Jonathan Haidt & Yuval Noah Harari: Adapting to Change in an Accelerating World
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- Watch social psychologist and author Jonathan Haidt speak with historian and author Yuval Noah Harari, about our most pressing challenges in an accelerating, tech-driven world -- and how they manifest in social media, mental health, and the polarization of politics.
Originally featured in an October 2021 event organized by Cambridge Judge Business School, as part of a series led by its MBA class of 2020.
Very engaging, complimentary, and productive communication style and partnership. More please.
Philosophers and Artists .. Yes please !!
@@ArielBerdugo Consider: an open and ongoing, more inclusive and integral, developing and advancing, stream of sincere TheoScientoPhilosophers and GeoSocioTechnoEngineers going forward.
Yuval is a damn eugenicist. The intelligentsia class of our world is driving us off a cliff.
U got that right
This guy... Only seconds in and I already have to make a note of his first comment: 'History is not the study of the past, it is the study of change.' Simple, but brilliant.
I don't see any real difference.
These are the two most influential humans in my life these days. I feel so much gratitude and love for them for the brilliant gifts they each bring to our deeply challenged world. 🙏❤🙂
Wonderful panel, in fact it is absolutely fantastic what technology can positively provide us. I, a 51-year-old female, university student at a public institution in Brazil, a country where quality education is rare, where the education offered is constantly violated by unscrupulous politicians, who expect their citizens to remain uneducated, without access to technology, never I could participate even at a distance, in an immensely instructive, enlightening and rewarding conversation like this, with highly qualified and influential thinkers like you, Jonathan Haidt and Yuval Noah Harari, at an event held by the illustrious University of Cambridge. It was technology (Wi-Fi, Facebook, CZcams... ) that gave me this opportunity, so when I write this I see your lines impregnated in my text. Those who dominate technology, information, social media in fact have the Power, and very few people and countries actually hold that power. This is something at the same time old, but executed in an extremely subtle and assertive way, at an impressive speed, as has never been seen before. And it's tremendously scary! Thanks
Oh yeah, more evidence I'd like to share is Paul Hellyer
Retired minister of defense from Canada tells his story.
More knowledge/information, maybe soon, via AI/ human merging, appears to be taking over from More wealth, More real estate/ towers with gold toilets, as the new, top favorite Greed thing. I never was hooked on Stuff greed, and while mildly tempted by the power of Knowing, nah. Not afraid of it. There's so much delight in staying close to 'Natural' world, no lasting joy in magic tech. Use it as well as I can, avoid being used by it.
“History is the study of change”
if history taught to live without war, violence, suffering, etc.
fantastic - had to share it on - of all places - facebook - so that it could reach large numbers of listeners.
Thank you for such captivating conversation.
Especially the ET'S part.. they live here too. Dr. Steven Greer also has an opinion about their presence in his film "Close Encounters of the 5th Kind "
תודה רבה מכל הלב... או בעצם מכל המוח ))) !!!!!
Yuval is not only articulate but has a deep sensibility and eagle eyed view of things. Jon is pretty good in his own way as well.
What a wonderful discussion. Thanks to the sponsors for hosting my 2 favorite modern day intellectuals. Insightful. Thought provoking.
Yuval Noah Harari is a clown
@@tayzk5929 why?
Hi Gilead Weil, "Nothing is permanent except change" is a philosophy taught by Buddha since BC 600, bro. Still taught this way in Buddhism.
Excellent discussion. I will revisit this at a later time.
Thanks. Very good conversation.
"If you just read the Stoics and the Buddhists, you will be far ahead of everyone else in how to live in this world and be effective in it."
"Calm Down, Don't Judge, Accept People for What They Are, Get Control of Your Own Reactions, and Move Through the World Despite the Chaos of It."
Buddha borrows most of his ideas from the upanishads
If you read Heraclitus and other presocratic philosophers you will have far ahead vision of nature, life of everyone
@@mcnallyaar move where? and why?
Great thinkers engaged in a great conversation: a very good investment of an hour of anyone's time. No one can present any firm answers about the future. Still, I found the calm discussion and the advice to revisit the wisdom of the Buddhists and the Stoics to be comforting. Hysteria and hatefulness don't and won't help. Thank-you! 🙂
Perhaps not coincidentally, both Stoicism and Buddhism emerged and flourished during times not unlike ourn: rapid social changes, pluralism, and multiculturalism leading to fragmentation. The Buddha even described the intellectual milieu in which he lived as a "forest of views".
Science without conscience is the death of the soul.
- Francois Rabelais
This was a wonderful thoughtful dialogue. thank you.
When Jonathon asked Yuval to summarize the trends and they agreed on data and social science, I wanted to leap out and say "The link between the two is INTERPRETATION". I came from the front lines in my industry, got advanced degrees in the research end which meant the data collection and mining(altho I thought it meant the interpretation). Our organization was top heavy with database and application people, but super light with interpreters. This was the case when I worked in the military as well. You can have analysts who write reports on selected outcomes doing this, or is increasing here by x% and y is decreasing by y%, but without understanding the drivers (mechanisms) of those behavior changes and how the people are being influenced by various forces, the decision makers and implementers don't really KNOW WHY its happening by just looking at columns of percentages or odds ratios. Understanding the social and behavioral forces that are influencing that change and being able to communicate it well is the real challenge for the future. Big data is and has been everywhere. for 2 decades. What FB et al have done is develop the tools to measure and calculate those behavioral changes and weaponize them. Now we need ethics training on top.
Won't get ethics from Yuval
Personally I was quite dissatisfied with that answer, but Yuval also mentioned philosophy in passing, that is a much better thing to focus on imo. Understanding the human condition, being attentive to those overarching patterns that underly the patterns that underly further patterns, instead of focusing on the minutiae, the world needs multidisciplinary thinkers who are not afraid to be human, and not machines.
Harari is an evil Monster, serving the Davos. That is why he gets so much attention.... 🐲
Bang on
Just like them, he is not pluralistic. He is pushing for a world where he himself and people as nearly as possible exactly like him are maximally important. That, to him, is the most wonderful future.
Really like the brief discussions on best way to think about what is nationalism (around min.50) and also incorporating more than just maximizing profits as the primary goal in the capitalism model.
My favorite line was the ET presence. #CloseEncountersOfthe5thkind should reverberate
Wonderful conversation, thank you!
Two amazing intellects. I'd love to see both involved in more debates in the ether
"History is not a study of the past rather it's the study of change"...that's a more accurate definition of history.
This is a great talk. A knowledge-gasm.
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I encourage all to explore the science of Kabbalah for answers to the human condition of selfishness, hatred and other negative thoughts
You have taken over my morning! THANK YOU! What a clear, concise discussion of the state of our society and the problems and possible solutions conceivable. So many clear analyses of the myriad changes barreling through our lives! This grandmother is instituting a challenge for my 23 adult family members to find the necessary hour to watch this brilliant program, read a few postulates of Marcus Aurelius, and join in an ongoing family discussion group of individual actions we can take to engage one another and our circle of friends.
This is truly one of the most realistic, stimulating discussions I've heard.
If Facebook could spread this, we might have a chance to survive.
Stumbled upon this conversation and am thoroughly grateful, (maybe sustained by agreement with complementary thoughts to my own). Much to weigh and meditate! Thank you!
Hi Yuval....adore you...Linda
Live and let live is the foundation of democracy and equal protection under limited laws to preserve our individual rights. It creates the most peaceful society because when people are able live voluntarily, with free trade and free association, they are most productive and most tolerant of others and more innovative.
Yuval is so good. He's answers and information is shockingly smart and obvious, easy to digest and insightful.
I'm not sure whether to think of Yuval as a thinker rather than historian.
Yuval is listed in my list amongst the greatest, next to Jim Rohn and Earl Nightingale ♥️
I think Yuval is a thinker, philosopher first, and is historian as background and foundation, and as a way to organize and communicate ideas. I see him as a philosopher who uses history, and the role of historian simply as tools for his work. Like a physicist uses mathematics as tool. All day long, but just as a tool.
(And I like "shockingly smart". He is somehow "next level".)
@@vsiegel Next level, exactly. His work is extremely diverse, Yuval doesn't mention history quite often in regards to specific events, rather he uses history as a tool and lessons, as you said. Brilliant.
He's our best ambassador. 🇮🇱🌍
We are now always one day away from the dark ages.
He's nothing but an historian specializing in crusader period.
He's just good at providing insightful sound bites. Literally nothing special about him academically or scientifically.
Nothing but a popular media figure adopted by western elites.
@@NP1066 I do not think he even cares about the crusader period.
His ideas are more than sound bites, very consistent as a whole.
And actually quite insightful, if you would ask me.
Fundamentally, he is just a scientist with relevant ideas and above average communication skills.
Adopted by western elites is a good way to put it, but that is not really his fault.
Thank you for an Interesting and Timely Discussion; we definitely are a Tipping Point and the only way we can survive is by Adapting wisely.
Excellent content. More please🇨🇦
it's a privilege to have access to such mind-provoking conversation
Very engaging!
the title is already wrong
we don't want to adapt to an accelerating world... we want it to crash and slow the fuck down everything.
"don't bring your whole self to work if you can't deal with others who bring their whole selves to work" so great! the only thing keeping me sane is people like Jonathan, Bret Weinstein, and others. Congress itself is now so divided we really have no chance of recovering from this.
You probably mean the GOP has gone off the deep end, given up all semblance of decency and adherence to truth, and is willing to give up democracy in favor of permanently holding power at all costs. Blaming Dems for this situation is a supreme example of false equivalence resulting from intellectual laziness.
@@deanronson6331 well it's more than the dems have completely politicized not only everything about the pandemic, but the whole justice system now with going after trump endlessly now with jan 6, before with endless russia allegations that went nowhere. the dems have been way way worse to anyone that isn't completely blinded by ideology.
@@aguyinhisroom In any country with the justice system worth its salt, Trump and his lackeys would've been arrested and incarcerated awaiting trial on Jan. 6, not only because of incitement to attack the Capitol but because of a months' long campaign to steal the election and prevent a peaceful transfer of power. A wise man had your number when he said that the difference between intelligence and idiocy is that intelligence has its limits.
@@deanronson6331 sure, bot account
for me the elephant in the room in this conversation is that there are 8 billion people in the world who all aspire to the same life style as we in the privileged west have and the concommitant shrinking of the worlds physical resources accelerated by climate change.
I deleted my facebook account a few months ago. Had to ‘give up’ all the connections, but they were not high quality anyway, so not a huge loss. It was actually a huge ‘gain’. Loss to facie, which is not regrettable.
"Facie"? What is that?
Yuval reliably blows my mind everytime I listen to him
LESS FEAR - MORE ART MORE PHILOSOPHY . . . . . . .
It's fascinating, after watching a lot of Yuval's conversations with American speakers, is that Americans cannot really stay away from 1) making every topic about American politics (with very little interest and knowledge about what's happening outside of the USA) and 2) name-dropping their talks, books and 3) producing and seeking for short phrases, soundbites or fixation on words from Yuval that they can appropriate for their own future talks.
Strangely enough the same behaviour doesn't show up when Yuval speaks to non-Americans.
Brillant minds🙏🏻🌈🌍🌱✨
Nice discussion.
Brilliant and informational!
Fascinating conversation! Thank you
Great, make me think
Start from yourself , and be responsible!
Guest suggestion: Professor STEVE KEEN has some practical and innovative ideas for the transition of the economy. He has recently piublished The New Economics, and has returned to Australia to run for Senate because he is also concerned.
Meanwhile, the major parties in AU have rapidly come together to increase the barriers of entry for new political parties.
👌🏿 always good
Really great content and presentation! Its here too... Switzerland.
Open society was made to skip taxes and labor / environmental laws and import/outsource cheap labor.
People and environment as usual suffer.
Almost no social phenomenon in history was motivated by the common good
You have to know history to understand what the future may bring.
I love the point he makes about ET'S living here. #CloseEncountersofThe5thkind is my go to for this kind of research
Perhaps we should all agree that if you’re not capable of publicly discussing these matters in such great detail and wisdom, for longer than 30 seconds debate stage timeframes, then you’re not qualified for public office. That could be one start.
We have not adequately measured the speed at which human society is evolving, nor have we been able to make a projection of what is to come.
To face what is coming, it is convenient to better understand our particular human nature.
Here I highlight some features.
The Self is the biography of the Being that our unconscious manages. The Self is an entity that is created through the language that a child hears when they refer to it. Over time, a very strong association is established between the unconscious and the Being; in fact, the brain assumes that conscious bodily actions are also actions of the self. The unconscious "observes" the action of the Being when it "moves" through the immaterial and timeless worlds that are eventually generated when language is used.
The brains manage the biography of various entities, such as that of parents, friends, grandparents, etc., etc. A child's brain has no problem managing the biography of a Little Red Riding Hood. When the child hears that they refer to him carrying out actions that his body is not performing at that moment, his brain generates (just as it does when he listens to the story of Little Red Riding Hood) an entity, which has his name, which is who is carrying out the actions described by the speaker. We call this entity the Self, and its actions are what we know as conscious actions.
The function of the brain is to administer the actions, actions carried out by a material body. Matter only exists in the present. The unconscious acts as an observer of the action of the Being, an entity that, like Little Red Riding Hood, has an immaterial, non-tangible body, "composed" of Information. Our body is a slave to matter, that is, it is a slave to the Present. This is not the case with the Being, who, like Little Red Riding Hood, can manage to move through “timeless and immaterial worlds” through the action of language.
The Being emerges from the language that the child listens to and learns. Over time, she unconsciously relates to him to a superlative degree. At an unconscious level, there is never a complete fusion between our material body and the Being. This is because the actions of our material body can only be carried out in the Present, and in the world of matter, while It is given to the Being to carry out actions in “timeless and immaterial worlds” through the action of language. Although there will never be a complete fusion between the material body and the Being, an indissoluble society will be established.
All unfalsifiables are equally valid.
Could you elaborate on the analogy of Little Red and the Self. Are you talking about our relationships to stories and how we compare our own momentary experiences with the stories that live outside of the now? Or have I misunderstood?
Thank you, really thought provoking. x
@@llewynmitchell8602 To the brain of a child listening to the story of Little Red Riding Hood, Little Red Riding Hood is very real. The child's brain builds a biography of that entity from what he hears about it when his mother tells him the story. The brain of every individual stores various biographies, of various entities, from the interaction that the individual has with said entities. Thus, for example, my brain has the biography of hundreds of people registered. My dog's brain also performs a similar function, and has no problem distinguishing between the two cats my neighbor has.
A child constantly listens to talk about him, but not always what they say about him refers to something he is doing at that moment. It happens when, for example, his mother tells him “tomorrow we will go play with Pedrito in the park”. So, his brain does not associate the action of "playing in the park" with his body, and integrates the action of playing in the park into the biography of the entity Pedrito. In turn, many times the language that the child hears refers to actions that he is carrying out at that moment; then his brain simultaneously integrates said life experience into the biography of his body and the biography of the Pedrito entity. Over time, a very strong association is established between his body and the entity Pedrito. However, a total fusion is never established, because the actions of the Pedrito entity, actions that are described by third parties through the language that the child hears, are not always actions that his body is carrying out.
In the manner described arises the Being.
(I inform you that I write in Spanish and I use the Google translator)
@@guillermobrand8458 wow I'm blown away by your quick and very detailed response. Thankyou kindly for elaborating, I understand your initial comment a little better now.
I assumed you were talking about emotional concepts that we develop overtime through storytelling and the observations of the world around us and how they are not grounded in the individuals' affect during the situation observed. Ergo, distorting the true reality.
@@llewynmitchell8602 During his first four years of life, a child hears between seven thousand and twenty five thousand words DAILY (7,000 - 25,000). A surprising number without a doubt. During wakefulness, the child is constantly capturing information from his environment, information that is processed by his brain. Sounds, shapes, colors, words, textures, flavors, actions carried out by other people, etc., are integrated into that "mental panorama", in that "photograph with meaning" that somehow pretends to represent and give meaning to what is happening in the relevant environment of the minor.
Many of the words that a child hears do not refer to something that is happening in the MATERIAL environment of him. This is what happens, for example, when the child listens to the story of Little Red Riding Hood. Then his brain manages to place a girl walking in a forest, a forest that by the way does not exist in the world of matter. Only human beings, thanks to the language we administer, can generate "mental scenarios" that represent "realities" that do not exist in the world of matter.
In the "immaterial and timeless worlds" that arise with the use of human language, it is not a problem for the child's brain to integrate the entity Pedrito (the Being). The action of the Being is what we know as "conscious action".
For our unconscious, the Being is “very real”. Our unconscious “does not think”. The unconscious assumes that the action of thinking is an action of the Being, not of the m
‘Do not being your whole self to work’ - love it!!!
What a gem!
Very interesting and engaging to follow. I totaly agree that IT and technology should be used to our benefit and the existance of our collective data over decades could be a rich source of material for science and sociology to use in in-depth studies of communities and the changes taking place. I also imagine, if these stores of data, especially from Facebook will always be available into the future. I think of how cool it would be if we could go back into the past and actually see what our ancestors where like, what they looked like, thought, dressed, liked and disliked incuding their standard of living etc. The fact that authoritarian societies like Chine would abuse these technologies to suppress their people should just make us more determined to give access to more of their people to knowledge and information that will make it harder for authorities to control them.
The ET line is fabulous! Defense Minister from Canada, Paul Hellyer shares his story to back up this statement
Agreed but in a way this could be interpreted as a new form of the airborne leaflet propaganda tactic used by US in the Korean war for example. The type of information that Chinese can access, must be true, honest information, and not propaganda.
Is there any tragedy, hypocrisy, deception, worry or danger empires can't bring us?
Hi are there any programmers here? Hararri mentions that coding will be automated sometime in the future. Does anyone agree with this? I want to become a software developer. I know nothing is secure in the future but won’t the skill set just translate to something else, like more high level tech work?
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Wow, cool!!!
I think it is easy to get pollyanna with all of this. Keeping slaves alive longer is not necessarily an indicator of things getting better. I wonder if this is the first time in history we have had fences on factory roofs to prevent suicide.
11:45 That metaphor is excellent, and in some aspects sounds eerily similar to the point of Technological Singularity. As per Wikipedia, a point in time at which technology has evolved such that it results in ".... unforeseeable changes to human civilization....". Yikes.
Terrance Mckenna often talked about the acceleration of technological development in the context of a universe that has a tendency towards states of higher order, i.e fractal like evolution towards increasing complexity, which is sort of the trajectory that life on earth has taken (starting with bacteria and basic single cell organisms and now at humans interfacing with artificial intelligence). In my mind, the future will indeed continue at an explosive state and our subjective experience will be much like a tripping on psychedelics where every thought has a fractal aspect to it and everything is endlessly complex and unfathomable, to the point where we become a new kind of organism with a completely different level of consciousness.
@@MrMadalien Seems likely.....the rapid incorporation of A.I. into most aspects of our life has amazing consequences similar to what you describe. The "problem" for humans is that A.I. systems can out-perform us in terms of cognitive skills in several important ways. Basically, we're getting left behind and becoming increasingly dependent on A.I. to perform decision-making tasks in certain applications where the task can be accomplished much better and faster than if done by humans. So, A.I. will cause to evolve intellectually and you mention the outcome will be a new level of consciousness. I agree. The best we can hope for IMO is a seamless integration of A.I. into human consciousness, which may be asking too much.
@@jlvandat69 I really don't think it will be seamless! And the people at the top of this endeavour of creating AI are not really concerned with how this affects humanity, silicon valley has a religious framework for AI and technology, so the creation of sentient AI is more like a spiritual goal rather than something that should objectively benefit humanity. AI policy is more like a damage control thing, trying to reduce the destabilizing effect of something that has it's own animating force that is not necessarily human... I find this stuff really fascinating and can go on about it endlessly haha
Data is helping to centralise society, and social media is therefore a gift to totalitarians. The data revolution is centralising society and economy, quite like the industrial revolution did over the last two centuries. But as industrial revolution deepened, it also helped reverse the centralisation of production and politics. So will this trend repeat as the data revolution deepens ?
The moderator spoke too rapidly. Missed Jonathan's business name and address
Fantastic discussion and well-informed insights.
Only and only the path of budhha that is vipassana can bring peace in world may all beings be peace ful only and only vipassana can save and bring peace sabka mangal
Tower of Babel? Surprised to hear that mentioned by Dr. Haidt.
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew ... whether religious nor secular ...
Well the way he looks at humans it shouldn't surprise you. He's part of the satanic World Economic Forum.
It's very fitting
23:00 Skills needed
Flexibility, adaptability, 1)good with data, 2)good with humans, people
!!!!! Data+Social science
Know Your Self and ignore, forget and forgive Yourself. This Is the Best defense and the Best attack. Am I right Yuval? 0️⃣+♾️=1️⃣
In 1992 the movie Sneakers previewed your thesis. Ben Kingley's iconic line, "it's all about the data." Has stayed with me for decades...and here we are! Thank you for the insightful discussion...critical issues we need to sort out.
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I love this video. Thanks to Yuval and Jonathan. but I have a problem. Yuval keeps saying "it depends on the decisions we make". My problem is who is this "we" he is talking about ? Really it isn't about my own personal decisions that will affect the outcome, he must mean the decisions of the wealth class that have all the power to make the decisions. As for the rest of us, the only decision "we" can make is to just ignore the internet, social media, and quit buying from companies that support authoritarian regimes. But that is not something "we" can do. We are the lemmings.
Being in a 'complex, dynamical system with radically new parameters that we don't understand' describes the experience of most, if not all, of the colonized peoples of this world.
History is mindset of revenge(immoral), pride(immoral) and justice(status-quo).
Harari really needs to see the movie called "R I S E N"! And maybe he'll understand something.
Yuval’s comment on the vaccine was chilling. Now he knows how leaky it was, hopefully he would change that opinion.
Two important thinkers of our time.
I would like to propose something for them to comment on: Our system was designed more than two hundred years ago. With today's science and technologies, we could make better systems. Blockchain technology, for example, allows us to bring security and trust to the processes that run on the internet, and a large part of the public administration will be able to run on these unhackable systems. We will also be able to vote on our phones as easily as we give a like.
Recent advances in psychology show how we can apply structure to human decision-making processes, greatly improving the quality of decisions within organizations. There is also the idea of futarchy, which aims to bring the efficiency of the market into government decision-making. We can also count on AI, which will be more and more capable of making better decisions.
Anyway, many new resources are now available, and with them we can create much better systems.
Now would actually be a good time for an advanced benevolent extra terrestrial species to show up and maybe offer a little insight on how to deal with ourselves and this soon upcoming invasive technology without destroying ourselves. It seems we need someone higher than us to make this call. Advanced as we are, we still need help from an "adult" just like a kid.
Data may become more concentrated in the future, though energy (renewables) will become more distributed.
Ok. If I search for information about a topic on my computer or phone, I encounter data that might or might not be the consequence of humans unknowingly interacting with bots. The influence of information that is constructed by AI is not visible. Bots can use algorithms to identify other bot messages, but mere humans don't have that ability. The result is that I am at the mercy of AI 'agendas'. If AI establishes the context, the framework, and primes my thoughts with a prescribed mataphor, I find myself slavishly falling into line. I find myself overwhelmed with seeing through the 'mere' meaning of statements. I feel that the whole effort to establish a truthful dialog with other 'individuals' is becoming a sign of nievity.
"Plastic"? No.
I believe "knowledge" has always been THE keyword.
On an individual basis calming down and bring the Bhudda and Marcus Aurelius with you as you deal with your individual life is great advice but it does not solve the problem of AI manipulation of broad societies. Why is this not going to get worse?
Add to that escalating income an wealth inequality over the past 50-sh years. In some years it's been exponentially escalating... and add in climate change which alone has in the past tanked civilizations, or did so with the presence of growing income and wealth inequality
When Hariri himself bought a popular story.
Vaya obsesión del profesor de negocios con hablar de la “izquierda” que francamente pensar que existe la izquierda en Estados Unidos ya ensimismo es una broma. Saludos. Harari es lo máximo.
We are going through a holocaust of common sense and told to ignore observational reality.
We need nationalism and countries because we live in an obsolete monetary system. I'm curious how they would extrapolate on nationalism in the absence of the monetary system.
Look at Amazon and how they are constantly taking on new industries.
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It would be nice to have a non leftist included in the discussion.
Haidt is enough of a centrist to be regarded by leftists as conservative.
@@dixonpinfold2582 that doesn't make him not a leftist. "Conservatives" today are further to the left than even the most extreme leftist of 10 years ago.
@@TomorrowWeLive In your first sentence you're telling me what I'm telling you. In your second you're wildly overstating things. It would be, however, quite accurate to say that a great many of the centrist liberals of the day before yesterday have been forcibly evicted to the centre-right, and that the more they push us the happier we are to oblige them by moving rightwards. Many, like me, consider themselves politically homeless.
An ordinary moderate conservative of 20 years ago now gets called "far right."
Those who grew up in the '70s, '80s and '90s and witnessed the constant left lampooning of Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh came to imagine conservatives with devil's horns, and few of them grew out of their adolescent political outlook. Now they run political parties, media outlets, university faculties and places like Hollywood. Corporations and churches, even. It's rather puke-making.
Thanks for your reply.
The discussion implies the importance of unintended consequences associated with capitalism ( ie climate change, pandemic) but really trivialized how this can be remedied. Capitalism and the market are simple models of economic activity with the objective of maximizing material benefits to people which do not account for ecological degradation and associated risks. As Einstein said "simplify everything as much as possible but no more" a guide that is ignored in our economic systems. Capitalism, for example, ignores the environment completely except by trying to internalize it (ie. make crude adjustments to a crude model) using static prices to model dynamic interactions. Ecosystems do not behave in a linear manner and are prone to fail catastrophically in non linear ways. As Dr. Beck suggests in his risk society model our current social institutions are unable to resolve the ecological risks we have created. I wonder what the presenters feel about decreasing technological invention, and especially innovation, and increasing both of these tasks to creating societal institutions that are capable of preserving the environment in which humans are entirely dependent.
Jebus.... Only in the past few years. Consciousness out of Context by Robin Fox nailed it decades ago.
MBAs weren't specific, nor are BS/MS/PhD in computer science or engineering, nor those who are authors, artists, musicians, nor those who are electricians, plumbers, roofers, farmers, etc.
Some things have improved, they improved for HUMANS at the expense of NATURE; we are ego-centric. Everything else for NATURE has worsen thanks to the improvements for HUMANS. This progress won't last long because we are destroying the basis of our survival. If humans want to become eco-centric they have to reconsider the concept of progress from scratch.
I do permaculture farming and make my own compost etc. etc. but I'm still open to the possibility that the technological singularity will indeed wipe out all forms of organic life (which to me is the ultimate tragedy) and life will become a self constructing self rearranging synthetic form that does not require oxygen or anything like that. In a way, it would be the ultimate consumer, that will be able to venture to other planets to harvest metals and other resources to continue growing Akira style. Or, we will collapse just before that singularity and nature will take over as it always has in the past.
What I call strong positive realism and gut. A very pleasant and inspiring exchange.
We should never underestimate the human stupidity, it's one of the most powerful forces in history. Yuval Noah Harari
If 2percent of gdp is all over world spent on building vipassana centre and developing vipassana centre change will come in world come people and youth vipassana teachers are waiting for you
Harari (55:57) suggests that if 2% of economic resources were devoted to environmental + social/economic problems they could be solved. I remember Lester Brown making a similar suggestion about 30 years ago. I also remember my feeling of despair at the suggestion. As Brown pointed out this would require a substantial fraction of the worlds military budget. Do any of you imagine that to be possible given the governing elites, then and now? Saving our civilization has been judged not worth the price by those elites.
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"conspiracy theories about witches and jews," said the most influential Historian from Israel in an age of Matriarchy.
AI will cut our noses off, wealthy humans will hold the knife!