Why I Finished My Apprenticeship & QUIT
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- I started building in 2004, it took me nearly 5 years to complete my apprenticeship! In this episode we go into why I left that company.
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I worked for a company for 13 years. Took very few sick days, worked hard & stayed current with all the new technologies & didn't get a pay rise for the last 6 years. I walked & started my own business. The first 12 months were scary & had me questioning my decision, but now things are sailing along nicely. The money & rewards are so much better than being an employee.
Just be aware, you still have a boss....every client is your boss, and you are accountable for absolutely everything, even the screw ups. Work hard and you WILL succeed.
you still have a boss : the state
My brother. That's why unions are important. The companies aren't going to care about you individually. The union contracts are what fight for and protect the workers. Contracts to guarantee raises, ensure breaks and overtime are upheld and not taken advantage of. I'm a union inside wireman electrician and i feel that union strength is for the people working hard to earn more of what they deserve and less chance of the companies taking advantage of you. Please dont give up brother.
Local union 617
K.J.Cocklin unions destroy businesses
@@hotdog160 always
@@nimbleco8202 I think you should look into the history of work in America. I dont know if you know this but the first jobs along time ago like mining and factory work were 7 days a week jobs. From sunrise to sunset. Everyday was wake up work sleep. Repeat. Unions are the only reason we have designated lunch breaks or weekends. Unless you're in favor of all jobs requiring you to have no life of your own. Just produce for the corporate big wigs.
I think you are misinformed. Unions are good. But it requires the members to stick together in order to make their voices heard. Can it become corruptive with the wrong leadership? Of course. Safeway is an example. They used to have a strong union that fought for better wages and conditions for its employees. Then they started making sacrifice after sacrifice and now you wouldn't be able to make a comfortable living working there. It's about the people
"You have to know the difference between being angry at your job and being ready to move on." 👍
An older wise man once told me to save up enough money to take 6 months off. He said once you do that you will stop giving a fuck about impressing your boss and working hard for no reason.
He was all about working a honest day for a honest wage. No more, no less.
Do you ?
Excellent advice. And sometimes they intersect eachother
@@carpentryfirst3048 This is very wise advice. He in America you get handed more work on if your employer knows you're in a tight spot. These tight spots are usually a purchase of a house or new car. If they know you need the money they hand you more work for little reward.
@@henri6595 here in Canada I see the opposite. It's the guys in a tight spot the board and companies have them like putty in their hand. You can't speak up at work when you are afraid to lose next week's pay.
I work in construction and safety is an issue. The guy who lives pay cheque to pay cheque doesn't ask questions. That person just does what they are told because they have no literal choice.
Thats where the expression "journeyman" comes from. In the old days, hundreds of years ago in the UK, when a stone mason finished his apprenticeship, he would go on his travels to learn more and different techniques of the trade, particularly travelling around Europe to pick up additional architectural skills and styles of building before returning to the UK. It became a phrase associated with all trade apprentices once they finished their respective apprenticeship they would branch out, move on and become a "journeyman". Respect from the UK
That's nice to know, thanks
That's some neat info. Thanks man.
@@Maghanashi No worries, this is how we all learn as a "Journeyman" in life by passing on the knowledge .. Regards ...
I thought it had to do with the fact that historically people had no choice but to travel for work. That's what a friend told me when I told him I wouldn't go more than an hour drive for work.
The 4-5+ hour commutes are no joke. Fuckin ruining my life.
Shame about brexiting the EU then. Will make journeying a bit harder.
"pass me that grinder and I'll break us out of here" 😂😂😂
Bahahahahahaha
Literally the show Prison Break Lol
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Tks, I was trying to understand that part. I played like five times and still wasn't understanding 😂😂😂
@@SauloSouz i feel that bro, i played that part for many times and still didnt know what is it mean, somebody need to help us bro😂
Never quit a job because there is someone you do not like. There will be someone you don’t like at the next job.
So true. When I quit my last job and became self employed, I went from having to deal with say 4 people to having to deal with all customers as well as all the possible ones. There is no true escape from dealing with others. Learn communication skills people are everywhere.
Well said
Absolutely true!
They are there to teach you something like humility, patience, tolerance, seeing the good in others, flexibility etc.
Some lessons are very difficult to digest.
You do need be aware of your own role in a situation but if there is a situation where you aren’t getting the opportunities you need or where the environment is negative you have a responsibility to yourself to move on. I don’t agree that you should never quit because you don’t like people, sometimes there are people who are genuinely toxic or negative and are not likeable for a reason. I agree that Learning to work with different people is important skill to learn but there are also limits.
Knowing your own value is one of the hardest things you will ever learn about yourself. Over estimating your value is one of the things most people (me included), sometimes fail to come to grips with.
I really enjoy watching your channel. More power to you.
TBH more people in the trades need to hear this. Spent way too long at a job that was going nowhere!
People in other fields could stand to hear it too tbh.
My apprenticeship began with historical restoration. I got lucky. 18 months perfect attendance. My protege was a freakin master of the trade. I’ll never know how he put up with my dumbass. 32 years later and still loving it.
Not a single day off for 18mnths.
Lies....🤣🤣. Nah shot bro that's a reliable soldier you'd love to have in the trenches right there.
Almost finished my apprentiship not one single day with a journeyman. Not one single job with another carpenter.
I feel ripped off. Just the way it goes where I am. Unless you wanna work for non union for half the wage, no benefits and no pension and less safety.
That was funny.
Ass kiss boy
@@carpentryfirst3048 how do I get started? What's the diff between union and not union?
Keep em coming Scott. Appreciate the vids mate. 👍
will be looking forward to the build! Thanks for taking us along!
Kia ora from South Auckland! Came across this channel on Wednesday and have now watched all your episodes. Excellently crafted videos you’ve got here bro, great to get a bit of insight into the building trade here in NZ. Very impressed with the quality of work both you and [Chef] Paerau do. Keep it up boys! Looking forward to the next episode!
Scotty I love the way you pulled the festools box and pulled a makita out
Best thing you did buddy to go on your own, I did the same thing can't complain some days are better then others but hey it's all part of the trade! Keep the good videos coming. Liked and Subscribed
Every video I watch of you, is like your journey is exactly like mine! I’m 33 from uk and look back at when I thought I knew it all, compared to now! The more you know, the more you realise you don’t know
You have a good attitude and seem to have good colleagues. Good things will keep coming because of it.
Always good to watch Scott.👍👍
Love your videos Scott, you should make them longer, 10 minutes plus. Always interesting and informative.
Thanks mate
Hey man just stumbled across your videos and you're story sounds quite familiar to mine. After 8 years of working for a framing and drywall company, getting severely underpaid, I started getting frustrated at work after so many years of loving the trades. I knew I needed a change, one night I came home frustrated from work and bought my master business licence. The next 2 weeks I lined up my liability insurance and WSIB insurance (I'm in Canada) and I haven't looked back!! Now I'm making a comfortable living and I enjoy my work so so much more. This video made me so happy, listening to your story made me remember how unhappy I was back then and how far I've come, thanks for that man. definitely subscribing and look forward to watching your future videos and the past ones as well. Much love all the way from The Great White North, eh!
Great, educational and entertaining videos. I’m a general contractor in Portland Oregon; it’s interesting to see how other builders do things in different countries.
Cool I'm in PDX too. Yeah they do some things quite differently down there.
Excellent mate, I appreciate your honesty and words of wisdom. I'm going to pass this video onto my daughter, who decided to go out on her own. I know she will appreciate your insight into this line of work. I believe we all need to find the path that works for ourselves, and it looks like you have found yours. I wish you the best my friend.
when i was sixteen i was accepted as an apprentice joiner in a shipyard, my friends father was my hero at the time as on any given weekend he and his partner would be in the garden laying out stringers for staircases or other construction joinery and i wanted to do the same, when i told him of my good fortune he just said, think carefully as you will always have the heaviest tool bag and the lightest pay packet, he of course was right, although i am rightly proud of my skills i know i could have made so much more money using my head instead of my hands.
Best comment Edward , I've been a C/J for 45yrs . I started out in the army as a apprentice dental technician , did 20 months and then had this mad idea to join my brother who was a apprentice C/J . My father was so disappointed and never let me forget it . He died 7 yrs ago but right up till the end every time i was out of work , he would say "i told you so.
I strongly encouraged my son not to go near construction , he is on his way to being a accountant.
Of course the work has taken me to Europe of and on for years and even Hong Kong for a year . But as you have realised its a Gypsy life hoping from one job to another , endlessly upgrading tools etc . When you see many other trades with a fraction of the gear we need , and earning more money , well i must agree , your uncle was spot on . All the best mate 👍👍👍👍🙌
That’s why am in college not doing an apprenticeship
brilliant video, thanks for your thoughts
I like the style of this video, it's satisfying to learn something about you and maybe learn some trick about how to do jobs at the same time.
Stoked for the *spolier alert* cedar letter box!
Come on bro im ready for your next episode! Your videos are great my man
Thanks for doing this! Maybe one day I will change my job (IT) to do what you're doing. It's amazing! Greetings from Romania! :)
Hay bro I now that feeling I used to weld pipelines in Ngawha springs anyway come'd across your channel yesterday and I'm loving it keep up the good work bro !!!
I started my union carpenters apprenticeship in NYC 1981 and I retired in 2021 and I'm loving every minute of it.
I’m at that stage where I no longer want to work in my current job as a steelworker! I’m glad I listened to this video because it good advice ! I’m looking on going back in to carpentry! In the mean time I’m getting my tools together so I can be prepared! That’s why I watched these videos to motivate me an also choose the right tools ! Pluss I yoused to work with a chippy an loved it ! Covid delayed my carpentry corse ! 😩
I’m doing the same kind of thing but I’m a joiner / shopfitter here in Australia, did my apprenticeship / worked in a few factory’s and did factory managers positions but now I’m running my own buisness and it’s working for me at the moment but still always good to take on new challenges to keep you excited for that next job.. love your work by the way and your vids :)
Great channel, great vid - subscribed. 👍👊
i have literally watched all your exitting episodes lol abd they are great, i have just taken the jump and gone self employed but still learning every day, i have not a qualification to my name but i am i very fast learner and deal with all manner of works in the uk , but i do like carpentry so take a great interest in your channel and advice and tips, for that i must say thank you. would love to work with you for a few days by the way lol. keep the channel going my friend, you keeping me inspired.
This is a random video that I clicked on.
That editing style is amazing. I love how you broke up the talking with contextualised clips. Very unique.
I worked in a couple of prisons here in Perth back when I did my apprenticeship and got approached to throw tennis balls filled with drugs on more than one occasion. Haha it must work. I can confirm that it was/is tedious getting in and out everyday with your tools getting checked.
This video actually helped, I’m doing a carpentry apprenticeship and I think I’ve just done too much of the same thing “need to move on to the next thing” not quit 😂
G’day mate, your channel is very enjoyable & honest, cheers for that 🔨🔨👍👍👍🎥
Great video Scott ,all the best from Scotland 👍👍👍
Cheers !
Huge missed opportunity for a clickbait title.
"Company I worked for sent me to PRISON!"
A clickbait title is just a sign that says the video will probably be nonsense/rambling stretched to 10 minutes for ads
Good video, good dude. Easy to see.
It took me 5 years as well through BCITO to finish my apprenticeship it was all correspondence which didn't help but finally got there moved to Aus wanted to get into civil for a change learnt heaps worked all over on gas plants etc lived in 3 states and the northern territory and now opperate heavy machinery loved the experience and I owe alot of it to my first boss who put me through my apprenticeship and gave me a crack in the first place I didn't realise at the time but he gave me the life skills and work ethic that set me on my course
How much are you being paid?
I'm 19 only started my journey or woodworking under a year ago. I work in interior door fitting, along with framing and architraving. I'm not amazing at it I have picked it up but more importantly in my books is that I can use tools efficiently such as mitre saws and table saws safely. I can hand doors... but I really would love to be a carpenter. Before the year is up I'm going to apply for a company called S.I.S.K its a 160 year old building company (in ireland - Btw carpentry apprenticeships are hard to land over here). I will have a years work experience in woodworking of sum sort I've put in frames and doors I've even cut doors and bought my own Dewalt tool kit (XR drill, jigsaw and skill saw). I really feel I am capable of doing this I just need to catch a break and show someone that I will work hard. In anyways long story short any advice from older chippies out there 😀
I have done the very same thing, I have had a few businesses, but I always came back to "working a job " I had a lot more to learn. And I did, I know that you know you never stop.
From the U.S.......thank you for these videos. I read my tape in imperial, you read your tape in metric....all good stuff around :)
Interesting! And nice Japanese saw!
I also have flat boxes of Kaizen foam up in my rafters!
Who the f#@k dislikes these videos ?? Haven't seen a bad episode yet ! Big fan mate, keep up the great work !!
dislike are from the guys in prison, should have lent them use the grinder bro....
Informative SBC😎
Love this channel @Scott Brown Carpentry . I left school in 1992 and tried to get a carpentry apprenticeship, I also went to Unitec for a year. In those days it was such a closed shop when it came to apprenticeships.I found some of the employers a bit dishonest, by thats just me , Remember this wasnt to long before leaky homes happened.I decided Carpentry wasnt for me BUT I love to watch clips like this, great effort on this channel , kind regards :)
Mean vids bro keep up with the good content
Hi Scott, I just want to say that I enjoy your videos, keep safe and well in these trying days, oh by the way I have been a Prison Officer here in Australia for the last fifteen years, the security measures are very much needed, I am ex Christcurch boy.
Oh geez LETTER box, I heard LITTER box. Sorry mate I'm from the states and have cats so the cards are stacked against me in this regard. love the channel and thank you for sharing all the advice and tips. I appreciate it.
Thinking about joining an apprenticeship im 22 and ive never done carpentry but i like working with my hands and i love seeing things come together at the end
It is an extremely rewarding process.
Hi there Scott i am an apprentice builder in Auckland, i just bought some roof racks for my old hiace, would be awesome if you could do a video on how to safely secure timber and whatever else with ratchet tie downs on roof racks as there is literally nothing on youtube about it
Cheers bro! absolutely love your channel so good to have relative info for us kiwis
How does one become an apprentice builder.? One can't become a builder over 4 years... Pure BS!
It takes yrs to be skilled( and understand other) tradesmen. An experenced can understand and carry out most trades.
Nice vid, mate!
i thought you said, "litter box" like a cat's litter box, lol. i'm glad you added followup video of the letter boxes! :D
My first thought when I heard litter box was: "hmm, I guess cedar is a decent choice for that." Followed by an image of a letter box: "oh yeah, that makes more sense."
Cat litter box? That's how I heard it 😂🤣
Same. I also heard litter box at first. Also, when he was building a deck, I heard Richard, initially.
@@egonmilanowski Richard? Dicking? Deck? Who knows 🤣
@@justgregnow You guys keep watching his channel, you'll be speaking Kiwis in no time!
@Beardio Pots and kettles you knob jockey.
@Beardio mate it seems you are struggling to understand what is happening here. These guys above are making jokes about the Kiwi accent being hard to understand. In return i told them that if they keep watching this channel they will learn to understand the kiwi accent, it was a joke and at no ones expense and both the guys in this comment got the joke. Also the comment i made on your thread wasnt nearly as harsh as you are making out. It was merely that you came on this video blaming all these different people for the situation you have found yourself in and it seems to me that you need to stop focusing on all of them and focus on what you can do to make your life what you want it to be. This guy makes these videos partly as a way to show people that they can put those people behind them and go out on their own to make their own way in the world. If you dont want people to make comments on your life on the internet then i can only recommend that you dont go on the internet talking about your life.
Just gone out on my own. Hoping to land my first job, priced it all myself. Fingers crossed. I’m from the uk 🇬🇧 I build plasterboard walls and suspended ceilings. Wanting to also get into carpentry
harry green where in uk are you based?
christian Coulson Essex
Best of luck mate
How you getting on lad
Good on ya bro!
Lov e the subtle humour
You’re right about when you say gotta know when you’re angry or when you need change, I was a bricklayer for 10 years and had enough of the bullshit and left my trowel on site never looked back
Bro, the end of last year I spent about 3 working in a psychiatric hospital just like what you where describing here in the uk, fitting tamper proof windows. First day I went in with my full kit, was told I had to count every screw and log every screw on the way out (what I used etc). I was from
The northeast and the job was south London. Never, again lol.
I finished my apprenticeship in1973 left the following week , always would have been the lunch and tea boy, i learnt more in the first 12 months than i ever could have at my old job, retired now and taking it easy
Building really is quite that kind of trade, one moment ur up, in a blink of a eye, ur down, I love it.
That’s called an elevator dummy
i love the mailbox twist
I can definitely relate to you on working somewhere for your apprenticeship, graduating to foreman and still being treated like an apprentice by the guy who taught you. Its really not fair because you paid your dues, a lot of people in the trades are undervalued, it feels good to be treated with the respect you deserve when you've paid your dues in this business, builders work hard, glad you got out of that prison.
I'm not in the trades but it's the same thing working your 1st job out of college. You have to jump ship to get promoted and earn more. Your 1st company will only see you as the new guy always.
I was there 6 months 2016. Ground not any better. They had to raise one of the buildings with huge jacks. Loved it there, but since starting family its changed a bit.
keep up the video man
Good on you buddy
With the experiance I picked up working during high school my college instructor told me to try a job halfway through class and challenge my first year. I picked up 1st and 2nd year before any of my classmates even started their apprenticeships. I then sat as a third year for six years as I didn't want to leave work to go to school. Finally I bit the bullet and went finished my first Red Seal. Within three years I had two more. Now that I was superqualified I hurt my back and had to change professions. Thats the problem with trades.
What trade is it?
Can't wait to see your letter box (Mail Box) ...
Union is the way to go. Great pay, full benefits and retirement. Just show up do my 8 and go home! Love it
Ray_Banz58
Don’t forget the politics
Chump Johnson
Very true
Ray_Banz58
Unions are awesome but filled with snakes. I left a company because of that. Guys were backstabbing and causing problems. I ended up moving to a different city and found a job through the union there and was a lot better.
It's detrimental to job site progress when workers think in shifts and cap their daily hours. Union work is extremely ineffecient when it comes to finishing jobs because of this reason.
I've been replacing windows for a little over a year now and I'm moving on to remodeling more of the stuff you do. Which is what I've been wanting to do since I got out of high school. I'm not in any apprenticeship program just learning hands on. But I'm definitely nervous making such a huge jump but I know it's the right move for me.
Hope it's turned out buddy... 👍
I went to apprenticeship for union carpenter and I was supposed to build a so-called small mini house and I didn't know it was supposed to take a week to do and I did it in two hours and they made me go sit in the break room the rest of the week
LOL
Right....
lmao.. you showed them guys up big time, that's funny as hell.
@@bluerune7305 it's a lie. He built a house in 2 hours right. Not even a garage or shed in 2 hrs lmao
Apprentices usually quit from the lack of respect and money. I did and so did many others I know.
The more experienced chippys you came up with will always see you as an apprentice.
I'm not in the trades but have heard this this frequently over the years. It's a legacy cultural issue, particularly in Australia. They had to go through the hazing and punishment, so you have to as well.
Total bullshit in my opinion. I can bet you it doesn't make better tradesmen, you don't teach people how to be good at the craft if they're being made to feel like shit. Thats not an environment thats conducive to learning.
@@teamtoken I agree. It’s an antiquated way of thinking. If the apprentice manages to make foreman it can give them a bad attitude towards new apprentices. I did mine with my father, big mistake.
I’ve been spoke to like shit my whole apprenriship and been so scared to say anything or quit or even ask for a day off I’m so lost I just want to learn but I’m scared to fucking touch or do anything because he just has a go at me I’m so lost
@@slimeslime2123
If it’s what you really want to do stick it out; it’s good for character. Learn as much as you can and keep your head down.
They will miss you when you leave. But don’t tell anyone that’s what you plan to do. That’s the kick in the bollocks for THEM.
Remember, your hard work and character will make it easy to find another better job.
Finish it, it’s important. Your success is their loss.
@@slimeslime2123
Just keep your head down and finish your apprenticeship. Get a better job. Your success is their loss.
Good luck.
I don't know how it came to be that I was presented with your videos since it has nothing in common with my interests, but I enjoy it, since it's pretty chill :)
Cheers man 👍
Just a note; do you always do drywall that way? I was taught never to have a seam over a void. Always run drywall seams over a stud or fire break.
You da man scotty!
I do find it interesting that they made the sinking prison bigger
I guess they pushed the planners that hand brains into the sinkholes before they attempted to fill them up and build right on top of them
In the U.S. we call that garage area of a jail or prison the "Sally port."
Hi Scott, I worked in Holloway Prison in London. It was a woman’s prison, same thing, count everything in and everything out. Couldn’t put up with that for too long. I won’t come to NZ to work as it sounds exactly the same.
was that an acer pencil being used there? interesting video keep em coming 👍👍
Pica pencil
Music in these vids is dope
Wow! Maybe you'll be onto two story letter boxes soon. 😜
I hope you contracted a QS for that letterbox, you wouldn't want to calculate a job like that wrong lol...but seriously, alot of guys have probably been in the same situation as yourself but haven't felt they can make the change. Some similarities in this as to why I left my job of 10 years and went out on my own. Haven't looked back.
Hold my beer gotta level this sheet of dry wall real quick
I am glad i found this channel. For a carpenter, you have pretty damn good video editing and comp skills.
Mean vid, Sick
Great advice bro, “doing a job for too long and you need a change”
“Jumping in the deep end”
My dream is to be a carpenter.... I’m stuck at job that I’ve been doing the same thing for too long!!
I’ve done my apprenticeship and no one will employ me!
Thanks, Best of luck bro
How are you doing know?
5 years? G thats long as! though i did mine after having many years of experience first and then BCITO only took 2 years. I think sometimes not having the pressure on you at the beginning of your building career can really help you learn
its carpentry , its not something you learn in 1 2 years
Scott brown is pretty much the Casey Neistat of builders.
Big fan of your work Scott.
As it turned out, the letterbox was quite interesting, but I hadn't seen this video first. Had no idea what kind of letterbox it would be.
When you get start your drywall apprenticeship make sure you learn it’s easier to lay drywall horizontally
Best to do the drywall joints on the studs or dwangs? I'm an engineer/electrician but isn't that bad practice? This guy sounds like he moans alot not kiwi like at all...I suppose he is from Auckland so not a kiwi at all
Was totally puzzled by the idea you were building a litter box till I saw the letter boxes. lol.
Be thankful that building in NZ is busy and there’s a shortage of labour.... been in the game for 40 ish yrs and when there’s a downturn in economy.....building is tough
Im a foreign language English tutor, just finished a degree.. now after watching your videos I want to go into joinery and carpentry
I would stick with what you’re doing man, unless you want to put up with a bunch b/s. I am carpenter but honestly I wouldn’t do it again, too much b/s to navigate. More often than not, especially in unions, guys who are good at kissing ass and hob nobbing generally get all the work. I know plenty of excellent carpenters who are not as “people savvy” that often have to resort to lower paying non union jobs. Construction is full of desperate and afraid people that will do whatever it takes to keep their job, even if it means throwing others under the bus.
wattaya got there bro. Just a bitta Jib bro.
Every time I quit a job in my career, I made sure I upgraded my position. Truth be told, once you are in, you always get thrown into the lions den and have to fake it until you make it. I made it to the top but opted out of corporate, still can't say if that was good or bad, it's never too late though.
Journeyman: Late Middle English and the French "jour" or "day": from journey (in the obsolete sense ‘day's work’) + man; so named because the journeyman was no longer bound by indentures but was paid by the day.
Why did you split the sheetrock, instead of moving the first one over to the left all the way, and then placing the second one to the right? Why add more steps by cutting and making more seams?
Not exactly on topic, but in California we have to "global block" all drywall. Apparently not so in NZ.
Exterior walls are usually insulated with glass wool. Don't worry about interior walls