Natural Selection Part 3: A Seductive Swindle | Creation.Live Podcast: Episode 3
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- Darwin’s idea of natural selection involves long ages of trial and error, making it a fundamentally death-driven concept. Could such a process be adapted to fit a Christian narrative? Or is natural selection an idolatrous idea that can seduce even those who hold to a biblical worldview?
On this episode of Creation.Live, Drs. Thomas, Tomkins, Clarey, and Guliuzza answer these questions and more as they discuss the scholarly literature on the subject.
This episode is part of a three part series on the topic of natural selection.
Natural Selection Part 1: A Darwinian Deception | Creation.Live Podcast : Episode 1 - • Natural Selection Part...
Natural Selection Part 2: A Poor Personification | Creation.Live Podcast: Episode 2 - • Natural Selection Part...
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This was so enjoyable and I will be sharing this. Thanks so much guys, regards Jake in Aus
Thanks for watching!
Is was enjoyable because it was so ridiculous.
@offthefront7537 Your comment is amusing, since it's just an opinion. One could say your opinion is rediculous. Or do you have some kind of evidence for your world view that you can detail? As I recall, you have zero evidence for any of it, not even transitional fossils, let alone abiogenesis. There's a bunch of fictional text books with hand drawn squiggles taught as fact. Amusing you are so sure of your view. Have you been out and looked at the evidence yourself? So it's just a biased opinion. Hopes and dreams.
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@@offthefront7537you must be “professor Dave explains” CZcamsr in disguise.
@@UserRandJ Amusing all around. Exactly what proof do have for your own world view. A very old, fictional story written by god knows who. Pun intended.
Natural selection can eliminate the "unfit" but where do the "more fit" come from? The Edsel was selected against and disappeared but the market didn't provide an alternative a designer did. We are intricately designed by our designer God.
No. The unfit get eliminated. By preditor or chance (do you think the eagle only gets the week or stupid mice? Of course not). There is no external agent (“natural selection”) selecting things to survive! Please go back and listen carefully again.
This series of 3 is very well done and should be helpful to both believers and skeptics as it addresses worldview head on. Thank you all for these thoughtful, vulnerable, and hospitable conversations.
Thank you for the great discussion of natural selection. I think this new idea of designed adaptability is the right track.
I do want to say, though, that evidence will never convert a sinner who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness (cf. Rom 1:18-20). What these 3 podcasts have done extremely well is to answer the fool according to his folly so that he cannot be wise in his own eyes (Proverbs 26:5). Once a person admits to the inconsistency of his own worldview, his faith in his idol is destabilized. What he then needs is proclamation of the truth, not more evidence that he should weigh that he might judge God. Man needs to be shown that God is the judge, and it is man himself who is on trial! Remember, there is no neutral ground on which to stand and impartially weigh evidence. Interpretations will always depend on the presuppositions of one's worldview. Your friend did not realize there was better evidence for creation. Rather, he realized that the emperor (evolution) had no clothes! Then he was ready to hear the truth.
There is no battle between science and Bible. Instead, there is the battle between atheism and science. The famous atheist Richard Dawkins’ words are revealing: “Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” Here Dawkins (perhaps inadvertently) admitted that atheism has never had anything to do with intellect or science. Atheists are of course happy if they feel like getting some support from Darwin's old pseudo scientific ideas. We can see Dawkins’ atheistic world view, but no scientific approach from him.
Atheists seem to be painfully ignorant of genome’s limits to produce evolution in the body plan of any given organism. Only superficial adaptive changes are scientifically verified. Natural selection could produce evolution if it could deliver new genes to the survivors. Natural selection however delivers nothing! It just destroys the individuals who have less suitable genes for the environment where they live. The winners must go on with the genes they have = no evolution. Because the intraspecies adaptation happens through gene loss, we see devolution not evolution.
Isn't this funny? The so-called evolution is in fact devolution through continuous gene loss. The Law of Entropy guarantees that the overall direction of earth's ecosystem is decay and extinction. So evolutionists are in fact quite comical individuals 😃
Mutations can’t help evolution either. Science doesn't know mutations that could transform the body plan of any given organism. All known mutations have been non-structural like sickle-cell mutation, lactose tolerance, wingless flies, antibiotic resistant bacteria etc.
Atheism is a religion. Not all religions are centered on a belief in a god, gods, or supernatural forces. The famed psychanalyst Sigmund Freud described religion as "a form of wish fulfillment". That fits perfectly to the godless religion called atheism.
Great discussion, boys. Many brilliant thoughts and ideas, covering darwin's stupid misconceptions and childish, magical 'thinking", and also up to date. Praise the Lord!
I really hope the other creationist organizations will follow suit and discard this pagan concept of "natural selection".
I commend ICR for being independent thinkers and leaders in this field.
***NO NEED TO CALL NAMES , you have to work it out by yourself.***
@@adelinomorte7421 What does that even mean?
"...discard this pagan concept of "natural selection". " I'm creationist and I see the natural selection as a fact. But it also is a fact that natural selection does not generate evolution but devolution. No new genes appear in natural selection and no new genes means no evolution. All deceased individuals take their genes with them so the population's gene pool impoverish and becomes more one-sided. Evolution instead would need a richer gene pool, not a poorer gene pool.
Natural selection is the result of the built-in adaptability in the code of life for each original kind. Amazing design. PTL
@@johnglad5 Then natural selection is not natural, and it does no selecting. Natural selection was a "catch-all phrase" used by Darwin to propose that it's possible for nature to be an agent or agency. Natural selection is a "virtual characteristic", the same as "virtual reality". It doesn't exist in reality as reality. It exists in the mind as a substitute for reality. Only a Darwinist would consider natural selection as something real.
This was difficult to follow at times because of the terminology, but excellent to listen to and review. Thanks for doing this!!!
3:07 Natural Selection is selecting survival! This is SO simple!!
Then, call it 'survival selection'
I think of it as the environments 'selecting out' certain species by their inability to survive and pass on their genes.
Natural Selection is selecting survival but it can't give new genes to survivors. Read: No evolution.
Thats why so called smart people make the same decisions as the so called stupid people
Drinking
Drugs
Crime
Running red lights
All good ways to survive
My natural selection is GOD
Not even a close second
Actually using the word selection still implies someone selecting.
A few billion years is virtually nothing for the complexities of life to come into being, with its countless trillions of organizational points, and the fathomless amounts of intricacies within it material perimeters.
(I reposted this comment. My posts very often seem to have major spelling errors, after being carefully checked.)
Natural selection is when less equals more 😌 which can never occur in the Genotype, only in the Phenotype.
Indeed ... Each lost individual takes its genes with it to annihilation. Survivors do not get new genes (no gene fairy flapping around dealing genes ...). The overall gene pool impoverish. Read: No evolution.
I'm glad it's finally coming out
Thank you for a thoughtful, fact filled dialogue on evolution and natural selection. It would be very interesting to have evolution proponents included in an open discussion on this subject and intelligent design.
There is no open discussion to be had, because there is no neutral common ground. The battle is not one of evidence, but of worldview. I don't mean that there cannot be civil discussion. Rather, I mean that a battle of evidence will be futile, because evidence is always interpreted based on one's presuppositions. What this podcast does really well is to expose some major flaws in the naturalistic worldview.
I suppose this idea depends on who is included in the discussion. As we heard in episode one, Dr. Thomas was once a secular evolutionist. It is clear that some people are willing to consider all reasonable options. Since the worldview presented here does in fact have some observable support in nature, it isn’t impossible to have an interesting conversation with people on both sides of the issue. The trick is to lay down the ground rules for what the topic is. The conversation should be limited to the topics of pre-programmed adaptation and “macroevolution” dictated by nature.
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@@jzarbaugh I see it as a matter of courage. It's cowardly to go along with the flow when you know its wrong, but you have something to gain from it. It takes courage and higher ethics to accept and stand up for the truth.
An entertaining and easy-to-understand conversation about Genesis creation and evolution debate is the book Axis of Beginning. A quote from the story: “To say that God needed millions or billions of years acknowledges a form of evolution and deception. God warns about adding or taking away from His Word. And adding even one more hour to six days of creation leads to a form of evolution and deception. It isn’t written: “In the beginning, God.” However . . .”
Fantastic content! Can you please publish these as audio podcasts? I'd love to be able to listen to these on the go, and it doesn't seem you're doing anything that requires video to make sense of.
We're glad to hear it! The audio versions of these podcasts can be found through Apple, Google, Spotify, and Amazon.
I use PowerDVD to extract audio from video files. Just a suggestion if you have it.
But isn’t this an audio podcast if one just listens and doesn’t have to necessarily watch ?
What I find odd is that I constantly see these armchair evolutionist claim that no-one follows anything from Darwin anymore and it's odd how we continue attacking his theories. Of course, when you dig into anything they say, it's all founded in Darwanism. Great video!
An excellent discussion. Thanks!
Well done!
Interesting and informative talk. But in this video and the previous video gave a lot of credit to Darwin, individually. ICR's founder Dr. Morris has a great book (The Long War Against God) where one of the central tenants is that evolutionary ideas are NOT new in any way, and big chunk of Darwin's theory was proposed by Greek philosophers thousand of years ago. The central premise is that Satan is trying to tell the same theme, the same lie, in slightly different variations across time.
ICR is specifically addressing Darwin...ism, that is, his use of random change and natural selection. The Long War has not had that aspect of evolution.
"tenants" --> tenets
I think God is personally involved in many adaptive abilities, on an ongoing basis.
In humans many genetic defects are not realized as diabetes, hypertension etc, until after the person has had offspring and passed the defect to the children
That's why we can count that the humankind can't be more than 6000 years old. If it was significantly older, we wouldn't exist anymore. We would've gone extinct for our genetic diseases.
Pallid sturgeon here in Missouri are protected because the shovel nose sturgeon is taking over in the Missouri River. This is costing taxpayers millions of dollars and drastically impeding on the Ability of farmers, dredgers and recreation enthusiasts to use the river without raising the costs to the consumer. But if we think logically, the pallid and shovelnose are the same fish with differing adaptations on how they breed. One likes more still water and the other can breed in water with a faster current. Also, they commonly interbreed with each other.
Meanwhile, our tax dollars are being used to perpetuate this myth. Time to re-examine all these “protected species” of like kind.
It's like when they found soft tissues in dinosaurs. Because of their time skew they never looked for soft tissues. Once that it was finally discovered they found it present in quite a few other dinosaur bones. This was a very significant discovery that they had been basically blinded to Because of their world view.
Good information. Need to improve presentation flow., improve editing.
I would like to get a copy of the paper from which the moderator read.
FACTS!!!
Lions have been eating antelope for thousands of years but yet the antelope are not getting quicker nor are the lions.
Isn't natural selection just the secular idea of life and death in our version of a fallen world brought about by sin? Do you think God's curse on the Earth has played any part in this misunderstanding from the secular world? Thorns, thistles and hard work would also select, would they not?
The metaphor of Dawin infers INTELLIGENT DESIGN.
I think you meant "implies" not "infers. The speaker implies. The listener infers.
Damn DAWINISM, 😄
@@williamgreenfield9991 infer: "To indicate indirectly; imply.", "The act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former." A speaker can infer. There are several good dictionaries online. Looks like your problem is the inference of ID.
This octopus accusation is like the ridiculous notion some leftist in Canadian government came up with during the truckers convoy, that "honk honk" us actually 'code' for another phrase with 2 words that begin with 'H'
The term 'natural selection' is an oxymoron because it means unguided, random choice: eeny, meeny, miny, mo. A box of chocolate assortment has a legend with a picture of each chocolate with their different shapes, and a few words describing their flavour, texture, etc. You make your conscious choice using the legend to help you. Random selection would be to ignore the legend and visual clues -- you wouldn't even look at the chocolates because some data would be coming in -- and blindly stabbing down into, hopefully, the box.
@@WestCoastProf thank you.
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The most evolved and adapted mouse to its environment is still but a snack to the most unadapted cat.
'Evolutionary strategy' is a favorite oxymoron of mine.
Hairs of hares whitening with winter and darkening with summer could be epigenetic, rather than simply genetic. Reduced fresh foliage for consumption in the snowy winter, together with reduced movement, meaning less chlorophyll together with less exercise, could result in whitening of the hairs of hares in such climates. In summer, foliage and chlorophyll increases to normal, along with the movements of exercise, resulting in restoration of tawny or other colour in the hares. This hypothesis can be tested using a control group of hares who are fed a fresh, chlorophyll rich diet in the snowy winter, and given free and full exercise in safe enclosures. Chlorophyll from this perspective encompasses all phytoderivatives or phytoequivalents of chlorophyll, responsible for the full array of plant coloration and, when ingested, also serving as a nutritive basis for the body's melanin production. In addition to this proposed controlled experiment with naturally tawny or otherwise colorful hares, another may be done in any climate or season. Naturally white hares may be fed a chlorophyll rich, summer fresh diet, and given plenty of safe space exercise, as a control group, and consistently observed to discern if they and/or their offspring would develop coloration, It is feasible that epigenetics, rather than genetics alone, are responsible for seasonal changes of coloration in animal species, and for some permanent ones, such as in the case of polar bears, whereas penguins, gulls and seals, for example, appear to retain color...God bless!
All this fits in the creationist worldview. There is intraspecies adaptive variation but no new body plans appear. This means there is no evolution which could lead to a new taxonomic genus or family. The evolution theory's Universal Common Ancestor (UCA) is fiction, never empirically proved.
Yes it is "epigenetic plasticity".
Proverbs 8:36 KJV - But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
And we thought that the Sadducees - those that believe that nothing supernatural exists - only lived during the time Jesus lived but those that believe there is no God, other than the ones they create and therefore can control, have always been around, that's why they were sad-u-cees.
Survival of the fittest is also a misnomer. Many factors outside of fitness come to bear when it comes to survival.
So often a creature will become prey simply because it is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is perfectly fit and active in comparison to its peers, but it has found itself in the wrong place at the wrong time, directly in the "cross hairs" of a predictor. This being pure happenstance, not having to do with its fitness.
Also, the young may die simply due to the vulnerability of being too young. It isn't yet experienced. It may not yet be as swift as a fully grown animal, all though its constitution is relatively intelligent and fit compared to other creatures of its group.
The animals that were very fit and reproduced get older and less able to outrun or maneuver a predictor. It becomes a victim due to age, not genetic lack. Actually, often dying fairly quickly and mercifully. The predictor goes after the young and the aging prey. Yes, if a creature is weak or sickly it will likely get harvested out more quickly.
Many things, including weather conditions, and prevailing diseases, not genetic lacks may cause a creature to not survive that are not related to its relative fitness.
If something abnormally horrific, like a fast spreading deadly disease hadn't gone through the creature may be a very fit creature. The deadly disease reached it through pure happenstance, not because it wasn't originally very "fit". Those organisms outside of the range of the disease survived whether they were particularly fit or not compsred to the creatures that succumbed to the overpowering disease.
There are many variables to whether a creature or plant survives that do not ultimately have to do with its initial fitness. Fitness is just one factor that plays into "deciding" whether an organism will survive or not.
Do you people realize we have learned things since Darwin?
Yes. We have learned that Darwin fell off his rocker at an early age.
It indeed is amazing how evolutionists stick to the evolution theory, while Darwin knew nothing of genes, thermodynamics or information science. It's a truly pitiful outdated pseudo scientific theory.
***yes I had and still have questions but is not you Drs. who will answer as the priests and people of responsibility never could answer to my satisfaction, yes I will have questions until I will pass to the other side of life. All answers I had in my life I had to work it out by myself, only those answers did satisfy my curiosity. Yes I had work it out and reached some conclusions, science has all the answers as well has religion, but we can not mix both as it will never reconcile, my secret is sacred and anyone can know by understanding or translating one to the other, they have different mission, language, purpose, and method; once you realize it a veil will open and no more misunderstandings. GOOD LUCK.***
Science cannot swindle. Science reports openly for all to see and review.
Naturalistic science mainly swindles. Only creationist science can be truly honest. Naturalistic science must continuously correct its mistakes, but creationist science does not make mistakes.
@@jounisuninen Your own statement defeats itself. It is correct that science is continually updating itself whereas religion sticks to what they though to be correct a few thousand years ago. Most stories from the Bible have been proven incorrect or have been taken from other beliefs. Only religion can indoctrinate and threaten people into believing something that does not have one shred of evidence. Try joining reality, it's a great place to be.
I don't think this is Creationists at our best. We have quite a few examples of natural selection in nature and in the laboratory. Selection happens. But that does not mean that is had god-like powers.
Please provide your "examples of natural selection in nature and the lab".
Death is the maximum pause in the pulsation of life, the dismal diastolic stoppage in the cosmic heartbeat. The divine will is that, ultimately, only evening sleep of breath, and not sleep of death, shall punctuate the cosmic heartbeat for eternity.
Do you know a guy called Deepak Chopra by any chance 🐨🤣
@CR-yd4qe No, I have not met Dr. Deepak Chopra, nor have I studied his works. However, I study the Bible very earnestly, and believe that it's teachings on ultimately experiencing eternal life are not only spiritually encouraging to the believer, but are also scientifically sound, in view of the vastness of the inanimate cosmos, in relation to the relative smallness of the animate cosmos of humans and other creatures, and the superabundant, infinitely resourceful capacity of the inanimate cosmos to endlessly sustain life, under divine direction.
@@johntumpkin3924 Mmmm I didn’t know old Deepak’s a Doctor 🐨 The inanimate cosmic thing and the link to the smallness of the animate one, do you think has maybe just the teeniest hint of (dare I say) hubris. 🐭
@@CR-yd4qe I don't see how...??
@@johntumpkin3924 well I do. “In the image” and all that tripe. That our diastolic stoppage or whatever that is should mean anything in any scheme of anything. 🐨
So....this is what happens when you clearly can't win....you claim the winner is a cheat who specifically cheated you!
More saxophone!! ... ... more Cowbell!!
I can dismiss Darwin very lightly. Get the PDF format "On Origin of Species". He uses such terms as "I believe", and "It is not impossible to imagine that" regularly in the text. Scientists should restrain themselves from speculation when publishing scientific information. But then, "On Origin of Species" was never intended to be a scientific paper. It was a popular text for the uninformed. Science fiction.
GOD is ABSOLUTELY GOOD. HE is LIFE.
Death came after Adam GAVE his God given authority over Earth & it's inhabitants and the planet itself OVER to satan AKA THE ETERNAL LOSER. JOHN 19:9-10 JESUS GIVES THE EXPLANATION OF LIFE, DEATH & WHO DOES WHAT.
Once the end of this age occurs there will be NO MORE DEATH.
You are living in La La Land - God gave us a manual for keeping slaves, supposedly gave tribes the right to kill nearby tribes including the men, women and children but for those doing the killing they could keep the young virgin females for themselves? This God is a moral monster and most likely pure fiction! No death for ever, people would become crowded like a pile of worms. Besides what would you do for eternity? Praise god all the day, every day????? Only a sick god would require such adulation. Good news, no one has ever seen this god and his words are certainly words from the mind of men not some all knowing spirit!
If you don't understand it. God done it. Zero degrees of thinking.
We understand that Darwin had no clue about real science. No need for God to tell us that.
If you don't understand it. The Happenstance done it. Zero degrees of thinking.
@@jounisuninen Guess we're all stupid
@@jounisuninen That which science can't explain gets filed under "randomness", "deep time", or "emergence".
Everyone knows that it is all directed by Scrat the dinorat.
Creationist prove natural selection 100%
Natural selection does not generate evolution, only devolution. Less fit go extinct with their genes but survivors do not get new and better genes to generate evolution. They have only their existing genes. When the environment changes they also go extinct. Not true?
Then why over 90% of all species in the earth's history have gone extinct and extinctions continue. No new species evolve, no matter what the Darwinists try to teach.
Evolution is not science it is philosophy.
Sorry, If Jesus(Peace Be Upon Him) is your creator, then how He couldn't safe his life? Did he created the Universe? Did he created humanity and all flora and fona on Earth? Did he created the Ancient People before him?
Show me in the original version of the Bible that Jesus(PBUH) said he was God or Creator of you and Humanity?
Dear Ahmed, I presume you are asking because you are seeking truth; may the good God fill your thirst and hunger for righteousness.
1. Jesus did not save Himself from painful and shameful death because He became a man for the very purpose of sacrificing Himself for our sins (He says so Himself in the Bible, John 12:27: "Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour") Sacrificial love is the cornerstone issue of Christian faith; God Himself is Love, that's one of His names. It's important to note that God does not only love worthy people; He loves every last human. He loves you and me, he suffered and died for my sake and yours, so that we could live forever.
2. Gospel of John, chapter 1, says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made", and later in the same chapter, that this Word is Jesus Christ. Quran, sura 4, ayat 171, also call Jesus the Word of God. In Genesis, where creation of the world is described by God speaking things into existence: "God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light."
It's important to point out that God the Father and the Son and also Holy Spirit is the same God, though three distinct Persons.
So, yes, God created the Universe, flora, fauna, and all things, and finally the first two people by His Word, Who is Jesus Christ; Son of God always existed, but He has not always been a man. He was born as Word of God from the Father, in a way we can't completely comprehend, without any mother, before the time was created; and He was born again as a Man, from an unwed Maiden, without an earthly father, after the fullness of time has arrived.
3. By saying "original version of Bible" do you imply the Bible was corrupted? The original of the books of the Bible no longer exists - as do not exist original records of Quran. The earliest complete copy of Bible in existence, Codex Sinaiticus, is dated around year 325, that's 1700 years ago; and the manuscripts with fragments of New Testament from the first century exist - while some of the apostles were still alive. There are no significant discrepancies with the text of Bible in common use. The same text that existed during the life of Muhammad, which he praised as true and worthy of following in sura 4 ayat 47 and sura 5 ayats 47 and 68, exists today.
4. Jesus says: "I and Father are one" (John 10:30), that is, He is the same God as the Father -- which the unbelieving Jews understood as Him calling Himself God, and tried to stone Him. Also, "before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58). What is written in English as "I AM" (note the capital letters,) in Hebrew is the name of God as He revealed it to Moses when speaking from the burning bush. Again, unbelieving Jews recognized that and tried to wrongfully stone Jesus for blasphemy upon saying this. Also, when apostle Thomas exclaims (John 20:28), "My Lord and my God!" in presence of resurrected Jesus, He does not rebuke him. In Mark 2:7, Jesus forgives sins, which Jews say only the God can do; so says Quran, sura 3, ayat 135.
I hope this helps in your journey. May God support you at every step.
John Chapter 1
" If Jesus(Peace Be Upon Him) is your creator, then how He couldn't safe his life?" Because He didn't want to ... When apostle Peter said to Jesus that He should save His life, Jesus reproached him:
Matthew 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. 22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!” 23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
So Lord Jesus was fulfilling His task on earth through dying for us, so that we can get forgiveness from our sins when we believe in Him.
Lord Jesus created everything as God had decided, the whole universe! Lord Jesus never denied or reproached when somebody called Him God. Jesus always admitted He is God. "I and the Father are One." (John 10:30) Let us consider THE EXCLAMATION OF THOMAS, “My Lord and my God.” (John 20:28) This is a most plain and hearty confession of the true and proper Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord Jesus was physically a man but He had God's spirit so spiritually He was God, doing on earth 100% of what His father did in Heaven.
Let's not err and misinterpret the Scriptures for there is one God the Father, the only true God as Jesus highlights. John 17:3. In the beginning God created. John 1:1 in which trinitarians in their idolatry claim erroneously that there are 3 gods. The word is an expressed thought. Plain and simple. God spoke everything into existance. However, this does not condone the Quran. With its pagan moon god allah whose symbol is the sickle moon and the sun. And the false prophet Muhammad who lived with lust filled eyes and by the sword. Jesus is the Son of God not God the Son. Let us open our eyes, our spiritual eyes and know that there is only one God, YHWH, the Father and one Lord Yahshua Messiah. HalleluYah.
@@alexanderrigby6917 God is clearly triune if you actually read the gospels and the epistles. I can also show you passages that clearly show that God often speaks in the plural in the old testament and has conversations among Himself which unless you desire to worship a schizophrenic deity makes sense if God is multiple persons. Jesus says to the Father "glorify me with the glory i had with you before the world was made." Jesus aslo said that anyone who does not honor the Son as they honor the Father, honors not the Father who sent Him. Jesus is also not the Holy Spirirt nor is the Holy Spirit the Father as Jesus sends the Holy Spirit to us from the Father according to his words in the gospels and the events of the pentacost in Acts. Matthew 28:19 Jesus clearly says that we are to go forth unto all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, making disciples of them and teaching them to observe all that He has commanded. In Revelation Jesus says I Am the First and The Last the Alpha and Omega. He says that He is the one who was dead and rose again and is alive forevermore, who holds the keys of death and hell in his hands. In the book of Hebrews chapter 1, the Father calls the Jesus God. I could continue but i recommend that you take time to read for yourself and refrain from blaspheming further.
Smart, attacking someone who's dead and can't defend themselves. Does the bible talk about that. If not it should.
There is no attack of the person, only the ideas. If Darwin's hypotheses were fallacious, what is the problem with saying so? Because he can't debunk our refutation? He couldn't do that when he was alive.
In fact, Darwin in some aspects was on the creationist side. Darwin’s book on evolution admitted that “intermediate links” [in fossils] were “perhaps the most obvious and serious objection to the theory” of evolution. Darwin recognized that the fossils collected by scientists prior to 1859 did not correspond with his theory of evolution, but he predicted that this theory would be confirmed as more and more fossils were found.
Now, one hundred and sixty years later we know that the gaps are multiplying, not disappearing. There's less and less evidence of transitional forms in the fossils.
Magic! Thank you.
For 'natural selection', read 'Magic'.😂
For "religion", read "magic". Nice self own.
Love your show...SORT OF. The Lord Jesus Christ is your Savior, but hardly your Creator.
Col 1:15 "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
"I'm going to your Father, and my Father...Your God, and my God."
"The Father is greater than I."
I guess if you believe in magic and myths, these are crazy people. A God that make a mud man, and blowed a magical breath into the mud and he’s alive.
But then nature isn't one thing to be personified. What we term as "nature" is the complex ecosystem into which everyone and everything is born and it also includes the creatures that are born into it.
These guys ignore that the temperature and the internal thermostat of the Artic Hare, is included as part of Nature.
These guys are painful to listen to.
21:15 metaphor, natural selection is all VOO DOO SCIENCE
What those scientists do is all wrong. What I do as a scientist is correct because I believe in god. Why become a scientist if you don't believe in what you were taught? Just study the bible. Why not have someone on who does not agree with your views, afraid?
If you're a scientist, you might appreciate that there are 120 separate examples so far of soft tissue and proteins found in dinosaur fossils. 🦕
Notice the breakdown of all the components of the evolution nonsense. All the parts required to give some semblance of cred to it -- eons of time required, parts and components requiring other parts and components to function properly, and all the required forethought for all of this, and the only reply from evolutionists is 'its been observed in our labs'. Does anyone with a working brain really fall for this? =).
"The best of the best of the best...you end up with humans, in that case..." Not necessarily. Humans are not an end product. They're just another organism, and not a particulariy successful one at that. The most successful organism is bacteria.
"For Darwin to take what plant breeders do and apply that to nature is absurd." Most definitely not absurd. The only difference between what breeders do, and what nature does is the purpose. Nature has no purpose. The winners are those organisms that have more offspring, whch is the same thing the breeders do, except nature doesn't care who the winners are. These guys probably shouldn't put too much faith in what Stephen L. Talbott says. Talbott believes (near as I can make out) that organisms have a purpose, and choose a direction based on that. While that might make some sense with humans, apes, and other mammals with higher order thinking, it's difficult to make it work for plants, or bacteria.
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Just because nature created organisms with no purpose in mind doesn't mean I personally don't find it interesting and beautiful. My life is as meaningful as I make it. I don't need some other source of meaning to make my life worthwhile.
@@peskyfervid6515 Who told you living organisms have no purpose, or did you figure this out yourself? Nature has no mind, so your statement doesn't follow rational thought. Did you mean it as a metaphor?
I love how smug fundies are when they talk about something they know nothing about.
Another laugher from one of the above: Each animal has a internal organism designed by God to allow the animal to change fur coats when necessary. How then does one explain the 99% of organisms that have gone extinct since life began? In a world of perfect creations desinged by a perfect creator, that wouldn't happen. Or least, it shouldn't happen. But maybe God isn't that perfect after all.
@@stephenmartin7632Nonsense, animals have died before Adam appeared.
@@georg7120 "How then does one explain the 99% of organisms that have gone extinct since life began?" This argument has been used before. We have a variety of species available today. What's the problem? Does Pesky want dinosaurs back? Maybe he wants to meet T. Rex up close and in person :|
"How then does one explain the 99% of organisms that have gone extinct since life began?" That's the Law of Entropy designed by God. God created our universe to be only temporary. Perhaps you should study what Bible says of this subject?
@@jounisuninen The bible doesn't tell anything about the law of entropy because the people who wrote the bible didn't know this law.
My cats fur changes color each summer 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Darwin should have studied the Bible
Wait you just said humans were intelligent.......?
Is common sence different than intelligence?
Must be, some humans have common sence others are intelligent, seems like they never came together... ❤🤪🤯