Britain Makes Worst Missile Carrier, Asked To Leave NATO
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In War Thunder, the British Swingfire is a peculiar tank destroyer with agile anti-tank guided missiles. I actually enjoy using it a fair amount, especially since Gaijin nerfed the other ATGM carriers.
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Play the T-10
day 40 of asking you to play the chi ha navy short gun
Someone needs money
Could you play the m901?
editing in this video 12/10 this time dayum
"Britain makes something bad, asked to leave x" is definitely a good series
As a brit who only plays the SAF vics in the british tree, i 100% agree
As a brit and a british main, i agree
Basically just 15 to 20 minutes complaining about British tanks
They made the L7, they just forgot about the rest of the tank.
Britain make British food,asked to leave existence
I cannot recall the story 100% but at my job there is an ex-Striker gunner from the Belgian army. And the very very first time he was gonna fire the thing, the main motor didnt ignite so it just popped out and fell 25 meters in front of them & he was so dissapointed because he was so looking forward to firing the damn thing
"How to turn your ATGM launcher into a mortar 101"
@@The2flame cqc mortar
@@privatered4064it’s like hurling rocks but more advanced
@@arandomcommenter412Isn't that just human weaponry in general?
@@Demon_Wolfie in a sense, yes, except for things like flamethrowers and chemical weapons.
The bovington tank museum piece on this vehicle is honestly incredible, the ability to dismount the sighting system away from the launcher and use it at a safe distance is so cool in my opinion.
It's also able to maneuver the missile almost 90 degrees immediately after launch!
Imagine being able to point your sight at a spot on the ground or in a building(!) to have your gunner takes 20-50 seconds to deploy to that location -- and then you can just shoot from there. Vehicle hiding behind a cliff or as building,m shooting at targets at right angles to it and 4km away, because f**k you, that's why.
_That_ is the FV438 Swingfire and the Striker in a nutshell.
But its not Russian so it can't have its full capabilities
@@DavidBennell Blaming Russian Bias because you can't dismount your tank crew and play as infantry to sight for your ATGM is a Big Bozo Move.
@@whatdothlife4660 if you look at phlydailys old video from like 3 years ago or something on BAE Swingfires, they are much more realistic being able to fire them round corners and over hills in third person. now war thunder forces you to have line of sight. but at least the SWINGFIRES actually SWING now i suppose
Too bad you can’t in game
In real life, almost all vehicles equipped with that launcher had a remote targeting sight and 50-100m of cord. You were supposed to leave the vehicle in a deep defilade or open courtyard behind buildings while you hid in foliage or a building. If done right, it was also possible to park it down side streets since the missile could make 90° turns.
>be me, T-72 commander
>war between motherland and NATO has finally kicked off
>spearheading an attack into west berlin
>take out a few Pattons on the way in
>fuck yea, lets make it an ace
>keep hunting for that Patton booty
>we rush and miss a house full of americans
>tank in my platoon takes a LAW from a window
>crew promoted to cosmonauts
>order the gunner to swing the turret around and remove the offending building
>fuk yeah thats going in the Hero of the Soviet Union commendation
>no support now but feeling confident
>think I hear some action down a street
>turn the corner
>just some british infantry
>wtf are they doing
>one of them is holding a tv camera
>wut.jpg
>whatever, no tanks here
>order gunner to commit war crimes live on BBC
>before he can, a missile shoots out of an alley
>headed right for building
>wtf are they doing
>the missile
>fucking
>turns
>headed right for us
>hits the front plate
>somehow the ammo doesn't detonate
>driver is dead, gunner's legs are fucked, somehow I'm unscathed
>thank Alexei and Ivan for noble sacrifice
>about to bail out when another missile comes out of the alley
>does the same fucking thing
>goes right through the mantlet
>my body is shredded and the ammo finally detonates
>die
Fucking British bullshit. Fuck the Swingfire.
It would be ccol if they added some kind of sighting drone or robot that did that job and acts as a missile sight for the swingfire.
@@InsufficientGravitas I have a feeling this could make the Swingfire horribly overpowered. Also I doubt they would even consider this idea unless there's a Russian vehicle they can implement it in first.
@@DarkButzthat or make it its own vehicle and be top teir (the only difference is the sight shenanigans, missile stays the same).
@@DarkButzI found the german main
I actually don't think the Swingfire is that bad, I just like the title scheme
Also if you guys could turn on notifications that would help a lot, YT is being really weird about showing new uploads to subs
Poor Britain
hey spookston play the gaz dshk and recreate technicals at top tier
Man of principle🔥
Memes on point today
Now go play the Type 60 ATM and make yourself regret every single bit of your choice of words in this video's title...
This thing is actually one of my favourite vehicles in the British tree, the sight is super easy to use on nearly any map and can stick out over crates and such
The swingfire is a verhicle I like a lot because it's the type that does one thing, but does that one thing *really* well. It can sit behind literally any hill and engage enemies between ~100m and 4km, and does so very effectively.
The independently loaded tubes is an incredibly nice feature, and the sight being so far up as well as the ammo pool being quite big is very convenient and user friendly.
If you haven't read up on the Swingfire missile IRL you absoluytely should, it's even more insane than in the game in rea llife with almost 90 degree turns right after launch due to how incredibly manouverable it was.
If it had its true capabilities in-game it could engage things right up in front of you quite quickly too instead of firing in the super large arch like every other regular missile type.
@@ZETH_27 Verhicle
imo all the british atgm spgs were still better before the missile update. idk why does gaijin have the need to constantly change missile physics
@@teaser6089 Sorry! I meant Vehericel
@@thamemeez5702 Every ATGM in the whole game became worse because of the update, however I feel like the Swingfire was affected the least because it is a one-of-a-kind missile that actually has the comical level of manouverability that all ATGMs used to have before the nerf.
1:55 is INCREDIBLY relatable. I'm like 1.5k hours in and I find myself having zero clue how to play the sides of the map that I don't reflexively spawn in. They only ever see action when I'm playing with a friend.
Abandoned Factory A? Never heard of her.
dam i'm the exact opposite, 6k hours here and I always exclusively use the lesser-treadded parts of the map to flank.
Also abandoned factory A used to be flag C so it's confusing
Wait but he played on that side of the map before, in the twin barrel anti-air (can’t remember if it’s the Chinese one or the ASU). I think it was in a video with Oddbawls
Note: Swingfire with the la royale update got it's deadzone significantly reduced, it's also the ONLY atgm in the game that has it's old FM thus being very stable and agile as it's designed to be very agile(thrust vectoring atgm btw)
I can't say for sure but I am fairly sure the swingfire did get a new flight model, just one appropriate for the missile. I have no evidence of this it just seems way easier to controle than before. And their new lesser dead zone seems to be a result of this change.
it cant leave the launcher and pull a hard 90 like it could irl
@@axeavier It can least pull a hard 80 degrees. Its definitely way better to control than before.
The swingfire used to be a lot worse, idk when they fixed it but it couldn't kill shit missiles with half the TNT equivalent could oneshot. I think one of the reasons why it wasnt hit as hard by the atgm nerf is because it fires the missiles upwards so there is less chance of them just randomly slamming into the ground.
no its because the swingfire has thrust vectoring and is just in general a much more agile missile than most another ATGM's of the same era
Swingfire on release had the missile follow the middle of the sight regardless of where the crosshair was... meaning it was not effected by depression. That was changed two years ago. It did however benefit from the improved overpressure system, being the actual warhead is a HEAT/HESH Hybrid.
The recent patch has done nothing to the Swingfire other than introduce a visible cable, the other ATGMS were simply given realistic effects (the missile loses altitude just before the engine ignites), Making them less OP. But the Swingfire was not effected because it's very design was to overcome these problems in real life (It shoots upwards to negate any drop of the missile and to make it easier to hit the top of a tank).
Swingfire missile was released in the early 60's and was not replaced until the 00's by Javelin, Even the later Striker is older than the M901 ITV.
Since it was released, i have always had a Swingfire in my lineup, even at top tier. I do however take the striker as well since that was released. It's extremely satisfying taking out T-90's with a 60 year old missile. Just need to find cover and be slightly elevated, aim for the top of the enemy tank and no armour stops it.
Well, they said they updated missiles flight model to be more realistic, so it makes sense an ATGM that can make a 90 degree pivot out of the launch tub would be more maneuverable than others (as some one else noted they use thrust vectoring.) Personally I find it funny that when they made that change basically all ATGMs got way harder to control except the swingfire, which actually got a lot better (you can now hit targets within 50m where as before it was more like a 150m to 200m minimum) almost like Gaijin just admitted they were giving British ATMGs worse flight models just because.
I can't really say anything about the damage, from my experience it is still all over the place.
@@commandoepsilon4664 If you look at the history of the Swingfire... you actually start to really appreciate it.
Swingfire was way ahead of it's time. The sighting mechanism can actually be detached from the vehicle and used by infantry on foot. Allowing the vehicle to fire whilst 0 parts are exposed.
It was also the inspiration behind the Javelin.
From the start of the TOW missiles life, America insisted that Britain ditched the Swingfire and purchase TOW missiles stating that the lighter and smaller TOW was better. TOW was infact inferior to Swingfire in absolutely everyway and as the TOW evolved, it just copied the Swingfire, eventually becoming just as big as the Swingfire completely negating Americas points. TOW always required a line of sight from the launcher, whilst the Swingfire never did (It could be manually controlled or controlled via an detached/Attached optical device). This bothered America so much that they said they would restrict access to other products... UK still said no and then partnered with Sweden, Germany and Italy on various projects. This forced USA to make the Javelin... and only then did UK say ok.
After Javelin was designed, TOW was upgraded to Radio-Controlled rather than guide by wire, in a attempt to keep TOW relevant on the battlefield.
it can still do that, just change the rangefinder, to be on the target, i did it like 1 month ago
The sight distance control also works for the QN906. elevating the launcher means its more likely to see people behind cover and Ive had pretty good success with it
How does this work? I am a bit lost on what he means by using sight distance control
@@xmasterchini6the range on the crosshairs if you increase that it elevates guns and launcher.
This does highlight a few things I've been saying about ATGMs, even before the ATGM agility change, they were ultimately always more an area denial weapon than something like a cannon at the same BR. Especially for higher BR ones. I could take out the VAB Mephisto, and risk facing APS/IRCM that literally nullifies it entirely, or I could take out an AMX-10RC or an AMX-30 with LRF/Thermals/APFSDS.
There isn't that many tanks with active protection systems or IRCM on 8.3 to 9.0 so it isn't that much of a concern
@@heliogonzalezsanchez8227 There aren't many, but when you're a tank destroyer, it does sounds silly when some tanks you can meet can just ignore you entirely. Shoutout to getting uptiered in the MEPHISTO and facing a PUMA.
Ultimately the slower speed of ATGM does mean that ultimately unless you are pretty passive, someone shooting back at you can usually get away with it scot free or evade your missile if you're hulldown.
@@Martin-ot6kwthey moved the puma up (finally) to 9.7. as soon as it gets spikes i think it should be at 10.7 or 11.0 though
Next up: Britain Makes Worst Light Ta...oh wait there's still no light tank line after 8 years.
Vickers vfm:
Dingo, Saladin, Ferret, Fox armoured cars
Play the Object 685, it’s a light tank so it will be perfect for you, has a very nice APHE round, dart round for more armored targets, and sits pretty good right at 8.7. My boy doesn’t get enough love
one of the recent updates buffed the swingfire missile's initial turn and made it so much more usable, i used to have a minimum distance of like 300m in both this and the striker. the missile's name is literally because of the high-g turns it makes upon leaving the tube and it couldnt do it properly
Yep. The swingfire's incredible agility comes from thrust vectoring. I'm very glad they buffed it, because I've been complaining about it's atrocious minimum range for a while.
3:18 the decision to use a dodgeball sound effect for the atgm was hilarious
The swingfire is surprisingly good, just a shame it's not MCLOS (like IRL) with a SACLOS upgrade. I am fairly certain the sight periscope should have significantly more depression, but snail doesn't care about anything british enough to google simple stats. Another niche tank with surprisingly solid performance is the CA Lorraine, really want to see it played.
The Canaervon being unbothered is the only reason I play it. Everyone thinks you have no armor but you actually have quite a bit
He pronounces it weird lol. Like Cuh-nar-vun instead of cair-ner-von
@@jspenethat's how it's pronounced though?
"No one is dumb enough to go through this route"
Bro forgot he was playing against Germany
Hey Spookston, could the next British vehicle you play be the Conqueror heavy tank? It’s round has almost 500 mm of penetration, it is pretty fast for its size, and it has a really well armored turret AND a full stabilizer all at 7.7. It’s one of my favorite tanks in the game.
Day 5
Is it only good when Aced? I keep getting uptiered and it just doesn't compare to a lot of other heavies of the same BR
@@thelonecookie3592 not really a huge difference, I just play it as a sniper and when someone tries to shoot me I wiggle my mantlet since that is a weak spot, but the turret cheeks are basically invincible. Just make sure you get the add on armor ASAP, it makes heat rounds much harder to kill you. In fact, I don’t recall a time I’ve ever been one hit by another tank in it, it is very survivable. But make sure you don’t expose your hull too much since it isn’t super strong and the sides aren’t great either. It is great at peek-a-boo sniping since it is fully stabilized
@@thelonecookie3592I just unlocked it, excited to try out what everyone talks so highly of… it sucks lol. More shells shattered than the 105mm or 84mm. Slow reload. Slow movement. Gets one-shot from pretty much any Russian vehicle at that BR. I can go 4-6 kills and no deaths in the Vickers Mk1, but I rarely get a single kill in the conquerer. Hoping it gets better as I spade it
@@DominicDarrell I had the exact same experience when I first got it, I just learned to use it more like a sniper than a heavy tank since it isn’t good as the latter. The 20 second reload hurts but is manageable as long as you k of where ammo is on the tanks you kill. Generally ammo is either to the side of the driver or on the floor of the hull below the turret. You can also try using HESH but that’s only really good against light vehicles
@@DominicDarrell This is a skill issue, its not an amazing tank, but it can be played very effectively, last match I got 9 kills 0 deaths in the Conqueror, plenty of bounces. If you know anything about the vehicles design and history you would know how to deploy it and it is effective when deployed correctly. OddBawz played it lately and he likes it quite a lot, Phly played it, got plenty of kills but said it is mid and I dont disagree, fact is though that you can definitely rack up kills and also bounce shots so long as you are in a good position and facing targets that you are comfortable facing. The Conqueror is one of the most HEAT resistant Heavy Tanks in the game with its spaced armor and very thick strongpoints, HEAT is forced to target crew one by one and/or get lost in the overlapping breach area. The APDS should be doing more damage than it is, the Chieftains round which is slightly heavier and also slower seems to have a much girthier damage profile which the Conqueror should be getting too with its more brittle sabot material, resulting in post penetration shattering which really should be deadly to crew inside a vehicle.
I did find the Striker that also uses Swingfires quite fun to play at times with its thermal sight, although due to the proliferation of better thermals around its battle rating it's not as fun anymore. it's worth mentioning that the sight placement on Striker is worse than on Swingfire, but the thermal sight can somewhat compensate for that.
Hello Spookston!
I love your videos and you really helped me getting better at WT.
I wanted to ask you If you could try the T-34 1942!
Thank you :D
I'd consider the Type 60 ATM worse than this. Fun fact, I've actually driven the base vehicle for this, the FV432.
Also you should try the Japanese STA1/2/3/Type 61 (they're all kinda the same), decent mobility, good gun and great sight magnification makes them pretty fun to play.
this might be the perfect balance of you having an awful time but every once in a while pulling something off that brings you a touch of joy.
Fun fact, the sight control thing has been patched out for all vehicles that have only atgms. It still works for vehicles that have normal munitions though.
I would like to recommend the T-26E1-1, it’s a really strong tank when you have a good team, only problem is that the teams aren’t always good.
Honestly I i feel like the swingfire got significantly easier to use after the ATGM changes,
Since the missile requires significant direction change after launched, it used to not be able to defend against close targets. But after the changes, the engagement range of the missiles got significantly more responsive and easier to close fire
Spookston is canonically the father of those missles now. He is such a good father he encourages them 🙂. Great job Spookie.
This thing actually got a huge shadow buff. The missles used to shoot out the launcher into the sky before coming down, this made close range impossible. They removed this in last update
you should try the type 87 anti air. It is basically a Geoard with a faster gun and a amazing too speed.
“Oh god”
/Cuts away from death/
“At least i got out that match fast”
That line and the cut away got me dying 😂
daaaamn you were in a good mood both playing and editing huh? super funny thank you very much!!
I really like it how the music sounds quiter than usual, it's much less distracting this way
I've only used the swedish missile carriers but out of those 3 I really like the pbv 302. The two first were just a hassle and not fun to play but the top attack of the Pbv 302 makes it very fun imo. It kinda feels busted slinging a rocket over cover and killing the tank behind it but also so satisfying.
Britain making the worst things imaginable and getting asked to leave NATO again is truly the sequal we all needed.
i have to say i really love the sound fxs you add when you kill something, makes it feel so mcuh more satesfying.
I love watching your videos, generally entertaining with the editing of comedically timed sounds and images.
10/10
Hey Spook, you should play the Semovente 75/46 M43. It's a deeply overshadowed italian tank destroyer which can deliver an heavy punch but it's deeply ignored the potential it has. I am not gonna surrender in proposing this.
(Day 59)
Was wondering if you could play the Shturm S. It has proxy fused missiles for anti air, fairly good controllable missiles and gen 2 thermals at 8.3.
Peace.
I like that you can actually see the wire trailing behind the missile. Nice little detail
I love you for adding my favorite ed edd n eddy sound effect 13:41
Here is a funny challange for Spookston and Oddbawz:
Player 1: takes the wiesel 1A4
Player 2: goes in the 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl
Gameplay: Player 1 scouts, and tells the distance with its laser range finder to Player 2, and Player 2 can snipe.👍
Note: the Wiesel 1A4 now has gen 3 thermals for some reason 💀💀.
Swingfire also used to have "feature" when re-munitioning was faster than reloading, so if you managed to stay at cap you got increased fire rate. You could quite go "artillery mode" this way }:3
It still does doesn't it? Unless it's been removed in the past couple weeks, I had a game where I just shat about 40 missiles at an object 268 while sat on the cap
Thank you for having a timestamp for when the video actually starts (after the sponsorship).
Day 71 😢 of asking for the Canadian QF.7 RAM tank destroyer if you didn’t like the archer this might be a step up (basically a smaller VFW) I know you’ve seen this spookston you have no choice :)
Hey Spookston, have you considered playing a whole line-up instead of one vehicle? Like, playing Britain 7.3 instead of just the Swingfire. That way you have more options depending on the map. Could add more variety
6:42 the nostalgic 'grunt birthday party' sound effect gave me a smile :)
It is never boring watching your videos amigo. Also the amount of kick assery you do is actually inspiring me to continue the grind.
Would you likely do a video on the Russian T-90A ? I thought it would be appropriate given what’a happening in our world.
I’ve been maining Britain latley at the pain expresses in this video definitely hit the nail on the head. Another great one spook
Spookston: this tank is bad
: proceeds to get 10 kills in the tank
“Spookston after discovering how to adjust the sights”
Spookston: This is big brain time
Spookston playing british vehicles makes the funniest content
I love the Swingfire. Amazing for shooting over your cover and getting cheeky ATGM kills across long distances while being concealed. The latter part of the video showcases this quite well.
Spookston: worried about gun depression
Also Spookston: mentions it has a high fire arch (commander optics left the game)
the sight distance control trick is something i've learned works pretty well with some ATGM carriers.
I highly recommend the Tank Museum's video on this thing, very cool to see how it actually worked IRL
I would recommend to use the sight from the gunner's perspective in the settings for ATGM carriers. It works really well.
the snap cut from the muzzle flash at 8:25 is an underrated joke
I love the Swingfire, both missile and carrier. Missiles that make sharp turns after emerging from the launcher are great, similar to VLS-launched SAMs
i want a list of spookston sound effects. love em.
Fun fact you can scroll your mouse wheel to make the camera for your atgm go down lower
Finally, I get to see Spookston destroy everyone in a tank I'm lucky to get a single kill with
Speaking of the ATGM nerf, the Type-89’s missile will now dip and swing so close to the ground upon launch that it’s virtually impossible to make any close-mid range hits
Tip use binoculars to aim at someone with the atgm if you can’t see them with your gun sights
“Gaijin can we have spikes?”
“We have spikes at home”
Spikes at home:
The Striker still has good guidance as well. I also low key hate but love that half the time from the Bradley your TOWs literally will just plop out of the tube and hit the ground now before igniting
Great stuff as always. Maybe try the BMD-4? it has good missiles and stupid reload with great mobility at 8.7
2:43 Muffled audio from tank crewman gags is a favorite of mine in War Thunder edits. I’m surprised I haven’t heard Downfall’s Hitler in WT edits until now.
I love playing the swingfire with my friends, another tank I like playing is the T 30 with its massive HE shell
I lost it when the Leopard 1 started screaming and shooting the MG at you bro LMAO
Anything british: *exists*
Spookston: And I took that personally
Loved the Grunt Birthday Party 🎉 sound effect please keep it for future turret pops ❤
Spooks a real one for putting ad break in the time stamps
That muffled Hitler rage from the Leopard at 2:40 had me in tears 🤣🤣🤣
Hey spookston, love the content. I know you hate naval, but I urge you to try the USS Wilkinson, Moffet, and Helena. I'm particularly fond of the Wilkinson, 2 autoloading 127mm guns, they pack more filler than the regular 5 inch guns and you have 2 autoloading twin barrel 76mm turrets that have radio fuse rounds, I absolutely annihilate planes and it chews up ships pretty quickly especially at close range. It's a blast to play.
This is pure spookston 200IQ move, he makes an IS6 broken video, makes everybody take out their IS6s and destroys them with ATGM missiles
Im pretty sure in one of the newest updates they made the swingfire able to make its rocket go down more when you are in close combat
At 6:03 when you got shot by the OBJ-120, the reason you got hit was cause APFSDS shells can punch though small amounts of dirt/sand and still have some pen left, from what i remember the pen does scale with the amount of terrain you try and shoot through.
this is the same reason that digging a trench and having that small mound of dirt Infront of your tank doesn't stop people in the Leo-2A6 from penning your lower front plate. have fun with that
😃
Lmao, I avoid your 'usual' play area on Karelia as much as I can xD
the patch that nerfed almost all atgms made the swingfires even more manouverable, up to the point where you can hit things 40m infront of you. before it you struggled with targets 200m away
The only thing that should be cresting a hill is your little periscope, which allows you to guide missiles without having to expose any of the vehicle, this should make it one of the best ATGM carriers in the game, and its successor, the Striker CVR(T) combines that with being based on the fastest production tank ever made.
Unfortunately gaijin has a habit of modelling British vehicles, badly to say the least. You just have to look at the performance of the Chieftain's shell for an example
Spookston *everytime* he shots the ATGM :
"Go on missile, *GO ON* "
3:46 I really want a sound mod in game with all the Spookston edit sounds lmao
Anytime someone asks you to play a British vehicle, they are just asking you to feel their suffering.
The edits and memes are so good i died💀.
Your sound effects were particularly on point today
Cutting immediately to the loading screen when the turm fired is peak comedy
spook: hopefully i can damage the mauses transmition - maus having a hybrid electric drive XD
The way my brain lit up hearing the Grunt Birthday Party sound effect, oh my god I am beyond help
Angry Downfall bunker man when you stole the kill made me choke on my drink
13:33 My favorite sound effect. Ed, Edd, and Eddy made good use of it.
Nothing like getting Gaijined on your very first shot to set the mood.
I don’t ever see these things anymore but it doesn’t seem too bad considering the new ATGM controls 🤔
The rubber dodgeball sound for the IS-6 kill gave me flashbacks, lol.
Worth keeping in mind that this is a typical example of an esoteric British vehicle that cant be properly modelled / used properly in a video game like warthunder.
IRL, the Gunner sight can be detached and moved up to 100 metres from the vehicle, so you could park this thing behind a hill (or even sideways in an alleyway) and fire missiles over it at incoming soviet tanks.
6:23 you are behind the hill, but some shells can go through small pieces of ground.
You not gonna mention how the guy who has a vendetta against you in one game ends up being your squad mate in the next
Thats wild on Karelia i've been playing for 9 years and I never play the right side of the map, always the left side.
1:56 lmao that's funny, cause it's the exact opposite for me. I never play by the cliffs/water.
Keeping up with this series I think Spookston should play the tortoise until he can get a nuke, for the ultimate schadenfreude.