You do realize that that really is no surprise, right? Because the judge in North Carolina is going to do exactly what the judge in Florida just did but it'll be in favor of the ACC continuing their lawsuit against FSU. It's really just tit for tat at the moment but ultimately FSU will have to pay a large sum to get out of the ACC. That's what's going to happen, and they will be out of the ACC but not for a minimum amount like some of you are thinking.
Didn't Josh Pate and his sources say there was zero chance Cristobal was going to leave Oregon to become Miami's head coach right up until it happened? Hmmm...
Josh Pate has always had bad reactions when it came to football teams. I mean damn the last 2 years he picked Miami to be in the ACC championship game. That's not fair cuz he didn't know they were going to lose to high school teams. 😂😂
The only other team that can bolt is UNC. All other schools voted to sue FSU. I don’t think they can be on both sides of the equation. They’re stuck until we know what the exit fees are going to look like.
Texas Tech alum here. As I am watching the current situation with the ACC, and looking back on what happened with the PAC, I am struck by how similar they are. You have fans of both conferences who are (were) thrilled because they know they have a landing spot in one of the two conferences everyone wants to be in. Then you have fans of schools who think they deserve a seat in them, and are vehemently against joining the Big 12. Last, you have fans who are sitting back wishing, and hoping, that none of this happens. Believe me, the same thing is quietly happening in the Big 12. However, the huge difference between the Big 12, and any other conference? We have been on our “death bed” at different times, for over a dozen years. We have somehow managed to survive. Who knows how long that will last, but to those fans who might be left behind, we understand your pain, and would welcome those schools who might get an invite. As a side note, I hope NC State joins the Big 12 because a Tech player was seriously injured during a game a couple of years ago, and he was treated very, very well by those at NC State.
Wait until you see what happens with the Big 12 in 4 or 5 years. You won't just see something you think is SIMILAR. You will see the EXACT SAME THING with the Big 12 playing the Role of the PAC 12. But you will NEVER see the ACC get PAC 12'd. Mainly because of all the relevant FACTS you do not see in the ACC.
I think since the interview came out that one of the litigation attorneys who is helping Clemson and FSU. Is a retired attorney from NC who helped write the grant of right contracts and primary involved with ESPNU in Charlotte . A statement from a attorney not involved in this litigation made the most since, is why Josh might think the way he does. "You hire the architect to know the best way to tear the building down. You hire the attorney (who wrote the contract) to know the best way to tear up the contract". It's crazy to think this man retired less than 60 days before he contacted the schools or someone put a birdie in the schools ear about him. Almost makes you think if there was their bad blood with the new commissioner and certain attorneys. And now all of a sudden Ashley Moody has changed the verbiage in her litigation.
FSU actually has a worldclass criminal justice program, well mainly because they can study their alumni and current player's arrest, prison, and parole history.
No one outside Tallahassee or Clemson thinks their teams even matter to the rest of the ACC. They will not be missed even in football. In fact, purging the two community colleges will strengthen the ACC academics.
It's not the UNC Board of Governors who is going decide for Carolina and State, it's the NC Legislature who owns both schools and funds them. That legislative body is loaded with NCSU and Duke alums who don't want those lucrative UNC rivalries to go away. They are worth tens of millions in just local tourist revenue to say nothing of the TV. Yes, Duke alum hold some of the purse strings here to billions of dollars funding the UNC System. The NC Leg is going to keep UNC in the ACC fold to preserve the Triangle rivalry games. They may let Carolina and State join the same new conference but that is less desirable option as Duke is left out.
The only path fs and Clemson have is to pay 500 million, if they want out. The funding will stabilize the acc remaining teams. Acc will survive either way. It's the lil 12 that will be posched.
Kenton's right that leaving the ACC for most of it's members is not an option right now. Maybe if ACC future value drop significantly below the B12's. Difference must be more than whatever the exit fee at that time.
I see what your saying but if you ready the cbs article it does say that it is projected by tv experts that with the expansion of the big 12 the media will double that should help to make up that difference then you can set a portion to see about maybe buy that small portion of your rights back I think it worth exploring because you can’t just sit by on your hands and do nothing
Hello Guys. I don’t understand the UNC hoopla as the next best after Notre Dame. NC State has consistently fielded a much better football program and fan support is rabid. Go Clemson.
I respect what UNC has done in Basketball. But UNC is been irrelevant in Football the cash producing sport. NC State has consistently produced a better football team.
Nobody out side of North Carolina even knows that there’s a NC State. They’ve had decent success lately, but they’ve been irrelevant in almost every sport since their basketball success in the 1980s. The University of North Carolina, being the flagship school of the state, has national recognition and a well marketed brand. None of this is solely about football. UNC has been playing football for over 100 years. Is it the best? Nope, but a lot of the schools in the SEC and Big 10 are irrelevant in football.
ESPN and Fox will not allow any ACC team to move to the bigten or sec. Instead they will merge 8 teams from the ACC and all of the XII, rename it and up the payout to about $50m splitting the cost. (ESPN $25m/ Fox $25m) 4 regional pods of 6 teams. CVC knows whats going on. Stanford and ND move to bigten
Changing the conference name won't have a negative impact. 1) We still call Twitter... Twitter. 2) Of you changed the name ofbthe SEC, it won't change their dominance.
The UNC theory is a popular one. However, if UNC is going to file suit they still need the BOGs approval. If a meeting like that had occurred or will be occurring we would/will all know because of open meeting laws in NC.
I also have to remind everyone that Miami's previous president is no longer at the helm. Although they have an interim president for the moment, I'm hearing that he's very pro athletics. Should this man become the new president at Miami don't be surprised if he wants to go in another direction from the ACC regardless of what their Athletic Director said earlier about Miami having a strong relationship with the ACC.
@@SoSerious919if FSU and Clemson leave I have to assume ESPN will renegotiate lower unless ACC can add 4 teams to replace them. That equals less revenue per team. BigXII adds Miami and Louisville, I think that is an increase in revenue per team. Who knows, I hope FSU and Clemson just stay and keep ACC strong. We need to fight the B1G/SEC domination.
They tried to dissolve the ACC they had 7 teams willing to leave They needed 1 more to dissolve the ACC after July 1 they will need 3more to dissolve the conference
what happened to the Caroweenie girl for Locked on ACC? It seemed like she was a little butt-hurt by the Dirty Foot Club getting butt-kicked by NC State... maybe that's why she's no longer around? She got a little too partisan?
That’s not entirely true though. UNC has to provide a detailed financial analysis plan for any move. The BOG then would have to make the decision to let them go or make them stay. No where is there specific language that says that NCSU has to go with UNC.
Alex “Donknow” anything and Kenton “Gibbs” a slanted and non objective perspective on most things ACC. This podcast is agenda based from beginning to end. Somebody please get the SNL writers to watch these posts…😂😂😂
You guys seem convinced that you will be getting the same money tomorrow that you are getting today. When USC & UCLA left the remaining Pac teams best offer was about 1/2 with the chance to bump it up slightly by selling viewing packages door to door like girl scout cookies. You are not facing a pretty future. To pooh pooh joining the Allstste 12 as lateral is assinine. Your future is G5. Maybe 20 but probably 15 m/yr. Good luck.
YES. They believe their TV Contract (which WILL absolutely STAND for 12 more years) and SAYS the $$$ will be the same means it will be the same. While the PAC 12 TV Contract EXPIRED. Then the PAC 12's NEW CONTRACT was less money. They base their opinion on the FACTS not the CONJECTURE (do you know what that word means? Look it up.) Are you AWARE that the Big 12 LOST $8 Million worth if Tier 3 Income to get current TV Contract? I doubt it. Like most Big 12 fans you are ILLITERATE when it comes to reading Financial Data. We understand NUMBERS and WORDS here in the ACC.
Miami is begging FSU AND CLEMSON to leave. They might finish in the top 3 of the ACC🤣🤣.. I can't remember.... How many ACC championship games has Miami been in?..
They have been to one and got blown out. Haven't won a single acc football championship since joining the league. They have watched their rival win 4 and play in 6.
ESPN and Fox decides that, not the conference. Why would ESPN pay more for teams to go to another conference that it would have to share content with Fox. It won’t pay more. It already has full control of the ACC content.
LMAO What MONEY will you OFFER THEM to get them to JOIN? You have no more Pro Rata NOW. Are your current schools going to give up $10 Million EACH just to give the ACC teams $$$ EQUAL to what they will get in the ACC? So to get 4 ACC schools... you think yours will give up EVERY PENNY of what they make NOW just to get them? You have NO MONEY to OFFER.
Man, I see that we've got some real haters up in this blog. Well, whatever you want to believe in terms of who's headed over to the Big12, one of those programs isn't Miami. Bet on that.
The Greedy 2 will probably only take FSU & maybe Clemson, with an open invitation to ND. The rest of your schools would lower their conferences per team take home. I really think Sankey knows his teams are by far the most valusble football entities, and he'll stand pat. B1G needs to takebyour best in order to stay close to the SEC. When push comes to shove, the Big 12 offering landing strips to NC, Duke, NCST, Miami, Louisville, Virginia,VTech & Pitt will feel like a god send; just like it felt to the 4 corner schools!
Any conference sponsorship should be presented by like the Rose Bowl presented by Citi. The "Chik FIl A Bowl" was ridiculous. Corporate Marketing Depts....presented by....good. inserting your dumb ass name over tradition....BAD.
I doubt that ND would leave their independence for a conference. NBC television payout is enough to keep their status. Also, the Big teams will continue to schedule with ND.
Also, the Fla judge just granted FSU sovereign immunity and denied the ACC motion to dismiss
You do realize that that really is no surprise, right? Because the judge in North Carolina is going to do exactly what the judge in Florida just did but it'll be in favor of the ACC continuing their lawsuit against FSU. It's really just tit for tat at the moment but ultimately FSU will have to pay a large sum to get out of the ACC. That's what's going to happen, and they will be out of the ACC but not for a minimum amount like some of you are thinking.
He granted them SI? Really?
Didn't Josh Pate and his sources say there was zero chance Cristobal was going to leave Oregon to become Miami's head coach right up until it happened? Hmmm...
He also said that the B1G was going back to divisions as part of the playoff negotiations.
Kinda like how Kenton claimed the GoR was ironclad and no way teams were leaving the ACC
Josh Pate has always had bad reactions when it came to football teams. I mean damn the last 2 years he picked Miami to be in the ACC championship game. That's not fair cuz he didn't know they were going to lose to high school teams. 😂😂
Love watching NCST fans realize that they are one of the top 5 schools the Big12 wants.
Hell Yes we want you in "THE BIGXII" !!!
@@Phislammajamma4ever bro yes we do.
The door is wide open for NC St. bring Louisville with you!
Texas ain't walking through that door. Nor is any other team with a rep.
As a Texas Tech fan, and therefore a big 12 fan, the consensus seems to be we only want - NC State, Pitt, Louisville, and Miami or Virginia Tech.
I agree with Kenton, I think another school is about to bolt the ACC. Maybe more than 1
The only other team that can bolt is UNC. All other schools voted to sue FSU. I don’t think they can be on both sides of the equation. They’re stuck until we know what the exit fees are going to look like.
@@williamsheen837and I don’t think UNC can leave without NCSU. State governing board overlaps
Texas Tech alum here. As I am watching the current situation with the ACC, and looking back on what happened with the PAC, I am struck by how similar they are. You have fans of both conferences who are (were) thrilled because they know they have a landing spot in one of the two conferences everyone wants to be in. Then you have fans of schools who think they deserve a seat in them, and are vehemently against joining the Big 12. Last, you have fans who are sitting back wishing, and hoping, that none of this happens. Believe me, the same thing is quietly happening in the Big 12. However, the huge difference between the Big 12, and any other conference? We have been on our “death bed” at different times, for over a dozen years. We have somehow managed to survive. Who knows how long that will last, but to those fans who might be left behind, we understand your pain, and would welcome those schools who might get an invite.
As a side note, I hope NC State joins the Big 12 because a Tech player was seriously injured during a game a couple of years ago, and he was treated very, very well by those at NC State.
Wait until you see what happens with the Big 12 in 4 or 5 years. You won't just see something you think is SIMILAR. You will see the EXACT SAME THING with the Big 12 playing the Role of the PAC 12. But you will NEVER see the ACC get PAC 12'd. Mainly because of all the relevant FACTS you do not see in the ACC.
I think since the interview came out that one of the litigation attorneys who is helping Clemson and FSU. Is a retired attorney from NC who helped write the grant of right contracts and primary involved with ESPNU in Charlotte . A statement from a attorney not involved in this litigation made the most since, is why Josh might think the way he does.
"You hire the architect to know the best way to tear the building down. You hire the attorney (who wrote the contract) to know the best way to tear up the contract".
It's crazy to think this man retired less than 60 days before he contacted the schools or someone put a birdie in the schools ear about him. Almost makes you think if there was their bad blood with the new commissioner and certain attorneys. And now all of a sudden Ashley Moody has changed the verbiage in her litigation.
5 Stages of grief, unfolding in real time...
ACC has some great academic schools; FSU is one of the worst academically. And you expected FSU alumni and fans to act rationally?
FSU actually has a worldclass criminal justice program, well mainly because they can study their alumni and current player's arrest, prison, and parole history.
No one outside Tallahassee or Clemson thinks their teams even matter to the rest of the ACC. They will not be missed even in football. In fact, purging the two community colleges will strengthen the ACC academics.
1st time watching but Kenton Gibbs ima fan bro lol.. The Anita Baker reference and bar was perfect.. Go Noles!
How is UNC directly responsible for what's going on now?
The Last 10 minutes ruled. More content like this please
I just want the chance to purchase individual games to watch. I don't know why that isn't a thing.
It's not the UNC Board of Governors who is going decide for Carolina and State, it's the NC Legislature who owns both schools and funds them. That legislative body is loaded with NCSU and Duke alums who don't want those lucrative UNC rivalries to go away. They are worth tens of millions in just local tourist revenue to say nothing of the TV. Yes, Duke alum hold some of the purse strings here to billions of dollars funding the UNC System. The NC Leg is going to keep UNC in the ACC fold to preserve the Triangle rivalry games. They may let Carolina and State join the same new conference but that is less desirable option as Duke is left out.
FSU and Clemson to the SEC, while the ACC adds Tulane, Uconn, and Have Notre Dame become a full member.
Notre dame has no desire to be a full member of the ACC. Notre Dame has its own tv deal with nbc that pays much more than the ACC deal.
😂😂😂😂😂Keaton 😂😂😂IRONCLAD 😂😂😂
Kenton Gibbs is the BEST!! You pretty good too Alex!
The only path fs and Clemson have is to pay 500 million, if they want out. The funding will stabilize the acc remaining teams. Acc will survive either way. It's the lil 12 that will be posched.
After the dust settles who will be the third best conference? ACC vs Big 12
The acc is way better but it's all about money smh
It won’t matter.
@@voiceofreason2674 ACC $$$ in 150% better than the Big 12 even after some teams leave.
Here’s your curve ball. Stanford and Cal are bolting to the Big Ten. That’s right, they’re NOT joining the ACC, after all.
The big ten doesn't have room for 2 more cupcakes
If the B1G wanted Stanford and Cal, they would have already been there. Especially with Notre Dame's affinity for the former.
😂😂😂
We want to see the T-Rex! CF Line of the year!
Kenton's right that leaving the ACC for most of it's members is not an option right now. Maybe if ACC future value drop significantly below the B12's. Difference must be more than whatever the exit fee at that time.
I see what your saying but if you ready the cbs article it does say that it is projected by tv experts that with the expansion of the big 12 the media will double that should help to make up that difference then you can set a portion to see about maybe buy that small portion of your rights back I think it worth exploring because you can’t just sit by on your hands and do nothing
lol start getting a resume together
Might want to try watching paint dry. Way more exciting than soccer. Soccer is a sport in Europe not here.
Looking good Kenton.
Hello Guys. I don’t understand the UNC hoopla as the next best after Notre Dame. NC State has consistently fielded a much better football program and fan support is rabid. Go Clemson.
UNC is a national brand, NC St is not.
I respect what UNC has done in Basketball. But UNC is been irrelevant in Football the cash producing sport. NC State has consistently produced a better football team.
@@boweevil8390 it isn’t all about football
Neither has won an ACC CG.
Wake has. Go figure....
Nobody out side of North Carolina even knows that there’s a NC State. They’ve had decent success lately, but they’ve been irrelevant in almost every sport since their basketball success in the 1980s. The University of North Carolina, being the flagship school of the state, has national recognition and a well marketed brand. None of this is solely about football. UNC has been playing football for over 100 years. Is it the best? Nope, but a lot of the schools in the SEC and Big 10 are irrelevant in football.
ESPN and Fox will not allow any ACC team to move to the bigten or sec. Instead they will merge 8 teams from the ACC and all of the XII, rename it and up the payout to about $50m splitting the cost. (ESPN $25m/ Fox $25m) 4 regional pods of 6 teams.
CVC knows whats going on.
Stanford and ND move to bigten
Changing the conference name won't have a negative impact. 1) We still call Twitter... Twitter. 2) Of you changed the name ofbthe SEC, it won't change their dominance.
The billion wouldn't go to the schools it would likely be used to improve the overall conference.
The UNC theory is a popular one. However, if UNC is going to file suit they still need the BOGs approval. If a meeting like that had occurred or will be occurring we would/will all know because of open meeting laws in NC.
UNC is going nowhere. Dennis Dodd put UNC pro-rata well below BIG-10 let alone the SEC
People who think FSU was playing around flexing finally getting that cold water on their face
I also have to remind everyone that Miami's previous president is no longer at the helm. Although they have an interim president for the moment, I'm hearing that he's very pro athletics. Should this man become the new president at Miami don't be surprised if he wants to go in another direction from the ACC regardless of what their Athletic Director said earlier about Miami having a strong relationship with the ACC.
It is all about the $$$$.
What Josh Pate subliminally saying is the acc is going to dissolve!! And it's definitely going to happen..... June 30th 👀🤫😁
What’s next rumor. Blue Chew Mountain West.
He knows Miami, Louisville, VT, Pitt are joining the Big12. Maybe even Duke, NCST & GT.
Keep thinking that Miami is one of those teams joining the Big12, I see. You're apparently on crack or some illicit drug!
They would leave the ACC to make less money that doesn’t make sense
@@SoSerious919if FSU and Clemson leave I have to assume ESPN will renegotiate lower unless ACC can add 4 teams to replace them. That equals less revenue per team. BigXII adds Miami and Louisville, I think that is an increase in revenue per team. Who knows, I hope FSU and Clemson just stay and keep ACC strong. We need to fight the B1G/SEC domination.
@@WhosBosko You knowledge of the ACC Contract does not EXIST. You know NOTHING TRUE to believe that BS.
@@MercerKnowsBall czcams.com/video/NCg9AjJk64g/video.htmlsi=NrFSuyuk5T0xEUSz
Donno that is perfect!
5:00 Clemson & FSU both give notice before 8/15. Then it is Game Over for the ACC
LMAO on the Delusions. Get some FACTS Hokie Fan. ACC is STRONG even after they leave. The Internet is FUll of BS and LIES. Get some FACTS.
I Hope so they need to give notice for sure
Can you guys just dissolve the ACC?
They tried to dissolve the ACC they had 7 teams willing to leave They needed 1 more to dissolve the ACC after July 1 they will need 3more to dissolve the conference
what happened to the Caroweenie girl for Locked on ACC? It seemed like she was a little butt-hurt by the Dirty Foot Club getting butt-kicked by NC State... maybe that's why she's no longer around? She got a little too partisan?
See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable.
Sincerely,
The Big Ten
The Traegler Grills Backyard Brawl.
Josh is right 99 times out of 100.
If another team wants to leave, thay could leave is Uva. Unc is being restricted by the nc state government unless nc state goes wurh them
You have no clue
That’s not entirely true though. UNC has to provide a detailed financial analysis plan for any move. The BOG then would have to make the decision to let them go or make them stay. No where is there specific language that says that NCSU has to go with UNC.
Wow these guys have changed their tune from the last time I watched. Really have moved on from this isn’t happening
Scalp Pate just eloquent guesser
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No one is choosing relegation down to mid 12 G5 level.
There may be schools or school administrations who decide they can't or don't want to play at the top level.
@@curtismartin2866they wont leave that money on the table
Yormark is about to have the big 12 on Payday loans and smoke shop advertisements. Poverty.
🙄Shutup🤫
@@ardentlions6636 Impoverished.
Alex “Donknow” anything and Kenton “Gibbs” a slanted and non objective perspective on most things ACC. This podcast is agenda based from beginning to end. Somebody please get the SNL writers to watch these posts…😂😂😂
You guys seem convinced that you will be getting the same money tomorrow that you are getting today. When USC & UCLA left the remaining Pac teams best offer was about 1/2 with the chance to bump it up slightly by selling viewing packages door to door like girl scout cookies. You are not facing a pretty future. To pooh pooh joining the Allstste 12 as lateral is assinine. Your future is G5. Maybe 20 but probably 15 m/yr. Good luck.
YES. They believe their TV Contract (which WILL absolutely STAND for 12 more years) and SAYS the $$$ will be the same means it will be the same.
While the PAC 12 TV Contract EXPIRED. Then the PAC 12's NEW CONTRACT was less money.
They base their opinion on the FACTS not the CONJECTURE (do you know what that word means? Look it up.)
Are you AWARE that the Big 12 LOST $8 Million worth if Tier 3 Income to get current TV Contract?
I doubt it. Like most Big 12 fans you are ILLITERATE when it comes to reading Financial Data.
We understand NUMBERS and WORDS here in the ACC.
The MIGHTY ACC is going NOWHERE
They are going somewhere, into the ground.
At least Miami will win their first ACC championship after Clemson, UNC and FSU leaves. Go Canes!!!
Miami is begging FSU AND CLEMSON to leave. They might finish in the top 3 of the ACC🤣🤣.. I can't remember.... How many ACC championship games has Miami been in?..
They have been to one and got blown out. Haven't won a single acc football championship since joining the league. They have watched their rival win 4 and play in 6.
If the SEC or Big pimped out naming rights it would bring in triple what the B12 or ACC could get.
What acc fans don’t understand is that once the Big12 adds acc teams, the conference will get more money. Not just at the per Rata.
ESPN and Fox decides that, not the conference. Why would ESPN pay more for teams to go to another conference that it would have to share content with Fox. It won’t pay more. It already has full control of the ACC content.
LMAO What MONEY will you OFFER THEM to get them to JOIN? You have no more Pro Rata NOW.
Are your current schools going to give up $10 Million EACH just to give the ACC teams $$$ EQUAL to what they will get in the ACC?
So to get 4 ACC schools... you think yours will give up EVERY PENNY of what they make NOW just to get them?
You have NO MONEY to OFFER.
Chick-fil-A acc's stupid, I'd rather Barclays or Metlife's ACC.
Never send hillbillies to sign contracts ACC.
Man, I see that we've got some real haters up in this blog. Well, whatever you want to believe in terms of who's headed over to the Big12, one of those programs isn't Miami. Bet on that.
F Fla in everything they are.
The Greedy 2 will probably only take FSU & maybe Clemson, with an open invitation to ND. The rest of your schools would lower their conferences per team take home.
I really think Sankey knows his teams are by far the most valusble football entities, and he'll stand pat. B1G needs to takebyour best in order to stay close to the SEC.
When push comes to shove, the Big 12 offering landing strips to NC, Duke, NCST, Miami, Louisville, Virginia,VTech & Pitt will feel like a god send; just like it felt to the 4 corner schools!
It takes money to run a business and your leadership is not producing your team will go down with the ship.
If Big grabs FSU, Clemson and somehow grabs ND then the value of the two conferences will need a reexamination. 😂😂😂😂
LMAO DELUSIONAL
Coke-ColACC, "Welcome to Seminole Hard Rock Stadium".
Any conference sponsorship should be presented by like the Rose Bowl presented by Citi. The "Chik FIl A Bowl" was ridiculous. Corporate Marketing Depts....presented by....good. inserting your dumb ass name over tradition....BAD.
ND to the B1G is what Pate knows
I doubt that ND would leave their independence for a conference. NBC television payout is enough to keep their status. Also, the Big teams will continue to schedule with ND.
ND is contractually obligated to join the ACC if they go the conference route.