Why I Feel Bad for New Genshin Impact Players:
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Hey that's me. A new player. I started in August - help lol 😁
Nah I'll wait higan eruthyll instead
I know you must be bored. This is your 3rd account. The first account was where you spent money, your second account was your f2p account, and then there's this account. You've already said multiple times that you're bored so creating a new account doesn't really make any sense. This new account will be even more boring the 3rd time around.
Can you just find a new game already? I would enjoy watching you play a new game more than watching you suffer playing this game over and over again. I can see it in your eyes and in your facial expressions that you're not enjoying yourself but you think this is what your viewers want to see. Maybe you can play some console games. For example, I would enjoy watching you play "Detroit: Becoming Human" or maybe FF7 Remake. You'll be having more fun and we'll be having fun too. You can still review genshin when new characters come out if you really want to but creating an alt account for the 3rd time is just overdoing it.
Obtaining and building characters is more of an end game thing to do.
When you're at a low adventure rank you should just focus on playing the game normally.
Imagine your first 5 star character is yae miko or shenhe and you needa beat all of enkonomiya to level them up
@DragnBlaze yae and shenhe still worse probably
don't we need like ar 50 or something to get there. maybe i'm just crazy tho
I started playing the first week of August 2022. I've played for at least a few hours pretty much every day since then. I just finished Enkonomiya two weeks ago.
@@kavinbala8885I don’t think anything is AR 50 locked yet I’m pretty sure everything is 40-45s.
a new player doesn't think that way.. you only think that way because you already experienced that..
Yae and Shenhe were the two units that opened everyone's eyes to this issue
We desperately need a skip dialogue option. Also a gadget wheel that works.
Some dialouge has some animations. Characters walking but they could easily add it in. Odd that they dont
For real. Or add reading speed. I'm done reading before they're halfway through the dialogue 😞
literally
And mute Paimon
Fr I hate the dialogue
I introduced one of my friends to Genshin and have been helping them. They ended up getting kuki shinobu really early and ended up liking them a lot. This really opened my eyes to how bad it can be for new players. As she’s locked not only behind the inazuma and the raiden boss, but also the end of the chasm with the ruin serpent. Which is horrendous.
Had the same situation with sayu and kuki, but I just joined my friends world and pillaged
Well you should of known that when you introduces one of your friends to this shit of a game
@@Kholanee i actually never thought about that. I guess joining others worlds is the way to go.
Yeah but this only workedd so well for me bscause my friend basically did all her quests but stayed on AR 30 or 35(can't remember) and didn't ascend which meant she had all the eareas unlocked but her world level was the same as mine so I could always join her. It's not easy finding people at a low AR with a fully unlocked map, I just got lucky
I feel like for newer players, since some characters are literally locked behind a progression wall, they should make a system to where newer players just can't get those characters from pulls at all since they'd be of no use to them at all past lvl 20 or 30. And as the player progresses, like lets say they are nearing the end of Liyue's story and is preparing to travel towards Inazuma, they then unlock the characters for said region.
imagine when snezhnaya is unlocked and you just get a new character from that region but you still at ar15, that's definitly bruh moment
Imagine new player's collecting : 800 cryoculus
While they still roaming around in Mondstad 💀💀
it will probably be ar gated
hey, despite snezhnaya probably going to be like 4 sumerus big, nothing in sumeru is AR gated you could go there i think itll be next to mondstadt so new players might not have trouble with it
happened to me im ar12 and already got furina
I wish they had a barter system where we can trade earlier nation ascension materials, like those in Mond and Liyue, with Inazuma and Sumeru materials so we can level up newer characters.
There is using the crafting table
@@thewhutnow5795 no there isnt
Not a MMO
@@cranjismcbball there is
you will get parametric transformer too!
Raiden was my very first pull on my account, I agree wholeheartedly. It took me so long to get to Inazuma and because I loved playing with her I thought Inazuma would be fun but most stuff in Inazuma is immune to Electro lol including her ascension boss
yea and the inzuma weather sucksssss i hate it there as a newbie
@@stormauror2642 you will love it if you area cryo main
@I Liked A Comment & Accidentally Created A Channel not really , the free ones are good enough to clear the overworld once you build them properly
@I Liked A Comment & Accidentally Created A Channel Free units and new dendro addition can easily carry new players. The problem is more than 90% of the new players doesn't know how to build them and they just do unga bunga builds and suffer until some higher ar player helps and explains them how to build characters and teams just like in my beginner day a guy helped me alot to understand this game better. Rest i learned from youtube guides
@ilacaacac3069nah fr it doesn’t matter if u can’t build that 5 star right now fr u can get someone u like and build them later on
I actually didn't feel a lot of these struggles. I was so clueless that I just played it super casually but I grinded the quests hard to find out what happens. Most of my characters were lvl 40 with lvl 20 weapons when I ran out of archon quests after Inazuma 😂 I was AR 43 when i found out I could heal from statue of seven. I had the most fun playing genshin when I was clueless.
playing this game clueless was worth the experience
That's the best way to play it. That's how I played the game too, it was fun 🤷♂️ way better than the grind culture being pushed by CZcamsrs imo.
Bro, that is next level clueless
Maybe I need to yeet this video and go in blind. Just downloaded it last night. Never played it before...
I made an account years ago but actually started playing like a week ago. I was clueless about the healing from the Statue of Seven too and discovered it randomly. I got a nice character that heals everyone by using her power and so I can against 30+ level monsters. I only have seven characters and I have plenty too level them up 20+. The only thing that frustrates me are the dialogues, but overall I find it fun.
People say they’re less concerned with appealing to veteran players by appeasing them with endgame content and are more focused on bringing in newer players (mainly to syphon money out of) but putting the locations for this awful balloon collecting event in later areas like the desert just goes to show how little thought they give about newer players. Oh well, i’m really looking forward to collecting coins in a boat with my endgame characters. Make sure to pull for Alhaitham! He’ll really give you an advantage against those coins!
Kinda new player here (started playing on a regular basis in December 22).
At least they placed the final stages of the balloon event in Sumeru (even somewhat new players can reach the locations, you just have to reach the area) and not in Inazuma (an area which you can't enter until you've fulfilled many different story missions and quests). I don't think they did it the ideal way (you basically have to run through three Nations without being able to take your time and explore them) but it could have been worse.
Okay but events and characters also serve to promote the new content. If everything happened in Mondstadt, the public perception would be that Genshin is that BOTW ripoff.
@@roadrunner9332 NA or EU?
To be fair the balloon collecting event was a lot of fun
@Racool i’m surprised you think so. Personally, i prefer actually using the characters i’ve pulled for and invested heaps of resin into
Haven't watched yet but it's probably you can't build newer characters without going through endless hours of story.
Yae mats need to going through whole enkanomiya quest. cmiiw, but it's not even a main story lol
There is also a bunch of AR gated quest :( which makes me want to play something else. For example you need to be AR 40 to do that quest.
I hope they fix it, I can't even imagine how new players play in 2024.
Yep I made a new account during cyno banner and ended up getting him them getting nahida and I had to put in countless hours getting through the archon quests just to upgrade them. That sumeru archon quest was ridiculous and I was literally clicking through dialogue for A week straight
@@B-Str0 I feel so bad for people who actually care about story now that sumeru is a thing
The story I's the best bit man
Veteran players: the game is too easy because my characters are too powerful which makes the game boring
New players: the game is too hard. I can't level up my new characters because the materials are story locked
Meanwhile Necrit, a new player that uses a lv 40 Yelan against lv 70 enemies: This game's pretty easy it would be cool if they added a hard gamemode.
Bruh
I actually found the biggest detractor for starting as a new player was how many options you have avalible. While its nice to have so many potential paths, it also makes knowing which one to pick or what to do a huge pain. Id liken it to returning to Destiny 2 at the very end of a season where theres so many quests in your tab or in the tower that it becomes overwhelming. And thats just with 4 regions, and were supposedly gonna get up to 7.
Having to pick the "right" option shouldn't even be an issue. It only is because the game is so grindy.
luckly the only important thing to do is to save fragile resin until ar 40, but this game is massive and it's easy to get lost
I just started playing 2 weeks ago and you are literally describing the struggle that I have been living.
oh gosh i hope u do have fun tho the most important thing is to have fun and enjoy the game but of course its a struggle we have to face
Same bro the quests are getting hard woth low level weapons and characters its hard to beat the bosses but thanx to all those maxxed out players who helped me in co-op
Same
Bro I play this game way too much. I started half way through December and I’m ar 46💀💀💀
@@june4994 the game blocks you from that
Agree 100%. I'm new player here, played for around 1 month already. I have to grind main storyline to inazuma so that i can level up my raiden and play her and also to join events for the rewards before it runs out. It's very frustrating cause i felt like i've missed a lot of things along the way. I think the best way the dev can do to deal with this problem is to enable player to convert some amount of let say monstradt materials to inazuma/sumeru material every week. That will definitely make the game more enjoyable for new players.
that's a good idea. My brother plays this game only for a few hours and already drop the game. He say it is too much for him and is kinda overwhelming bc he is the type who wants to catch up with the story's progress but the way they make this is not new player friendly. I've noticed this issues long time ago and already mention them in the feedback but I don't think they even read the feedback that the players write to them.
@@aoyamabluemountain3055 They just want to rush everything to be at the same phase as a player that started two years ago, things take time. You’re supposed to play the game as MiHoYo intended to. If I started Genshin now, I’ll be so happy because there are a lot of things to do and I will take my time to enjoy those things, and the game itself. (FREE GAME BTW).
@@apinog8 I feel rushed to get to inazuma to level up Ayato. He's my favorite character and I have him but he's lacking power pretty bad for two weeks now. He's like a humanoid Magikarp using splash against enemies.
Yeah I'm having similar issues. I'm on day 45 and it feels super unbalanced because I pushed for Inazuma to level Raiden. I'm all the way to the boss battles with Raiden but I can't beat level 4 of Spiral Abyss and I've barely done anything in Sumeru. 😭
@@apinog8 Well people have their own ways of playing.
Don't you know? This is not free tbh bc this game is designed so that you will spend money to get what you want unless you are super lucky and get a god-tier account. If not, you will suffer the pain of waiting and farming for who knows how long.
Another issue is the missing story archs from the past updates like Archipelago etc. Which can be annoying if you've started recently and wanted to know how the story progresses
Story from lets say Golden Archipelago has nothing related to the main storyline so missing it kinda sucks but won’t affect anything.
@@divinesan7786 true but updates like that alongside other ones will create holes in the complete lore. Being a lore fanatic missing out on the 1st time it was introduced had no clue htf it came about
@divinesan7786 True but missing out Unreconciled Stars affects it as it goes over a really inportant point in the story, and the first time we are introduced to Fischl Oz and Balladeer in the storyline. Should be unlocked after completing Mona's intro questline. Mihoyo should just add the story even if they feel stingy about not giving away a free copy of Fischl that was still hard to grind for. Maybe even have that as a requirement for only getting the 500 primos even
@@Rollerbear712 missing out Unreconciled stars isn’t significant as you will be reintroduced in Inazuma. And Balladeer in that story serves little role ,only thing you know that he is a Harbinger. Mihoyo hands out quite a lot of copy of Fishcl in the past, so idk what stingy you are talking about. It is also not that hard to roll for Fishcl in banner.
@@divinesan7786 "The stars are a lie" is first heard in this event. In Inazuma they act like they know Balladeer from before which is a little off. Still important as we know he'll be a recurring character. Mihoyo were stingy in handing out a copy of Fischl in that event. Some F2P and beginners weren't able to get her. Tbh the recent Golden Archipelago is important as that's the first time we hear Nahida and transitions well to "you're Kusanali aren't you?" in the main story later on, but I'll let that one slide as most of that event wasn't important.
I feel like they should have a character specific event, which unlocks if you get that character and it teleports you to a separate domain and then it gives you enough material upon finishing to get a character to lvl 60 not including books and mora, as it would be great for new and old players who just got a new character.
This
I personally think there should be more ways to transfer regional items from other items, like say the sakura blooms. You could transfer some philanemo mushrooms and make them into sakura blooms using dust of azoth. Same thing with talent books, enemy drops, and world boss drops. Honestly, I started playing this game exactly a year ago, and I still feel I have missed so many events like the one with Albedo and the first Golden apple archipelago.
An idea that keeps being thrown around that could work quite well, is a 'travelling vendor' who sells "rare items from other lands".
That way, if you pull someone like Raiden Shogun before you can get to Inazuma, you can buy some of the materials that drop from the Thunder Manifestation like Storm Beads that you'll need to ascend her.
Even if you can buy a certain amount per week, or a certain amount in total, like the souvenir shop in Mondstadt. Even if they cost resin to buy (I think 15 resin each would be a fair price. 3 would cost 45 resin, 5 more than it would cost to fight the boss itself). As long as you're able to get a character up to level 50 or 60 without having to speed run through the game it would make a huge difference!
That’s a good idea
hoyoverse pls hire this man
At the rate we get materials with how you suggested it i rather just speed run/skip the story for the sake of being able to use the characters i want to use. Open up a spread sheet and mark where this specific character’s materials are
The problem is it could lead to exploits. They would probably have to change the material so it can't be used after a certain level or make it so it can't be bought if you have access to Inazuma, so it wouldn't make fighting the boss useless.
I think this problem can be solved by the crafting table mechanics similarly like the weekly boss materials. By farming an early normal boss material and change it with that salt you could buy from paimon, its gonna solved it without any problems. Only downside I could see would be the crystals that you’ll suffer to farm or change it along the boss material.
No.
That takes away the point of the game.
Its progressing to build those new characters.
If that's the case, why ever leave Mondstad or Liyue? 😏🤣
It would be a very boring game if you could build anyone without even going to that characters area (and costly)
Concern: New players wanting new characters but unable to ascend because they have not opened up their respective areas. The problem is that new players aren't informed of this and thus creating a negative experience when this happens to them.
Solution: Create a hovering tool-tip on the banner itself which would tell players if they can play this character immediately or will have to wait until they have unlocked necessary areas. I don't know the details, but you get the gist. It would inform the player what it would take to ascend these characters and give them a choice if they still want to continue to pull for them or not. Something like that. That way, players aren't blindsided with the lack of information.
@@HashMyth No it doesn’t. Literally the only people who would care are those strictly here for the character collection and leveling aspect and even then it’s not a bad idea.
Limiting how many things you can trade at a time would be helpful, that way you can still level that character but also still progress the story if you want to level that character faster.
Plus who cares anyways. There are so many damn characters and more to come, let people level their characters at the speed they wish.
@@bo8411 why-
The test run of the characters already give required materials to ascend the character once. I think they should give materials to ascend the character at least twice when Fontaine comes out.
Just started playing about a month ago and I got Raiden. The farming and grind through the story and quests were serious to get her materials. The trial giving materials helped a little but still stuck at level 50 because of lack of Inuzuma play.
As someone who's had an Ayaka since AR 10, (an account where i've just been collecting freemogems from updates etc) I was stuck on a 20/20 Ayaka until AR 30 to unlock Inazuma. It was horrible.
Ayaka was my first 5 star in ar 20 it was pain indeed had to use razor to fight raiden 💀
You should have done her test run to get her to level 40. And the whole genshn story from mond to inazuma can be done in less than 30 days I've done it
AR 30 ain't so hard to get - I recently restarted out of boredem and casually been playing for 1 week (1-2 hours a session per 2 days) and got to AR 29 already and I still haven't finished the Liyue Archon Quests or even hard grinded the map yet. I'd say Sumeru characters would be an absolute nightmare to level up.
I did it in 5 days and now on day 7 i am ar40( considering i opened semeru on 3rd day without archon quest)
same i got scara also but i cant even level them up
I started in the last few weeks and it has taken me around 30 hours to get to inazuma, and I've done very little exploring. That could easily double in time if you want to explore everything. Depending on how much someone plays each week, it actually could be months till they get to sumeru.
It took me far longer than that to get to Inazuma. But Sumeru was no issue really. It's not locked behind AR30 like Inazuma is. And the Chasm is even worse, AR40. Sumeru is fine.
Cant you just go to sumeru before inazuma
It took me literal months (and I play regularly) to finish Inazuma's quests because I just didn't want to do it yet. Thankfully all the characters I was interested in happened to be liyue ones, because i think I would've forced myself otherwise, and it sure ruins the experience...
@@generaltoszur1036 you can but you can't really do much because you're locked behind prerequisite quests and ar level, you can really just grab dendro traveller and not much else.
30 h ??? imposable
I smell skipping button
Been playing for about a month and I'm just now FINALLY able to start uncapping Kuki and she was one of the first characters I got. It's actually insane that there's no way to buy or craft ascend mats for some of these characters.
I started playing Genshin since like the 3th of January and I can say it's so fun and I got a lot of progress so far although it's enough, so I'll have to keep it going, like rn I'm AR31+, and yea I was only able to do this thanks to your tips broo, and this video also just helped me to learn something new, and please keep making more of this guides.
Thank you 👊
A simple solution implemented in many games is making new content temporarily avaiable for the duration of the patch for everyone. You will break the flow of the story and all, but you aren't forced to do it anyway, if you really just wanna access the areas and raise your new characters regardless of region, you can, then it gets locked behind story progress again next update and so on
they will change either how ascension works or make the mats more accessible. they always do it especially in honkai impact 3
They will probably add something similar to dream solvent but for mats, or a shop with a limited amount of "foreign" goods per week you could spend mora/resin or add to teapot
If they do change the way ascension works they not only gotta leave the characters we own at their max level they also gotta refund all the ascension mats. If they do this we golden
thank you for highlighting this. its absolutely frustrating to find myself so far ahead but with no artifacts or materials to show for it.
I think a neat solution for this would either be regional rotations for characters (Monstadt banner, Liyue banner, etc.) or a "you completed this archon quest, now you get a banner to roll on for a week" banner.
As someone who started playing a few months ago, I can confirm that this is very spot on with my experience. Especially with my characters being underbuilt for my AR. When I went to start farming artifacts it was extremely difficult to complete the domains, and I would often run out of time or die. You have a big advantage over a new player in that you already know how to build your characters, who will work with who, and the general layout of the plot. After Liyue, just to unlock Inazuma, I had to spend over a week untangling a knot of all the quest that had been locked because they used the same npc, and because there's just so many random side quests that you have to do at that point before Beidou will let you ride her damn boat. And if you're having a hard time with one of those quest because your build or team comp is a little scuffed, well to bad for you.
Another thing that I never see talked about is 4 star constellations. If you started around launch, or heck, even 2.0, not only have you had a lot more time to build up your account, but your pulls were also concentrated on a smaller roster of characters. I've got most of the Sumeru and Inazuma 4 stars, and maybe half of those have a constellation or two, but if I could take all those pulls and concentrate them into just half the number of four stars I would have a much stronger roster than I do now with the exact same time investment.
Isn't that something which should go both ways? Imagine this - how can we expect for everything to be fair between a veteran player who has been supporting the game since the very beginning and a new player who just started the game on a whim as he saw a hot character that he liked but ended up liking the game overall( me) to have the same advantage as that of a veteran gamer. Would'nt the veteran gamer feel the same thing like why they spent so much time on the game if they cudve achieved the same thing just by starting the game few weeks back?
PS: I started at the end of 3.0
you don't have to do the side quests at beidou's ship actually. She stands on the boat and you can just talk to her immediately.
@@akagamidwaterlaw7347 No, it's not an issue of fairness at all. Obviously, you're never going to be able to build up to the same point with vastly less time put in. It's a question of how playable the game is now for a new player vs how playable it _was_ for a veteran player when they were at the same point.
Someone starting the game today could stop in Liyue and just do dailys for 6 months to build up their account before moving on to Inazuma and the fact remains that their 4 stars would be significantly less powerful on average than a veteran player would have had at the same point in the game with the exact same time investment. (And that's not to mention that the particular 4 stars that a 1.0 player would have had would be characters like Bennett, Xangling, Fischal, Sucrose, Blue Venti, etc.) A new player is likely to have more of the characters like Sara, Garou, Faru, Dori, and so on, and with fewer constellations.
When you're at that point where you're just starting to reach a high AR, and you don't have many 5 stars, that makes a huge difference for clearing content and farming domains.
(edited typo)
@@hachikuji_mayoi I'm talking about all the side quest you have to do to even get to that point. You have to do the tournament where you first meet Kazuha first. And you have to do the rebuilding the Jade Chamber quest before you can do that. And you have to do the Fishing for Jade quest before you do _that_, and that's a world quest you have to get from a random npc in Liyue. And there are several world quests that if you've accepted, bit not completed, will lock out the above quests because they involve the same npcs.
Not being able to do a quest cuz an npc is involved in another quest is one of the most annoying things lol
This was me back when I started playing when first Raiden rerun came out with Kokomi. I was so excited that I pulled her but when it came to leveling her up all the excitement went away lol.
I mean, I started my account about 4 months ago, and I really dig that there's so much content. The fact that I am able to not only farm the daily's, the abyss, the events, but I have an incredibly large backlog of archon/world/story/hangout quests that give really good primogem rewards is awesome. I just unlocked Thunder Manifestation, haven't barely touched Sumeru, and I'm AR55, with multiple lvl90 teams.
I think the size and scale of the game is a big PLUS - because it's basically free (I will say, I do purchase BP and I've done a few Welkins). But I'm incredibly impressed and thrilled with the pace that Hoyo churns out good content, and I feel like their incentives are good (something like 15-20k primos in this next patch?) It's definitely a grind, but I'm a Destiny veteran (still playing that one too), so grind is what I'm looking for in a game, and this one is top-notch.
This is exactly me right now. Just started about 3 weeks ago. AR24, and just started watching videos. Getting massive anxiety trying to pick players to use and I feel like I have to level up new characters to see if they can help or not, but end up wasting materials then.
They need a temporary domain where new players could get into to get materials which would be available to them as long as the banner is up. My little niece started playing and got Cyno, Tighnari, Wanderer and some Inazuma characters and they are all stuck at Level 20 I feel sad for her.
😆 😂 😆 😂
Imagine how it will be in another 2 years
The game will be dead by then fingers crossed
After we reach Celestia, the Genshin era will be over soon and the new chapter outside of Teyvat begin
@@xdtheo284do you really think so?
@@07Lightless newbies will quit. Veterans Will quit. Due to boredom
@@xdtheo284 but new players will still come
It took me 5 or 6 weeks to get to Inzauma after starting in late October last year. I did a lot of exploring and about half the world quests of each region so far. Getting Raiden was the goal and I ended up getting her. With more regions coming out in the next few years... new players will be overwhelmed for sure. It can be easy to burn out on games like this, almost happened to me.
I pulled for Raiden on my new account only because I already had Xiangling and I knew I could build her to at least C3 (with the upcoming free 4* and spiral abyss) whilst waiting to get to Inazuma but that's only because I knew the mechanics of the game and what would work best for me moving forward. If you're unaware, you're kinda screwed, unless you *really* want to grind and not everyone does...
I've been playing for around 3 months, and I agree with what you are saying about being a bit overwhelming. Realistically could ascend to over AR level 45 but my characters just aren't strong enough yet because I still have heaps of farming to do. So far, the main ones I use are level 60 but I'm grinding to get a few of them to level 70 before I ascend.
an idea that i've had in my head that i think the game would benefit from would be some sort of merchant that you can buy regional items (including boss drops) from! like maybe it changes depending on the day of week like talent books. so you can raise your characters without having to run across the map just to level them past 40.
I agree completely. What should be done is add a system similar to Fate’s clear prisms. As you progress organically through the game you’ll obtain a special material that allows you to gain access to later ascension materials that you might not have otherwise. This takes a lot of stress off new players having to rush through story just to be able to use their beloved characters.
Not sure how possible this is, but I guess this issue could be solved by having banners for each region EVERY version. So for example, 4 banners running at the same time with maybe Eula, Xiao, Yoimiya and Nahida. That way no matter where you are in the main story, there’s always someone usable to pull for and maybe even shortens time in between reruns.
They will never do this because it kills hype for characters. Running 4 banners all the time would defeat the purpose of characters being locked behind limited time only banners. That’s how they make their money
I think regional banners is the way to go. They could be unlocked at the same time you unlock that region, and you could focus on a particular banner to build up your 4 stars faster if you wanted.
This may happen when we’re closer to the end of the overall story, but doubt it will happen anytime soon. I agree with Mtashed that they should have some type of transfer system to make it easier. They did it with the billets for the Sumeru weapons, they should do them for the upgrade materials for characters. And then maybe take certain levels of it away as you unlock the new regions, if they’re concerned about something like players fighting Dvalin and then transferring the materials for Sumeru or something.
@@07Lightless they already have 4 banners per patch,, so they could split it 2/2 being Mondt/Ina in the first half and Liy/Sum in the second half. They have plenty of characters to do it with since they most often release 1 new five star per patch,, so that could always fill the slot for the newest region
Except that that doesn't work for new players who specifically start Genshin because of a new character. Sure, one or two of those can be leveled, but there is a very real possibility that they don't want to pull for a 5 star just because that one can be leveled.
Hell, I started in 2.0 and ran into that with Ayaka. Had to bench her for a week or two until I could get to Inazuma, and then it still took a while to get her caught up to wherever my other used characters were at the time. It's just going to get worse and worse as time goes on.
They need to add a vendor in Mondstadt that sells ascension/talent materials from the other regions. Make it a bit more expensive than if you were to get those materials naturally, say 20 resin plus 20K mora for a batch of books just like if your were to go to a domain.
Or have them trade with you. Have it cost mora and something else, on top of whatever you're trading in. Dust of Azoth can stay the way it is, because the 'cost' is that you spent your primos to wish and get stardust.
Something. Anything, really.
Same , but c6 rosaria helped a lot then i had to start a new account just to get kuki shinobu and run to the chasm for that annoying serpent
This is so true, I started mid-August and it took me over a month to get to Inazuma. I haven't even finished the quest line yet because I keep getting distracted by leveling up my characters pulling for new ones doing other things in the game like the chasm apparently and all the other stuff. I really need to get it together lol.
Ive started over and theres so much to do im setting a schedule on what to do when and how deep i can go into it
I've thought this since early days of Genshin and I've always wanted an NPC kind of like Liben that comes round once a week with 2 lots of 3 random boss materials. May not be for the character you get but least it saves feeling crazy pressure to play the character you got.
Fuck randomized boss materials, just let me get what i want from the trader. We already suffer through getting the perfect Artifacts why do people like torturing themselves by adding more RnG???
As someone who started about a month ago, this is an issue. (I wanted to use Kuki Shinobu after I pulled her but couldn’t ascend her) but it’s really not too bad. I definitely love having so much open world still completely unexplored. I like using characters I know that could feasibly be alongside the traveler anyway.
I think as long as you don’t take Genshin to seriously and play to enjoy the story, you can jump in at any time and have a lot of fun with the world
It’s not too bad now, but imagine when we’re 7 regions in and a new player gets a bunch of characters from the newest regions.
@@MayW15663 you can walk to most of them, only inazuma is locked but the rest are part of the mainland
You can ascend her with the trial items to 40, that's more than enough to last you until Inazuma. Usually people are level 50-60 by the time they reach Inazuma, not a huge difference.
Now, if Kuki is not feature on the banner and you get her randomly from Standard, then tough luck. The reason they give away the materials in the Trial is exactly for this scenario, when people intentionally pull for the 5star or the featured 4 stars. They can use them just fine at level 40 until they reach the required nation
@@MayW15663 Only Inazuma is locked behind Archon Story so far. You can literally pull Nahida and walk into Sumeru and pick up flowers or beat elite bosses if you want to. Since your AR is super low, the enemies will also be low, so there's no issue
@@Gennosuke1983 thats only if they dont lock stuff behind archon quests again which they will probably do
I think this is something that’s only a problem for Inazuma characters. Sumeru’s introduction is the dawn of them no longer gating character leveling, which actually creates other problems.
The problems it creates all revolve around late game players, so no one will care… until/or if they reach late game. Hoyo doesn’t care because they make their money from new players mostly.
I think ur forgetting Chasm and enkanomiya
@@asri1361 enkanomiya is Inazuma. I don’t even think the requirements for the Chasm underground requires Inazuma progression
@@asri1361 I mean, I guess. If thats the case though, one could say that you have to play for hours to get to the first boss (Davalin) that drops talent materials and weeks to complete leveling them.
Like, at some point there has to be progression
The way I got my Ayato fluorescent fungus is I had a friend I had introduced to Genshin, and they played more than me so they got to inazuma before me even though I played months longer than they had. I did co-op with them in their world but first they had to do a quest chain to even unlock the island. Then the dang mushrooms were so hard to find and currently my ayato is stuck at 50 (however I have inazuma now but keep getting distracted and forgetting to do archon quests which ima do now goodbye youtube)
feel you.
i think one of the major improvement is that the quest is not AR gated.
and also the skip button is so useful for players not to get burnt up by the never ending discussion of the quests
Which quest? A ton of quests, the archon quest in particular are AR gated.
There is a special ascension tab in Fate Grand Order the mobile game where nee player can ascend the new characters for free till lvl 80/90 but it can only be one character. A feature like that will definitely help.
Also the two additional quests required to further proceed with the Chasm is actually locked behind the event key with them already mentioning that they were going to place them accessible for download for other people to do anytime themselves without Mihiyo hosting the event themselves as well. We were unable to fully complete it up to that point in time because of work hours as well.
Thank you!! I started in August and have been struggling with this.
Sometimes I get a little intimidated by how much you can do, so I have to take a break from the game sometimes. I’m not sure if anyone else is having that too
My friends and I are talking about this exactly. Maybe they should include more in the character trial. Enough mats to maybe boost the character to level 30~40 which I think should be enough though there's also talent materials.
I recently started over on a fresh account to play with some friends on a different server and I had I think three characters from Inazuma, and multiple pulls of some of them, while still having to just use Kaeya and Amber for all of my damage because I couldn't level any past 20. It was super frustrating and it wasn't until I was into the Liyue story that I could just squeak my way through enough Spiral Abyss to get Xiangling which is about where I'm at now. And I'm still a few more AR and Archon Quests from actually being able to use any of the characters I first pulled
I did start around January and yes it is a lot to do and it's crazy how quickly I felt I needed to level up and go do main story quests so I could upgrade characters I have that I wasn't able to do so before. Made a bunch of mistakes while doing this buuut I still found it fun to do this
The material grind is real for new players that can blast through content in these games.
Agreed and this problem will be bigger over time. Imagine Natlan for example, not even talking about Fontaine. It really sucks
I just started playing two weeks ago and I found it rlly frustrating how tedious the game can get, and how many times I end up stuck on side/story quests bc things aren’t rlly clear on what is needed to be done and takes a rlly long time to lvl up. Currently my main is Lumine, Sayu, Beidou, and xiangling, all almost at 50 and adv rank is 30. Now i cant even continue the archon quest bc i gotta bring my adv lvl up just to do a bunch of other quests to finally unlock the archon quest again. I love this game but I wish things weren’t so complicated for no reason and having to run around and feel overwhelmed by all the things i need to do in order to grow my account and progress the main story.
I've played since 1.0 and I originally quit because I felt this way in Liyue when I got Tartaglia. When I came back in 3.2 it was REALLY tough for me to trudge through everything and I'm still only at the 3.0 archon quest. I decided to prefarm everything now, but new players won't be able to figure that out or have access to it. Not to mention the feeling of dread that comes with gachas and 'being behind', missing the chance for your fave characters, etc
Personally, I'm honestly kinda jealous of new players. To be able to explore, discover and experience everything for the first time is such an amazing feeling that I wish I could have, again.
That's when you read all the dialogs and pay attention to paimon and don't skip the cut scenes
@@jeronimomontalvo7587 I wanted to keep reading all the dialogue because the writing is good, but they just have to insist on repeating themselves over and over or saying the same thing three different ways, that burned me out on reading the dialogue
That's wierd lol it's so many games out here why would you want to feel like a new player again on one game
I just downloaded the mobile today and it is amazing af 😂😂
IMO just starting Sumeru. There is so much content that i think maybe it have been better just not play this game at all. Too much side quests and other stuff to do. Great I started 2.5 years ago, but 1month ago... Just too much.
That’s quite a valid concern. One minor solution they put out is probably the limited time events, which give you weapon and talent materials. But boss materials and artifacts are still gated by progression and sometimes even main quests
Has there been a event that gave inazuma material without being in inazuma?
This is super refreshing, because when I found your channel I was on like level 17 and you were at a point where you were waiting on things to open to have something to do. You were way past explaining as was everyone else who streamed this game and I was level 45+ before I figured out exactly what you are talking about right now. I really wish you had a Beginners Playlist that explained the things you were talking about a year ago so I could have watched your content and learned, instead of having crap characters that were higher levels.. :(
Yeah I started a year ago and already ran into that problem. My first character was Ayato and second Ayaka, I think I got Ayato when I just unlocked Inazuma so I thought great this shouldn t take too long...but realistically it took me forever to level both. As even exploring Inazuma took a while to unlock the required bossess, to unlock Raiden Shogun story quest (for that to make sense you have to finish archo quests) and finish it(Ayato s talent boss material)... Honestly it left me with a bit of too much grind that I almost did not even enjoy anymore. Since than I almost never pull for new characters and rather focus on reruns coz I dont wanna repeat the grind of those months. I dont wanna be forced to complete story quests adn archon quests just so I can build my character.
I started a year ago, just playing casually with the default Lumine, Lisa, Amber and Barbara (all leveling materials found in Mondstat) got me through everything. I only started working on other characters last month because I farmed a good amount of items over the time.
My advice to new players is, work on the default characters to get through the main story, open the whole map, catch up to latest content. I found the best time to level characters is when you complete everything and are just waiting for the next update. My main team I switched to a few weeks ago is Ei, Nahida, Yanfei and Mona from 4 respective regions. By the time I wanted a real damaging team I at least had hoarded enough resources to level them up a bit, took me 2 weeks to get 4 characters geared and leveled, could have been faster but I am casual.
Terrible advice, the reason a lot of people play is for the characters they like, why would you ever say "hey yeah so if you wanna play with the character you like just farm for these four default character that you might not care about."
I think the point of the game is for us not to be able to speedrun it… and I think the best part of it being daunting is that if you’re a newbie, then you literally have an endless process to go through, plus the fact that the game is still progressing. I think what GI can do is to have a trade system where they can buy or trade their materials to the ones they need so they could shorten the period of maxing out a 5 star character they wished for. (I’m also curious about the animé they’re doing)
Yeah some kind of trading system would be amazing. I was thinking of making a fresh account but kinda hesitating because I know I won't be able to use certain characters without progressing through the story again
Trade system? Just join games and ask nicely if you can pick some flowers or fish
@@shion551 true. Although I remember trying to join for some dandelions. More than half of the ppl in co op declined to let me join :/
Thanks for this video. I'm experiencing everything you're saying. I started playing in Feb/March 2023. My first banner was Deyha and Cyno. I blew my primos to get both of them, and I'm still here waiting to use them.
I'm lucky that I can do some spend and this is not my first rodeo on open world RPGs.
What keeps me playing is that the game is so fun, there's so much stuff to do, and the OST is outstanding
I definitely agree with this. A bunch of AR gated quest makes me don't want to play it. ( Like you need to be AR 40 to do the quest)
I would rather play something else.
in the future this will be a MAJOR problem, when the last region will come out, as a new player if you find the new arcon you'll have to play for over 1 month in order to level that character over lvl 40, but by the time you are in the new area you are probably ar 50 or over and you'll already have a lvl 90 party, whats the point in getting the new arcon for a new player? I don't understand why they feel the need to gatekeep regions behind quests or ar lvl
Well certain regions have "harder" content then the previous ones so I suppose that was their goal?
@@Rose-my4wbeverything should just scale with world level and they should add proper hard content like the abyss in a specific location instead of incorporating it into the regions
@@07Lightless I guess, it does partly scale with world level though? I dont really get what you mean about the second part....
When I started playing I azuma was released and I got the little girl that spins and moves fast on the map, but I could not ascend her. That is when I stopped playing the game. Never touched it ever since but I continued to watch your videos cuz they are fun.
I also created a new account and you're right about the events. It's difficult to go to places where the events at with your low AR and underlevelled characters. But other than that, just take your time to finish each region before going on to another.
Yeah the community has seen this becoming a problem since inazuma released
as a new player (started 2 months ago), i def agree
I am not a new player (AR 55) but with my playstyle I tend to intentionally stay behind in stuff so I can get the full experience of the game. I just recently did the Caribert quest because I was spending all of my time trying to complete the character quests that came before (I like to go in order lol). Not only that, but I have been trying to build some of my second team because I just now started to work on a second team for the abyss. I'm much more into the lore and story than I am with the combat and stuff, so it's been a struggle trying to build my characters. I actually have several 5 star characters that I haven't even touched, including Alhaithem, Cyno, Raiden, and some of the standard 5 stars. The only ones I have really built are Scaramouch, Zhongli, and Kokomi because Zhongli and Kokomi were my go to supports and I just recently started working on Wanderer. (He was my most hyped character and I even got his weapon)
Before I got to Inazuma, (I was already like AR 45 and still in Liyue) I was trying to complete all of the quests in Liyue and so while people were experiencing special events, I was stuck just trying to get to Inazuma in the first place. I could have just skipped some stuff and made my way there, but I hate the feeling of missing quests and stuff before I get to an entirely new area, so I just stuck with it. When Sumeru came out I actually missed the first 2 chapters at their launch because I was still completing the Inazuma world quests.
I'm a bit more caught up now, so when Fontaine finally comes, I shouldn't have as many problems keeping up, but for people who are newer and play like me I definitely understand how frustrating it is to miss important limited events and just being able to play with characters you spent money on. I thought about starting a new game just for fun, but I already know that it would just make me extremely stressed out XD.
As a new player, wanderer was my first 5 star (technically I also had Mona from standard) all my other characters were the free ones or from the beginner banner (I got wanderer 2nd 10 pull so I didn't really get 4 stars from that). This was a serious problem for me, because, even when I ran to sumeru to get books and level materials, I couldn't get the weekly boss talent materials for wanderer. I was AR 50, over 2 months into the game, when I could start increasing the talent level of my only main DPS character. Yes, I probably could have mained traveler, but I didn't really know how the team comps worked when I got wanderer and he could fly so I chose him. It made the game kinda really annoying bc I constantly felt like I was wasting time and falling behind my world rank because weeks were passing without me fighting the weekly boss I needed
players: make ascension for new players better pls
hoyoverse: you totally hear you travelers... heres a feature no1 asked for :D
I started playing before this was a problem. But i kinda like the idea of materials being locked to a far away region. It adds a sense off achivment and challange to get there. Makes them feel like they are trully from there. Idk i just kinda like the idea of having a charather laying around that suddenly unlocks with a region. Also makes people use the starter characters more.
i see your point and i agree to an extent, there's defs something to be said about having characters in your back pocket that later on you're like "oh i can use him now? Cool" it can double as a nice surprise and as a goal to work towards, the problem with this though, is that it only works if the game gives you other things to play around with in the mean time. Depending on your luck in pulls you might get a bunch of characters who all cant be used early game and get bored quickly, OR you might get 1 or 2 that you cant use early game, then a few that you can use in the mean time.
If you ask me i think its part of hoyo's system to get peeps to spend, cuz if you have battle pass and welkin, your influx of characters is gonna be much faster thus you'd have more shit to play around with while the late game characters sit on the bench for later
@@KuroTheDesigner delaying the ability to use a character because it’s materials to upgrade are in a different region is dumb.
I suffered through the 50/50 of getting/not getting them let me use them right now, let me trade items to get their materials. It is why i don’t recommend Fate Grand Order to people, not only bcuz it is dated, but because some Servants need materials from Part 2 chapter 5 to upgrade past their first ascension.
@@goofballjim6167 tbf fgo now gives daily tickets to exchange for materials that you have no access to(though the 3 options rotate per month) plus events shops also provide a ton of them and there's this new white mana prism thing you get each time you clear a story quest that you can exchange for any existing materials in the current patch so yeah. If a newbie fgo player pulled a lost belt 5 character they would be able to max ascend that character after chapter 3 since they'll have enough white prism thingys to exchange for the mats 👍
Hii! Newish player here. So I have had to start motile accounts bc of this and it’s hard but for me I have found somewhat of a solution I just pull for, and use charters that I have either am on the story quest for there region or I’m done with there story quest but I’m also sticking with the 4 starter characters that I got at the beginning until I’m done with the Liyue story quest. BUT there are still a lot of characters that I want so I have a small list of “dreamies” that I want with like 3-4 characters (don’t forget 4 start in this list) and I will pull for them if I want to at the time. Then if I do end up getting them I will only use them if I have the region.
And yes it’s hard just like you said in the story. But I’m trying to get Klee rn sense some people say she is easier to build and I hope I can get her and ascend her sense I have all of Mondstate.
But Kazuha is also one of my goal characters and i plan on pulling him on my next banner and if I don’t have Inazuma by then he will most like be benched but he just had a rerun not to long ago so I plan on saving for him until then. Yet it is hard with all the new charters and stuff so I wish all new player much with there travels in teyvat!
I just started playing a few weeks ago, and I've definitely run into this issue without realizing, since I've pulled Alhaitham. Kaeya is carrying my account right now, but I'm okay with that for now! It definitely feels like a slow slow burn, but I also like the grind 💪🏻 thanks for the video!!
I think Genshin in a way is special this way because the story is progressive, like a real journey. So it makes sense that the characters you get along the way also are. New players ofc would be recommended to pull for the rerun character instead of the newer one.
When I got heizou at AR10 I wanted to use him. And then I was stuck with lvl40 heizou before I got to Inazuma.And it sucks
Genshin player try not to overdose on copium challenge (impossible)
So basically pull for something you dont like until you get to the area to play what you do like...? That's a terrible idea lmao
No it’s not tbh. When I began, I got many copies of heizou after pulling only 30. I genuinely could not level him at all until completing chasm, but I couldn’t complete chasm because my characters were bad. So I had him on lvl 50 for like two months until I got to ruin serpent and when I got there he wasn’t even useful anymore 🫤
Sure, I can pretty relate to the struggles. I just started like one and half months ago, it's pretty hard to catch up the event and characters. But, LUCKILY, MY FIRST 5 STAR IS KEQING, which I don't really need to farming lots to ascend her. Although I kinda want to got another character who I like more (nahida, ayato, raiden, kokomi), but Keqing as my first 5 star is pretty good as I don't really need to actually go Inazuma first.
What do you suggest for someone who started yesterday and likely won't even be able to play enough each day to maximize their resin usage? Do I just spend my level up stuff on Noelle, the MC, and maybe another character until I reach the second area at least? Do I not pull on characters from the 3rd or 4th area? I'll be getting pulls so rarely I want to be conservative but also I don't really have any character I really like so I'm willing to do just whatever the best early pulling options are to avoid what this video says
When it comes to the standard banner, pull any time you get a blue fate, *just don't spend any primogems on that banner, ever*. When it comes to limited characters, you can test them in the event tab first (as well as some 4stars which have boosted drop rates with the limited banner), see if you like them or not and decide if you want to pull for them.
I started 5 weeks ago and did some research on what teams/reactions I'd like to play once I got a feel of how the game works, what appeals to me, and decided who to pull on based on that. Some of it will also depend whether you'll get lucky and win a 50/50, what 4star you'll pull etc. I didn't expect to pull Diluc early on standard banner but now he's my main until I can build a team for my Cyno who I purposefully pulled for. I knew Cyno's mediocre and I wouldn't be able to use him for weeks but it didn't bother me. I like his playstyle and overall character design.
At least doing so many quests is better than just looking at your screen for abyss reset and logging in everyday to do comms and logging out
If you're a new player, don't worry about building your characters. Unless you're building for the sake of building, you can beat the current overworld, all the way to Sumeru even with level one characters. Even if you're f2p, and you decide to dropany character that reaches level 2 characters, it has been done. So no, your characters being stuck at level 20 for awhile will not make the game unplayable.
Old players lacking content: "Hoyoverse don't care about us!"
New players having a lot of content:
"I feel bad for new players!"
There's just nothing right for some people..
Except these are real issues in the game…? God forbid we bring them to light.
Imagine if you were a new player in the time that Snezhnaya just released and the banner is for the Cryo Archon herself lmao, it would take months before you could even get to use her properly if Hoyo doesn't change anything.
A problem i found on my second run through was getting too many quests at once and people in some quests were locked behind other quite often
A huge tip for newer players is to just kill all of the enemies that the adventure book gives you. It resets every day, and for the most part, all of the enemies are stacked with other enemies nearby. Do this for about 2 weeks and you'll be more than fine on materials. Sure it's a grind and takes time, but it's a one and done thing. After grinding those mats, the normal enemies you kill while exploring and commissions will be constantly adding to your total amount, and you'll never be wanting for more.
a new player is not going to grind that hard from day 1 they’re gonna hate the game and quit. The one good thing about this game is that you don’t have to do the hardcore grinding stuff until later into the game so you can spend more time actually enjoying the exploration and quests. But this is a big issue for new players, u see a cool character and pull for them but cannot level them up or use them at all basically.
So basically, this is a rant about the fact that you have to play the game, to build your characters.... Ok
@DragnBlaze I'm pretty sure you can unlock Sumeru without doing Inazuma archon quests.
Also, early game, the materials required for ascension shouldn't take more than 30 mins to farm, it's only late game that they require a lot of resources
I know right I'm a new player and I haven't got to play the sumraru story line cause I'm stuck on phase 1 of the raiden shogun cause ya know how hard does she is when fightning her?
Brow so true. I just started this month playin and I'm still stuck at liyue and haven't started the archor quest there coz there's so much to do. I really don't know if I can catch up tbh
I'm brand new just started today and I wanna know can you play with multiple people? Not like I have friends to play it with and is there an easier way to get 5 star I've done a ton of rolls like 20 ish and I've only gotten 3 4 stars
There is co-op where you can play with up to 3 additional players, forgot when it unlocks.
And no, there is no easier way, it's all based on luck, 20 rolls is nothing. You're only guaranteed a 5* at 90 rolls which is hard pity, and a 4* every 10 rolls. You can get something earlier but it's pure rng.
Im new and I absolutely love the game, so much to do, its super fun, I have played for hours and hours and the game has never ever stopped me. However I just hit the point that resin (or lack of) is stopping me from playing and that is starting to suck. I do see what you mean about 5*s and not being able to use them, I was in the 2nd area and pulled tighnari and i cant even fight the boss i need to level him up
I think another big issue as a new player is the material scarcity, because there are so many quest than before that getting to ar 55 or 45 doesnt take as much time as before but the material drop rates are the same as, while creating a new account the problem i faced was the trasure hoarder drops were so low and u have to fight so many of them and they are scattered throughout the map, another problem is the crystal(hydro, cryo, pryo crystals etc) things run out so fast that i was forced to do weekly bosses that i didnt want to do because they drop these crystals, and they cost 30-60 resin which is a lot because u lvl up so fast that ur resin and the materials drops cant keep up. I think they need to up the drop rate of these materials at low level.What makes it worse is that when ur a new player u dont know how to manage these materials or which characters to level up u can waste a days, weeks of resin the make so little room for mistake for a casual game.
This is how I felt pulling Kazuha when I first started playing at the absolute tail end of the banner. I sat on him being like level 40 for a LONG time.
I just started about a week ago and I pulled for raiden almost immediately and got pretty Lucky(40ish) pulls. Alot of the things you said were true. I work full time but I’ve definitely put in a buuuunch of hours the last week. It took me a full week of pretty hard grinding to finally upgrade my raiden. I have most of the map unlocked and I’m ar 33. I think the only thing that reaaaallly slows down the whole process is the little gaps in between main quests where you have to go do a bunch of side quests. But overall the side quests give you primos xp books and other stuff so it’s not entirely a time list. Overall. I’d say it’s not so bad for new players if you can actually put in the time
New player here, i started around 18th December. I totally agree with you Mtashed but the most gruesome struggle for me is climbing tall mountains especially in Dragonspine. Like 50% of my gameplay was climbing cliffs, walls, mountains. Didn't know team comps in genshin also has to be a veteran mountain climber 🤣😭
Just started playing last week, And this is tf whats happening to me. Its overwhelming idk where to start and what to do first, Im currently AR 29,I just started second archon quest, Idk if im doing it right lol😅. Hopefully I sort it out,
Dust of Azoth only converts gem fragments that you use to level up your character, but I agree.. I've even been saying to myself this for a long while now, that we need a tool like Dust of Azoth that can convert talent books. It's crazy that we haven't got anything like that in the game yet.
I started around the end of December and was so overwhelmed, I had to ask my sister about everything. I explored everywhere except inazuma at the beginning since I love exploring so I was good for most of the new characters I got, but I did get a few from inazuma and couldn't ascend them, it sucked a$$