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Sea to Summit Ether Light XT Review (vs NeoAir Xlite)
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- In this video, I go over the specs of the Sea to Summit Ether Light XT and compare it to the Therm-a-rest NeoAir X-lite and Sea to Summit Ultralight Insulated. I cover the size, weight, durability, comfort, and noise. I also take a quick look at the differences between the men's and women's pads.
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I did spend a night sleeping on the Ether Light XT to give you an idea of how comfortable it is!
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Hi mate, I just wanted to say I've watched lots of your videos and being from Australia I really appreciate how you use metric measurements. Thanks for all the great videos
Cheers from Australia
Thanks for the great feedback! 60% of my viewers are American and still behind the times, so I try to provide both metric and imperial measurements But my brain definitely works in metric.
Where are you from again?
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Best review on youtube! Keep the work going!
Haha, thanks!
A very thorough and helpful comparison - thanks! :-) I own the Xlite and the Sea to Summit Ultralight insulated. The Xlite is great for size and weight, but I dislike the "side-slide" of it, and especially the slow deflating with the screw valve, which forces one to squeeze the air out every morning. Also dislike the sound of it. So I went to the Sea to Summit Ultralight insulated. Great filling and deflating with the dual valve, also very light and compact, not noisy, no side-slide...but for a side sleeper like me (with broad shoulders), I definitely dislike touching the ground when I move around, and although I have narrow hips, my hip-bones also bottom out when moving around from side to side. It simply wasn't thick enough. Enter the Sea to Summit Etherlight XT insulated - tada! I had just ordered it before watching your video, and your video confirms I made the right choice. I'm totally willing to take the penalty in terms of weight for the necessary shoulder-dip and hip-dip comfort and added warmth. This is surely going to be my dream mat. :-) That said, I never go out into the backcountry with an inflatable mat and no back-up. I take the very light Kanchen Junga (a simple foam mat) along, strapped to the top of my pack for breaks and as an added protective layer under my inflatable mat at night, or for cooking or kneeling or lounging in my vestibule or outside my tent. That way, if the inflatable ever fails far away from civilization, I can at least survive on the foam mat. Once had an Exped ultralight mat die on me in the backcountry, and that made for a very miserable (and very short!) trip. Just mentioning it for those who might be trusting their inflatables too much for comfort (literally). They can and do fail, even if you're ultra-careful. The very slight extra weight penalty of the Kanchen Junga (which can even be cut down in length or width if you only want it as a torso pad for emergenices) also provides lots of added versatility. I even use it for doing yoga on out in the field. Not the best pad for that, but it works. Wouldn't be caught dead trying to do yoga on my inflatable. ;-)
Sounds like you and I went through pretty much the exact same evolution of sleeping pads! haha. I think you'll like the Ether Light XT. Since I got mine, several friends and family have also picked it up and all of them love how comfortable the pad is. I'm wary of a pad failing in the backcountry as well but don't bring an extra foam mat very often. I've had pretty good luck with S2S pads so far. The only pad that's failed me, like you, was an exped. I'll have to take a look at the Kanchen Junga though!
Justin Outdoors Yeah, that‘s kinda funny. Similar pad-finding histories. :-) Thanks for the further rec on the Ether Light XT. It‘s arriving on July 3 or so, and I can‘t wait to give it a spin. Glad to hear you trust the in the durability of S2S pads. The higher-denier fabric does auger well, but the extra 149 grams (actual weight of my Kanchen Junga, with official weight being 160g if not cut down to size, see here: www.amazon.de/Relags-Expeditionsmatte-Kanchen-Junga-Isomatte/dp/B007ZZWM2M) is well worth it to me. It‘s not comfortable, but a survival measure. When you‘re out in, say, the Dovrefell mountains of central Norway for 5 days without any city close by, and a couple of days needed to walk out again, you don‘t want to be taking chances on durability, especially because it can suddenly turn cold there (like when I was there in September and temps dropped to freezing and a bit below, with horizontal blasts of snow and lots of rain). Once had to sleep on the cold, hard ground, with only my backpack and some clothes piled up under me. Nasty.
That sounds like an intense September! Definitely good to have contingencies in those scenarios!
how did you like the Ether Light XT compared to the Sea to Summit Ultralight Insulated? Is it a lot better/more comfortable?
Steadily going through your videos: they're great for so many reasons. Thank you for all your hard work.
Really appreciate it! Such a nice comment to see!
Another great informative review. The R value on the xlite is 4.2 which higher than the s to s. The pump sac on the s to s can be a game changer. The R value on the Uberlite is 2.3.
The Neoairs definitely have the best warmth to weight ratio. I do love that S2S pump sack.
This is really helpful, thank you! You got me closer to making a decision now. Maybe a couple more reviews to watch 😅 but leaning towards going for it. All the best! Mari
You may look at the Nemo tensor alpine as well it’s a great pad I’m a bigger guy and love it
This channel is definitely going places two thumbs up
Thanks! That's the plan! I've got some bear stuff planned for 2020!
Great video! Just what I needed! I was standing in between the NeoAir X-Lite and the Ether Light XT, and this video was truly helpful. Thanks!
Cheers from Norway
Your review was pretty informative. Good Job! I look forward to seeing more.
Thanks! I have a list of ~50 videos I'd like to make with more ideas popping into my head every day! Anything in particular you'd like to see a video on?
I have a trip video coming out this Friday. First time I've shot a trip before, so hoping people like it!
I see you have a lot a gear related videos but it would be nice to also see hiking and backpacking vids too with some of the things that you implemented.
I’ve been shopping for a sleeping pad and I was wondering how this pad stacked up against the Xlite, because so many people insist the Xlite is the end all be all of sleeping pads. Hearing it is quieter and thicker is great news, as I am a side sleeper that tends to roll around. Thanks for making such a thorough review!
I’m a side sleeper too and I have yet to find a pad I sleep on and don’t wake up with a sore hip. I think I might give that sea to summit a try.
Just had the opportunity to try the NeoAir and the EtherLight Large side by side for an hour or so in a local store. I came to pretty much the same conclusions.
I found the NeoAir unbearably noisy, and the edges really do collapse, making it functionally considerably narrower than you'd think from the dimensions. It felt quite unstable, and with its old-fashioned valve it's quite difficult to inflate and deflate.Plus it's not really warm enough for 3.5 season use. This would be a difficult pad to love.
The EtherLight was very much quieter - the video doesn't really do justice to just how big the difference is in practice. And I was very impressed how stable it felt right up to the edge - the best of any pad I've tried over the years. It felt stable and cushy to lie on, with no bottoming out at the hip. I also liked the design of the valve - it seems more robust than the Exped valve, and you even get a spare flap in the repair kit. The only thing I didn't like was the plastic feel of the fabric, but S2S say it helps keep the welds reliable, so probably the right tradeoff. We weighed the pad and it was on spec, so maybe the overweight pads were an early production issue.
Something you didn't mention was the pillow attachment that works with the S2S Aeros. It was much more impressive than I expected. A couple of the staff at the store have bought this pad, and say that the pillow really does stay in place all night long. This is a nice bonus, and the Aeros seems pretty comfy.
For me, the only thing going for the NeoAir is the lower weight and pack volume. As I mentioned in another post, S2S are claiming that they use a much more reliable weld system, and you're getting more insulation (significantly more if you buy the women's version), a much more durable fabric, a much quieter and more comfortable sleep, easier inflation and deflation, a decent pump bag, and an innovative pillow attachment system. The extra weight amounts to a few sips of water, and I think for most users the S2S will be by far the better option.
Nice to hear your experience was similar with the pad! The weight of the xlite keeps me looking at it but then as soon as I lay on it, I immediately want the ether light back. I think the edge support is one of the biggest shining stars for this pad.
S2S pillows don't work for me unfortunately, which is why I forgot to get into the pillow lock system. I can see it being a big benefit through. No one likes a slidy pillow! I wish the system was compatible with other pillows.
Excellent, thank you. Bought Neoair a while back, used it once and sent it back because of the noise. Just woke me up everytime I moved in the night. Looking for a replacement for my Klymit pad and think Ether Light XT might be it.
Great video, Justin. Very helpful! Particularly the noise comparison.
Great review. I have a Thermarest Neo Air and the boyfriend have the Sea to Summit ultra light and we were going through all the points you raised. Ease of use and comfort goes to StS but Thermarest wins on all the stats
Both great mats but I have now sold my Thermarest for a StS purely because the type of activities I do don't require the best stats so I can take extra weight and bulk
It's all about those priorities! You're 100% right that both are great mats, they just have different strengths.
:-) smashed! This is,to me a perfect review/comparison*Thank you for sharing
Really appreciate all your positive feedback! It's awesome!
@@JustinOutdoors your very welcome Justin Outdoors*I :-) There really is nothing you could improve on,in what you do :-) Thanks so much for sharing*
thanks for a great review - As a side sleeper I ended up buying the woman's Large for the higher R value now that they've all come down. My previous mats have been the S2S Comfort Light Insulated, and before that the NeoAir Xtherm. The Ether is lighter than the former and more comfortable than the latter.
I have an xtherm as well and the S2S pads are definitely more comfortable. I find myself waking up in the middle of the night much less with the Ether Light.
Awesome review !!!!! Loved the side by side detailed comparisons you made . Looking for a new pad
Glad you enjoyed it! I'll be doing another one in the coming months where I also take a look at the Nemo Tensor Insulated!
It’s nice to see someone actually comparing the xlite to a sea to summit, I’d really like to see a video comparing the sea to summit comfort plus compared to the neoair xlite. Yet to find those 2 compared and those are the 2 I’m struggling to choose between, the downfall is I’m yet to of found a shop I can actually go to to try out the comfort plus
Did you know Sea to Summit released a new version of the comfort plus this year? The "XT" version. Is that the one you're looking at, or the old model? Both are at least twice as heavy at the Xlite, which puts them in a completely different category of pad in my opinion. I can pretty much assure you that both versions of the comfort plus (I have tried out the old model) will be more comfortable for most people when compared to the Xlite. You will get a lot of the benefits that I outline in the Ether Light XT video when using the comfort plus. The comfort plus pads have an R-value of 5, so they are very warm and would be great for winter camping. I think the Ether Light XT is more comfortable than the older comfort plus model while the newer comfort plus XT may be slightly more comfortable than the Ether Light XT (but probably not by much!).
If you're looking for the higher r-value, the comfort plus XT would be the way to go. If you are more concerned with weight than r-value, then I'd go with the Ether Light XT. If weight is your biggest concern, then the Xlite would be the pad for you!
Very helpful review and comparison. Thanks!
from the Sea to Summit website (currently)
Ether Light XT Insulated (large) = 625 grams (30 grams more than what you measured), 3.8 R
Ether Light XT Insulated (regular) = 480 grams, 3.8 R
Ether Light XT (non-insulated, large) = 500 grams, 0.8 R
Ether Light XT (non-insulated, regular) = 390 grams, 0.8 R
Interesting they released the updated #s for the pads. I had a chat with S2S about this and it sounded like it was going to be closer to 590-600g. I'm going to be releasing an update video for the pad as there are a bunch of things I have discovered about the pad using it for the last 3 months - part of that will be talking about weight.
Interesting to see this... now looking at the website and seeing:
Ether Light XT Insulated (large) = 560 grams, 3.8 R
Ether Light XT Insulated (regular) = 425 grams, 3.8 R
Ether Light XT (non-insulated, large) = 465 grams, 0.8 R
Ether Light XT (non-insulated, regular) = 350 grams, 0.8 R
These seem less accurate than what you listed, as if they went back after correcting their weights.
I bought the Rectangular Large, which they list as 615g and I weighed as 668g. A full 53g (1.87oz) more than advertised.
For those interested my stuff sack / pump bag weighs in at 60g (2.12oz).
I love the pad... but the over spec weight certainly makes me question if it's worth it compared to something like the Nemo Tensor Insulated (595g) or Big Agnes Q-Core SLX (635g).
Nice review. I like that pad. I have the x-lite. I may have to try this one. Thanks for the information ✌️
Can't beat the Xlite's warmth to weight ratio, but the Ether Light is just so comfy.
FYI the reason that thermarest uses the older style valve is because you can adjust the firmness of the pad while laying on it. Just let out a little bit of air until it's perfect.
The newer valves like on the Sea to Summit and Nemo pads also allow for air to be let out slowly for adjusting firmess. Thermarest is updating their valves for 2020 - I'm looking forward to seeing how they stack up!
Yeah I've noticed that with the Sea to Summit you can touch the gasket (I think that's what it is) to let out some air. With some of the newer style (but not too new) valves you had to super quickly open and close them to adjust
"I guess that is why Im single" ;) haha - cracked me up :)
This is exactly the pad I have (sea to summit one). Bought it from the garage sale section at REI. It doesn’t deflate but by the end of an 8-9 hour night it’s not nearly as firm. Gotta see what sea to summit says. That pump sack is friggin awesome btw!!
Did yours deflate by any noticeable amount, incidentally?
Nope, mine hasn't deflated at all ever!
Nice video review! I've been pretty happy with my Xlite, but you make me really want to try the S2S pad now.
The Xlite is a great pad and there's a reason it's one of the most popular pads out there. But the comfort of the Ether Light XT is just so nice. I don't think I can go back.
The industry adopted a new r-value system since this video was released. So the values are different now (but more consistent overall). This video explains it all! czcams.com/video/NQ8omUXhzlw/video.html
Hey Justin! Good comparison. Just want to add an information. I have the Thermarest and after several trips it’s become much more silent and with the mattres I purchased a separate Thermarest pump sack that can double as a pack liner and triple as a seat...
The xlite I used in the video had been on a couple of dozens of trips and was still comparatively noisy! It was also less than a year old. I think some people are a bit more sensitive to it than others. I personally don't really notice the nice too much but know people who lose their minds.
The benefits of the higher denier fabric goes beyond puncture resistance. They claim it enables them to use a much more reliable welding system, to the point that delamination is unknown with this pad. I've had issues with delamination on 20d pads from other manufacturers. So you should be getting more reliability in return for the extra grams.
Hopefully! More reliability is a huge plus for a pad this expensive and at this weight. The dot weld system they are using in the Ether Light pads is new for S2S and hopefully holds up to wear and tear. Which other pads did you get delamination on?
@@JustinOutdoors I've been an Exped fanboy for years, but the issues have been adding up and I've lost trust in them.
This is the S2S marketing copy on their lamination system. They claim they have yet to see any delamination:
Extrusion TPU Lamination
Our TPU coating is applied through a process unique to the medical and aeronautical industries. Extrusion lamination is more durable, consistent and enables us to use our own TPU recipe. It is vastly superior to roll-to-roll lamination, which is used in all other outdoor products at present and can suffer from delamination issues.
We have also introduced an anti-microbial treatment into the TPU to prevent mould or fungal growth inside the mattress. While we do have two superb pump options, the Air stream or Jet stream, the anti-microbial treatment means you can go ultra-light and inflate with your breath.
I haven't had issues with a S2S delaminating yet, I guess that's why! I am a little wary of the new dot welds in the Ether Light XT line though. They haven't implemented the welding in this way before. Fingers crossed because it's so comfy.
@@JustinOutdoors Well, my shortlist is the Ether vs the 2019 Nemo Tensor, which is reportedly much better than previous versions. They both offer Regular Rectangular Wide as well, which is my ideal shape and have great reviews for comfort.
The Tensor is lighter and probably a tad more comfortable with its smoother surface but its only 20D, and S2S claim that the reason they are using the 30/40 weave is that it's the lightest fabric that will take a reliable weld. Given that the high-end pad market is populated by gram-weenies I have a nasty feeling that manufacturers are knowingly using fabrics that are too light to be reliable because they know that low weight drives sales. Their thinking may be that most people will only have it out a few days a year, so most of the time they will get away with it. But for thru-hiking, it feels like a risk.
I like that S2S talk openly about reliability and how that drove their design choices. And given that they are making such big claims about delamination being unknown, at the very least you'd hope that they would replace for free if it did occur. It would be a PR disaster for them if the new spot welds were unreliable, so here's hoping they've got it right.
As for the new 15D Neoair Uberlight, goodness knows how that will last. They aren't claiming any breakthrough technology, and I suspect there's a reason why no-one has used 15D before. Time will tell.
Interestingly, I've noticed that Outdoor Gear Lab have just given the Women's version their Editor's Choice award, knocking the XLite Women's off top spot. They say that the extra comfort and reliability are worth the additional weight for most. They haven't reviewed the men's version yet.
www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/sleeping-pad-womens/sea-to-summit-ether-light-xt-insulated-womens
@@tullochgorum6323 Same here. Left Exped a while back due to 2 different pads failing on me. The second one was an ultralite that I had hardly ever used, and with which I was very, very careful. I think the valve had a leak. They wanted so much for the checking and repair that it made more sense to go to a new pad, which I did. (For my experience with the Xlite and with the Sea to Summit Ultralight insulated as Exped alternatives, see my separate comment under the video.)
I went in to my local MEC looking for an etherlite xt, but they had none. I went with the xlite from thermarest and it's not nearly as noisy as these youtube reviews say, maybe there's a new version because mine doesn't make much of a crunch at all? As a side sleeper I was super comfortable on the xlite compared to my old pad so I was happy, still like the baffles and the edge support of the etherlite xt, not that I felt like I was gonna fall off the xlite or anything, just the idea of it I guess
Would be great to see a side by side with the Nemo tensor
In the works ;)
I returned about 6 S2S pads because they were ALL 15% heavier than advertised. They have a problem
This is the first S2S pad where I've had the weight problem. They had changed the weight to 590g on their website about mid-summer but it looks like it's back at 560g. Strange.
Hi Justin - Thanks for this superb/thorough review & supply of quality information! I purchased an Insulated Ether Light XT in large part as a result of it & am very pleased with the comfort it provides - and am happy to carry a little extra weight for the extra comfort (sleep quality). I've used it with a quilt down to 0ºC in late summer. Have you used it in any temps below zero on cold (mid-fall) ground in the Rockies? I'm thinking with it's revised R3.2 rating that a closed cell foam pad might be necessary to stay warm at -5ºC on colder, hard-packed ground. Or, maybe just use my less cushy X-Therm.
I used it on pretty cold spring ground in the Rockies. There were a couple of days where I felt a chill through it, a -6C day in mid-May (still patches of snow on the ground) and and a -4C day where I camped next to a glacier fed lake where the water table was maybe 1-2ft below my tent. The couple below freezing nights I had on it in the fall weren't a problem!
I'm going to be picking up an Xtherm for the April to June trips for sure. And some early July depending on location. And winter obviously. haha
Thanks. Thorough and helpful review.
Glad it was helpful!
HEADS-UP! this year they'll introduce Ether light - EXTREME - which is 6.3 R-Value in TX - woman version.
here if you want to see it. czcams.com/video/ALk2UI8gvsI/video.html
Thanks for the heads up! That looks super interesting! I'm going to contact S2S and see if I can get a hold of one!
Omg! Totally want that xt extreme!
I’ve tried both the Ether Light XT and XLite. Couple of my observations...the Ether Light is one of the most comfortable pads I’ve ever laid on, but also the coldest. I did like the valve on the Ether Light, but hated the stuff sack/pump sack. (As an aside I’ve discovered the Flextail Gear Mini Pump and that’s been a game changer. No more huffin and puffin. At 3 oz it’s only 1 oz more than an Exped Schnoozle! Plus have you ever tried to use a pump sack inside a tent?). The R value of the new XLites with the wing valve is 4.2 so it theoretically loses heat slower than the Ether Light. The crinkly sounds quickly diminished (not gone entirely but quite tolerable) with my XLite. Bottom line I returned the Ether Lite and kept the XLite.
If I am going ultralight or just need a warmer pad, I will often go for the xlite. When on an ultralight trip I don't bring a stuff sack or inflation bag for the xlite though. When I am on a more comfort-oriented trip, it's 100% the ether light xt for me - the thing is just way to comfortable! I'll bring a foam pad to put under it or bring the extreme-version if I am worried about cold :)
Oh man! I’ve heard of Xlites being noisy but never imagined it’d be that bad!
I’ve been known to sleep with a fan in my window blowing -30c air into my room to temperature test my sleep systems ... guess my relationship status too 🤣
They do quite down a bit. But even after a couple years, the one's I've heard are still louder than any klymit, S2S, or Exped pad right out of the box. I'm hoping you'll have a follow up video to your winter camping video at Upper Kananaskis Lake where you talk about the pre-trip testing a bit more. haha. I feel like cold anxiety is a big fear for a lot of people when approaching winter camping. Maybe you could help dispel some of the fears!
Justin Outdoors I’m about 3-5 months behind in seasons/editing haha. Funny you should mention it though I’m just uploading my sleep system breakdown as we speak.
I have three other “prep” videos that may come out in the year. I definitely will be focusing on putting some winter specific content out next year to get people out!
Sounds like a normal Norwegian bedroom concept - here, they all want it at least -30 C in their bedrooms. besides, sleeping together is so overrated. anyhow, for relationship status, put Norway on the list.
The first night I slept next to someone using a neoair I thought there was some weird shit going on in the woods and jolted awake until I realized what it was
Great video! Preferring s2s / woman vs xlite, because of the noise, the 10 cm, nylon 30/40, I will opt for xlite. If s2s lies in weight, it can also lie in r-value and nylon. I was also going to buy an s2s bag. After watching your video, they lose two sales. Thanks for your job!
S2S did adjust their weight values once they became aware of the issue but they definitely got a black eye from it.
Right now I am looking at the web seatosummit.com. The weights are correct, but in seatosummit.es they are wrong, together with the r-values .es = 3.8, 4.2 .com = 3.3 - 3.5.
Really nice! Super informative.
Thanks Ollie :)
Awesome review and pad.... Sadly I just got my new pad which I like but if anything happens, this could be the next one. I got the very good (too) ...Thermarest Uberlite pad. (bit less thick) but way lighter. Sack is a good idea to reduce mold indeed. Thanks for sharing
The uberlite is definitely a lighter pad. Unfortunately, it's too cold for me out here - otherwise I'd be considering it for sure.
@@JustinOutdoors yea its for summer camping... for sure :)
I have just received Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated (S size) and its quite noisy (its also slightly on the heavier side). Tempted to go for Etherlight XT, but the latter does have smaller R value (not that I am doing a lot of expeditions in the Arctic in the future). Further, the Comfort Plus has two horizontal compartments - so the blowing up is less simple, but the mat might be more resilient, as there is a backup if its punctured.
Btw, for the mould test, its often enough to place the mat against a strong light (or even sunlight). If you do see any potential signs of something growing inside, you should really considering discarding the mat or airing it with electric pump (maybe even adding some hair drier - but be careful of what the mat tolerates), but you should never inhale the air from this mat, so best to run and buy an inflating bag.
I'd like to get my hands on a comfort plus XT to take a look at it. It's too heavy for me for backpacking but might be good for some people for canoe or car camping.
@@JustinOutdoors remember any hands on it cause crackling noise. ;) Allegedly tolerable (I am still deciding on it). I personally like a good night sleep so much that I would probably carry a heavier mat just to be comfortable. that being said, this mat was purchased for kayaking. you dont need to go lightweight here, but it really helps if the mat rolls as thin as possible to be able to store it (in an additional dry bag) in one of the ends of the kayak. that storage place usually remains unused (apart from tent poles residing in one of them).
I have prevoiusly used older Exped Down (7 I think?) and its enormous, but you sleep better than at home and are never cold (I thik it also has R around 5). Cannot be pushed into far end of the kayak. The worst with this mat is that it takes for ever to blow up with integrated pump. It takes about half an hour - something you really want to be doing once you land and are tired. I am not sure the comfort this mat provides is worth the time investment, but Exped has now some other solutions for blowing up - maybe someone said something, hahaha. The dirty secret of Exped Down is that it has a chair system that makes this mat into a sofa, quite like the one in front of your tv at home. But then you just feel so guilty sitting in it. ;) There you are, in the nature, watching from a sofa. Of course, the chair system is again a bulky thing to bring along. But kayaks pack a lot, if you want them to, hahaha.
I’ve had the comfort plus for a year now and it’s the most comfortable pad I’ve had. I don’t mind the extra weight.
what about Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xtherm Sleeping Pad ???? vs Sea to Summit Ether Light XT?
I have an xtherm and will likely be doing an xtherm/xlite comparison to the ether light and tensor!
Justin Outdoors everyone wants to know what’s better this or the xtherm for comfort
Thanks for the great review.
I have the Xlite and it was really noisy. It was OK for me but my companions complained about it everytime....
It looks like Ether light is a good choice for casual camping with larger tents.
With my new lanshan1, a foam pad might be a better choice.
No problem! Being 6ft2, you might have troubles with the Ether Light XT, you're right. Something lower, even like the Sea to Summit Ultralight Insulated, would be good.
Just got my EtherLight and spent a night on it - best night‘s sleep ever on a sleeping mat that doesn‘t weigh in like a brick. In the Regular size, it‘s about 535 g (my scale), and I‘m totally willing to haul that for the heavenly side-sleeper‘s rest it gives me with warmth and no bottoming out. Vastly prefer it to the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite (loud, time-consuming to deflate, tend to roll off the side a bit).or the thinner Sea to Summit UL mat (same great design as the EtherLIght, but I bottom out on my side, especially when not lying exceedingly calmly, so that means bottoming out every time I change sides (often). And it‘s noticeably colder than the EtherLight.
I think the inflation bag is super under rated! Makes inflation a breeze. Something interesting I've heard is that s2s is updating their official weights and r-values. I've emailed them for more info and hopefully will have something to pass along shortly. I've found the pad to be a bit colder than advertised so I'm curious to see where the r-value ends up.
Justin Outdoors Cool that you‘re in touch with S2S. That‘ll be interesting! It‘s only warmer (subjectively) than the thinner UL S2S. Subjectively, I‘d say my Xlite is even a tad warmer than the EtherLight. The Xlite feels more „reflective“ with my body heat, even the moment I lie down on it. But that might also have to do with the much greater volume of air in the EtherLight, such that it would take longer for that amount of air to heat up. Will have to see how warm it is in the field. But at least it‘s going to be a heck of a lot better than the UL in the standard thickness. As for the inflation bag, it‘s brilliant! It stay securely on the valve and there‘s no fuss attaching it. Works like a charm...and that‘s a huge advantage over the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite, which most folks just blew up with their lungs, meaning Mold City. I‘m in sleeping mat heaven now. :-)
I'm a bit confused... are you reviewing the insulated version? The R-value of the non-insulated seems to be 1.2....
Correct, it is the insulated version (but I also reference pre-ASTM standard r-values in the video).
The R value of my etherlite is 0.8! And ridiculously noisy...but very very comfortable. Coupled it with an ultra thin foam mattress on top (78g)!and it’s fine...but still noisy!!
Nice video. I have not seen anyone inflate an insulated air pad with their lung power in a decade or more. You caught me off guard with that one.
Do you see most people use a pump sack? haha
Justin, I wish you would have included the Thermarest Uberlite but very informative video thanks for sharing. 👍
The Uberlite is in a class of it's own for lightness! Unfortunately for where I live, the Uberlite doesn't have enough r-value to keep me warm at night. It will usually be around freezing at night. If I ever move to somewhere warmer, the Uberlite will be on my list of pads to try out!
The uberlite would have been apples to oranges
If it is Mens large insulated, it is stated on their website as 625g.
The numbers have changed a bit since I got the pad in 2019.
Sea to Summit Ether Light XT insulated is 3.2 R value, according to their website. Maybe they changed it since this review?
This review happened before implementation of the new ASTM standard.
This video is super helpful, thank you! I saw a lot of reviews about noise, but it's nice to get the direct comparison. IMO the Therm-a-rest is a bit too much. I was looking into getting the Comfort Light. It's a bit thicker than the Ultra Light (all women's versions), has a higher R Value, and doesn't weigh that much more in the smaller size. The Ultra light only comes in one size. It seems like a good middle ground. The Ether Light is great, but it's just a bit more than I want to spend. The Comfort Light is older and being sold at clearance.
If you have the Comfort Light or have experienced it, how do you think they compare?
It is an expensive pad. I haven't had the opportunity to try the Comfort Light unfortunately
Oops. The older on sale (classic valve ie not as good) has a R value of 3.2.
The warmth of the older version xlite is the same as the newer version, the odler version is advertised with old r-values while the new version is advertised with r-valeus determined by the new ASTM standard. Here's a video on the ASTM standard - czcams.com/video/NQ8omUXhzlw/video.html
Justin Outdoors Oh, that’s interesting. Is the s to s R old R values or new. In other words, which has a higher R value?
@@barondavis5692 the r values on the s2s website right now are new r values. Xlite has a higher rvalue
Great review man ! Thanks
You betcha!
Hey Justin, thanks for the review and the info on how to use the mat, saves me a bit of time as I just bought one here in Sweden. A couple of points for your information. The matt in Sweden in regular size seems to be unisex, maybe this was new for 2020, I dunno! Also the regular is advertised at 425gm, I weighed it in at 485gm. I mean, we can get pedantic about these details forever but if I advertise a pizza as Salami and cheese, I don't expect a vegan pizza. It's easy to lie but it is also easier to just tell the truth. Whatever, anyway thanks for the video. Good luck with your channel amigo. x
I'm not sure if the EU site has older models, but there is definitely still a male and female pad out there! They have also updated their specs to be more on the conservative side (heavier than what I weighed mine in at)!
You forgot to mention the antimicrobial treatment to the inside of the sleeping pad to prevent bacteria growth but otherwise the best review on CZcams! 😊
Thanks! I have a follow up video coming out in a little bit! Definitely some things I missed and want to explain more, with the anti-microbial treatment being one of them!
you imply that the sts ether light xt is warmer than than the neoair xlite, which is very wrong
I state the r-values that both companies advertised at the time of filming this video 3 years ago. A new standard has come out and both companies have updated their r-values. I have also done a more detailed comparison in this video: czcams.com/video/XuzJzhMg48E/video.html
Do you find the Ether Light XT a lot more comfortable than the Ultralight Insulated (orange)?
I just got the Ultralight and I find it really comfy but I'm not sure if I can use it without a thin pad underneath it.
Yes!
Great review. But if they don't even get the weight right, I wonder to what degree the R-value can be trusted. 🤔
The r-value on their site is now based on using the 2020 ASTM Standard for testing, so pretty accurate!
awesome review! The womens version looks good to me
Hey Peter! Thanks! The women's version is definitely great and you get that boosted r-value. I ended up going with the men's large only because I sleep on my stomach sometimes and the large feels more comfortable to me in that position.
@@JustinOutdoors I wondered why you went for the large size, front sleeper. That makes sense, you need the length. I'm a side or more rarely back sleeper, never stomach, so wider further down might be just the thing for keeping the arms on if i go regular womens. Also I'm about 5'10 so the length is OK. Among other mats, I've a green S2S womens comfort light insulated and a large xlite thermarest that I find equally comfortable because of the "sleep to the edge" of the S2S's. The thicker ether light has to be better.
You'd have to go Large women's! The regular women's is only 5'6" if I remember correctly. The Large is 6ft and 25 inches wide. But the width in the middle is really great for side sleeping. The only problem I'm having with switching to a wide pad is that I can't share my 2-person tent with anyone that also has a wide pad. The Big Agnes Tiger Wall UL 3 has really caught my eye for that reason.
@@petersherman2552 Sounds logical to go for the women's, though if you door lie on your back for a while (say, after waking in the morning or while stargazing before sleeping) you might want to consider whether the shorter pad might make your sleeping bag or quilt end up touching the ground/tent bottom. Especially when damp from rain mist or condensation, that could be less than optimal. I prefer being able to have my quilt spread out in full length (also when I'm not in it) without it touching the ground. Also, as a side sleeper I often have one leg pulled up (i.e. bent) and the other kind of straight, so need the longer length. Food for thought.
@@scottbecker3485 I thought about it for a while and then got the regular 'mens'. I was looking at the womens for the Rvalue, however I also have been carrying (with the large exlite) a tough 1/8" foam pad from gossamer gear. 90g. I've accumualated many sleep pads in the quest for the perfect sleep set up, but lately have been alternating large exlite and womens green S2S as they are about equivalent in comfort. It's about usable width. The 1/8" foam boosts the R value a little and acts as sitpad etc other times. Sleeping on inclines is no longer a problem as it sticks the slippery xlite to the slippery dynema floor like glue . The regular etherlite weighed in at 462grams, which is almost exactly the same as the large xlite (464g). So same weight as xlite, allot higher R value, tougher bottom (40Dvs30D), better valve and waaaaay more comfortable. They also don't glue them , they microwave weld them. So very reliable mat. I have tried it out at home a couple of nights, luxurious! And no more potatochip/crisp noise! Currently waiting for a broken ankle to heal up before I can take it hiking. Then I will see if it is as slippery as the thermarest. If it is, then the etherlite/ 1/8" foam mat combo was a good call. If it turns out not to be slippery as the xlite then maybe I would have done better get the heavier womans large and leave the 90g foam mat at home, although the bit of foam does come in very handy. Splitting hairs really.
Super helpful, thanks! Question-- I have the Thermarest ProLite Plus in Large and I find it very comfortable but I'm looking for something more packable. I haven't tried any of the air pads but my worry is bottoming out and having a "bouncy" feel. I like how firm and supportive the ProLite is throughout. Any thoughts on the Ether Light XT vs ProLite?
With some pads, bottoming out is a legitimate concern (depending on your body type). I think it would be almost impossible to bottom out the Ether Light, especially if you like a firm pad. I personally have not tried the prolite, but have a friend who has tried both and she said that she did not find much, if any, of a difference in bounciness. I personally don't really find an air pad much bouncier than a mattress. Most, ether light included, have extensive baffling to help prevent that. What I have found through my use and friends use of thinner pads (e.g. prolite) vs thicker pads (e.g. ether light) is you can sometimes have more of a feeling of falling off the taller pads. Luckily the ether light is really supportive, even close to the edges, so that's not as much of a problem. If you're sleeping super comfortably on the Prolite, I'd take a good long look at switching! Everyone is different and if you've found your soul mate pad, then why switch. Sleep system is the one area I'll sacrifice weight and packability for comfort.
@@JustinOutdoors I appreciate your response. Very helpful. I hear you ..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The Ether Light does seem to check many boxes and would save me considerable weight and volume, but maybe best to follow the "rung what you brung" philosophy, especially where sleep is concerned, as you say. Cheers!
hey justin how did it fare long term? how is the durability?
Did the crinkling noise bother you when you slept on it or was it mostly muffled?
The crinkling on the Ether Light XT was minimal, especially when compared to the Xlite. The Ether Light has more of a rubbery noise than a chip-bag crinkly type noise. The pad wasn't noisy enough to affect my sleep at all.
Justin Outdoors thanks for answering! Very informative video.
anytime DD!
Thanks for a really good review and also the follow up vids you have made. You said you where a bit worried about it being true to the R-value...how do you feel now after using it some?
I just bought the womens large pad, mostly because the increased R-value but also I only needed the extra witdh (side sleeper).
The reason for the fear of low R-value...just came back from the swedish mountains and had a really bad experience with Nemo Tensor 20R insulated...no R-value rating but was good for -2 i think...not a chance, freezing cold at when only +8 outside (lot of wind). Hope the STS Ether XT Insulated Womens with 4,2 R-value is better...could not be worse anyway!
Interesting topic and something that I am going to address with another follow up video this fall. I've used the ether light xt for over 30 nights so far and also had a good conversation with Sea to Summit about the pad. I trust Sea to Summit's r-value testing system and think that the r-values are accurate UNDER TESTING CONDITIONS. I am going to go into a bit more detail on how r-value testing is done in another video, but they do it in a lab and I think there are some ways in which this doesn't accurately reflect pad warmth in the field.
1. The pad needs to be fully inflated to achieve the stated warmth. One of the benefits of the Ether Light XT is that you can deflate it slightly to increase comfort; but this also decreases it's warmth. I found a noticeable difference when I have the pad fully inflated.
2. Air movement due to someone moving around. The Ether Light XT has a lot of air in it. The more this air moves around due to someone on top of it shifting and moving around, the more heat is lost. So if you're an active sleeper, the Ether Light may feel a bit colder due to more air movement compared to other pads.
I think it's important to note that ground temperature is super important for assessing pad warmth. I'd easily take the Ether Light XT to -3/4 C with a fully thawed and dry site that has a low groundwater table. I have started bringing a laser thermometre with me to measure ground temperature and when the air AND ground approach freezing (camping on the shore of an alpine lake), the Ether Light XT has troubles keeping me warm. When I've measured the ground at 4-5 C and the air at close to freezing, I've been toasty.
Hopefully that gives you some perspective on the temps! Keep in mind the temps I list above are for use with the men's size large insulated while wearing fleece pants, merino wool t-shirt, fleece sweater, and a merino wool toque to bed.
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks for a very interesting answer, looking forward to future vids about R value and the testing.
Just recieved the mat and just tried it indoors, very comforatble mat, looking forward to try it on a hike!
Keep up the good work//Robert
Heya bud, thanks for the great review. Very detailed and you nailed all of the important points. Looks like you are based in Calgary? I live in Invermere and have probably hiked a lot of the same trails as you. I have the sea to summit comfort plus sleeping pad. I almost bought the nemo tensor for a lighter pad, but came across the new ether models. I don’t want a flimsy mat and the tensor isn’t getting the reviews I like to see, in terms of durability. I never had an issue with my S to S pad, but want something a bit more comfortable, more so in width, but if it’s lighter too that’s great. I’m a back sleeper and my arms fall off the pad, and out of my quilt. Good thing for me, you are exactly the same size as me, so your reviews are perfect. Keep up the content. Looking like my Colorado Trail thru-hike is not happening this summer, so I might run into you on trail at some point? If you ever get a chance, check out Section C of the great divide trail 👌🏽
Happy trails
Nice, a local commenter! I don't think I will ever go back to regular width pads. I used a regular width pad a couple times this winter and it was brutal! I do have a Nemo Tensor Insulated to try out this summer and I am curious to see how it stacks up against the Ether Light. First impressions are that it is very comfortable. That's unfortunate on the CT. A lot of plans getting nixed this spring/summer and it's heartbreaking. I'm currently planning on hiking the whole GDT next summer! I have a couple trips planned for parts of Section C this summer up to Assiniboine and then the Banff High Line. Looking forward to it and give a holler if you see my purple shorts hiking down the trail!
Justin Outdoors great to hear! Good luck with the GDT next year. I will keep an eye out bro.
Did you decide on the women or mens? I'm really eyeballing the women's. That bigger R-value is a selling point for me bc I'm a cold sleeper.
I ended up going for the men's just because of the way I sleep, I will often have my hands above my shoulders. If I didn't sleep that way, I totally would have gone for the women's for that extra r-value for sure.
What do you think about the idea of adding extra warmth with a space blanket under a pad?
Also, for bikepacking is there any way to use a bicycle pump to inflate these pads? Are there bike pump adapters available?
That's a good question and something I haven't found a definitive answer on as there is a lot of thermodynamic science dealing with radiant vs conductive heat. Based on my understanding of thermodynamics, a space blanket only under your pad would likely not do much because it would not be able to reflect heat (would need air above it). With a sleeping pad that has reflective material, you are conducting heat through the shell material to the air in the pad. The energy/heat then moves through open space as radiant energy until it hits the reflective material and is reflected back.
The space blanket would be in direct contact with the bottom of your tent and sleeping pad and would therefor only be exposed to conductive energy transfer. If you put a layer of space blanket on the entire floor of the tent, then you would have some tent heat reflected back before it was conducted into the ground, this could make a different. It would also act as a vapor barrier in that scenario (but I am not sure how the vapor barrier would affect warmth, something I will look into!).
Hopefully that makes sense. My thermodynamics knowledge only comes from taking up to 3rd year university courses and some basic research into how that applies to backpacking equipment.
I haven't seen bike pump adapters before. Unless you're carrying a bug pump, I think an inflation bag would be your best bet. If you wanted to use a pump, you'd just need to jimmy up some sort of adapter. I think it'd be easily doable with some time spent in home depot.
Thank you, for this video.
The weight announced on SeaToSummit web site is 625g for the Men's Large size, not 560g as you indicated. Do they announce the weight of Mat+Sac+Repair kit all together?
I've been using the SeaToSummit UL Insulated (3.1 new norm) for a few years now, it weights 457g (Men's Regular) and I think I'll hold on to it for a while still
S2S does advertise the weight with the stuff sack and repair kit. The weight I have there is the weight on my scale.
@@JustinOutdoors I understand. So they advertize 625g for the mat+stuff sack+repair kit. Difficult to compare with the 590g you weighted just for the mat alone. I just can't find the 560g you mentionned anywhere on their website
Nevertheless,
thank you again for your video, well made and instructive
Hey mate.
I Love your review´s.
How do you best store the ether light sleeping pad - inflated or packed down?
Keep up the good work.
Kind regards from Denmark.
Much appreciated! I store my Ether Light XT packed down and in the stuff sack. Sometimes I fold it in thirds before rolling and sometimes I'll roll it at full width and then fold the rolled pad in half.
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks for the quick reply. Looking forward to view your upcomming video's 👍
I have the Ultralight Insulated - is the Ether Light XT worth upgrading to? Which one is better for freezing conditions? I find it very noisy. You forgot to mention that the Ultralight Insulted has independent top and bottom cells.
I primarily used the Ultralight Insulated (ULI) before the Ether Light XT. I found the upgrade to be worth it due to the fact I would bottom out the ULI. Not bottoming out on the pad and also changing to a size Large pad was a major upgrade for me! I find the Ether Light XT to be slightly warmer when fully inflated. Both pads do great at freezing. If you find the ULI noisy, I think you're going to find any ultralight pad noisy! haha. With the independent top and bottom cells, I think you're thinking of the Sea to Summit Comfort Plus line of pads!
Ah yes, I have Comfort Plus Insulated, the red one. How would this compare with Ether Light XT?
I'm not sure, to be honest! I haven't tried the Comfort Plus line due to weight.
when you weighed the pad, did it include the pump bag? That might have explained it being slightly over-spec
It didn't include the pumpsack! The weight is from when I was weighing it at 1:50 into the video. I double checked after and got the same weight. So it is definitely overspec. The majority of weights reported for the Ether Light XT line are overspecced unfortunately. A full ounce/30g over is more than is acceptable in my opinion.
@@JustinOutdoors I agree. It is in line with the weight I expect for a well insulated pad that thick though.
The weight of Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated (S size) together with the pump bag is 828 g (stated at around 100 g less without the bag). A bit of a shocker, although I dont mind so much.
Thank you for a great review! Do you know if the StS Ether light XT insulated women's pad have the pillow lock system? I'm thinking of buying their down pillow which is supposed to "lock" onto the sleeping pad.
It does :)
@@JustinOutdoors thank you!!
Every company making a product female: shrink it and pink it!
That’s why I always get the male ones
How is it that Sea to Summit can straight up get the weight wrong? Haha, is it a marketing decision/mistake? Not a great start! Bit still a good sleeping mat though
They told me that they used pre-production weights but then had to increase some weld strength for durability and one hand forgot to tell the other hand. They fixed it all up once they found out, but still a black eye for them!
Weird. Here in EU are weight and R values different for these models.
S2S has updated weights and there has been a new r-value standard released since this review was published.
Thanks for the review, there are very few written reviews out there yet on this mat and I'm itching to get one but want to make sure it's what I need. I have the Sea to Summit Ultralight Insulated XS at the moment, and it's just too short, my legs want a mat too. So I'm thinking of upgrading to Sea to Summit Etherlight Womens Insulated regular size, which would add almost 100 grams for 0.4 R-value and a bit more length and width. What's your take on it? Good upgrade, or should I go with the NeoAir after all? I'm a cold sleeper and generally love StS's valve system, and I'm concerned about the NeoAir squakiness and lack of comfort, but I'm fussy on the weight. Would StS ether uninsulated be enough for basic needs?
Hey Rohaa. If comfort is a priority for you, then go with the StS. If weight is a priority, go with the Xlite. I wouldn't go with any pad with less than 3 r-value, especially if you sleep cold! The fact that the StS is much less noisy would be an added benefit, but a lot of people say they get used to the crinkle.
I own an Uberlite and never managed to sleep through the whole night. Not because of the noise (which is annoying though), but probably because it's so slippery and bouncy. I sleep much better on a Ridgerest and considering to buy the Ether light xt insulated now...
@@sibeliusjohannes2660 The Ether Light XT would be a big change from the Ridgerest! I think you're going to get a little bounce with any inflatable mattress, including the Ether Light XT. It has never been a problem for me with mattresses, where I really get annoyed with bouncy pillows. Does the slipperiness on the top of the mattress bother you or it sliding around the tent?
@@JustinOutdoors bouncy pillows are even worse... there's not much space in my tent, so it can't slide a lot, but my arms and my sleeping bag (when opened) are sliding like on a frozen lake. I just ordered a Prolite XS, which I gonna combine with a 0.4cm thick and 1m long EVA-pad. It's lighter than an Uberlite and full lenght EVA-pad. I wouldn't use a bare Uberlight anyway... If this doesn't work, I'll try one of the STS pads.
@@sibeliusjohannes2660 People's comfort requirements seem to vary wildly. Some of the fastpacker crowd seem happy on the 0.4 EVA alone, while others need something much more plush. It may be a function of age. As a kid I used to sleep on the ground, in winter, with no problems (we'd no choice - the modern pads hadn't been invented). Now that I'm a crumbly old crock I need more comfort. Following the careers of some of the well known lightweight hikers, it's interesting how they are prepared to carry a heavier pad as they get older.
Thanks!
Hey! I am a little bit confused over the r-values you mentioned for both pads. When I look up both pads on the producers websites I find that the Neoair Xlite has a r-value of 4.2 and the Ether light of 3.2 (not 3.2 and 3.8 as you mentioned in your video). Have these pads been upgradet? Cheers, Lasse
The industry adopted a new r-value system since this video was released. SO the values are different now (but more consistent overall). This video explains it all! czcams.com/video/NQ8omUXhzlw/video.html
what about using the bag to inflate it?
That's what I do!
Why would anyone not have the insulated version? They are both pretty noisy.
Weight would be the major reason. There are some places I have camped where it stays around 20-30C all night and there is no need for an insulated pad, so might as well save the weight and cost!
The NeoAir has an R-Value of 4.2 and not 3.2 as stated in the video... maybe the model you're reviewing is older?
I reviewed this before the new r-value standard came out. That's the reason for the discrepancy!
The x lite has R value of 4.2 not 3.2 so xlite is lighter AND warmer
This video was made prior to the 2020 ASTM updates
From what I see on the Sea to Summit website the Ether Light XT R-Value is only 3.2 and not 3.8. Otherwise great review.
Sea to Summit and pretty much every other manufacturer adopted a new ASTM standard for testing r-value that came into play in January 2020. With that change in testing, the r-value for the Ether Light XT changed (even though construction is identical); this was the case for most pads out there. I did an update video where I talk about that and a couple other things! czcams.com/video/c8SMRtFCz-c/video.html
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks!!
@@nathansavelli No problem!
you can even pump it with no breath at all. I do it that way.
There are many differences between these mats but when it comes to warmth there is no completion, in real life the Xlite blows the S2S away.
one year later are you still using this?
I am! I have a few other pads in the rotation as well, but the Ether Light XT is still my go-to for summer comfort.
How tall (cm)are you pls?
178cm
Nice new channel, but i still prefer the lightest, the neoair. see ya
The Neoair line-up is definitely the winner when it comes to weight!
Hahahaha the neoair is heavy compared to exped
@@davidbergmann8948 tell me the model, same R-value?
You single never 😲
Using your breath causes mold because humidity
That has actually been debunked for the most part. Newer pads use an antibacterial treatment that will prevent mold from forming, even if you use you blow directly into the pad.
That's why it comes with the pumpsack..
It "helps" prevent mold,,
I have seen a few really nasty ones, worst one in the summer heat.. 🥴😝
Welp, I gotta have one now lol.
haha!
OMG....It's the size of my tent when rolled up.
Sea to Summit is well known for false advertised weights...
That's what she said?
They've since adjusted their advertised weights for the product. Their advertised is actually higher than what I measured.
that thing packs huge and is 20oz? ether my ass!
At least they didn't call it ultralight! Definitely not on the lighter side of sleeping pad options, but oh so comfortable.
@@JustinOutdoors my axl air just gave out after 1st use....so im lookin, again....
JJ Justin has the Large. The Regular packs a bit smaller and is a bit lighter. Just saying. At any rate, comfort is critical for some, but if weight and size are your prime factors, then there are plenty of options out there. I‘m happy that Sea to Summit created this comfier option.
Great review. Still single? ;) haha
NOPE! hahaha