E-flite UMX Timber X BNF Basic with AS3X and SAFE select, 570mm - Model AV8R Review
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- In Model AV8R Episode 42, we feature the new 3s powered UMX Timber X from Horizon Hobby! In our review we'll cover how it is packaged, our set up, and we put it through its paces with sport, 3D, and Bush flying at several venues including our front yard! This is a fantastic, versatile Ultra Micro!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:26 About the UMX Timber X
02:59 Some Things We Like
04:35 Our Set up, Set up page
07:16 Sport and 3D Flying
12:48 Bush Flying
14:40 Our Final Thoughts - Zábava
I crammed an 800mAh 3s in mine, as far in as she'd allow. The little gear takes a beating. But I can fly all over my neighborhood and my legs give out before the bat does. It's my 1st plane and I've had a blast with her. She takes a beating and just keeps flying ( after some gluing and taping, of course 😅)
I've since bought the PA18 super cub, and am having so much fun with them both. Just started rc flying a month and a half ago. And I love seeing "my planes" getting wrung out on CZcams. Thanks for this awesome video 👍
Al thanks man! Welcome to the hobby! Glad the Lil Timber X works well for you! We have a Model AV8R challenge video with it...check that out. Talk about tough...we put it through the ringer!
I've been flying my UMX Turbo Timber Evolution and enjoying it. I guess I'll have to try one of these. Thanks for your review. They always help before I buy.
Hey Dave. This ones certainly more capable than the EVO from an aerobatic standpoint. It is also less stable though. The price we pay for the capability.
I've turned on the bell Adam, I thought I would be first to watch only to see I'm three days late 😁 what a cracking little model and I loved the runway out the front. 👍
Thanks Cliff. Man I know you are busy...so are we! Sometimes I'm a day or two later than I want to be myself, but I'll get to them! Man I'm looking forward to seeing that Dragon fly! Oh...like you I really was digging the grass runway in the front yard, but Heidi not so much! Lol.
as always GR8 review
SlowJo thank you my friend!
Awesome flying! Not my cup of tea, but awesome just the same! I’m more a TT Evo kind of guy.
Thanks! Actually, I prefer the EVO as well.
Another great review and so much useful info. Thanks for all you do to you and Heidi.
Joe thanks so much...viewers like you is why we do it!
Great review and set up suggestions.
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Thank you David!
I can't wait to get my hands on this plane.
It's fun!
@@ModelAV8RChannel I had to travel about 30 miles to the nearest hobby shop to pick it up, I am just waiting for my transmitter to arrive.
Spectacular demonstration of that micro's amazing capabilities (and yours) 👍👍! 3S micro, COOL 😎!
Thank you Mark! It is a powerful lil bugger!
nice video, Adam.......just sub today, happy flying
Thank you and thanks for subbing! Welcome to the Model AV8R family. Happy flying to you!
Highly recommend harrier flaps!!
This is one of the best rc plabe reviews I’ve ever seen and that’s coming from someone who watches these for fun all the time
Wow thank you very much! Thanks for watching.
Absolutely bodaytous flight dude!! What a NARLEY little Timber X!! 🤣
When I say "narley", that's at both ends of the SPECTRUM...
Ha!!, spectrum!!.....get it??🤣🤓
Anyway, great flight/review Adam and Heidi. I'm up in the air, I would like another sporty UMX, like the Waco. But which one?? Pitts or X....
X is easier to fix, replace parts. Pitts is not, but flies better. Mmmm.
Think Horizon will do the Waco again?? AirHammer out!!
Thanks man! You know they have a 3s Pitts out now...lol.
Awesome showcase of that little plane, love the hat 😁👌
Thanks man! Yes buddy I love the Flying Cowboys!
Never seen this in four or five years. Great Channel, better advice. Awesome
Thank you so much! We really appreciate it.
Another absolute awesome review Adam! Loved the flying and the camerawork. Awesome to see you put in perspective all the kinds of flying it can do, some flying which people wouldn't dare to try. Happy to see this channel growing and very excited for more future content!
Thank you Ryan! You really put it through its paces buddy!
@@ModelAV8RChannel I try my best😂😂😂
It's a squirrelly little plane compared to the UMX Turbo Timber Evo. Man the TTE flies like its on rails and acro's so well. Thanks for this vid, these tips will help my Timber X from not being a parts plane for the Evo lol.
Lol, glad we could help! Its fun, but yes...not near as stable as the EVO, but then again that is why it can do so much the EVO can't. I with you though...I prefer the EVO myself if I could only have one of them.
Oh my, if I cut the yard like that I'd be living in the steel building. SAFE makes it a beginner plane 😆🤩 Great review Adam, Jeff in LA USA
Lol...yeah I almost was! Yeah HH puts SAFE in everything...they are all trainers...LMAO!!
Great review.
Some nice eye twistererering moves too.
Beauty AV8R, Our toys just keep gettin better.
Jono!! Thank you buddy.
Great video, and nice flying! In addition to the wild performance on this one, the UMX Timbers are built to last. I still fly my original 2017 model all the time, and it has held up remarkably well, only needing a couple new props and a new tail. All the lights still work, all the servos still turn, the flaps still flap. An impressive bit of micro engineering for sure.
Mine too, its probably been flown more times and in more places than any other model I own and I have been an occasional flyer for over 20 years. Small space, no problem, take it on holiday, take it to work, FPV, even windy weather - it will do everything. Its a legend.
Thanks very much! I missed getting one of the originals and I like it much better than the longer nose look of the Turbo Timber. If I ever find one in good condition I'll get it!
Nice! You make it look so easy Adam
Thanks! It isn't sometimes...LOL.
Nice episode Adam! Looks like it has the float mount too!
Thanks Enzo! It does have the float hardware.
I'm having issues with the motor not always starting from zero up. It doesn't happen a lot, and the airplane is new. What do you think it is, Adam? I fly it on 70% rates, and it's really aggressive. No problems flying smoothly on low rates. Awesome review and flying as usual!
Thanks man! I'm not certain a regular throttle calibration works on a UMX, so try bumping your throttle trim up until the prop starts turning, then bump it down 1 click at a time until it stops. That should get rid of the dead spot.
nice review...I ended up with about 2 1/2 mm down elevator; about 3/4 throttle...CG still seems a 'touch' tail heavy @ 56mm ??? may be in the design for 3D...have a good one...I did tame it way down :-) ...
Thanks very much man! Yep...it is tail heavy at 56mm, but has to be for some of the 3D/XA stuff. It will do all that, but not like an actual good 3D plane...they can be balanced totally neutral and do that stuff well. I would say move the battery forward for sport/bush flying if that is all you want to do with it...it will make it more stable for sure.
That’s a great little power rocket Adam, love the display or your Orsum flight skills. 👍🏻
It is Chris! (Notice the DRCH sticker?) My flying skills - good, my landscaping skills - not so much apparently! LOL.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I didn’t see until you said, always engrossed in what you are saying. But now I see it on your wall 👍🏻
Nice review Adam. The Timber X is the advanced model of the Timber line, so it makes since that the UMX version would be taken to the extreme. With that being said I can see lots of these being flown and crashed because it is just too darn cute, HH will make lots of money on replacement parts to go with the high number of sales of this plane.
Thank you Tony! Yes I think this one will sell like hotcakes for them, and yep...there will be some over controlling happening...Lol.
Another great video i ended up with 35% Expo on my Ailerons, 30% on Elevator and Rudder i didn't even bother setting up low rates cause i never use them on any of my planes anyways. Love that you did a Wattage test on it. right at 50 watts wow.. 4.2amps.. doesn't sound like much but on this plane it has plenty of power.
Thanks Chris! Yeah I had to solder some JST adapters to do it, but I thought what the heck, and I was curious myself. It has great power, but not spectacular 3D power, I might bring in the power a bit sooner with a throttle curve so I'm more towards center gimbal in a hover...right now it hovers at around 65 to 70% throttle.
What a great review! I was trying to get used to flying mine for a bit, but I had a lot of issues with it wanting to pitch up... I didn't see an addendum with mine so that makes a lot of sense. I'll give your settings a try. I was struggling with flying with the flaps on and nearly wrote the flaps off altogether. (I've never used flaps on a plane before.) Thanks for the pointers in the comments, I think that will help a lot. You got a new subscriber today!
Thanks very much Jim for your kind words and for subscribing! You'll get her sorted out...don't give up on it. Just remember with flaps you'll have one throttle setting where she'll fly straight and level. (for me personally with this plane that is 45 to 50%) Below that throttle setting it will naturally want to pitch nose down a bit...you'll have to arrest the descent with up elevator and throttle management. Above that throttle setting it will pitch up, so you'll ether need to back off the throttle a bit or just raise the flaps. It takes a bit to get used to, but once you master it your slow flight will be much better.
A couple more things to think about when flying with landing flaps down. Your throttle changes need to be subtle...a little does a lot especially with a powerful plane. Also when you load the air frame a bit (turns) you'll need to add a bit of power with up elevator to maintain altitude. Again...takes a bit to get comfortable and master it but it is so worth it and the skills translate to other planes with flaps. Good luck with your practice and happy flying!
I love how you can hear the servos on it it makes that little plane sound Soo mean.....I love my umx timber x and the fullsize they're both always fun to fly
They are fun for sure!
Wow what a fab little UMX Bush plane!! I know it can do all that other stuff ( that I can't ) Lol but for me it screams a fly anywhere little plane, great review, and Heidi did her usual great job at filming!! P.S you need to sack that gardener 🤣😂👍
Thanks Ian! LOL! Yeah I almost got fired from that job...
Great and honest review. My take away from this is that for the more skilled pilots among us - and I no longer fit that category because l am older now and dont fly regularly enough - this can be a very capable model but dont expect a perfectly scaled down Timber X experience. Having said that I loved the full size Timber X and love UMX planes full stop so I will probably buy this one anyway!
Thanks very much for the kind words. I agree...bigger flies better...no matter where you start. The UMX's are great, but they'll never fly as smooth as a well tuned Park flyer size. This one can be tuned down...it just takes some tinkering to get it to feel right that way.
I threw my Addendum aside, lol. From now on I am going to go over those, No wonder why mine kept pitching nose up, thanks Adam. I need to make elevator adjustments, later, and gonna set low rates and adjust expos also. Thanks for the knowledge sir, great video!! I mixed elevator flaps and snap flaps also on mine.
LOL...yeah man I used to do that too! I had a guy on a forum try to make me feel like an idiot. I read them now! Glad our vid helped and thanks as always for watching! Fun lil bird...responsive...but fun.
LMAO, your grass runway is cool.
Hahahaha! I thought so too. Heidi and my neighbors...not so much!
.25 inch wide and one inch long zig zag pattern tape on the top edge of each wing one inch from outer edge should correct the regular harrier maneuver
Hmm, good to know, thanks!
Do you think this could make a good plane for me?
My last plane was 15yr ago and was a nitro trainer 4channel.
From gliders, electric to Nitro, I never really got GOOD but I sure was able to land anything without damage.
I ordered the flight sim, and only have been flying a micro heli collective pitch lately.
I love the look of that kit, small but agile. I just dont want to get some kind of newbie plane only to quickly get bored of it...
Watch all the flying in the video. It is no trainer for sure, very capable (even 3D). I'd say a good intermediate pilot can fly it. It isn't as forgiving as a trainer.
Fantastic flying and camera work here, great production!
And some really nice insights into the X. I think the Pitts will be my next UMX (need to replace my well worn turbo timber) but this looks like a ton of fun. I think it might sacrifice the bush planiness a bit too much for the flying I like to do. Probably one in my future anyway though, if only for stunting off floats at the beach.
Thanks very much Martain! The Pitts is awesome, and to be honest while this X does it all...the Turbo Timber is easier to fly slow and use as a Bush plane if that is all you want to do with it. I do love the 3s packs though...and the new Pitts uses those too.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I agree, the 3s packs for these new planes is a nice development. In my case, I can share packs with my Blade 150s, which I really appreciate.
Just got one. Thanks for your video...great. But how did you get to programing the flaperons and mixing? I'm using a Dx9.
Thanks ! Congrats on getting one. Flaperon programming is in the manual. Page 5 or 6 under advanced programming.
Yes, I got that far no problem, I asking about the adjustability of throw and elevator mix@@ModelAV8RChannel
Ahh, got ya. At 7:10 in the video is our complete set up. We always have a set up info page on reviews.
Flaperons -
Takeoff - -40%, 8% down elevator mix
Landing- -80%, 22% down elevator mix
Yeah, I saw that and that was what my question was about. I didn't have 'Flap System' available in my 'Function List'. I did not get the addendum with my plane. I watched another video and apparently there was more there on set up than you went over. I think I've got it now. Thanks
Glad you got it worked out. With no addendum I bet you were confused! Yeah so any time you are programming flaps/flaperons regardless of the plane you'll have to change the wing type in the TX to get the flap menu. We typically cover the set up based on what everyone "should" have in their manual, with any changes we make.
Great plane. What plane is the best for a beginner in a small field like a soccer field. Thanks
I would say if the person is gong to teach themself the little ultra micro Sport Cub S2 from Horizon hobby would be a good choice. Its inexpensive, has SAFE to help a rank beginner get started, is exempt from the remote ID that is coming, and is small enough and light enough not to do damage should the beginner loose control and hit something. As always though...I'd recommend that any beginner first get some instruction at least for a little bit before they go start flying at parks or ball fields.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thank you so much. I’ve been flying drones but I know fixes wing is a different animal. I do have a simulator I’m practicing on as well. Thank you so much!
I had the UMX Turbo Timber. FANTASTIC airplane. Until a massive non stopping wind gust took it away. Perfect little airplane. The only design flaw was that the rear wheel was designed to collapse pretty quickly. Did they change the rear wheel design on this one to make it last longer. Let me know please. THANKS.
They did. The wire goes in to a plastic piece like a park flyer size plane instead of being taped to the rudder like so many UMX's. We beat it up pretty good with all the bush flying...holding up well so far!
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thanks for the response Buddy.
@@gisall8205 Anytime my friend!
Brother Adam, WOW! Lemme start from the back of the video and work my way forward. So I really appreciate your candor in saying you still like the old 2s Pitts, but then I expect nothing less from you with regards to honesty. I also appreciate the fact you showed the model in ALL SORTS of flying situations and locales (strangely, there was no desert flying...HAH!). So I'm kinda on the fence with this one. My ORIGINAL UMX Timber is still around, and not in a bad state of repair either, so do I get this one or not? We'll see. Regardless, our friends at HH are still in the UMX game, and that's pretty dog-gone cool if you ask me! Now, where's that improved UMX Carbon Cub SS that folks have been screaming for??? Anyhoo, thanks for the great review, another winner from Team Gault!
Thank you brother John! So I will say in all honesty the old UMX Timber and the newer UMX Turbo Timber are easier to fly than this one. You can tell the extreme flying is what they really had in mind with the X. It DOES do everything well, but it takes a bit more skill to do it. I really like the versatility and the fact that no matter my mood it can deliver what I want out of it that particular day. That is significant to me. All that said...if I ever run across a NIB original UMX Timber for sale...it is bought on the spot. That is one of the nice things about the UMX stuff...you can get more and not have to worry so much about where you'll put it! Oh and a new 3s fuller bodied UMX Carbon Cub...yeah count me in!
@@ModelAV8RChannel Brother, you would LOVE the UMX Timber! SICK! It's a STOL monster fo sho...😉🤙😎
@@ModelAV8RChannel ANNND...I just thought of this, I love the UMX Timber soooo much, it is featured on my Y-T main picture! I've literally, comfortably, put mine down in ridiculously small places...and taken it off from equally stoopid short runways! Like I said, a STOL monster...
Great review, Adam. I have to agree with you about your *actual* favourite UMX, though. What the Timber X offers goes right over my head (pun intended). And you didn't mow that landing strip... it was that Bubba, wasn't it??!
Thank you Gina! Oh...yeah...there you go...it was Bubba! Lol
@@ModelAV8RChannel 🤣🤣🤣
Only a few flights on the timber x. It flies well but has a few weird characteristics like what you pointed out with the harrier. Hopefully I get used to it /trimmed soon. I really like the Pitts. It flies surprisingly well for a umx and looks nice too.
Thanks for watching Mark. It takes a bit to get dailed in, but it's fun when you get used to it. I need one of the updated 3s Pitts now!
@@ModelAV8RChannel that is the one I have. Might become my new favorite.
I set mine up with the flaps on 3 pos but in 0 it's up 20 then 1 pos is nuetral and then 2 pos is flaperons .....the spoilerons setting really makes a difference when doing harriers with it and helps with the wing rock.....it was super nice to see a umx with fast servos and solid control rods and connections
Cool set up!
I’m getting 10 min flight times at my house battery is 3.79 when done
Nice!
Crazy little plane! Looks much more impressive than the HKing Durafly Micro Tundra
Ha! You had to get that HK dig in...to funny. Yes it is an awesome, and crazy if you want it to be lil plane. Horizon makes the best ultra micros in the business bar none for sure. Then again they have been making them for about 15 years now and have at least 100 different models under their belt...so they should. I love the new way they are doing it as well. New 3s batteries with a known, common connector and a balance lead that run a bigger, better motor. A bit more mass so the planes carry more momentum, and better, stronger push rods with tiny ball links to make it easier to adjust control surfaces. All great improvements that just solidify their place in the ultra micro market.
Wish they made these acro umx planes in epp at least eps is just a nightmare I understand they gotta keep cost down but how much more would epp foam cost compared to eps if I have to repair a plane I'd much rather an epp or epo plus you probably wouldn't have to if you crashed the same way with eps....
It doesn't have anything to do with cost, it has to do with weight. Grams count at this size. Check out our challenge video with this plane. We hammered it. It is tougher than you think.
I am still very much a novice at best. Not sure if watching you fly inspires me to try to advance or just give up😉. Would have liked to have seen what Ryan did with it.
Thanks for posting your setups. Interesting learning that there is expo already built into the model. I always suspected there was mixing built into the trainers for coordinated turns since you can see it when moving the controls on the ground.
Probably more plane than I should be flying but I like getting the feel for what the larger control surfaces will do even in basic flight.
Well Mark don't give up for sure! lol. Ryan does the more modern fast 3D/XA flying...lots of snaps to points, tumbling, etc. He stays in the throttle more for sure.
Advancing your skills in my opinion just makes the hobby better for you. The more skill you have the less limitations you have. Also when you start the frustration level often matches or outweighs the fun level...the more skill you develop as a modeler and pilot the more the fun greatly outweighs the frustration. I would recommend a larger park flyer size aerobatic sport plane, get used to...and comfortable with that, and the UMX Timber X will be no problem at all.
Thanks for watching and commenting...we really appreciate it! Happy flying!
Great review and maybe the best review I have seen so far about this airplane. If I understod you correctly so would you not recomend this as a first plane which is the case for me but I am aware of the need for some hours on the flight sim, but I haven't found this modell in Real Flight 9.5s yet. Thanks from Sweden.
Thanks very much Leilf. Yeah the UMX Timber X can be challenging. It flies very well but it has some interesting characteristics. There are much better trainers out there.
I've been less impressed with mine. I find it doesn't fly slow at all, mine is constantly dropping the low wing in the turns. Even when I keep the power on it still tucks under. I'm still trying to figure out a CG a little more stable for non 3D flight. I am way happier with my new 3S UMX Pitts.
I understand man. The Pitts is much more stable, and I think the instability of the Timber X is what makes it so capable in acro. One thing on flying it slow...I used the flaperons and turn with rudder instead of aileron when I want to get it slow. The rudder is really sensitive so more expo was needed on that than any other surface for me. It doesn't take much rudder input to get it around and you can hear in our video (especially the stuff at our house in the front yard) that I increase the throttle slightly in the turns. If slow flight is mainly what you want moving the battery forward will make it a bit more stable as well, but it will still need some added power in the turns. I will definitely concede that the UMX Turbo Timber is much easier to fly slow if thats mainly what you want to do. The wing layout and lighter weight makes the difference.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I thought it was just me getting used to turning slow and stalling lol
I dont own this model but from what I see - for me - this plane would just take a bit more skill to fly compared to the others in my UMX fleet. Your comment just adds to that belief. The great thing about the full size timber is that it was capable of really slow flight and dead stick landings even with an older, occasional flyer like me on the sticks. I may still buy this but I will do so knowing not to expect full sized Timber X slow flight.
@@jjs3287 I think your right, it will just challenge me to be better lol
@@ModelAV8RChannel it's weird, I own the 1.2m Timber-x and while I've experienced the same tendencies with it they're much worse with the UMX version. Doing exactly as you described is what I did to tame the 1.2m but this little one keeps biting me. I guess I just need to give it even more throttle in the turns and work more on my rudder usage.
Keep the vids coming.
would it work with 3s 500mAh or would these be too heavy? i have 3 of those that i bought for the umx a-10 but after the first few flights it was clear that those don't have enough capacity at all. upgraded them to the 850mAh but now i have 3 3s 500mAh batteries lying around and this umx timber x seems to be fun :D (i also have a turbo timber evo that i fly, having something similar in tiny would be fun)
It's a fun plane for sure. It would fly on a 500mah, but in my opinion not well. These little ones are sensitive to any weight increase and at that size it doesn't take much to be to much. The UMX Timber X is robust...heavy already compared to similar UMX's. It's a full once heavier than the UMX Pitts, thats 20% heavier. I would fly it as light as I could. The 300's are pretty perfect for it.
@@ModelAV8RChannel as long as it gets airborn i'm already happy xD if its really too heavy for me to have fun i'll have to buy smaller batteries i guess. No idea what to do with the 500mAh then though :D
That happens man. In my experience just hang on to them and some other plane will come around you can use them in.
Whats more stol this or turbo timber umx
Both do well, but the UMX Timber EVO is easier to fly.
I realized I don't care what people think of expo, if it'll give me a more enjoyable flight I'll put as much expo as I think helps me. Iv even kind of started to replace my dual rates with just expo. Why program 3 settings for each control surface when you can do 1 and still have nice steady flight with full travel when you want it
I agree Jake. I usually just do a single, full rate and adjust the expo as needed. I've never been an advocate of making the plane fly completely different by flipping a switch. That said its all a matter of preference. With this plane we showed two rates because it is very sensitive and small. We are hoping as a reviewer to give the majority of pilots the best chance to have success with this on their first flight. It is one of those planes that if a less experienced pilot gets behind it they are in trouble.
@@ModelAV8RChannel absolutely, starting from the recommended settings and then adjust to your individual needs to get a flight that's best for the pilot. No need to be peer pressured into certain settings. Idk if that's actually a thing but for me it seems like there's an unspoken trend in the hobby that if your not using certain rates/expo then your doing it wrong. But if your flying and having fun I'd say your doing it right, within a certain limit of course I would want anyone being wreckless. BUT I'm sure it also depends on the equipment being used so for what it's worth dual rates and expo may not be the same from tx to tx as well as person to person, plane to plane.. Which is my point of getting the equipment set up to suit the individual pilot without external pressure. But that's just my twisted view. take it with a grain of salt, like you should with anyone's opinion.. 😜
I get where you're coming from Jake...you especially see that kind of stuff on the forums. While I know certain things can make things harder/easier on a modeler, the "right" way to do it is the way that brings you the most joy. Be safe, use smart risk assessment, and have fun!
a little screamer...
Yes it is! Thanks for watching Helmut!