@@hopeflakez it's okay!!. Have you watched some of Chloe Young's works ?. I wonder where you'd put her. You can find her choreos on yt. She's a member of BV as well.
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8kl Emma Song is from the newly debuted group under BPM BADVILLAIN (they make good music so I recommend you check them out!) She was a professional dancer before becoming an idol.
Dino (Seventeen) is so underrated. He is such a skilled dancer. Always thought only Shotaro (Riize) was the main but Wonbin was a surprised. Will have to watch his performance too 😊.
Shotaro’s dancing style is definitely more fitted with Riize’s recent comebacks that is why Shotaro seems to be up ahead. Siren tho was demolished by Wonbin and covers.
I'm sorry but it's absolutely hilarious how Wonbin having a similar style to Shotaro (they practice together) and SM's smart rollout of the group with Josh's amazing choreo made some of you believe Wonbin is anywhere near on that level.. he is not bad, but still worse than Taeyong. If you had an eye for whether someone is implementing proper techniques it would be obvious. B.I was never top 2 in ikon but suddenly one of the greats in the industry because he danced some dancehall adjacent choreo 💀 With yeonjun I can agree to disagree but those two are just not in the run lol
@@calladaydream Emma.. I can kind of see her in the top ten if we ignore how messy her arms are as soon as she is out of her element (watch her random dance cover on m2 channel). It's fascinating how kpop fans always fall for the mnet narratives, they quite overhyped her. The top picks from my 3rd/4th gen boy group videos, whoever you consider still in the industry, I guess Jhope, Jimin, Dino, Ten, Jisung, Shotaro, Harry June Momo's pro level jazz funk technique is certainly on a similar level if we consider skillsets that are relevant for idols. From the nugu groups I see impressive versatility and consistency from Woo ah Nana and NTX Jaemin but probably difficult to convince people since they are lowkey
Emma is a Tier 1 dancer and JHope is Tier 2! Afaik she's the only Tier 1 dancer in Kpop. If Bailey Sok and JJ from Trainee A also debut they will join her.
according to facts in fictions it seems ina is better than emma. emma's alignments seem off and she looks clunky in some performances. people are overestimate her
@@emilyhume2990 emma song is way better no matter what, she is literally the best dancer in k pop. and facts in fictions ranking idols in dancing in terms of commercial style, not open style
Oh I didn't expect a female dancer to be on the top! After seeing J-Hope on the 2nd I was really confused about who'll be the 1st! Don't know who Emma is but her moves look crazy!! Wow
Yeah and stop acting like Lisa invited dance or something and acting like Lisa is the best dancer in the universe Bruh but I will says Lisa is the one of the best female dancer in 3rd generation not the best female dancer in all every generation because that Emma song
So then, why is J-Hope there if it's not for 3 gen?? I'm not saying she is the best, but she is a good dancer just like other idols, for example, Momo from Twice. I don't want to be rude. (You are kinda being rude about it)
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8kl the list is not about just 3rd gen though. It's all generations + male and female included. Lisa is one of the best "female dancers" and arguably the best in 3rd gen. But she is not one of the best overall (not in Top 10). If the list covered more then 10 people,she might have been here.....
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8klopeneded kid I'm not terribly rude stop being ridiculous this list is not only 3rd generation bruh and it is when comes to 3rd generation 4th generation 5th generation both in the list of both male and female dancers both jhope and Lisa is not even close in the really top tiers dancers in the kpop industry bro top tier in both female and male dancer tier in kpop industry is tier 1 my girl 🎉😅
Kind of unrelated but I was arguing with someone from the BABYMONSTER unofficial discord server.. and they said Ruka is a better dancer than Emma Song and Bailey Sok 🤦♀️ Im a BM stan (hence why Im in the server..) but the DELUSION was too much 🥲 the worst part is that it was a GROWN MAN who was that delusional-
Emma isn't 1st .. she lacks arm preciseness (you can watch her cover of ateez ,itzy you'll notice how her moves lacks precisness) yes she's an amazing open style dancer, great flexibility,... she is one of the best could easily be in top 10 but definitely not no.1
@@hopeflakezi guess u miss hoshi He is phenomenal dancer And taemin deserve to be here(and kai too but taemin for sure) Not mentioning taemin hoshi and kai is such h cr*m* Contemporary is a dance style too which do exist and appreciated in kpop Not on,y hiphop dancers excel others can too
@@SanatManhare-rv6nu Hanni, Haerin, Danielle, Hyein>>Ruka. Just because someone's a Main Dancer in a group doesn't mean they're superior than other groups
Finally a unbiased ranking,i saw a short make by a obsessed,dumb and toxic lisa and rose solo stan in which they ranked lisa higher than emma i was dying of laughter after seeing it😂😂😂
Wonbin's lower body area is so good.. also his footwork too! 😭 is his upper body his weakness? sometimes i see inconsistencies? also i thought he was around harry june since like he is also good with space imo.
I think Wonbin's issue is he has some weird power projection habits, that makes him look really weird at some executions. (by weird I mean weird for a T2 dancer level) Was really contemplating between him & Dino for the 3rd spot but i think Wonbin's usage of his shoulders impressed me so much, hes the only one who uses it that way other than jhope.
@@hopeflakez i get what u mean wonbin was tense in impossible because of his "weird" power projection at the dance break, but yeah overall he is proficient than what i have expected, he even outdances shotaro especially how he controls his arm and lower body.
@@hopeflakez also what tier would be kelly, ina, and chloe? kelly has some great torso control and chest pumps which chloe young lacks (torso control). i love kelly's foundations too.
Do you have any info on dreamnote’s dance and vocal tiers? I was wondering what they would be since they’re pretty nugu and don’t have many live stages(for vocal).
This is for open style dance right? I'm not a professional dancer but I've been watching Ur videos for a while and I always make a clear distinction between open style dance and idol dancing, so If this is true, can u also make a vid for idol dancing as well, if u haven't already?
All these idols dance to open style & Hip hop focused choreos. We can't really rank them based on idol dancing unless its female idols who focus on such choreos like twice or stayc
@@anshikaverma7113 bro i aint toxic u are she just debuted here and jhope has been a dancer for over 11 years she cant just beat him like that plus he puts way more effort than her and hes moves are sharper. Just admit it i aint toxic you are im just saying jhope deserves number 1 she deserves number 2 plus next time use logic before hating on armies and calling them toxic
gurl, what's ur opinion on emma's lines and allignments, it doesn't fit the standards of commercial dancing, due to the limitations of her style, but saying BoA and Taemin are better than her, are clearly an understatement.
@@girlnamjooning no she tier 1 but hobi is not really far from her because hobi is also close to tier 1 because he high tier 2 but he kinda needs more really really really high potential to be in tier 1 position
@@spongsrick3749 KDDD also was biased towards one genre( hip hop) her rankings were not accurate at all F&F is more reliable for meKDDD also was biased towards one genre( hip hop) her rankings were not accurate at all.
What I like about Wonbin tho is his usage of angles. His angles impressed me more than even Jhope. But when Riize debuted I literally was like, "First T2 sm dancer?" and it seems like I was correct then.
Hopeflakes im not being rude here but can you look into the group NTX ,they have a solid dance line .Its a boy group you can see their dance civers in their channel. NTX
Those who don't know who Emma is:
czcams.com/video/4f0_1DLL-3g/video.htmlsi=q1yNdsSLnjFzzgsW
@@dean6p9 thank you !! The way they're underestimating her is so annoying 😭
@@hopeflakez can you pin this link?. Cuz I personally think this shows her skills quite well and would love to bless others with this haha! ✨
@@dean6p9 I actually pinned it but as soon as I did, the link got converted into text lol so I unpinned it, I think that was a bug or sth...
@@hopeflakez it's okay!!.
Have you watched some of Chloe Young's works ?. I wonder where you'd put her. You can find her choreos on yt. She's a member of BV as well.
As a army I CANT HANDLE MY HAPPINESS SEEING EMMA AND JHOPE BEING RANKED FIRST AND SECOND 😭😭
Emma really came out of nowhere and claimed the throne !! Slayy Queen 🙌
Who is Emma?? 😅
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8kl Emma Song is from the newly debuted group under BPM BADVILLAIN (they make good music so I recommend you check them out!) She was a professional dancer before becoming an idol.
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8kl a member of newly debuted 5th gen group BadVillan
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8kl she is ex dancer and now is a member of badvillan
Hobi's competition damn 👀
Exactly
Dino (Seventeen) is so underrated. He is such a skilled dancer. Always thought only Shotaro (Riize) was the main but Wonbin was a surprised. Will have to watch his performance too 😊.
Shotaro’s dancing style is definitely more fitted with Riize’s recent comebacks that is why Shotaro seems to be up ahead. Siren tho was demolished by Wonbin and covers.
That's a surprise with Wonbin and Emma
Have to say SM and Hybe companies have insanely talented dancers!
Meanwhile jyp
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@@abuhujairalaskar9779 Sure Jyp too! But those 2 companies have more professional dancers I'd say.
@@sohini2006 but everyone knows jyp for dance
@@abuhujairalaskar9779but their idols are nowhere in top 10🤡
@@Estiee97 Cuz this ranking is biased af. Lee Know is better than yeonjun. out of lee know then idk any other idol honestly.
Wonbin is that high??? I wasn’t expecting that tbh
same
Woww..I am really shocked that she is such a good dancer.
Thats actually really amazing.
Damnn...the best dancer of kpop is now a female..
Really proud ❤
i mean its actually not her but its still a female
@@lucas-z3git's her only
@@fluffyberrrys no, it depends. in open style, its emma. in idol dancing, its hyoyeon
Emma just debuted and is already 1st place. I hope She keeps improving in the future!
I'm sorry but it's absolutely hilarious how Wonbin having a similar style to Shotaro (they practice together) and SM's smart rollout of the group with Josh's amazing choreo made some of you believe Wonbin is anywhere near on that level.. he is not bad, but still worse than Taeyong. If you had an eye for whether someone is implementing proper techniques it would be obvious.
B.I was never top 2 in ikon but suddenly one of the greats in the industry because he danced some dancehall adjacent choreo 💀
With yeonjun I can agree to disagree but those two are just not in the run lol
can i ask who u would say is the top 10? im not sure if you've ranked out of the whole industry yet
@@calladaydream ex idols included or not? Currently or when they were at their peak?
@@facts_in_fiction lets js say idols in the industry currently
@@calladaydream Emma.. I can kind of see her in the top ten if we ignore how messy her arms are as soon as she is out of her element (watch her random dance cover on m2 channel). It's fascinating how kpop fans always fall for the mnet narratives, they quite overhyped her.
The top picks from my 3rd/4th gen boy group videos, whoever you consider still in the industry, I guess Jhope, Jimin, Dino, Ten, Jisung, Shotaro, Harry June
Momo's pro level jazz funk technique is certainly on a similar level if we consider skillsets that are relevant for idols.
From the nugu groups I see impressive versatility and consistency from Woo ah Nana and NTX Jaemin but probably difficult to convince people since they are lowkey
Wonbin is worst than taeyong😮
NOT MY BIAS OF BADVILLIAN BEING ON HERE AFTER DEBUTING 5 DAYS EARLIER
She was a backup dancer, choreographer, member of 1MILLION dance studios, so she had a lot of experience, but i luv her so much
@@sonmyly-qq4re Wow… thats cool
@@sonmyly-qq4reomg
Even though Hobi is my favorite and he got a competition I am so proud of her being the only female here and that too 1st?? Amazing 💙
Damn....
EMMA On 1st OMG
I always knew She Was insanly Good But to Think She ranked Evn Higher than JHOPE 🤯🤯
EMMA ROCKED
KPOP SHOCKED
Emma is a Tier 1 dancer and JHope is Tier 2! Afaik she's the only Tier 1 dancer in Kpop. If Bailey Sok and JJ from Trainee A also debut they will join her.
Bad villain just debuted but holy shit they’re so talented. Easily one of the most talented group form the gen
If Bailey Sok truly debut she would be number one for sure.
nahhhh emma song is better
Emma song is much better than her
according to facts in fictions it seems ina is better than emma. emma's alignments seem off and she looks clunky in some performances. people are overestimate her
@@emilyhume2990 naahhh emma song is better
@@emilyhume2990 emma song is way better no matter what, she is literally the best dancer in k pop. and facts in fictions ranking idols in dancing in terms of commercial style, not open style
Not adding taemin is a crime..
Emma came out in 1st to show the girlies who she is🔥
Shotaro and wonbin from same group
Oh I didn't expect a female dancer to be on the top! After seeing J-Hope on the 2nd I was really confused about who'll be the 1st! Don't know who Emma is but her moves look crazy!! Wow
She just debuted a couple of days ago
Emma just debuted and already at top omggg😭
“WhERe iS lISa?!” BRO SHUT UP-
Yeah and stop acting like Lisa invited dance or something and acting like Lisa is the best dancer in the universe Bruh but I will says Lisa is the one of the best female dancer in 3rd generation not the best female dancer in all every generation because that Emma song
Fr lmao 😭
So then, why is J-Hope there if it's not for 3 gen?? I'm not saying she is the best, but she is a good dancer just like other idols, for example, Momo from Twice. I don't want to be rude. (You are kinda being rude about it)
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8kl the list is not about just 3rd gen though. It's all generations + male and female included. Lisa is one of the best "female dancers" and arguably the best in 3rd gen. But she is not one of the best overall (not in Top 10). If the list covered more then 10 people,she might have been here.....
@@AlejandraJuarez-zd8klopeneded kid I'm not terribly rude stop being ridiculous this list is not only 3rd generation bruh and it is when comes to 3rd generation 4th generation 5th generation both in the list of both male and female dancers both jhope and Lisa is not even close in the really top tiers dancers in the kpop industry bro top tier in both female and male dancer tier in kpop industry is tier 1 my girl 🎉😅
Finally a competitor of hobi 👀
Oh our hobi has got a competitor I see 👀
Kind of unrelated but I was arguing with someone from the BABYMONSTER unofficial discord server.. and they said Ruka is a better dancer than Emma Song and Bailey Sok 🤦♀️ Im a BM stan (hence why Im in the server..) but the DELUSION was too much 🥲 the worst part is that it was a GROWN MAN who was that delusional-
Bailey sok. ? She debuted ?
Harry June mentioned!!! Didn't expect Wonbin to rank that high tho
Finally someone mentioned Dino 🦖
a lot of people said that shotaro is better dancer, I hope there is explanation (as Briize myself this is interesting
I'll provide one with explanations soon
Its shocking 😲 imean no one was better than our jhope as he is mid t 2 but finally someone better than him
Totally agree with Emma! Would also personally add Minzy.
Not my bias
Bi,niki,emma,wonbin,rocky and harry,yeonjun all been in top 10😭😭
Emma’s so good, and she only started dancing at 16! I was wondering, how good are Bada Lee, Kirsten and Bailey Sok ?
Emma isn't 1st .. she lacks arm preciseness (you can watch her cover of ateez ,itzy you'll notice how her moves lacks precisness) yes she's an amazing open style dancer, great flexibility,... she is one of the best could easily be in top 10 but definitely not no.1
@@sfj_7126THANK YOU
As a hobi bias, I will definitely check out emma.
I thought this was all BG, well Emma should be the top 1. So niceee
EMMA!!!! WHAT A QUEEN SHE IS ✨💎 so for male it’s J-hope and female Emma right? And overall Emma
Oh my god Emma is amazing :)
I wonder who is better: jj or Emma?
JJ imo
@@hopeflakezcan you do ranking badvillian in diff categories
Jj is mainly a battle dancer
emma no.1 is SO deserved
Top 10 best ❌️.
Top 10 popular ✔️.
Agreed in emma and dino tho
damn emma is good
Leeknow not being in the list is a crime.
I want to be like that one day
You can !!!
@@hopeflakezi guess u miss hoshi
He is phenomenal dancer
And taemin deserve to be here(and kai too but taemin for sure)
Not mentioning taemin hoshi and kai is such h cr*m*
Contemporary is a dance style too which do exist and appreciated in kpop
Not on,y hiphop dancers excel others can too
Yeonjun deserves more!
3rd gen gg stan be fighting over who’s the best female dancer between Momo and Lisa when it’s literally Chungha. 🌟
It's momo & Lisa.
Chungha isn't better than momo and lisa
Thoughts on adding Chloe Young on this list?
Jb, Jackson, Yugyeom....etc
Hanbin and Lee Know are prob also good cause they were professionals before debuting
Who is better between Emma (bad villain) & Wang Yi Bo (Chinese actor & dancer)?
Emma.
Wang Yibo is a street style dancer, in open style he would be about Hyunsuk (Treasure) level imo
Seventeen performance unit❤
Jhope😻
Can you do next Ranking Baby monster Kiss of life and New jeans in dance (+Explanations) including All members
@@SanatManhare-rv6nu Hanni, Haerin, Danielle, Hyein>>Ruka. Just because someone's a Main Dancer in a group doesn't mean they're superior than other groups
@@SanatManhare-rv6nuwrong
@@LJPPKGGFS-Cwrong too
@@FlyKitty-ur9vo im so sad im cry 😭😭😢😢😔😔😓😓
what about taemin? definitely, the best dancer.
Finally a unbiased ranking,i saw a short make by a obsessed,dumb and toxic lisa and rose solo stan in which they ranked lisa higher than emma i was dying of laughter after seeing it😂😂😂
Wonbin's lower body area is so good.. also his footwork too! 😭
is his upper body his weakness? sometimes i see inconsistencies? also i thought he was around harry june since like he is also good with space imo.
also what tier would sung hanbin be? he is really proficient when it comes to wacking.
I think Wonbin's issue is he has some weird power projection habits, that makes him look really weird at some executions. (by weird I mean weird for a T2 dancer level) Was really contemplating between him & Dino for the 3rd spot but i think Wonbin's usage of his shoulders impressed me so much, hes the only one who uses it that way other than jhope.
@@Haru-ml6gi zb1 right? I'll look into him, from what I've seen he's gotta be atleast a t4
@@hopeflakez i get what u mean wonbin was tense in impossible because of his "weird" power projection at the dance break, but yeah overall he is proficient than what i have expected, he even outdances shotaro especially how he controls his arm and lower body.
@@hopeflakez also what tier would be kelly, ina, and chloe?
kelly has some great torso control and chest pumps which chloe young lacks (torso control). i love kelly's foundations too.
can you make a video best female dancers in k pop (top 10)
Idk about Wonbin over Taro but otherwise agreed! Dino is so underrated as a dancer.
Do you have any info on dreamnote’s dance and vocal tiers? I was wondering what they would be since they’re pretty nugu and don’t have many live stages(for vocal).
This is for open style dance right? I'm not a professional dancer but I've been watching Ur videos for a while and I always make a clear distinction between open style dance and idol dancing, so If this is true, can u also make a vid for idol dancing as well, if u haven't already?
All these idols dance to open style & Hip hop focused choreos. We can't really rank them based on idol dancing unless its female idols who focus on such choreos like twice or stayc
@@hopeflakez oh ok
@@hopeflakez who would you considr the best open style dancer?
@@rinasliceemma
@@erturulk yes i agree stan badvillian!
J-hopeeeee💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Emma 🏆 and Ni-ki ✨
Emma the only Woman ❤
Can you pls Rank Bada Lee, Lee Jung Lee, Bailey Sok, Lia Kim and Emma.
TAEMIN IS THE BEST
How do you learn all these tiers and stuff from? I also want to know it
She just invented
@@emilyhume2990*kddd did
hello hopeflakez can i ask you a question what dance tier is INA from badvillian i think she shouldve been in this video
mid-high tier 5
Perfect list 👌
bro no jhope is n°1 emma is gd but jhope is better
Another toxic army here
Can't u just handle the truth
@@anshikaverma7113 bro i aint toxic u are she just debuted here and jhope has been a dancer for over 11 years she cant just beat him like that plus he puts way more effort than her and hes moves are sharper. Just admit it i aint toxic you are im just saying jhope deserves number 1 she deserves number 2 plus next time use logic before hating on armies and calling them toxic
andd you cant compare 5th gen to 3rd
@@Little-Angel1204 its about all generations
emma song bailey sok bada lee or lee jung
A revelation🗣️
Kai-jimin-taemin**💀
😂
woah? wonbin above shotaro? woAH?
Jung hoseok🛐
gurl, what's ur opinion on emma's lines and allignments, it doesn't fit the standards of commercial dancing, due to the limitations of her style, but saying BoA and Taemin are better than her, are clearly an understatement.
Let me guess Blinks are crying😢
emma is so good im gagged
Hopeflakes, what can you say about Seungyeon dancing and who is the best dancer in the 3rd generation in your opinion
Jhoooppppeee
Wich clip is used for shotaro??
Woah I didn't expect this
What tier is emma?
Please reply Hopeflakes
She is tier 1
Tier1
She must be tier 1 or high tier 2. Cause Hobi is high tier 2.
@@girlnamjooning she is tier 1
@@girlnamjooning no she tier 1 but hobi is not really far from her because hobi is also close to tier 1 because he high tier 2 but he kinda needs more really really really high potential to be in tier 1 position
Wait for FEMALE ver.😃
I want hopie to do only "active version" so she doesn't include Bian & Gooseul since theyre not idols anymore.
Bian would be below Niki@@Zendaya-es9nv
This is overall ranking Emma is the only female in top 10 :)
Hobi💜
emma song is literally a tier 1 dancer
Would Yeonjung (Young Posse) be in top 20-30???😰
Ye
Is wonbin really better than shotaro? damn
Wait until my boy JJ debuts
Have you seen any of Chloe’s (BadVillain) pre-debut work?
Not yet, do you have any worthy links of her material? ♡
@@hopeflakez czcams.com/play/PLTXQn3uSer5sYcLM-1ixl0VP8vqkwYONQ.html&feature=shared
Tysm I'll check her out ❤
@@hopeflakez czcams.com/play/PLTXQn3uSer5sYcLM-1ixl0VP8vqkwYONQ.html&si=kwTN1dpzP_KndXpT
Hello creator. What do you think JJ would rank if he debuted?
1st place easily imo, I can't speak for the creator but he's an amazing dancer and has a lot of potential!
Who's JJ?
@@Hyunjins_americao ex Trainee A (predebut Big hit bg) and apparently he is now training at SM.
He still gonna be number 1 even if Bailey Sok debuted for me. The boy has so much potential and is already great.
@icantdothis6499 probably bailey over jj in open style
how is wonbin above shotaro
their ranking always been an ass (most of dance analysis community) bc imagine hanbin from zb1 isn't in the list n put 1 sneak into the ranking 😂
EMMA WE LOVE YOU
Taemin, momo, lisa, chung ha, hyolyn...
are you gonna do your top 12 on iland 2 by anytime soon?
Is it top 6 or top 7, cuz there are only 12
Is this male edition? Just asking cuz i know female dancers who are also very good
Nope overall
No way shotaro and wonbin are on here when there’s far better dancers than them in the industry
@@w0nyst0e no.
Wonbin 3rd? Girl are you sure? I need explanation...
Hopeflakes is a clown channel lol wonbin is not even close to shotaro.
Watch facts in fiction channel
It's more reliable
@@lizmg6858 i don't trust that channel either.... I hope kddd comes back
@@spongsrick3749 KDDD also was biased towards one genre( hip hop) her rankings were not accurate at all
F&F is more reliable for meKDDD also was biased towards one genre( hip hop) her rankings were not accurate at all.
Is this male edition? Just asking bcs i know female dancers who are also pretty good
Emma is literally on top ??
emma is a female and shes 1st. anyways i imagine that hyo,chunga,maybe lisa and momo would be around top 15 to 20.
BTS 💜💜💜💜💜🗿🗿🗿
Wonbin is that High? Before I was contemplating if he's better than Shotaro or not and decided by Shotaro as SM's best but damn?
What I like about Wonbin tho is his usage of angles. His angles impressed me more than even Jhope.
But when Riize debuted I literally was like, "First T2 sm dancer?" and it seems like I was correct then.
@@Kpopsta_n Right his arm lines impressed me more than jhope!!! I think that's what you're mentioning too
@@hopeflakez Yup. Maybe that’s it! Thank you for clarifying!
hey! where would you put sunghoon if this list was more expanded. ex. top 20/top. 50?
@@yourlocaloncee top 20 after XO
@@hopeflakez oh ok! thanks for responding😊💗
Hopeflakes im not being rude here but can you look into the group NTX ,they have a solid dance line .Its a boy group you can see their dance civers in their channel. NTX