Why set-piece coaches are the most undervalued thing in football

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  • čas přidán 23. 11. 2023
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    Great strikers are a rare currency in modern football. While big Premier League teams like Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea are struggling for a number 9 this season - is the problem actually that desperate?
    Inspired by Brentford and Newcastle, JJ Bull is here to argue that your side doesn’t need an expensive striker, but should invest in a set-piece coach to help grab goals. And also weasels.
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Komentáře • 243

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReport Před 5 měsíci +1010

    JJ.singlehandedly carrying Tifo in the post pod era

    • @benmurphyful
      @benmurphyful Před 5 měsíci +79

      Killed the channel binning the Tuesday podcast

    • @BigmanDogs
      @BigmanDogs Před 5 měsíci +5

      ​@@benmurphyfulby what metric?

    • @ridakesserwan8712
      @ridakesserwan8712 Před 5 měsíci +42

      ​@@BigmanDogsall CZcams followers are loyal to this platform, switching to another one for exclusive content is basically a kill swicth for most fans
      even if I'm the most dedicated fan, I won't switch platforms or download 1 just for the sake of 1 creator, it's pointless

    • @JMThought
      @JMThought Před 5 měsíci +8

      Agree

    • @BigmanDogs
      @BigmanDogs Před 5 měsíci +12

      @@ridakesserwan8712 I guess the rationale is that the podcast content underperformed on youtube. So they switched to a platform where it doesn't hurt the algorithm of the channel. And those who do listen to the podcast are more likely to be super fans.

  • @L-Ron_Hubbard
    @L-Ron_Hubbard Před 5 měsíci +698

    I’m enjoying JJ’s descent into more and more chaotic videos

    • @StevenSmith-mv4ge
      @StevenSmith-mv4ge Před 5 měsíci +28

      He's the reason why I watch this channel. It's not a descent but an ascent. Haha

    • @underaverage0895
      @underaverage0895 Před 5 měsíci

      Weasels have taken control of his brain

    • @dannyhawkings8469
      @dannyhawkings8469 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I know it’s a serious channel and they do a good job explaining tactics but the crazier the better. My favourite series was when Joe Devine explained certain things but it was so outlandish it was great entertainment. Miss those vids

    • @DanielMorales-eu7ok
      @DanielMorales-eu7ok Před 5 měsíci +1

      “Harness the power of the forest”is just GOLD

  • @BestBoyPatrick
    @BestBoyPatrick Před 5 měsíci +223

    I’m glad JJ is breaking further and further. His mind is the main draw of Tifo IRL now

  • @scottlinton6577
    @scottlinton6577 Před 5 měsíci +202

    JJ is maddening by the day and I'm here for it

  • @christianlarsen8665
    @christianlarsen8665 Před 5 měsíci +65

    This is the perfect balance of insane and informative I need from Tifo.

  • @looniaz
    @looniaz Před 5 měsíci +95

    Well done JJ, the Weasel Master

  • @1Itsyasr
    @1Itsyasr Před 5 měsíci +79

    That’s so complex , huge appreciation to the set-piece coach

  • @containedhurricane
    @containedhurricane Před 5 měsíci +68

    A CF with a great hold-up play ability and high-pressing effort is more important than a clinical striker, because of his capability to bring his teammates into play and to make the defending job of his teammates easier

    • @bigrandomun9267
      @bigrandomun9267 Před 5 měsíci +4

      I 100% agree, that’s what my striker would do in my tactics.

    • @adnaibnsina
      @adnaibnsina Před 5 měsíci +3

      Yeah I agree with you, a great hold-up play is crucial during counter-attacks and a great pressing st will give more chance to other forwards.

    • @jamesduffy7549
      @jamesduffy7549 Před 5 měsíci +6

      And this is what makes Kane so good because he's both

    • @iwantgoals1566
      @iwantgoals1566 Před 5 měsíci

      This is why I think Toney would be perfect for Arsenal

    • @tomsmith3216
      @tomsmith3216 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Should be able to finish, too...which is where Arsenal screwed up with Jesus. Toney is a much better fit because, again, he does everything.

  • @ayayarodriguez
    @ayayarodriguez Před 5 měsíci +22

    "has 40 corners routine for his team in fm24" 😂😂😂

  • @jude_I
    @jude_I Před 5 měsíci +21

    I'm here for this J.J carry job.
    This bruddah is carrying Tifo on his back. 🔥

  • @tazp123
    @tazp123 Před 5 měsíci +30

    Im still trying to get my head around less than 1% of open play crosses lead to goal......thats mental.

    • @thrilla72
      @thrilla72 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Tbf, teams don't really cross the ball anymore

    • @philipmeisterl
      @philipmeisterl Před 5 měsíci +5

      I used to be a striker (not in the prem but my opinion is even more relevant) i was for the teams i played a good striker but getting a ball from a cross is basically impossible to do with any reliability the balls rarely comes accurate its high up there and thats always harder to convert than a pass on the ground even when you have a great header its just complicated to get it towards the goal
      And most of the time the goalkeeper has a pretty good idea where it is going

    • @anttij2973
      @anttij2973 Před 5 měsíci +1

      You needed Beckham :)

    • @BGeezy4sheezy
      @BGeezy4sheezy Před 5 měsíci +3

      It’s a little misleading because goals are such a rare event. Like even direct shots on goal have a low chance of scoring too. But it does show that the old strategy of just swinging it into the box blindly is a very inefficient way to play

    • @thrilla72
      @thrilla72 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@BGeezy4sheezy Crosses across the box can destabilise a defence as they have to cover several angles simultaneously

  • @CPB24421
    @CPB24421 Před 5 měsíci +5

    "Harness the power of the forest" hahaha love it. I know what's gonna happen.. I'll say that in a drunken football argument down the pub tonight and wonder why people look at me like I've had a stroke.

  • @aidangriffiths5075
    @aidangriffiths5075 Před 5 měsíci +4

    The slow descent into madness over the last few weeks.... it's beautiful

  • @Goonerpoo
    @Goonerpoo Před 5 měsíci +50

    Arsenal are one of the best set pieces teams, but they could be even better if they had a player who was good at delivery. We don't have KDB, TAA, bruno type profiles.

    • @dinohlabisa2349
      @dinohlabisa2349 Před 5 měsíci +12

      Odegaard?

    • @johnlynch8947
      @johnlynch8947 Před 5 měsíci

      What¿? But taa and kdb are elite quality

    • @Goonerpoo
      @Goonerpoo Před 5 měsíci +20

      @@dinohlabisa2349 He does a lot of other things well, but he's not elite in that regard.

    • @looniaz
      @looniaz Před 5 měsíci +7

      We have Vieira, but you know, he's not at PL level yet beside his delivery

    • @Goonerpoo
      @Goonerpoo Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@looniaz It's a shame he's not at the level to play consistently yet.

  • @froodlenoodle
    @froodlenoodle Před 5 měsíci +14

    the way it cuts from JJ bejng completely insane to the outro saying "tifo has some of the best sports journalists" is hilarious to me 😂(not saying jj isnt just saying he acts like an absolute loon)😘

  • @danshaw2948
    @danshaw2948 Před 5 měsíci +15

    This is weaselly the best video Tifo have done in a while, stoatally different class

  • @celtic69
    @celtic69 Před 5 měsíci +40

    It’s actually frightening how many goals John Terry would score in the prem these days

  • @Topav05
    @Topav05 Před 5 měsíci +14

    Saying Toney is a 14-goal-a-season striker based on his XG at Brentford is rather illogical, considering that better teams tend to produce higher XG for their strikers.

    • @jacobalexander4167
      @jacobalexander4167 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Richarlison, weghorst, isak and jesus says hi

    • @Topav05
      @Topav05 Před 5 měsíci

      @@jacobalexander4167 Jesus and Isak have better npxG/90 than Toney.
      Weghorst played behind Rashford half the time. Richarlison has played wide more than he has played centrally for Spurs.

  • @zaphbrannigan
    @zaphbrannigan Před 5 měsíci +3

    Literally miss the old energy of Alex Stewart, Seb, Jj and Joe during the pandemic. Possibly the most seen I felt as a football fan in

  • @buscadiamantes1232
    @buscadiamantes1232 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Here in Argentina we have a club called Estudiantes de La Plata - might know them, they beat United's butt in 1968 with Osvaldo Zubeldía
    They're a team that had a lot of coaches that emphasized in mastering set-piece plays. In fact, it's like a house recipe for them.
    Zubeldía, the coach that kind of invented lots of new stuff like pre-videoanalysis analysis, offside traps... seemed to be a very important person for the Mechanic Orange team coach Rinus Michels, as he cited him and Estudiantes de La Plata as the creators of total football
    They also had Carlos Bilardo as coach, Simeone... and this part is important cuz I got reminded about this by Trippier, who casually played in Atleti before being signed by Newcastle.

  • @quabenamonster3137
    @quabenamonster3137 Před 5 měsíci +15

    I'm addicted to tifo football and tifo irl ❤....

  • @akamun3061
    @akamun3061 Před 5 měsíci +4

    JJ again well done , keep them coming . I wonder if the other presenters feel the pressure too

  • @StevenSmith-mv4ge
    @StevenSmith-mv4ge Před 5 měsíci +8

    Keep on truckin!

  • @rushnafwadud
    @rushnafwadud Před 5 měsíci +1

    I doubt the last three moves in the Brentford goal showed as an example were “planned”. But I do get the point.

  • @mwenichibwa6147
    @mwenichibwa6147 Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent video kudos JJ

  • @antidumbcomments
    @antidumbcomments Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thank you very much. Im tired of this narrative that you have to hve a 25/30 goal a season striker to win trophies.

  • @chijiokemadubuko9004
    @chijiokemadubuko9004 Před 4 měsíci

    You got me, this was my soccermanager secret since the modern update. Finessing the setpieces.

  • @robinr2385
    @robinr2385 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Germany at world cup 2014 would reach the final without set pieces for example 1-0 vs france. Who trained the set pieces back then? Hansi Flick. Yes, Hansi Flick.

  • @akamiguelsanchez9985
    @akamiguelsanchez9985 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Every time I click on a TIFO IRL vid I’m praying it’s JJ

  • @wolfdesk
    @wolfdesk Před 5 měsíci +1

    I love JJ's video, informative and entertainingeninginging.

  • @peterkeleher
    @peterkeleher Před 5 měsíci

    thanks JJ, i will keep on truckin'!

  • @lewbags
    @lewbags Před 5 měsíci +1

    For the brentford corner i noticed they had two players off the pitch. In the Arsenal game yesterday the ref pulled them up for this, asking one player to stand on the line. Any ideas??

  • @AQGOAT24
    @AQGOAT24 Před 5 měsíci +3

    using Haaland as the thumbnail is funny because City bought Haaland for 60 million

  • @QWeb76
    @QWeb76 Před 5 měsíci

    £150m - £200m isn't required to buy a 25/30 goal striker. Haaland and Kane cost £140m combined. Take a look at the the 10 most expensive transfers of all time, and more than half are not out and out strikers (Grealish, Rice, Caicedo, Griezmann, Coutinho, Fernandez).

  • @thenamesbarreto
    @thenamesbarreto Před 5 měsíci

    Hadn't seen JJ dressing this nicely for a video; maybe ever. Still waiting for that solo album.

  • @ricardomartinez3340
    @ricardomartinez3340 Před 5 měsíci +2

    It is really weird that Mexico, a country that has historically struggled with set pieces, has produced the best set piece coach in the world in the form of Bernardo Cueva. Kind of ironic I guess.

  • @honestarsenalfan7038
    @honestarsenalfan7038 Před 5 měsíci +17

    All I got from this video is that this coming game against Brentford will be a massive pain

    • @Neyney_97
      @Neyney_97 Před 5 měsíci +3

      They always happen to talk about teams will be play next lmao...

  • @CoconutJewce
    @CoconutJewce Před 5 měsíci +1

    Bruno is such a creation monster, jfc. If only he had the proper offense to suit him (i.e. one that can routinely score goals). 😪

  • @ahameed4801
    @ahameed4801 Před 5 měsíci

    Nice energy 👌

  • @ankitcho
    @ankitcho Před 5 měsíci +1

    its wild how good brentford are on set pieces and as a team over all in their 2nd EPL season

    • @tomsmith3216
      @tomsmith3216 Před 5 měsíci +4

      It's because we've had a plan and have stuck to that plan for a good 5 seasons now. We know what we want from our players, and we coach it into them. Which means that it doesn't really matter what 'formation' or tactic we play, as we can adjust seamlessly.
      Only issue comes, as in yesterday, when we do not finish our big chances and then turn off at the last.
      Didn't help that we're missing 2 of our most important players in Jensen and Rico Henry, as well as our other FBs in Hickey and Roerslev...plus Collins, Josh DaSilva, Toney, Schade...which is really tough on a club with a smaller squad.
      You'd think with Henry, Hickey, and Jensen, we would have kept up our concentration to defend against Saka late on. Plus, Onyeka always drifted to leave Zinchenko in space, which led to Arsenal's 2 best chances before the goal. Janelt would have got tighter in midfield, if Rico was at FB and Jensen alongside in midfield.

  • @davidferguson1785
    @davidferguson1785 Před 4 měsíci

    Scotland have shown the value of a set-piece coach in hiring Austin McPhee. A decent sized proportion of our goals now come from corners and free kicks and it's because of his organisation and coaching. We're also better at defending them too.

  • @panic_2001
    @panic_2001 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Haaland was the missing piece of the puzzle at City that brought the long-awaited first CL victory.
    (Yes, he didn't score in the final, but he didn't cost 100 million either)

    • @dykepipin
      @dykepipin Před 5 měsíci +2

      google his salary😁

  • @marvinschneider9309
    @marvinschneider9309 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I am sharing this opinion, but when I see Bayern how they play now compared to before Kane Bayern. Kanes impact is insane

  • @zackanderson9453
    @zackanderson9453 Před 5 měsíci +2

    To be fair, Isak is a 70 million pound striker before he came to Newcastle

  • @irawangani1
    @irawangani1 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The 5th point is mind blowing.

  • @Zygmunt-Zen
    @Zygmunt-Zen Před 5 měsíci +2

    MadLad JJ is an evil genius! Don't sell out my man! 😂

  • @fplgregfrost
    @fplgregfrost Před 5 měsíci

    might have to bite the FPL bullet and acquire the Trippier in FPL.

  • @nickgolo4870
    @nickgolo4870 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Everyone made jokes when Kevin Schade was in that video from the prem on how to pronounce player names and yet here is JJ saying his name wrong

  • @Aaron-kx4xb
    @Aaron-kx4xb Před 5 měsíci

    Just a lovely watch, that.

  • @vvrath
    @vvrath Před 5 měsíci +3

    They should have a premier League for under 6 foot players

    • @smug3636
      @smug3636 Před 5 měsíci

      Not really, but yeah, I like the idea

  • @roolaing
    @roolaing Před 5 měsíci

    You mean Jason T actually does things that isn’t waiting about for a handshake? Mind blown. Enjoyed this. Austin McPhee not getting a mention is not something I was not prepared for.

  • @jakobsmith4046
    @jakobsmith4046 Před 5 měsíci

    I assumed all or most Premier clubs already had set piece coaches on staff

  • @danielmee3938
    @danielmee3938 Před 5 měsíci

    Big Sam was right. Set piece takers and setting up to take/defend them are waaaay better than individual players.

  • @israelwompiah8678
    @israelwompiah8678 Před 5 měsíci

    Question: Will Chelsea qualify for the new champions league even if they don’t play the champions league now and if they don’t qualify for the champions league next season given the new format?

  • @rory4605
    @rory4605 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I'm starting to think JJ has always been Tifo's agent of chaos and absurdity and Joe is actually of sound mind. A scary thought.

  • @saladdays19
    @saladdays19 Před 5 měsíci

    Brentford fans here. Nice to see we have weasel power🥰

  • @XPL80
    @XPL80 Před 5 měsíci

    Love your shirt

  • @iwantgoals1566
    @iwantgoals1566 Před 5 měsíci

    JJ the Bullard doesn’t just give you high quality analysis, he’s an entertainer these days too. He’s carrying Tifo 👏🏾

  • @Materialarn
    @Materialarn Před 5 měsíci

    Where Can you buy the shirt art?

  • @coeuznatas
    @coeuznatas Před 5 měsíci +1

    Trippiererer definitely is a great deliverererrerer

  • @fredericateather8249
    @fredericateather8249 Před 5 měsíci

    My plan in fm next season haha

  • @777jimothy
    @777jimothy Před 5 měsíci

    JJ is my favourite now Alex and Joe aren't around although I'd love to see an Euro Alex collab with JJ

  • @ciaranf8824
    @ciaranf8824 Před 5 měsíci

    Bring back the Pod!

  • @natangweiitula
    @natangweiitula Před 5 měsíci +2

    God i love these videos. 😂😂😂 JJ you are a beautiful man.

  • @2xAcTiOnXJaCkS0nx
    @2xAcTiOnXJaCkS0nx Před 5 měsíci +1

    the stoic steady stable stoat knows the secrets of the transfer market

  • @Sreeve94
    @Sreeve94 Před 5 měsíci

    I flipping love JJ so much. He could make me laugh by saying literally anything xD

  • @jamesduffy7549
    @jamesduffy7549 Před 5 měsíci

    I like to think JJ Bullard has no idea he works for a football channel and someone has just hidden a camera in his wall

  • @RobFera
    @RobFera Před 5 měsíci +2

    I love you JJ 🤣

  • @Prom591
    @Prom591 Před 5 měsíci

    These are becoming increasingly unhinged, and I am so here for it!

  • @FatMise
    @FatMise Před měsícem

    Watching this post-Athletic FC rebrand is somehow even more wild. Wild like a mighty forest weasel.

  • @user-je2yv8nr9n
    @user-je2yv8nr9n Před 5 měsíci

    What is a "set piece"?

  • @suleimankhader
    @suleimankhader Před 5 měsíci

    Tony he is NOT just a striker that just scores goals

  • @FaraazAhmad
    @FaraazAhmad Před 5 měsíci +1

    If JJ leaves I'm not wathing this channel anymore

  • @Blue-ow3ns
    @Blue-ow3ns Před 5 měsíci +1

    haaland cost us 50 mil so don’t have him in the thumbnail over “100 million pound striker”

    • @alteringmatter8782
      @alteringmatter8782 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Sure he only cost 50m. No off the book payments to his agent, father or third parties. Nothing to see here please carry on,

  • @cianmcgrath586
    @cianmcgrath586 Před 5 měsíci +1

    How much would Darren Bent cost these days

  • @enderofruina2973
    @enderofruina2973 Před 5 měsíci

    JJ Bull is my hero

  • @lorentzhjerpe212
    @lorentzhjerpe212 Před 3 měsíci

    Incredibly inciteful vid

  • @CreamC0rn
    @CreamC0rn Před 5 měsíci +3

    I'm gonna miss JJ when Tifo inevitably get rid of him like they did the podcast & the Tifo football show

  • @camdeocampo7368
    @camdeocampo7368 Před 5 měsíci

    I just want to remind everyone that city played with our a striker between Aguero retiring and Haaland getting signed. So maybe strikers are overrated. (I still love Haaland though don’t get me wrong 🤣)

  • @yoshimitchsu8855
    @yoshimitchsu8855 Před 5 měsíci

    Who needs the goat when you can have the stoat (set piece taker of all time)?

  • @oslonorway547
    @oslonorway547 Před 5 měsíci

    This video is a counter to that video they made before the World Cup, that Ivan Toney could become the best striker in the next EPL season 😂

  • @anis9262
    @anis9262 Před 5 měsíci

    Can someone explain the ferret at 0:36 ? Is it a Tifo inside joke?

    • @maccy4829
      @maccy4829 Před 5 měsíci

      Watch the whole video champ. It’s foreshadowing the “Forest” joke later in the vid

  • @tomreynolds1428
    @tomreynolds1428 Před 5 měsíci

    Toney guarantees those goals at Brentford, at a top 6 club you’d assume it would be comfortably over 20…

  • @PEANUTGALLERY81
    @PEANUTGALLERY81 Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome JJ. Thanks for making what would’ve been a controversial topic for the football ‘purists’ into such a maddeningly enjoyable piece.

  • @crashglassbar5879
    @crashglassbar5879 Před 5 měsíci

    This isn't revolutionary, I have my CBs in the box for all my corners and throw-ins in Football Manager.

  • @alexcassells9618
    @alexcassells9618 Před 5 měsíci

    Is everything ok at home JJ?

  • @barryk00da
    @barryk00da Před 5 měsíci

    Murtough: Hey Richard, I’ve got an idea!

  • @frieza2235
    @frieza2235 Před 5 měsíci

    I will be using JJ’s Official 5 Point Plan For Success, in Football Manager 24

  • @tdyerwestfield
    @tdyerwestfield Před 5 měsíci

    Why are Nottingham Forest bad at set pieces then? Surely no one knows the powers of forest better than them?

  • @johnlynch8947
    @johnlynch8947 Před 5 měsíci

    Was this channel called something else before tifo?

  • @RuinsOfGondolin
    @RuinsOfGondolin Před 5 měsíci

    JJ the mad football Wizard

  • @jc6087
    @jc6087 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Pine Martens are the cutest, but also the deadliest creature God ever made.❤❤❤❤

  • @MSeaNP
    @MSeaNP Před 5 měsíci

    clearly, he didn't get a raise at the company and is projecting his rage on these videos.

  • @rickdenbhutia8098
    @rickdenbhutia8098 Před 5 měsíci

    Somewhere Sam Allardyce, the OG weasel wizard, is smiling

  • @firas_13
    @firas_13 Před 5 měsíci +2

    JJ is the missing character from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

  • @narkeddiver7325
    @narkeddiver7325 Před 5 měsíci

    The power of The Weasel ;)

  • @00dude3
    @00dude3 Před 5 měsíci

    I want to see a team sign a basketball player to play in their team

  • @DiegoAGdb
    @DiegoAGdb Před 5 měsíci

    city don’t need him but he’s nice to have

  • @liamconverse8950
    @liamconverse8950 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This is why tactics and coaching actually matter way more in American football, because every play of the game is a set piece.

    • @ismingo4264
      @ismingo4264 Před 5 měsíci

      Thats a fair take But Its a bit of a dramatic take that it matters much more.
      Football does take a lot of tactics, but another very important part is training, simply getting better and more comfortable with the Ball, Which isnt really the same with American football since catching and running with a Ball in your hands is much easier than with feet.

    • @liamconverse8950
      @liamconverse8950 Před 5 měsíci

      @@ismingo4264 except for the part where there's 11 guys trying to hit you and rip the ball out your hands

    • @ismingo4264
      @ismingo4264 Před 5 měsíci

      @@liamconverse8950 What does that have to do with skill? I mean i guess it does take some skill to hold on to a Ball, But i Can gurantee it takes much more talent and skill to control a Ball with your feet enough to where 11 other dudes, and 4 perticularly Big dudes cant just kick it off you

  • @abiolaakinyemi
    @abiolaakinyemi Před 5 měsíci

    Bro watched the Premier League edition of how to pronounce players name properly with that Bruno Fernandes prononciation lol