Every prooven hacker should have be punished with hardware ban edit: So you hack once on gamepass and you cant log on your steam / epic launcher account anymore. Aaaah it feels nice to imagine
I like how Soter Dave explained it. They acknowledged things like Moncrux being short and said “We know the best course of action is to add to it, but thats too much work so we’re not doing that.”
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Why invest in anti-cheat when you can announce a code of conduct, and from now on every cheater is going to follow it and not cheat any more XD
It's hard for friends to be made and a community to be built in a game with no voip. Voip would make defense fun and create balance. Voip would make kicking cheaters easy. Voip would lead to archers shooting enemy archers. Think of the call outs you could make. Imagine the team building when a player ask for help and you save their ass. I would trade any new content that has been made or will be made for proper voip. Why the devs have not made this the number 1 priority baffles me. The amount of funny/cool situations and interactions that would be clipped and put on social media would blow this game up. Voip is the only thing keeping this game from being a masterpiece. Everyone should pressure the devs on voip over anything else.
What I don't like about those "Vertical slices" tdm/ffa maps, is the fact that they seem to reuse areas that are already widely explored by players. For example, "the desert" map is literally the first objective of Baudwyn, and the new winter FFA map will probably be the first Thayic stronghold point. What if devs sliced out some unexplored part of the existing maps, maybe the snowy forest we can enter near the Thayic Castle that usually nobody enters, or maybe some rarely visited parts of Askandir, some backstreets of Baudwyn, Rudhelm or Lionspire? The objective on bazaar on TO Baudwyn map already feels like TDM, why make it an actual TDM map when you can explore something that feels new (albeit, not technically new)
i have around 200hrs on europe servers and i have never seen a cheater on team objective but i usually see them in 1v1 servers just flying around i don't know if its a difference with them but this is just what I've seen
i ran into this issue when i used to play FIFA. The studio behind the game will pump out microtransactional bullshit for the shop, but when you want something done about the actual mechanics of the game itself, you get nothing in return from the devs. its so frustrating, but that's why competition is so important. maybe some day we get some more titles in the slasher genre to push the envelope, and keep studios like torn banner honest in how they manage their game and community.
My biggest issue with the game right now, and maybe you guys cover it later in the podcast As I’m just starting it. But where the hell is the Battlepass money going? I defended them when they added passes since if it means more funding then we get more content. Why the hell has content slowed to a crawl and we’re getting lower quality content since the passes have been added.
I just started out on Xbox Game Pass for PC and I feel like the game is really easy to learn, haven't had a problem with stacked teams by skill more unstacked teams where we have 3 less players, 4 are afk and another 3 are killing each other in spawn. Fighting multiple level 1000s at the same time is fun, never bothers me
A few things I wanted to say as a software engineer 6:29 This sounds like they just didn't care to tell you not that they don't know. Maybe whoever you spoke to doesn't personally know (if he's a developer he could find out) but just didn't care or felt the need to tell you Then Stridah mentions that he believes they keep copies of the old files as updates comes in. They do, it's called version control. Every change is in git so a dev could easily find out. You guys also mention how it seems like there isn't a dev who knows the details of the game inside out. I don't actually know what goes on in that studio and that could be the case, but maybe there is a developer who knows he just might not interact with the community (or care to). And if there isn't, that wouldn't surprise me. You would be shocked how many software engineers do not care about the projects they work on and how many are not actually passionate about coding, it's just a job to pay the bills. I work for a big tech company in the bay and when I first started I thought I would be surrounded by passionate developers who would talk code all day. I was shocked to find out just how different reality was. A lot and I mean a lot of devs just clock in, do their job and leave. Perhaps this is a result of burn out or stress or their hobby (coding) has now become a chore because it's a job and no longer fun like when they were studying to become a software engineer. Also game development is notorious for wearing down developers this is well known among SWEs
I’ve been playing for a while and I am on Xbox. Generally I feel like they don’t really have anything aiming at fixing anything for console. Like same side feinting or being able to change your controls it’s a little difficult jabbing and crouching is on the same bind and it’s 50/50 with what your about to do. I love playing the game and when it comes to dueling against someone on pc it can be super difficult.
There are solutions to this. You could buy the elite controller which gives you additional buttons so you can remap the buttons however you want. I did this on ps5 and it made things much easier. I know this solution is not the best because it requires you to spend money. Also I read on reddit that if you change the settings to do directional attacks you could do same side feinting. I haven't tried it yet though. The other workaound I found is just to do an attack, then block (to stop the attack) and attack again. It's clunky, and it drains more stamina compared to alt attack on pc, and also leaves you open to a kick but it's something 🤷♂
Its not that many damn standalone servers. Give known trusted people admin to ban. We got ppl no lifing this game. They would glady help. Temp fix for hackers
Soter Dave is absolutely off base on the team switching. Lvl absolutely is an indicator of skill. Sure, not every lvl 1k is a beast, but 95 times out of 100, the lvl 1k is better than anyone less than lvl 300. It shows game experience and with more experience, people become better players. He probably can only do well in stacked lobbies
From what Dave said if you can just change your speed and damage if they were smart they could just slightly adjust the damage or the speed so it wouldn’t be as noticeable to the majority of players
Looking at the GIFS on the blog a little more, I don't think the new snow FFA will be a reused Theyic, but might reuse many assets. I don't recognize the terrain and stuff.
Ill be honest I want some better vanguard armor for Argon they are like either fancy clothes or the same looking chainmale armor. Could we get something more like half plate with a cloak
@@Literally_a_Moth That's fair enough, and he might be right for some of them -- but I don't think it will cause a mass exodus. My only concern about this system is potential backfiring when trying to switch teams for benevolent reasons. I don't enjoy being on the massacre-ing side of massacres, so I pretty much always jump teams if I see the other side is getting stomped.
Dave lowkey spitting. Let him cook! In all seriousness though, seeing this games potential being squandered the way it is, truly sucks to see. It's good they at least attempted to make a (small) change with Ari but at this point, I'm not sure they're capable as a whole to save what little reputation they have left without MAJOR changes in how they go about improving this game. Really Great episode guys 👍
I've been playing for about 2 months now I've just hit level 53. I don't feel like I'm getting stomped consistently in the top 5. It was pretty rough starting out and I still can't get the archery down haha.
l'm happy the siege crossbow doesn't work l play every class and l play archer just as aggressively as every other class on objective body on point or destroying gates right there next to the knights and vanguards, when l found out about the obj damage of the siege crossbow l was kinda mad cause l pride myself on my archer play style and now any bum ass archer can sit at the back of the map and damage objective... they should have to work hard for those extra points
What i see here and i wish you would`ve brought up are 3 issues when it comes to match making. (coming from someone who only plays TD 500+ level) 1. Match making itself. If you have 20x 300+ levels , matchmaking system should try to divide them into 10vs10 if possible. I dont care if i end up against someone close to my level that might be better than me. What i do care if i am the only one on a defending team and 19 other guys are attacking...this is not fun and you blame matchmaking system here. 2. Switching teams Somehow you end up having somewhat decent team, and you hope it might be a fun game and 3-4 high level players switch the team...it instantly ruins the game and at this point you cannot blame matchmaking system, but you blame the players...This has to be handled in a way not to allow you to switch teams. If you queue up with a friend you should be together on a same team. So whether they restrict you completely not to be allowed to switch the team, or restrict you based on the average level that`d be even better, but just fixing the system to split the players based on the level is not enough and same issue will continue to happen. 3. Party of high skilled players. This is what Dave was stuck with the whole time when talking about matchmaking that friends should not be split. In all of my playing time i have seen just ONCE a good bunch of 3-4 high level players playing together and killing it on the defense. This is a very rare occasion (at least in EU) when this can occur , and if it does let them stomp. If you dont like it just leave to another server where you`ll find more balanced game. Lastly i`d say that high level DEFINITELY definitely makes a difference, unless you`re a twink . This game is all about muscle memory and there`s no way to become skillful duelist over night. You could be sleeping on the duelist server and gaining minimum XP while maxing your skills but i`d say those players do not really play much of the TD in the fist place, and again we`re not trying to find perfect solution but something where you wont be rolled over every time you play defense.
people switching team, because defence it's shit, -in Falmire you can break cage in the back and sides, opens only from the front(1st objective), can't defuse bombs(2nd objective) -in Leonspire you can do damage to gates with melee and catapult(2nd objective), can't repair(and don't have repair mechanic) weak objective banners(4th objective)(and no, it's unnormal, it's not minecraft speedrunner vs 10 hunters, there need more teamwork from enemy team then this) -in Galencourt you can place barrels trough engineer walls(3rd objective), because you have telepathy shit placing from 5meters(same in Monstrux(2nd obj) and Thayic stronghold(1st obj)), so many statue to defend for the Agatha and so less needs to break for the Mason(4th obj -in Monstrux you need defend this round thing(3rd obj) for 10min and defend explosives(4th obj) for 7min -in Coxwell so many gold to defend for the Agatha and so little needs to collect for the Mason(4nd obj) -in Baudwyn half of obj are capture point and those canons...why the duck they have nano-machines, it's took so long to break 1of3 and they shoot so fast, almost impossible for defend team to win the last obj(for those who thinks it's normal, the last obj needs to be the hardest) -in Objective where enemie needs burn some thing, they doesn't drop torch when get dmg, wtf, why you still go to trow it when you take dmg -in Bridgetown you can speedrun, take horse, take torch and go(2nd obj), you can't barricade like 97% of this place to defend those nobles, looks like you can't barricade door, window, stairs(5th obj)
I'm lucky that on the EU servers the hackers I've encountered have been very friendly and kind They helped me make a ring to hit us or they took off their cheats really king ppl but i suppose that there is s few who aren't the kindest, How could I send you the clips champ?
Ngl if they didn't cancel cross progression so that I could move from EGS to Steam, I'd be playing a lot more, and I know then my friends would see how much hours I sink into chiv on steam and be like fuck it I'll try it
@@StridahsAngelsI play 64 man obj (not in server browser) and ffa in server browser mostly. 99% of the time someone accuses someone of cheating from what ive seen in the EU, its mostly someone thats just a really good player against a newer player that doesn't understand the game mechanics and resorts to "they must be cheating" . Im a lvl 996 and have only seen a handful of cheaters the entire time. @StridahsAngels
Will torn banner make any meaningful progress on getting rid of hacker in 2024?
"Cries in European Duel Servers"
i wouldnt hope too much. but i will be in awe if they managed
No
Every prooven hacker should have be punished with hardware ban
edit:
So you hack once on gamepass and you cant log on your steam / epic launcher account anymore. Aaaah it feels nice to imagine
They already lied about bringing in an anti-cheat improvement. Why will this time be any different?
i just hope this social map is a duel map that has tavern on it would be pretty cool to sit in tavern with friends instead of dueling
I like how Soter Dave explained it. They acknowledged things like Moncrux being short and said “We know the best course of action is to add to it, but thats too much work so we’re not doing that.”
Why invest in anti-cheat when you can announce a code of conduct, and from now on every cheater is going to follow it and not cheat any more XD
😂😂😂 post wins
LOL man i saw some crazy ass stuff on Asian server from some Filipino streamers. holy shit, im glad its not like that in NA.
It's hard for friends to be made and a community to be built in a game with no voip. Voip would make defense fun and create balance. Voip would make kicking cheaters easy. Voip would lead to archers shooting enemy archers. Think of the call outs you could make. Imagine the team building when a player ask for help and you save their ass. I would trade any new content that has been made or will be made for proper voip. Why the devs have not made this the number 1 priority baffles me. The amount of funny/cool situations and interactions that would be clipped and put on social media would blow this game up. Voip is the only thing keeping this game from being a masterpiece. Everyone should pressure the devs on voip over anything else.
What I don't like about those "Vertical slices" tdm/ffa maps, is the fact that they seem to reuse areas that are already widely explored by players. For example, "the desert" map is literally the first objective of Baudwyn, and the new winter FFA map will probably be the first Thayic stronghold point. What if devs sliced out some unexplored part of the existing maps, maybe the snowy forest we can enter near the Thayic Castle that usually nobody enters, or maybe some rarely visited parts of Askandir, some backstreets of Baudwyn, Rudhelm or Lionspire?
The objective on bazaar on TO Baudwyn map already feels like TDM, why make it an actual TDM map when you can explore something that feels new (albeit, not technically new)
Good point!
i have around 200hrs on europe servers and i have never seen a cheater on team objective but i usually see them in 1v1 servers just flying around i don't know if its a difference with them but this is just what I've seen
I’ve heard it’s mostly server browser
i ran into this issue when i used to play FIFA. The studio behind the game will pump out microtransactional bullshit for the shop, but when you want something done about the actual mechanics of the game itself, you get nothing in return from the devs. its so frustrating, but that's why competition is so important. maybe some day we get some more titles in the slasher genre to push the envelope, and keep studios like torn banner honest in how they manage their game and community.
There are multiple in development but imo none will put do chiv or force them to improve
My biggest issue with the game right now, and maybe you guys cover it later in the podcast As I’m just starting it. But where the hell is the Battlepass money going? I defended them when they added passes since if it means more funding then we get more content. Why the hell has content slowed to a crawl and we’re getting lower quality content since the passes have been added.
I just started out on Xbox Game Pass for PC and I feel like the game is really easy to learn, haven't had a problem with stacked teams by skill more unstacked teams where we have 3 less players, 4 are afk and another 3 are killing each other in spawn.
Fighting multiple level 1000s at the same time is fun, never bothers me
A few things I wanted to say as a software engineer
6:29 This sounds like they just didn't care to tell you not that they don't know. Maybe whoever you spoke to doesn't personally know (if he's a developer he could find out) but just didn't care or felt the need to tell you
Then Stridah mentions that he believes they keep copies of the old files as updates comes in. They do, it's called version control. Every change is in git so a dev could easily find out.
You guys also mention how it seems like there isn't a dev who knows the details of the game inside out. I don't actually know what goes on in that studio and that could be the case, but maybe there is a developer who knows he just might not interact with the community (or care to). And if there isn't, that wouldn't surprise me. You would be shocked how many software engineers do not care about the projects they work on and how many are not actually passionate about coding, it's just a job to pay the bills.
I work for a big tech company in the bay and when I first started I thought I would be surrounded by passionate developers who would talk code all day. I was shocked to find out just how different reality was. A lot and I mean a lot of devs just clock in, do their job and leave. Perhaps this is a result of burn out or stress or their hobby (coding) has now become a chore because it's a job and no longer fun like when they were studying to become a software engineer. Also game development is notorious for wearing down developers this is well known among SWEs
What a great post appreciate it, would you have any interest in coming on a cast?
Dave's popping off on this one 😂 Great episode as always!
He Deff came in hot
I’ve been playing for a while and I am on Xbox. Generally I feel like they don’t really have anything aiming at fixing anything for console. Like same side feinting or being able to change your controls it’s a little difficult jabbing and crouching is on the same bind and it’s 50/50 with what your about to do. I love playing the game and when it comes to dueling against someone on pc it can be super difficult.
Yeah there are some great controller duelists
There are solutions to this. You could buy the elite controller which gives you additional buttons so you can remap the buttons however you want. I did this on ps5 and it made things much easier. I know this solution is not the best because it requires you to spend money.
Also I read on reddit that if you change the settings to do directional attacks you could do same side feinting. I haven't tried it yet though. The other workaound I found is just to do an attack, then block (to stop the attack) and attack again. It's clunky, and it drains more stamina compared to alt attack on pc, and also leaves you open to a kick but it's something 🤷♂
If they want to balance the teams better they should balanced based off the players average overall K/D not level.
Its not that many damn standalone servers. Give known trusted people admin to ban. We got ppl no lifing this game. They would glady help. Temp fix for hackers
I agree on this
I'm just glad they delivered on the cross progression they promised. Oh wait wrong dev team 😅
Soter Dave is absolutely off base on the team switching. Lvl absolutely is an indicator of skill. Sure, not every lvl 1k is a beast, but 95 times out of 100, the lvl 1k is better than anyone less than lvl 300. It shows game experience and with more experience, people become better players. He probably can only do well in stacked lobbies
Dave is an idiot. They aren't gonna break up the parties... they'll just balance the levels apart from that.
lol level thousands suck
From what Dave said if you can just change your speed and damage if they were smart they could just slightly adjust the damage or the speed so it wouldn’t be as noticeable to the majority of players
They prob suck so bad they need more then that lol
Looking at the GIFS on the blog a little more, I don't think the new snow FFA will be a reused Theyic, but might reuse many assets. I don't recognize the terrain and stuff.
You might be right!
"I think most of LK is dog shit." Welp... just cause of that, it looks like Dave is now my favorite Chiv 2 streamer LOL 😂
"Friends wanna play with friends."
Sure but if you enter a lobby with TEN "friends" and you DON'T expect to be split you're just stupid.
Agree
Ill be honest I want some better vanguard armor for Argon they are like either fancy clothes or the same looking chainmale armor.
Could we get something more like half plate with a cloak
Hahaha Soter Dave was amazing. The guy is so done with TB ahha
😂😂😂
Eu duels riddled with hackers
Yup a shame
good shit yall. 13:46 this is for u Dingus Khan :)
Soter Dave would definitely be the ring toss champion
Right? I think of Dave I immediately think of ring toss
I love chivalry2 and i hope they keep updating for the years to come
will be cool, if you can change color of monk clothes
@25:53 You CAN'T expect them not to. So, you implement a system that prevents it. That's the whole point.
He’s saying that those players will stop playing the game
@@Literally_a_Moth That's fair enough, and he might be right for some of them -- but I don't think it will cause a mass exodus. My only concern about this system is potential backfiring when trying to switch teams for benevolent reasons. I don't enjoy being on the massacre-ing side of massacres, so I pretty much always jump teams if I see the other side is getting stomped.
Dave lowkey spitting. Let him cook! In all seriousness though, seeing this games potential being squandered the way it is, truly sucks to see. It's good they at least attempted to make a (small) change with Ari but at this point, I'm not sure they're capable as a whole to save what little reputation they have left without MAJOR changes in how they go about improving this game. Really Great episode guys 👍
Ty much mate
I've been playing for about 2 months now I've just hit level 53. I don't feel like I'm getting stomped consistently in the top 5. It was pretty rough starting out and I still can't get the archery down haha.
Don’t play archer!
@@StridahsAngelswe need archers ...archer tears are so sweet
l'm happy the siege crossbow doesn't work l play every class and l play archer just as aggressively as every other class on objective body on point or destroying gates right there next to the knights and vanguards, when l found out about the obj damage of the siege crossbow l was kinda mad cause l pride myself on my archer play style and now any bum ass archer can sit at the back of the map and damage objective... they should have to work hard for those extra points
Can we change key binding for controller please
What is LK?
Old clan
That'd be a sick weapon skin
Coming in patch
What i see here and i wish you would`ve brought up are 3 issues when it comes to match making. (coming from someone who only plays TD 500+ level)
1. Match making itself.
If you have 20x 300+ levels , matchmaking system should try to divide them into 10vs10 if possible. I dont care if i end up against someone close to my level that might be better than me. What i do care if i am the only one on a defending team and 19 other guys are attacking...this is not fun and you blame matchmaking system here.
2. Switching teams
Somehow you end up having somewhat decent team, and you hope it might be a fun game and 3-4 high level players switch the team...it instantly ruins the game and at this point you cannot blame matchmaking system, but you blame the players...This has to be handled in a way not to allow you to switch teams. If you queue up with a friend you should be together on a same team. So whether they restrict you completely not to be allowed to switch the team, or restrict you based on the average level that`d be even better, but just fixing the system to split the players based on the level is not enough and same issue will continue to happen.
3. Party of high skilled players.
This is what Dave was stuck with the whole time when talking about matchmaking that friends should not be split. In all of my playing time i have seen just ONCE a good bunch of 3-4 high level players playing together and killing it on the defense. This is a very rare occasion (at least in EU) when this can occur , and if it does let them stomp. If you dont like it just leave to another server where you`ll find more balanced game.
Lastly i`d say that high level DEFINITELY definitely makes a difference, unless you`re a twink . This game is all about muscle memory and there`s no way to become skillful duelist over night.
You could be sleeping on the duelist server and gaining minimum XP while maxing your skills but i`d say those players do not really play much of the TD in the fist place, and again we`re not trying to find perfect solution but something where you wont be rolled over every time you play defense.
I agree with you, me and Dave were not of the same opinion on this.
people switching team, because defence it's shit,
-in Falmire you can break cage in the back and sides, opens only from the front(1st objective), can't defuse bombs(2nd objective)
-in Leonspire you can do damage to gates with melee and catapult(2nd objective), can't repair(and don't have repair mechanic) weak objective banners(4th objective)(and no, it's unnormal, it's not minecraft speedrunner vs 10 hunters, there need more teamwork from enemy team then this)
-in Galencourt you can place barrels trough engineer walls(3rd objective), because you have telepathy shit placing from 5meters(same in Monstrux(2nd obj) and Thayic stronghold(1st obj)), so many statue to defend for the Agatha and so less needs to break for the Mason(4th obj
-in Monstrux you need defend this round thing(3rd obj) for 10min and defend explosives(4th obj) for 7min
-in Coxwell so many gold to defend for the Agatha and so little needs to collect for the Mason(4nd obj)
-in Baudwyn half of obj are capture point and those canons...why the duck they have nano-machines, it's took so long to break 1of3 and they shoot so fast, almost impossible for defend team to win the last obj(for those who thinks it's normal, the last obj needs to be the hardest)
-in Objective where enemie needs burn some thing, they doesn't drop torch when get dmg, wtf, why you still go to trow it when you take dmg
-in Bridgetown you can speedrun, take horse, take torch and go(2nd obj), you can't barricade like 97% of this place to defend those nobles, looks like you can't barricade door, window, stairs(5th obj)
Good post!!
See grab a tissue
I'm lucky that on the EU servers the hackers I've encountered have been very friendly and kind They helped me make a ring to hit us or they took off their cheats really king ppl but i suppose that there is s few who aren't the kindest, How could I send you the clips champ?
Imo friendly or not should be banned
ah yes, Skadii. one day, i will get you for the last 50ish times you've killed me... i got a handful of kills on you but i will even the score!
Where is the goedendag😮
Coming soon
Ngl if they didn't cancel cross progression so that I could move from EGS to Steam, I'd be playing a lot more, and I know then my friends would see how much hours I sink into chiv on steam and be like fuck it I'll try it
Yeah that was bad they cancel it
Thanks to Dave, stridah, and ziggurat I could drop 40+ kills a game at level 60 with barely any experience playing fighting games🫶
💪
Skadii's pain when he found out around 37:00😂😂😂
😂🤣🤣
Holy shit I've seen soter Dave in a duel server before I kept trying to duel him but he seemed to be training someone soo he refused consistently
Why did Jen leave?
Unknown
Am I the only person who switches to the defending team? 😂😂
Yes 😂
@@StridahsAngels 🤣🤣
I swap to to the underdogs always
i hope that monk skin not for archer💀💀💀
It's for vanguard
12:56 ever heard of sea of thieves lmao
Love that game
@@StridahsAngels it got no anti cheat for 5 years and the ranked mode is filled with cheaters possibly worse situation than eu duels rn
The only thing i want is mouse and keyboard feature for xbox or atleast a button revamp feature
I've been playing for 2.5 years in the EU and I can count on 1 hand how many cheaters I've seen. It's not as bad as you giys are making it out to be
Do you play server browser?
@@StridahsAngelsI play 64 man obj (not in server browser) and ffa in server browser mostly. 99% of the time someone accuses someone of cheating from what ive seen in the EU, its mostly someone thats just a really good player against a newer player that doesn't understand the game mechanics and resorts to "they must be cheating" . Im a lvl 996 and have only seen a handful of cheaters the entire time. @StridahsAngels
@@B1gSt3AKplay 1v1 servers in EU and you'll see the hackers
@@B1gSt3AK lmao play eu duels then try saying this again
@@StridahsAngelsHe's lying. It is horrendous.
Soter Dave gives off Jeffery Dahmer vibes
Lmao
Thank god Jen is gone, she was the worst.
We❤️ Jenn here
dodge this u bastard
Who you calling a bastard? 😂