Navien Power Outage. No Heat E0784 Code

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Komentáře • 45

  • @midnitemonty
    @midnitemonty Před 5 měsíci +13

    makes me appreciate my 40 gallon hot water tank that has zero power going to it... and if the world goes to shit, I have 40 gallons of drinking water sitting there.

    • @metx9915
      @metx9915 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Soooooo right. All this technology. I love my 80% boilers.

  • @wyokaiju992
    @wyokaiju992 Před 5 měsíci +13

    I'd Have them install an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) in place of that surge protector its plugged into. It'll be able to correct for power transients and hold up the power while the generator starts

    • @kevingast9799
      @kevingast9799 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I was going to recommend this too. Use them for a lot of my electronics and my pellet stove.

  • @clinte5
    @clinte5 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I would install a UPS to fill the gap between when the power is loss and when the generator kicks on, just make sure the wattage rating meets the demand for Navien combo.

  • @peterking1134
    @peterking1134 Před 5 měsíci +6

    You could use a small computer, UPS unit to supply power continuously for short periods of time in between the generator switching

  • @chatrkat
    @chatrkat Před 5 měsíci +3

    The microprocessors we all exist with now never like to see power spikes or brief drop-outs. Strange things can happen, seemingly for no reason. ~ Good to hear things are going good with your boy.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Standard electronics design practice is to have a chip which holds the digital circuitry in reset whenever power isn't stable. This is even included in most microcontrollers. There must be something wrong with their design (or a defect in the particular unit) if power fluctuations can lead to corruption of the nonvolatile memory.

  • @marknaravas318
    @marknaravas318 Před 5 měsíci +3

    And somehow, before all
    These computers, we had gas furnaces with thermocouples that lasted years, always worked, and the most complicated thing to do was relight the pilot

    • @kenrolle2338
      @kenrolle2338 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Unfortunately cars are the same way if not worse.

    • @marknaravas318
      @marknaravas318 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@kenrolle2338 I was a mechanic for over 25 years. I spent the last 20 chasing signals and voltages all over them!

    • @Jon-hx7pe
      @Jon-hx7pe Před 5 měsíci

      except they dumped 40% of the heat produced up the stack including cycling losses and had minimal safeties. it is possible to make a 90%+ furnace with minimal electronics (just the ignition module), that is what the first ones were like. a bit of complexity is okay as long as it has benefits like improved comfort or lower electric consumption- complexity for complexity's sake is a problem.

    • @marknaravas318
      @marknaravas318 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Jon-hx7pe tell the engineers that. I don’t see anything ever getting easier to work on

    • @Jon-hx7pe
      @Jon-hx7pe Před 5 měsíci

      in fairness, some have gotten better with respect to service access. like on new lennox condensing flame sensor and igniter are very easy to get at. the older carrier condensing furnaces were really horrible for service access and that has improved. the electronics are indeed getting more complex.@@marknaravas318

  • @phaedrus2633
    @phaedrus2633 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I know that you're thinking the same thing I am. Circuit board. If everything else seems to be working, yet it's throwing codes. And you just don't want to replace it, because those are rather expensive, although, it's probably covered under the customer's warranty.

  • @theodorgiosan2570
    @theodorgiosan2570 Před 5 měsíci +1

    A UPS (Uninterruptible power supply) would be perfect for this application. Even a large computer unit should be enough to carry it onto the generator. Cheap enough and should solve the issue. I will say, I never had an issue like this with my Bosch Therm C 1210ESC. Power can go down to 100v or less and it runs like there's no issue. Power can go out and it starts up like nothing happened. The gas line can be full of air and it starts up like nothing happened. It's actually pretty amazing how reliable it is but being a "commercial" unit I would expect it.

  • @phaedrus2633
    @phaedrus2633 Před 5 měsíci +2

    That's a nice, neat installation job. It looks like one installed by a tech. Still, too many pipes for my taste.

  • @watermanone7567
    @watermanone7567 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Might want to try a battery backup (UPS) like they use on a computer. Not too expensive and will stop the surge and will keep the system on until the generator starts and or power is restored. I put in two of them and the battery last more than 5 years. The battery is similar to ones used in riding lawn mowers but better quality. Thanks

  • @bobbywanger8123
    @bobbywanger8123 Před 5 měsíci +1

    👍🔥

  • @mxslick50
    @mxslick50 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I see a lot of suggestions for a UPS, and I agree with one very important caveat: Use ONLY a true Sinewave UPS, not one of the cheaper "Modified Sinewave" type. The non-true sinewave types produce a very choppy waveform that electronics don't like. (The main reason why they still work with a computer is that a computer power supply is heavily filtered compared to the simple power supplies in stuff like the tankless shown here.)

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Unless it's a capacitive dropper an electronic power supply won't really care. I'd be more concerned about AC-only motors like the circulator pump and zone valves.

  • @bobwhammer4237
    @bobwhammer4237 Před 5 měsíci +2

    gotta be something on the main PCB that holds the configuration

    • @RJGamer-zb4lb
      @RJGamer-zb4lb Před 5 měsíci +3

      that's what I was thinking also. maybe the memory chip is bad or maybe there is a battery on the board to keep the data like a computer v3 battery that has gone bad.

  • @BeautifulAngelBlossom
    @BeautifulAngelBlossom Před 5 měsíci +1

    they coin back up power battery like computers have to keep settings

  • @boomer9900
    @boomer9900 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Maybe the control board has a backup battery like PC's do and it is flat.

  • @chrissipple1018
    @chrissipple1018 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Isn't technology wonderful, the manufactures turn the contractor and customer into their research and development department.

  • @patrickb5656
    @patrickb5656 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Wouldn't a UPS battery backup work?

  • @aa999xyz
    @aa999xyz Před 5 měsíci +1

    what about a solar generator as a UPS just for that unit?

  • @merllhagard6799
    @merllhagard6799 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Fucking hell. Time for some steak and rice. What a daym day...

  • @daddygc5814
    @daddygc5814 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Sorry,no wall hung boiler or hot water heater

  • @jimmy8653
    @jimmy8653 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Not to be rude but that unit is not suppose to be plugged into a power strip😊

    • @MiHeatingGuy
      @MiHeatingGuy  Před 5 měsíci +1

      customer did that

    • @user-rf4ps5co8r
      @user-rf4ps5co8r Před 5 měsíci

      The responsibility of the installer should be to make sure the electric is plugged in properly to an outlet grounded

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I don't see what the problem is. It's not overloaded and the extra surge suppression won't hurt. That's probably why the customer added it.
      The weird thing is that's a "energy-saving" power strip which automatically switches off some of its outlets when the device plugged into the "control" outlet isn't drawing power.

    • @user-rf4ps5co8r
      @user-rf4ps5co8r Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@eDoc2020 It’s not up to code can’t use extension cords of any kind

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@user-rf4ps5co8r What code is that a violation of? Also that unit is UL listed as relocatable power tap and surge protective device, not an extension cord.

  • @damionfragoso2655
    @damionfragoso2655 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Only solution for this kind of stupidity is that outlet is directly connected to a power bank. So even if the power goes out in the building, the power bank never loses any power

    • @wyokaiju992
      @wyokaiju992 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Or you know, something built for exactly this called a UPS.....

  • @dougstuart9222
    @dougstuart9222 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Heard nothing but bad things about these...

    • @zack9912000
      @zack9912000 Před 5 měsíci +2

      They are beibg sued by a massive law firm right now

    • @dougstuart9222
      @dougstuart9222 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @zack9912000 Ya, I've been following it... What a mess....

  • @samsquires2877
    @samsquires2877 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I’ve heard these units are junk. Not made very well and full of issues.

    • @MiHeatingGuy
      @MiHeatingGuy  Před 5 měsíci +1

      not true

    • @Jon-hx7pe
      @Jon-hx7pe Před 5 měsíci

      pipe doctor has documented a lot of problems with them and horrible corporate behavior. @@MiHeatingGuy

    • @jerrywright6223
      @jerrywright6223 Před 5 měsíci +1

      If not true, then did they fixed the black oil residue dripping, the heat exchanger from leaking and loose screws on the heat exchanger straight out of the box?