Minato has so many potential win conditions with Flying Thunder God, pure power scaling isn't enough to decide a clear winner. His battle IQ is off the charts, so he would think of them as well. He just has to be faster than his opponents, which he is.
@@Virhtueyou forgot to mention that all minato needs to do is touch his opponents once so how would madara swap hands with minato at all you would have to have madara fighting out of character and just starting the battle off with a susanoo or if he doesn’t minato will place a tag on him and its literally ggs he will have infinite access to his body whenever he wants
minato loses to hashirama speed is everything only when minato is massively faster its characters that can keep pace to him. minato can beat madara hashirama etc if they're not trying
Like a rogue beating a warrior, it might take the rogue 20+ stabs, and the warrior only needs one or two, but if the warrior can never hit the rogue, it doesn’t matter how strong the warrior is!
@@Virhtue but i dont get it. If minato's body flicker is really insanely fast how come he always always have to rely/depend on FTG in literally all his fights. But in the war arc, all of a sudden he is out speeding the hokages 😂. Kishimooto is confusing me.
Remember, minato's biggest weakness is that he died young, at least a decade before proper maturity. Kakashi and Guy are like a fraction of his power by the time they the age Minato died.
Tobirama was not killed by Gin and Kin by themselves. Doubt they both were even there as it’s implied that Gin(I think which ever one is the weaker one) died before Kin and caused him to go into that tailed beasts form like in the war. Also the way it reads it seems like even if prime hiruzen went back as the sacrifice he would’ve been killed too because it seems like they all were completely exhausted or just about out of chakra. You can be a fan of Minato and not a fan of Tobirama while still acknowledging the full context of the situation. You don’t have shit on one to praise the other.
Minato absolutely defeated Obito to the point of him even having to retreat. But let's not forget that was a 14 year old Obito. In Naruto, the age of a character plays a huge role of their power gap, especially main characters. 1 or 2 years can be a mountain of power difference especially going from childhood to adolescence to adulthood.
Hot take: I don’t see how Minato deals with Kinkaku and Ginkaku. For 2 reasons: 1. I don’t think Minato’s rasengan or his kunai are strong enough to punch thru the version 2 cloaks. 2. How does he deal with the hax of the Six Paths Tools? The only reason Darui dealt with them was by luck and that’s even with prior knowledge of their abilities which Minato would not have.
His rasengan while he is in someone elses mind scape aka nerfed while not even a hokage at the very least though i think it takes place before the third great binka war rivaled a full 9 tails bijuu bonb and cancelled it out bothe were nerfed unquantifiably and kurama also states that he is a powerful Shinobi ranking alongside the first hokage
W vid so far. Minato could catch a cocky Madara off guard, but final Valley he was about that action. Minato would win one out of 1000 or something. Better chance placing the contract seal and ftg mark, then just go home. Sense him going to sleep and attempt an assassin Replace Mito with adult Kushina and you actually have a good fight
All minato has to do to madara is place a ftg seal on him in a taijutsu exchange and its ggs he would have infinite access to his body that would allow him to get off any of his seal slice his neck or even hit him with multiple rasengans which will definitely kill him on the other hand ems madara has no way to hit minato at all nothing! plus minato has sage mode in his bag which he already used on madara so it wouldn’t be out of character for him to use it again!
@@LilShiro05my only argument against this is that minatos sage mode is sorta bad for some reason like henis incapable of maintaining it for whatever reason i don't know and for some odd reason never has ma and pa sit on his shoulders and maintain it for him
This is a shaky talk and it’s a discussion for a video, but ofc I’ll still give you an answer and it’s; it’s probably more consistent to say he is planetary rather than not
sorry but I think you miss understood what madara ment with being pressured, he simply ment that this is the first time he's been pushed that hard, like with his fight with hashirama. That dosent mean anything about strength because preasure is relative. Also statements dirrectly invalidate this statement as it being power, since kurama said teen minato jonin minato was rivaling the power of hashirama, and it's stated by kakashi and tsunade that naruto is at the level or has surpassed minato when naruto was in sage mode fighting pain
The only way i can see minato beating madara is by using that one jutsu that just teleported a bijuu bomb right on top of madara and hoping it crack the susanoo and then using his sealing jutsu or if he gets a thunder god seal on madara earlier in the fight before the susanoo then he might be able to teleport inside of it and fight there or something I don't know
This is by definition not what that means, this is stated wrong, Tobirama states his clone isn’t even fast enough to enter it and Minato blitzes his own timers in base and the fourth databook says he improved upon what Tobirama had, honing to perfection, so there are no semantics, Minato is better.
You know what’s hilarious is that minato only used the death seal so he could split karama in two he can easily seal it without dying so he can just seal it in him beat it up take kcm1 use sage mode and bing bang boom
So I’m gonna guess considering how you try to scale minato which I don’t at all agree with btw, you’re going to say he beats everyone who is in Madara it hashirama tier.
also i see a lot of these comments were just based on people just looking at the title without watching the video, they jus saw death match and thought minato would be fighting the hokages 1v1, but your wrong and opperating on bias
One got sealed Kurama away, and the other got eaten by it? True but didn't the same one who sealed him away also get one shot and killed by a fingernail and the other two literally surived being eaten and living inside it, eating it, and gaining V2 Cloak chakara from it and because they were literally eating Kurama from the inside out, had to spit them out. Kinkaku and Ginkaku are such menaces that they even though they got eaten by the strongest Bijuu had to be spit out cause they were eating Kurama inside out and after being spit out they got even more stronger, but Minato said he could barely handle half the Nine Tails, plus Kin and Gin had 18 other shinobi that made Tobirama think that they were good enough to be at a certain level
I feel like you kinda downplayed minato a bit in the ems madera section. Like if minato can create barriers and has sealing justu to take out the full nine tails while low on chakra and in some cases near death I don’t think it would be an be an overall victory for madera if he wipes out his perfect sussano.
My personal opinion war arc kakashi just surpasses the sannin entirely entering the legendary shinibi status along the likes of hanzo or sakumo the white fang characters who are either stated to be abive the sannin altogether or have beaten them in a fight
Godaime and Rokudaime Hokage are likely not going to die as the strongest shinobi in their era. Sasuke also is set to surpass Minato, so that statement is likely not universal. Obito did not actually want to kill Naruto. He just wanted to separate Kushina and Minato. Killing Naruto would not have helped him, so he could have just let Minato catch him. All of the bijū are the same age, and all have experiences going back a thousand years, Hachibi for example was able to recognize the Shinju as the Jūbi's final form. So it just seems their chakra is better handled through a host in general unless Isobu is especially stupid, which is not really suggested. Sasuke did not use the Armored Susanoo against Danzō, that was the weaker humanoid form. The Two Lights went after Kurama before Madara did, which was before Tobirama's era, obviously, so they already had their Kurama powers against him. Tobirama frequently steals from Minato. Originally the Hiraishin was actually Minato's original jutsu before Kishimoto changed his mind. The village enemies section only includes up to the Konoha Kuzushi in the manga, and predates even Itachi's introduction, so likely is not referring to the Akatsuki at all.
@@Virhtue Orochimaru then says he is set to surpass Madara who is above both Minato and Itachi. The point is that those are not mutually exclusive, and that statement is likely not an absolute in that sense, either.
if it were a fresh Minato vs Gin and Kin then sure he wins but iirc Tobirama way weakened when he sacrificed himself, i hate that people use that to say Tobirama was weak as if it was a fair fight, Tobirama def deserves more respect.
Can you maybe do KCM2 Minato vs each version of Madara? I believe KCM2 Minato scales to, or possibly above, Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto… Considering Minato was mental-nerfed the entire battle against Juubito, and he was not shown inferior to Naruto for the most part…. I believe Edo Madara scale’s above Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke… And as I’ve said, and I know you agree, Minato was mental-nerfed during the Juubito-battle…. So Edo KCM2 Minato should be relative to Edo Madara, or possibly scale above…. I just want your opinion on the topic
@@trell_a because he’s just not 💀 he’s not relative to Hashirama at all. It’s common sense. WM Obito is even above KCM 2 Minato and he’d get slammed by Hashirama and Madara
@@ImCelest That's not even an argument. You're just saying ____ would slam ____ because of _____ With no real premise. I'm not tryna spite you, I actually wanna know your reasoning, a GOOD reason... something that isn't just "common sense". For me, I say Madara's combat speed, AP, durability, and stamina ofc all scale above KCM Minato. With KCM Minato being very-early eighth-gates guy level. From a Narrative perspective, all fingers point towards Madara obviously tho.
@@trell_a I could name tons of feats but I just simply don’t need to because Madara outscales Minato that badly. It’s like comparing Itachi to Teen Rinnegan Sasuke. What would Minato even do the moment Madara decides to use Perfect Susanoo(it wouldn’t even get that far in the first place)
The Minato who dodged kurama also said kushina was more powerful than him. This kashina did not have perfect control over the nine tails and so if your Idea that karama is the same power as a gin Cherokee because of kurama's intelligence then kushina being in control of kurama should not affect the power. Obviously kashina has a lot of chakra, and The multiplicative factor of additional chakra channeled through through a Shinobi is what makes The jinjuriki a threat, not Intel.
kushina was considered the best candidate for becoming the next nine tails jinchuriki beacuase of the amount of chakra and type of chakra she had was special and suited perfectly for sealing tailed beasts and still surviving even after having the nine tails extracted. I mean she was able to create a sealing barrier that held the nine tails inside and and prime hiruzen out. and she restrained the nine tails for a bit and she sealed enough chakra into naruto to help restrain the nine tails again.
I've been debating people on Minato vs Hashi and Madara 1v1 but I just don't seem them hitting him on the contrary I can't see Minato doing massive amounts of damage. CQC doesn't really matter yes, tobirama got bodied but minato is even faster on top of this madara had sage mode in the rinnegan way better than ems I do think a normal rasengan can hurt base Madara and his susano until the final 2 stages.
@@Virhtue last thing virthue don't mean to bother you but minato's jujutsu activation speed is insane like with FTG escaping 8th gate guy in TSO and escapes Obito's Kamui while literally being sucked in. he also has sage He can also slam gammabunta down and his rasengan, did a clash with the nine tails granted it wasn't fully there but minato was also heavily fatigued and as you said he got stronger over time in I don't think it's crazy to say he can't make giant rasengan not massive but giant meaning he should definitely have Tailed Beast AP it didn't kill Obito because he wasn't trying too imo killing him wouldn't stop Obito (Madara) from getting control over the nine tails so he held back on purpose as you see he stops the rasengan before it finishes to plant a FTG seal. Also great video you been cooking with content lately, i think he with sage mode which is better than Jariya's I am of the opinion that Jubidarra knocked him out of sage mode not that it's actually like a 2 second thing just that he couldn't maintain it With that being said being said I think he wins High difficulty. madara literally has nothing that can tag him, I also believe that minato might have the slight speed edge in CQC but EMS is nuts but so is FTG in BF.
Loses to Madara Beats Gin and Kin and the platoon assuming he isn’t exhausted (I do think Tobirama and Hiruzen both would’ve killed them as well if they weren’t exhausted) Smokes Orochimaru boots probably by sealing him. Beats Pain with information or without it I think he’d figure it out much quicker than Jiraiya Hashirama>>>> Minato(not close) Tobirma vs Minato is always fun because they are essentially the same character with Tobirama being the more versatile Justu wise whike Minato is more versatile in Sealing and slightly faster. I think if they fight 10 times minato wins 6/10 times. Beats Hiruzen that we get to see Beats Tsunade Smokes Danzo Probably loses to Kakashi(Hokage).
Lol why do you use tobiramas avatar and like hate his guts and be like weakest hokage maybe tsunade level on his best day all his feats don’t really count cause if you base it off the pixel distance of panel 2 on page 3 of the chapter he fights jubito kishimoto clearly was trying to show that minato stomps his ass and that tobirama was the weakest hokage like god damn dude lol just use minatos avatar then Jesus Christ. Like you sound mad that it’s some people even think tobirama is kinda strong not that they think he is god tier cause he clearly isn’t but just that he isn’t trash and that it’s just unacceptable for anyone to believe that. It’s your video do you bro but jeez it gets to be a little excessive the tobirama hate and minato=god of shinobi strongest hokage one shots ishiki stuff 😳😂
I’ve have put so much respect on Tobirama’s name but half the community thinks Tobirama is above Base Hashirama and comparable to Sage Hashirama in speed, I love Tobirama, he’s my whole channel icon yet I have to be honest when it comes to his scaling.
Itachi definitely had the potential to be as powerful as Minato. He matched him in a lot of merits. I do thank you for putting respect on Minato though. Minato does get slapped by Madara though. Bro and I say all the time Madara was equal to Hashirama and was only very slightly weaker because of chakra and sage mode. I do think Tobimara is more powerful than Minato though. Madara pretty much stated that Hashirama and Tobimara were the two strongest beings besides himself on the battle field. When they beat Tobimara wasn't it said it was them plus 18 other S ranked ninja so he basically faught their Akatsuki.
No, it’s not. “Naruto used speed when Fukasaku thinks he surpassed Minato, therefore SM > Minato” if you run with this, then by all means run with SM > OM Obito, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Tsunade, Itachi, Pain, KCM1 Naruto, The fourth Raikage, Early EMS Sasuke, KCM2 Naruto and there are many more
Minato is in a similar ball park to. Itachi Nagato Tobirama etc.. he is not in any way shape or form close to Madara or Hashirama. Please stop entertaining this thought.
Nothing in Minato's arsenal can beat the guy who took down 100% Kyuubi and EMS Madara when all Minato has is 50% and better speed. He shouldn't be compared to madara since madara has greater feats then hokage Minato.
blitzing kurama isn't an impressive feat kurama isn't fast at all non sequitur minato is overrated. minato can beat all hokage just like the hokage can beat him.
@@3rday600yet you don’t know what a non seq is? 😭😭😭, his premise was that he blitzed Kurama, who is responsible for KCM2, thus he would scale to KCM2, his conclusion is implied by his premise. Yap yap yappity yap
Minato is also born with natural perception speeds surpassing the sharigan. Speeds raikage uses lightning chakra to achieve
And nearly two decades of training
@@Virhtue and still was only equal to Jonin Minato's Bodyflicker 🙏
Minato steals kurama from madara and seals the full thing in himself then instantly goes KCM1 plus sage mode, bing bap boom
😭
Another Minato glaze. Let's go.
Oh yeah!
Minato has so many potential win conditions with Flying Thunder God, pure power scaling isn't enough to decide a clear winner. His battle IQ is off the charts, so he would think of them as well. He just has to be faster than his opponents, which he is.
Minato is stupidly smart and notice how I never even had to mention it?!
@@Virhtue exactly
@@Virhtueyou forgot to mention that all minato needs to do is touch his opponents once so how would madara swap hands with minato at all you would have to have madara fighting out of character and just starting the battle off with a susanoo or if he doesn’t minato will place a tag on him and its literally ggs he will have infinite access to his body whenever he wants
He isn’t that smart
minato loses to hashirama speed is everything only when minato is massively faster its characters that can keep pace to him. minato can beat madara hashirama etc if they're not trying
Appreciate you for being a power scaler who rightfully puts respect on my boy Minato
Have to
He solos these guys because he stands alone as the fast one
True
Like a rogue beating a warrior, it might take the rogue 20+ stabs, and the warrior only needs one or two, but if the warrior can never hit the rogue, it doesn’t matter how strong the warrior is!
@@Virhtue but i dont get it. If minato's body flicker is really insanely fast how come he always always have to rely/depend on FTG in literally all his fights. But in the war arc, all of a sudden he is out speeding the hokages 😂. Kishimooto is confusing me.
@@kelvinallen9327 kishimoto nerfed him in war cuz he was having issues with his own dad
ngl its looking like alot of people commented b4 actually watching the video lmao
Yeah, probably did
Nah this is a fire video bro
Thank you!
Minato could use The Flying Thunder God to teleport The Bijuu Bombs to Madera like what The 2nd Hokage did to Obito with his truth seeking orb.
Yeah, I would recommend watching my hokage vs Juubito is misread as you can also see how Minato was going to use guiding thunder on the TSU
I misunderstood your question, good video.
Thank you goat!
Loses to Hashirama
Beats Tobirama
Beats Hiruzen
Beats Tsunade
Loses to Kakashi
Loses to Naruto
Perfect opinion!
Loses to kakashi???
kakashi a tossup idk
DESTOYS Kakashi.
Losses to tobirama it's hokage minato not kcm
goated vid! would love to collab with you
Saucy virhtue coming through
Always
Remember, minato's biggest weakness is that he died young, at least a decade before proper maturity. Kakashi and Guy are like a fraction of his power by the time they the age Minato died.
W vid
Thank you goat
Tobirama was not killed by Gin and Kin by themselves. Doubt they both were even there as it’s implied that Gin(I think which ever one is the weaker one) died before Kin and caused him to go into that tailed beasts form like in the war. Also the way it reads it seems like even if prime hiruzen went back as the sacrifice he would’ve been killed too because it seems like they all were completely exhausted or just about out of chakra. You can be a fan of Minato and not a fan of Tobirama while still acknowledging the full context of the situation. You don’t have shit on one to praise the other.
I’ve said this many times
Thank you for this, i quit the video after the ginkaku and kinkaku part and only came to read comments
Take a shot every time virtue mentions his other videos lol.
Gotta educate you guys somehow
@@Virhtue I know, I’ve watched all of them. that’s the funny part!😂
Minato absolutely defeated Obito to the point of him even having to retreat. But let's not forget that was a 14 year old Obito.
In Naruto, the age of a character plays a huge role of their power gap, especially main characters. 1 or 2 years can be a mountain of power difference especially going from childhood to adolescence to adulthood.
Hot take: I don’t see how Minato deals with Kinkaku and Ginkaku. For 2 reasons: 1. I don’t think Minato’s rasengan or his kunai are strong enough to punch thru the version 2 cloaks. 2. How does he deal with the hax of the Six Paths Tools?
The only reason Darui dealt with them was by luck and that’s even with prior knowledge of their abilities which Minato would not have.
His Rasengan is stated to be😭😭
His rasengan while he is in someone elses mind scape aka nerfed while not even a hokage at the very least though i think it takes place before the third great binka war rivaled a full 9 tails bijuu bonb and cancelled it out bothe were nerfed unquantifiably and kurama also states that he is a powerful Shinobi ranking alongside the first hokage
W vid so far.
Minato could catch a cocky Madara off guard, but final Valley he was about that action.
Minato would win one out of 1000 or something. Better chance placing the contract seal and ftg mark, then just go home. Sense him going to sleep and attempt an assassin
Replace Mito with adult Kushina and you actually have a good fight
Thank you goat
All minato has to do to madara is place a ftg seal on him in a taijutsu exchange and its ggs he would have infinite access to his body that would allow him to get off any of his seal slice his neck or even hit him with multiple rasengans which will definitely kill him on the other hand ems madara has no way to hit minato at all nothing! plus minato has sage mode in his bag which he already used on madara so it wouldn’t be out of character for him to use it again!
@@LilShiro05my only argument against this is that minatos sage mode is sorta bad for some reason like henis incapable of maintaining it for whatever reason i don't know and for some odd reason never has ma and pa sit on his shoulders and maintain it for him
Wait, alive Minato scales to kcm2 in your opinion? Or did i get that wrong?
TGs Minato glaze goes crazy sometimes
Base wise Hes sage/KCM naruto at best.KCM2’s a glaze.
@@Archer170 you don't know how to scale buddy
This isn’t TG, this is my scaling TG was neutral on Minato scaling until I brought these metas to him, and he still is publicly neutral💀
It is consistent to say the least
Virhtue, do you believe hashirama is planetary??
No. No one is.
@@i.q.1979 but what about Goku?
@@i.q.1979 well, he has defeated kurama who is stated to be planet level
@@PsoLivin Kurama is planetary. Those databooks tend to exaggerate.
This is a shaky talk and it’s a discussion for a video, but ofc I’ll still give you an answer and it’s; it’s probably more consistent to say he is planetary rather than not
sorry but I think you miss understood what madara ment with being pressured, he simply ment that this is the first time he's been pushed that hard, like with his fight with hashirama. That dosent mean anything about strength because preasure is relative. Also statements dirrectly invalidate this statement as it being power, since kurama said teen minato jonin minato was rivaling the power of hashirama, and it's stated by kakashi and tsunade that naruto is at the level or has surpassed minato when naruto was in sage mode fighting pain
The only way i can see minato beating madara is by using that one jutsu that just teleported a bijuu bomb right on top of madara and hoping it crack the susanoo and then using his sealing jutsu or if he gets a thunder god seal on madara earlier in the fight before the susanoo then he might be able to teleport inside of it and fight there or something I don't know
Fun fact, Madara’s base Susanoo (without legs) can tank a full Kurama biju bomb
Sage Hashirama ~ Madara + Ems + Full Kurama + perfect susanoo
EDO Nagato + 6 Pains + shibaku tensei ~ Obito White Mask + 6 Edo Jinchurikis ~ Madara + Perfect susanoo ~ Naruto KCM 2 ~ Edo Itachi + MS + Armored Susanoo ~ Sasuke Ems + Armored Susanoo > Sage minato
Minato + MS >> Itachi + MS + Armored Susanoo ~ Obito Orange Mask + MS ~ Nagato Full Power + shibaku tensei > Sasuke Ems > Orochimaru + MS ~ Deva Path + Shibaku tensei ~ Orochimaru (Boruto) > Minato + 3 Tomoe Sharingan ~ Deva Path > Pain (Supressed) ~ Naruto Sage Mode + Rasenshuriken ~ Base Hashirama ~ Itachi + MS + Amatersau ~ Naruto 6 Tailed Cloak > Obito (14 years) ~ Minato Base > Orochimaru + 3 Tomoe Sharingan ~ Imperfect Sage Mode Jiraya + Odama Rasengan ~ Tsunade + 100 Healings (War arc) ~ Naruto Sage Mode ~ Minato Jonin = Itachi MS
Itachi MS (Uchiha Masacre) ~ Kurama Mindscape
Tobirama
Orochimaru + Edo Tensei
Naruto 4 Tailed Cloak
Hiruzen
Orochimaru with no Arms
Jiraya
Kakashi Hokage
26:20 when did this happe again? I don't remember seeing this
That was a Minato one shot special, so a mini manga series about Minato during his teen years
you should do minato vs each hokage next
I do have a Minato vs Hashirama video planned
@@Virhtuedo a Minato vs Tobirama
@@tiruktut9180 check my page I have a full vid on that
Handling a jutsu to perfection simply means you are good at it. Tobirama is just as good 👍
This is by definition not what that means, this is stated wrong, Tobirama states his clone isn’t even fast enough to enter it and Minato blitzes his own timers in base and the fourth databook says he improved upon what Tobirama had, honing to perfection, so there are no semantics, Minato is better.
You know what’s hilarious is that minato only used the death seal so he could split karama in two he can easily seal it without dying so he can just seal it in him beat it up take kcm1 use sage mode and bing bang boom
So I’m gonna guess considering how you try to scale minato which I don’t at all agree with btw, you’re going to say he beats everyone who is in Madara it hashirama tier.
You could just watch the video and change your stance on Minato?!
@@Virhtue o I still watched it, you know support and all, but that did not change my mind at all 😂
@@maku3857 where else do you think that he would lose?
also i see a lot of these comments were just based on people just looking at the title without watching the video, they jus saw death match and thought minato would be fighting the hokages 1v1, but your wrong and opperating on bias
Sure
One got sealed Kurama away, and the other got eaten by it? True but didn't the same one who sealed him away also get one shot and killed by a fingernail and the other two literally surived being eaten and living inside it, eating it, and gaining V2 Cloak chakara from it and because they were literally eating Kurama from the inside out, had to spit them out. Kinkaku and Ginkaku are such menaces that they even though they got eaten by the strongest Bijuu had to be spit out cause they were eating Kurama inside out and after being spit out they got even more stronger, but Minato said he could barely handle half the Nine Tails, plus Kin and Gin had 18 other shinobi that made Tobirama think that they were good enough to be at a certain level
I’ll drop this on you, you will never be able to prove Kin & Gin were in the second encounter
Minato was killed by the reaper death seal
I feel like you kinda downplayed minato a bit in the ems madera section. Like if minato can create barriers and has sealing justu to take out the full nine tails while low on chakra and in some cases near death I don’t think it would be an be an overall victory for madera if he wipes out his perfect sussano.
Someone saying I downplayed Minato…your right, I needa hype him more😈😈
A crazy fight would be Kakashi (War Arc) vs Orochimaru (Part 1)
Nooo… Kakashi slaughters
My personal opinion war arc kakashi just surpasses the sannin entirely entering the legendary shinibi status along the likes of hanzo or sakumo the white fang characters who are either stated to be abive the sannin altogether or have beaten them in a fight
Godaime and Rokudaime Hokage are likely not going to die as the strongest shinobi in their era.
Sasuke also is set to surpass Minato, so that statement is likely not universal.
Obito did not actually want to kill Naruto. He just wanted to separate Kushina and Minato. Killing Naruto would not have helped him, so he could have just let Minato catch him.
All of the bijū are the same age, and all have experiences going back a thousand years, Hachibi for example was able to recognize the Shinju as the Jūbi's final form. So it just seems their chakra is better handled through a host in general unless Isobu is especially stupid, which is not really suggested.
Sasuke did not use the Armored Susanoo against Danzō, that was the weaker humanoid form.
The Two Lights went after Kurama before Madara did, which was before Tobirama's era, obviously, so they already had their Kurama powers against him.
Tobirama frequently steals from Minato. Originally the Hiraishin was actually Minato's original jutsu before Kishimoto changed his mind.
The village enemies section only includes up to the Konoha Kuzushi in the manga, and predates even Itachi's introduction, so likely is not referring to the Akatsuki at all.
Sasuke is set up to surpass Itachi narratively😭
@@Virhtue Orochimaru then says he is set to surpass Madara who is above both Minato and Itachi. The point is that those are not mutually exclusive, and that statement is likely not an absolute in that sense, either.
Those tentacles are Gohan Blanco levels of trash
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u have so much aura king
Thank you goat
if it were a fresh Minato vs Gin and Kin then sure he wins but iirc Tobirama way weakened when he sacrificed himself, i hate that people use that to say Tobirama was weak as if it was a fair fight, Tobirama def deserves more respect.
Obito wasnt really trying to stab baby naruto, he was using strategy. He threw him up with the bombs.
“He wasn’t trying to stab him” he was just using a strategy that involved him stabbing Naruto
Can you maybe do KCM2 Minato vs each version of Madara? I believe KCM2 Minato scales to, or possibly above, Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto… Considering Minato was mental-nerfed the entire battle against Juubito, and he was not shown inferior to Naruto for the most part….
I believe Edo Madara scale’s above Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke… And as I’ve said, and I know you agree, Minato was mental-nerfed during the Juubito-battle….
So Edo KCM2 Minato should be relative to Edo Madara, or possibly scale above…. I just want your opinion on the topic
No he loses badly to Madara and is no where near Edo Madara lmao
@@ImCelest Why do you think that
@@trell_a because he’s just not 💀 he’s not relative to Hashirama at all. It’s common sense. WM Obito is even above KCM 2 Minato and he’d get slammed by Hashirama and Madara
@@ImCelest That's not even an argument. You're just saying ____ would slam ____ because of _____ With no real premise. I'm not tryna spite you, I actually wanna know your reasoning, a GOOD reason... something that isn't just "common sense".
For me, I say Madara's combat speed, AP, durability, and stamina ofc all scale above KCM Minato. With KCM Minato being very-early eighth-gates guy level.
From a Narrative perspective, all fingers point towards Madara obviously tho.
@@trell_a I could name tons of feats but I just simply don’t need to because Madara outscales Minato that badly. It’s like comparing Itachi to Teen Rinnegan Sasuke. What would Minato even do the moment Madara decides to use Perfect Susanoo(it wouldn’t even get that far in the first place)
Kcm 2 sage mode Naruto vs EMS madara is that a possible fight that can go on
Yes, it very much is
Minato beats every Hokage excepted Hashirama, Naruto and maybe Kakashi after shippuden (said to be stronger than in Shippuden)
Ong they should’ve made Minato be Tobirama or grandson… there too many similarities between them
True
Is kurama stated to be the most intelligent bijuu?
its the 8 tails octopus are smarter than foxes
It’s heavily implied
@@Virhtue its not implied kurama is the smartrst thats gyuki the 8 tails
@@3rday600😂😂😂, W appeal to reality
Pain vs Minato is high def 5/5 total.
The Minato who dodged kurama also said kushina was more powerful than him. This kashina did not have perfect control over the nine tails and so if your Idea that karama is the same power as a gin Cherokee because of kurama's intelligence then kushina being in control of kurama should not affect the power. Obviously kashina has a lot of chakra, and The multiplicative factor of additional chakra channeled through through a Shinobi is what makes The jinjuriki a threat, not Intel.
in reference to chakra 😂
kushina was considered the best candidate for becoming the next nine tails jinchuriki beacuase of the amount of chakra and type of chakra she had was special and suited perfectly for sealing tailed beasts and still surviving even after having the nine tails extracted. I mean she was able to create a sealing barrier that held the nine tails inside and and prime hiruzen out. and she restrained the nine tails for a bit and she sealed enough chakra into naruto to help restrain the nine tails again.
You cannot translate that other 9 years over and run with it.
I've been debating people on Minato vs Hashi and Madara 1v1 but I just don't seem them hitting him on the contrary I can't see Minato doing massive amounts of damage.
CQC doesn't really matter yes, tobirama got bodied but minato is even faster on top of this madara had sage mode in the rinnegan way better than ems I do think a normal rasengan can hurt base Madara and his susano until the final 2 stages.
Interesting
@@Virhtue last thing virthue don't mean to bother you but minato's jujutsu activation speed is insane like with FTG escaping 8th gate guy in TSO and escapes Obito's Kamui while literally being sucked in. he also has sage
He can also slam gammabunta down and his rasengan, did a clash with the nine tails granted it wasn't fully there but minato was also heavily fatigued and as you said he got stronger over time in I don't think it's crazy to say he can't make giant rasengan not massive but giant meaning he should definitely have Tailed Beast AP it didn't kill Obito because he wasn't trying too imo killing him wouldn't stop Obito (Madara) from getting control over the nine tails so he held back on purpose as you see he stops the rasengan before it finishes to plant a FTG seal.
Also great video you been cooking with content lately, i think he with sage mode which is better than Jariya's I am of the opinion that Jubidarra knocked him out of sage mode not that it's actually like a 2 second thing just that he couldn't maintain it
With that being said being said I think he wins High difficulty. madara literally has nothing that can tag him, I also believe that minato might have the slight speed edge in CQC but EMS is nuts but so is FTG in BF.
Loses to Madara
Beats Gin and Kin and the platoon assuming he isn’t exhausted (I do think Tobirama and Hiruzen both would’ve killed them as well if they weren’t exhausted)
Smokes Orochimaru boots probably by sealing him.
Beats Pain with information or without it I think he’d figure it out much quicker than Jiraiya
Hashirama>>>> Minato(not close)
Tobirma vs Minato is always fun because they are essentially the same character with Tobirama being the more versatile Justu wise whike Minato is more versatile in Sealing and slightly faster. I think if they fight 10 times minato wins 6/10 times.
Beats Hiruzen that we get to see
Beats Tsunade
Smokes Danzo
Probably loses to Kakashi(Hokage).
Interesting
@@Virhtue which part
Wouldnt lose to kakashi
@@moony_97 He probably would.
@@moony_97Kakashi one shots Minato
Lol why do you use tobiramas avatar and like hate his guts and be like weakest hokage maybe tsunade level on his best day all his feats don’t really count cause if you base it off the pixel distance of panel 2 on page 3 of the chapter he fights jubito kishimoto clearly was trying to show that minato stomps his ass and that tobirama was the weakest hokage like god damn dude lol just use minatos avatar then Jesus Christ. Like you sound mad that it’s some people even think tobirama is kinda strong not that they think he is god tier cause he clearly isn’t but just that he isn’t trash and that it’s just unacceptable for anyone to believe that. It’s your video do you bro but jeez it gets to be a little excessive the tobirama hate and minato=god of shinobi strongest hokage one shots ishiki stuff 😳😂
I’ve have put so much respect on Tobirama’s name but half the community thinks Tobirama is above Base Hashirama and comparable to Sage Hashirama in speed, I love Tobirama, he’s my whole channel icon yet I have to be honest when it comes to his scaling.
Itachi definitely had the potential to be as powerful as Minato. He matched him in a lot of merits. I do thank you for putting respect on Minato though. Minato does get slapped by Madara though. Bro and I say all the time Madara was equal to Hashirama and was only very slightly weaker because of chakra and sage mode. I do think Tobimara is more powerful than Minato though. Madara pretty much stated that Hashirama and Tobimara were the two strongest beings besides himself on the battle field. When they beat Tobimara wasn't it said it was them plus 18 other S ranked ninja so he basically faught their Akatsuki.
Itachi is a goay
Dubbb
Always!
Tobirama vs Jirai plzzzz
I could make this or a sannin vs each hokage video but alone, Tobirama beats up Jiraiya
Jiraiya gets harrased
Please, no. The degree of the tomb is inconceivable.
@@VirhtueExactly. The degree of the stomp is inconceivable.
@@PsoLivinExactly. The degree of the stomp is inconceivable.
Bro minato gave obito backshots 😭🙏🏽
I mean…not wrong
That fight was a lot closer than people are willing to admit.
KCM Minato beats every Prime Hokage besides Kakashi and Naruto.
No. He beats Kakashi as well.
I can agree with this but Hashirama is also kind of a big problem
@@i.q.1979 He doesn't beat Kakashi
@SunnyGoat-ut5qw Yes, he does.
@@Virhtue KCM Minato vs Hokage Kakashi?
EMS Madara vs Sage Mode Naruto is possible virhtue.
Absolutely not. The degree of the stomp is inconceivable.
Yeah it’s possible, possible madara might not need EMS to beat him.
Ok I got you
No, it’s not. “Naruto used speed when Fukasaku thinks he surpassed Minato, therefore SM > Minato” if you run with this, then by all means run with SM > OM Obito, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Tsunade, Itachi, Pain, KCM1 Naruto, The fourth Raikage, Early EMS Sasuke, KCM2 Naruto and there are many more
Yall are coping 🤧 only one he can beat is orochimaru
Why so bro?
Hokage Minato is not kcm2 Naruto lvl.
Why not?
@@Virhtue the narrative has already been building up to Naruto being stronger than minato before he awakens kcm2.
Loses all of them. He's a fraud
Awful take
@@VirhtueThen remove the like you gave him.
I mean minato can probably defeat madara or hashirama is
Like 7/15
I don’t know, it’s pretty contentious
@@Virhtue yeah I think it's more 7/20 because minato needs to kill them before the sage mode/Susanno appears
@@kaizel2264Minato does not beat any of them a single time
Minato is in a similar ball park to. Itachi Nagato Tobirama etc.. he is not in any way shape or form close to Madara or Hashirama. Please stop entertaining this thought.
Agreed I’m talking about this idea in my next video
Although he is only stated to be faster 😭
minato without kyubi isnt as strong as he is with it.
This is true
I don’t minato has a chance with orochimaru In boruto
Orochimaru in boruto would one shot Minato easily
@@owensilva9224what feats does Orochimaru has in Boruto's manga
@zerotheplug being so strong that Naruto in boruto though he had to stay in sage mode in order to feel safe
@@zerotheplug this is in the Mitsuki manga
@@owensilva9224yh that doesn't scale him nowhere
Nothing in Minato's arsenal can beat the guy who took down 100% Kyuubi and EMS Madara when all Minato has is 50% and better speed. He shouldn't be compared to madara since madara has greater feats then hokage Minato.
your right i think eight gates guy defeats himself 😂
Genjutsu vs physical speed combatively
Loses to every single hokage besides debately tsuande and Tobirama.
He gets slammed by the rest
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m not going to say any negative words but I’ll just say I’m sorry you think like this
@@Virhtue you think Minato is beating
Hokage kakashi?Naruto?Hashirama? Prime Hiruzen?
blitzing kurama isn't an impressive feat kurama isn't fast at all non sequitur minato is overrated. minato can beat all hokage just like the hokage can beat him.
This isn’t how powerscaling works
@@Virhtue i know how powerscaling works
@@3rday600yet you don’t know what a non seq is? 😭😭😭, his premise was that he blitzed Kurama, who is responsible for KCM2, thus he would scale to KCM2, his conclusion is implied by his premise. Yap yap yappity yap
@@marv51 Non sequior is a conclusion, or statement That does not logically follow from previous statements.
@@marv51 I've watched Naruto b3fore you
Tobirama>=minato
Funny take
@@Virhtue realistic not funny
Downplaying pain so you can give minato a win is crazy 🤦🏾♂️ you minato fanboys are ridiculous
If can't scale don't
Downplay, yeah, your tripping what possibly makes you think Minato loses
@@VirhtueRemove the like you gave him. He doesn't deserve it.
@@i.q.1979 I like everybodiws comments, gotta appreciate everybody
@@i.q.1979”take his like away” eat a frank lil guy