This Pro Kindred Teaches Me How to Get 17 Marks ft.
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- I sit down with Pro Challenger Player, Whynot, breaking down one of his recent Kindred SoloQ games.
We learn about Kindreds Champion identity, a new item build, Kindred Mark theory, how to think about early pathing, tracking the enemy jungler and how to carry your soloq games as Kindred.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Who is Whynot?
0:46 - Kindred Champion Identity
3:01 - What are common Kindred misconceptions?
6:16 - Kindred Items and Runes
9:55 - Which jungle pet?
11:55 - Kindred in team comps
14:38 - Early game pathing
18:04 - Why not Level 3 Gank bot
19:50 - Why full clear as Kindred?
21:18 - Back to false narratives on Kindred
23:08 - The value of ganks
24:50 - How do Kindred Marks work
31:25 - Holding Smite for big Krug
32:14 - Jungle Tracking Lee Sin
34:40 - How to Ping your team
37:59 - Skipping camps to get Marks
39:58 - Important Waiting for Crab to Mark
42:16 - Thinking about the next play
43:31 - Back to talking Mark theory
45:50 - Waiting for Riven to get back on map
47:35 - The Power of Trinity Force Kindred
52:10 - Pathing out of base thinking
53:35 - Secret Tip for getting more Marks
56:22 - Importance of Basing for items instead of camps
59:50 - Basing for next Dragon
1:01:20 - How to use Kindred R
1:02:52 - Help team or let them die?
1:03:55 - MARKS. MARKS. MARKS
1:07:50 - How to Use Baron
1:08:43 - Don't TRY this at Home
1:10:50 -Movement Q angles and dodging abilities
1:12:30 - Learning Kindred
1:17:02 - Learning Auto Attack Spacing
1:23:43 - Using Montages to Improve
1:29:45 - Where to find Whynot and Coaching
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share this info!! Hope you guys enjoy the video ^
solid video, very informative
How did you get the attack range indicator to show every time you attack
@@Richard-gq8sc Hotkeys -> player movement -> player attack move
If you have it set to 'A' then you press 'A' to get the circle then left click to attack.
Player Attack Move Click is the bind to attack without seeing the circle. Press 'A' and the character will instantly try to attack.
W gamer whynot back at it again
Nathan asks such good questions. Professional student.
EDIT: New mark spawns 45s after last mark is cleared. Old mark disappears from map 15s after camp is cleared.
40:15 crab should've marked at 7:06 (Gromp died at 6:21) but it marked at 7:15 because crab spawned at 6:30. 6:30 + 45s = 7:15
idk why it's bugged to work that way but that's what happened
Just a typical Kindred mark bug, has been in the game for ages. There are even times where the mark never spawns until you cleared the camp.
As always Nathan releasing some the best educational jungle content in the world, your videos may be few and far between but they are always a huge bomb of knowledge. Whynot's insight on kindred gameplay goes perfectly with your way of explaining the game in a easy to understand way
This is awesome! Keep up the amazing content. Love hearing from other high elo perspectives too!
Very insightful video! Thank you for sharing!
Hey nathan great video, the marking of champion during combat hotkeys can be changed under champion specific interactions, however that option to change it can only be changed in-game or practice tool, it doesnt appear under client hotkey settings
Last season I hit master playing Graves and Kindred. I feel like an absolute bronzie listening to whynot.
Same dude tho I'm a gold kindred/Evelyn player
Thank y a lot, man. This videos helps a lot.
You can change the mark hotkeys under settings, hotkeys, abilities and summoner spells and theyre just under "Champion specific interaction"
You can change keybinds for shift+f1-5 its in settings-Hotkeys-abilities and summoner spells under the other section its the "Champion specific interaction 1-5" fuctions
You can change the key binds for marks. Its called champion specific interaction
Kindred is a Champ I always wanted to learn, did decently on my own but I am definitely looking forward to learning a lot from this Video
ive been playin lol since season 1..and i dont think ive ever been this excited to play lol xD.. legit..awesome video..much appreciated
As an Evelynn main, who loves playing Kindred, Warwick, and Leona jung, this video was massively enjoyable and informative.
thank you for the video Nathan!
you can change the bindings for marking, just fyi. it's under abilities and spells and all the way at bottom "champion specific interaction." also thanks for this excellent content - whynot is smartest jungler out there, consistently innovative and brilliant
so excited for this, settling in for some Kindred theory
Thank you both so much for this! I add my notes below in case they might help other Kindreds, or enable them to correct my misunderstandings:
Kindred's Identity:
'Carry' champion: Kindred wants as many resources as possible as fast as possible. Kindred has a powerful and flexible open (can invade farmers, can full clear or countergank early gankers), a weaker mid game (needs to work hard to keep pace with other champs who have cheaper builds and built in (i.e. not mark dependent) power spikes), and a very strong late game (front to back team fighting, high scaling stats and items).
Tempo: Kindred is a tempo jungler, their kit incentivises (marks) and enables (terrain scaling) this playstyle. This means they want to path and clear in such a way as to be able to act before the enemy jungler. Example: Imagine you know your next mark will spawn on enemy chickens, you could try to get it on spawn but chances are your enemy will be there to contest as they sequence through their camps. Instead you could skip a camp and make a play mid before they can, giving yourself lane priority to secure the next mark that will appear on gromp. Keeping up in levels and items is key to being able to do this, if you are too weak you can't clear fast enough to keep up tempo and are going to grief ganks and invades and keep falling behind.
Kindred's job:
Keep up/ahead: ENSURE sure you are constantly getting resources. Don't force, Kindred always has a late game safety net. Efficient camp sequencing is the most reliable way to get resources. Letting laners die can be acceptable if it means you can get 2+ camps, do not compromise early income. That said, Kindred can't just rinse clear for 20 mins, your clear speed is not top tier fast and you need to invade camps and get KP for marks. Therefore, prioritise farm, but look for opportunities for high probability plays. Be selective, fight the good fight, do not over-fight.
Path effectively: Kindred is very strong at lvl2-3 with red buff, due to their range and mobility coupled with red buff slow and burn. Therefore, you have the option to 2-3-camp gank/invade as well as full clear to scuttle (or variations).
Default pathing: Path bot to top 1st clear - Pathing to melee lanes (often top) is ideal as they are likely to trade and Kindred has range advantage in skirmishes. Bot leash helps augment Kindred's average clear speed to get to the crab on spawn.
Exception 1: 2-3 camp invades are necessary against rinse clear junglers with whom you can't compete on sequence tempo (e.g. Karthus, Hecarim, Lillia, Fiddlesticks, Shyvana, Bel'veth, Diana, Kayn).
Exception 2: bot lane is early snowball kill focused and has good gank set up e.g. Draven/Samira/Caitlyn, Nautilus/Pyke/Leona.
Exception 3: Check bot when doing wolves/chickens; are they heavy trading? do you think enemy jungler will gank them early? Do they have set up for you? If yes to 2/3, go there (bot-centric meta).
Get Marks: Kindred's stats scale with marks, you MUST be able to consistently secure marks. Getting 4 marks by 15 mins is important, 4 marks sub 10 mins is the goal. After 4, marks are less critical, but maintaining power relative to other champions does require you to keep getting them. Treat marks like objectives, work the map to set them up. Don't force plays, TRACK THE ENEMY JUNGLER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
You MUST anticipate the jungle mark spawns. The key to predicting marks is tracking the enemy jungler's pathing. Marks help with jungle tracking - free information about camp sequence.
0 Marks: only crab can mark. RNG which crab marks, If you get it great. If you are stuck on 0 marks and just lost the marked crab, be at the opposite side river in ~45 seconds (e.g. do a camp and recall then run straight to river) and kill the marked crab on spawn.
1 Mark: crab, raptors, gromp. Most junglers get a bot lane leash and clear a quadrant in a standard sequence, If they are red side their gromp will likely re-spawn at 04:20, if they are blue side their chickens will spawn at 04:55. Be there on spawn (if safe). This is a dangerous mark as the enemy is very likely to be there on their 2nd clear if playing properly. However, players often get distracted on their 2nd clear and so the next camp in the sequence is often more vulnerable - aim for that unless you already have substantial tempo.
2 Marks: crab, raptors, gromp. If you got mark 2 off their camp, the next mark is likely to be the other camp as this tends to spawn before the next crab. However, if the enemy is sequencing fast their camps will be down and the crab will mark.
3 Marks+: Game variance makes mark spawns hard to armchair predict, you have to use your tracking. Marks 4-7 spawn on krugs, wolves, buffs. Marks 8+ spawn on Dragons, Heralds/Barons.
Champion Marks: Mark the enemy jungler as soon as you spawn into the game. They are the champion you are most likely to encounter on your first clear, it will also better conceal your pathing intent. You will be able to switch the mark by the time you come to gank. After that, mark the easiest champ to kill (engagers, over aggressive players, weak players).
DPS fighting: As a marksman, Kindred likes front-to-back team fights. Stand behind something beefy (usually support or top, or best of all a wall) and fill the nearest enemy full of arrows. Target priority is always context specific, but generally it is the assassin/diver's job to hit the enemy backline whilst the marksman shreds the frontline and avoids dying.
Objective secure: As a jungler (usually) and a DPS champion, Kindred's job is to take big objectives (dragons, heralds, barons, towers). Kindred can generally solo baron at 3-4 items, providing one gives decent lifesteal (not recommended).
Kindred tips:
Fight near thin walls: Kindred fights best with something between you and the enemy. ALWAYS try to position close to hop-able walls when fighting. Learn which walls can be hopped and how to do each.
Triple Q camp clear: Use walls/0 vector Q animation cancels to get an extra Q from the W cooldown reset.
Double E camp clear: On first clear, E camp as soon as you are in range, that way it will come off cool down in time for 2nd use and execute damage.
Marking during combat: Shift + F1-5.
E shows the truth: If you tag a champion with E before they make a duplicate (e.g. Shaco and Neeko) only the original will tagged.
Marks show the truth: If you mark Neeko, the mark symbol will show above her head even if she is disguised e.g. as a minion.
Free healing: Shoot camps as you pass, even if you don't intend to clear them (e.g. skipping chickens on 1st clear). The jungle item will start healing you.
W placement: Shows over walls. Make sure to position the circle so it doesn't go out into lane when doing sneaky invades. W grants vision over walls and in bushes if the centre (wolf) is placed over the wall or in the bush, use it to look before you leap. Place the centre of W in the direction you want to kite towards. Whist waiting for a tower dive, use W to damage the cowering enemy they often don't even notice wolf is biting them. When sieging towers, place W behind you so you can use it for Q cooldown reduction without aggro-ing the tower if an enemy moves into it, or else help you back off.
R usage: It is not good to R for random saves, want R to allow you (or the main carry) to make high pressure plays and for big objective fights. It is ok to use R to save a big shutdown. Hold R for major telegraphed damage abilities (e.g. Karthus R, Kayn R, Zed R). During tower dives, hold R until you can get part of the circle outside of turret range. In team fights, try to place R toward the backline of your team to minimise the number of enemies caught in it and force them to over-extend into your team if they want its benefit. During R, place E on an enemy and hold the third proc until R ends to get the execute. If you are worried an objective might get stolen, use R just before it enters lethal range (~1000 hp), this can bait the enemy jungler's smite so you can smite it when R ends.
Mechanics are fundamental: watch montages/outplays, but most importantly - put in the games!
Fantastic video
I’ve been solely a tank jungler since I started playing in season 7. I’m so used to starting fights and dying for my carries that it’s hard learning the champs of the recent guides.
Sometimes I feel like my pool is holding me back (like if my team already has tank top/support) and I should learn a carry jungler or two to help me break into diamond. But I also wonder if that’s just an invisible narrative I need to ignore.
Just to clear up some clearing specific things Whynot said.
You don't NEED to zero vector Q (Q up a wall) to get a third reset on your Q in W. By just spamming the Q button, disregarding losing 2 autos, you can achieve the same thing. And its well worth it as 1 more Q deals damage of an auto, plus you have attack speed buff for longer.
It is possible to get 1 more auto, if you have a very crisp auto cancel and you also use 1 Q as it comes off cd. Doing zero vector Q makes the window more forgiving.
This is great! Can you do one for Viego if you can? THANKS!
Such video on graves would be amazing
Graves. Noted.
awesome content
Nice content
No one notices but the lee sin is actually M4, the infamous kindred player.
Hey, just curious what the main reason for conquer over PTA might be?
why are some of the other high level reviews gone :( like the belveth one
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The shift-f5 in combat is the most hidden tech I've ever seen.
1) No one knows those keybinds even exist
2) Why would you ever think to try this when the menu literally disappears?
Will definitely start using that
It must be a bug since passive literally says that you have to be out of combat for some time before you can mark champion. GP had similar bug with shift+F keys allowing to upgrade ultimate without returning to fountain until it got fixed.
@@mmorkinism Given how long kindred had the bug where wolf just sometimes refused to hit scuttle, I think we've got at least a few years to treat this as just part of the kit.
removed now : (
"Quite...REMARKABLE."
Im really curious why the early bot gank double kill did not include marking them. Nor changing marks for the 2nd kill 8second buffer. It wasn't commented as a mistake nor was it commented as intentional. So I'm just curious on this point what was the reasoning.
As a lillia main this really got me even more nervous of a good kindred. Did not think about gold and exp for rift herald, so good!
Please, Teaches You how to Evelynn next!!! I will wait till the end of the world! And good to see u back!
Noted.
on first bot gank after securing mark on chickens why not mark kai sa, since she is low and would give another mark making the 2 for 1 even more worth it?
My guy whynot soundin like a high school teacher. "Now class, whyyy do we want to go for herald? That's right, we want our 349th mark."
23:08 ''its like your playing a scaling jungler'' Yea, not only is he playing a scaling jungler, he is playing an infinite scaling jungler, thats also a marksman...
17 marks 😳 isn’t that like 700 attack range?!
graves vid would be nice
Was excited to hop into ranked, vs’d a shaco support w/ smite couldn’t play the game, uninstalled.
PLEASE DO ONE OF THESE WITH NIDALEE OR GRAVES! I LOVE YOUR CONTENT
Nidalee and Graves. Noted.
@@nathanmott yes, give nidalee some love pls !
Viego please!
I like the long format, unfortunately its probably too long for most people, shortening might be better
I think this is a perfect video for people that are willing to learn. They go really indepth on everything and its a good learning experience
,,very good challanger player(...)''
---800 lp oceania xd
The uploads! the uploadsss wtf
MA?D
Challenger OCE is like D4 NA, Plat 4 KR
I've gotten masters EUW with 300 ping, masters NA with 160 ping (back when I was only masters OCE) and GM Korea.