Will Navia "Save" Geo?
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If she's strong AND she doesn't really succeed then I will truly lose all hope for Geo.
She does win through straight Flair
same lol (honestly my hopes for Geo is already lost but I'm pulling her anyways, since I love her haha)
Tbh, she is in the worst position ever being released after the strongest character yet, Furina. Many won't try to wish for her since they have already spent a small fortune already on the Hydro Archon.
She'll be fine coz she's white.
I read her kit and see the potential. I and a few others don't discount raw damage, especially since she synergizes with Furina.
I don't think she'll save geo, maybe she will save herself from it
perfect way to describe it
She can’t even do that
or she would be the eula of geo
Navia will be just another beautiful stone on Geo’s tombstone. 🪦💀
Lol
Getting her regardless, but Geo needs heavy reworks whether or not she's strong. At this point, raw power is all they have.
Admitting geo needs a rework would require them to be self-aware and take responsibility for a foundational game imbalance, which they are immune to
@@StopHimNot true. They rebalanced Elemental Mastery a long time ago.
@@pyro226 true, but the problems are quite different. The buff to transformative reactions (in 1.6 I think?) was prep for Inazuma releasing. Electro and TRs weren’t broken; the change was to numerical values.
Geo as an element is “going its own way,” and feels like it’s in a death spiral because nobody cares about or needs crystallize and for some reason dirt has no relationship with plants in Teyvat
Geo is not getting a rework. Geo is getting characters that incentivize crystallize in their kit as a means to buffs or debuffs. The Geo reworks ship has sailed a long time ago. Hoyo’s fix to this will be the units.
I highly doubt they'd rework Geo a second time.
We need a Geo Nilou... Someone whose presence in the party alters how Crystallize works to make it do something more meaningful.
This, I imagined Navia was gonna turn crystallized into something offensive, it gets rid of the shield aspect and goes all exploding on enemies into beautiful rose petals instead.
Gonna wait for another Geo 5* support that will change what it means to be Geo before I roll again but for now, I'm satisfied that Furina has just saved my Noelle and I'm getting back into building a team for her instead with Gorou and Yunjin
I imagine Hoyo is waiting for a Natlan character to do it. And I'm predicting they're going to do it either 5.1 or 5.2 so people barely pull for them as they're trying to get the pyro archon (Murata?..)
Supposedly she is going to do something unique and wacky with crystallize. Leaks say crystallize shards she picks up are treated as "ammo" for use in her kit.
a 5 star character fixing an element is too much of a band-aid solution
we need an artifact set like VV but for geo
@@blubblubblupthere is one though, the name is Archaic Petra. The bad thing is it requires the character who has the set equipped to pick up the shards which isn't very convenient.
Here’s how you buff crystalize - each element’s shard becomes a slight buff based on the element’s value: pyro slightly buffs attack, electro gives a little energy, hydro heals a little, cryo can buff def or pick another stat. And the shield values stack.
cryo crit rate
THIS
This sucks HDAJSKA it's just wanderer's passive.
Was kinda hoping they made Navia into a Geo Nilou
That would be similar to the artifact set, but still better than nothing, even just buffing the shield it gives would still be better than what it is right now, imagine like 5-10k shields and it stacks? yeah that will not be as strong as the other reactions, but that will be alteast very useful, at this point any changes is welcome.
I've never understood why people think 1 character can "save" an element. The rest of the element will still have its issues lol. However I did think navia would've made super crystallize or something
Because genshin seldom directly tweaks a character or element directly. what they do instead is add characters that specialize in the issues at hand. The example here is everyone has an issue with crystalize: Navia uses cryalize shards to deal damage. So people get excited because we only ever really get ONE shot at any given "Fix character" to be made. Yknow?
@@nikojayson8572 The problem is that doesn't fix geo. Geo will still be lackluster, even if Navia is good. Consider Electro as an example. Raiden was the first breakthrough electro character (nothing against Fischl, but despite her power, she doesn't get nearly the rep as Xiangling or Benny). She, however, didn't fix electro. What did was dendro, because it made almost every electro character useful.
Yeah, genshin players are so dumb, if Navia be really good, only her will be good. The others geo char will be the same.
@@nikojayson8572 what are you talking about. mihoyo already buffed geo and a geo character before
@@tra-guyd5209 and that was in the early days of geshin, they wont do that again bcs of legal rights, they only did it bcs of the backlash of the chinese player base, and saying that they can do it again means that you wont understand
what i find to be an interesting idea for crystalize is to have a geo unit that kinda works like kaveh/nilou and they have a skill that explodes nearby crystalize shards or turns crystalize shards they create explosive to really spice up the reactions. probably being really copium tbh but i am hoping
This is probably the best possible short term remedy, as long as the crystals do elemental damage based on the element that was crystallized instead of just geo
Then you can get more reactions every time the crystals explode
bloom 2.0
i want an EM based geo catalyst user with Gorous shard absorbtion and that one abyss blessing from i think 1.3 which caused elemental explosions when picking up shards in its kit
Navia is the first Geo character that uses crystallize aside from just putting them on. That’s the design philosophy Hoyo will most likely move Geo towards. Geo has a solid team with mono geo, but the element lacks uses outside of that team archetype. With releasing geo characters that provide dmg, debuffs and buffs for using crystallize, the element gains the much needed flexibility it lacks. Navia is a step to the right direction. Chiori will most likely be crystallize focused too.
Well if that is the case then Geo is complete failure because it isn't going to be strong and it isn't going to be popular. If it was broken beyond broken which is what would need to happen in order to sell then I wouldn't mind it so much but sadly it is not going to be. I want a solo Geo DPS that heal and/or shield to solo the game with.
@@fastedwarrior7353 you want a solo character to do what a whole team does in a team building game. You truly a don’t understand the game the way you think you do.
@@BlizandrioActually yes I do want that. It seems like you are coping for Navia who is very weak. If Noelle has no ER issues and had higher multipliers she would the character I want. I wanted a five star Noelle for so long now.
@@fastedwarrior7353why do you want a meta breaking changing character it’s just genshin ijibol 😭😭 y’all act like it’s a ranked game
I am picking her up regardless if shes good or not. But I have a feeling that after Dehya's release Hoyo isn't going to let that happen again. Even if we didn't hear anything about Hoyo's internal reaction to Dehya's sales and feedback I can't imagine that it didn't change anything about how they design characters.
They'll let it happen again. If you look at Dehya's kit, she's designed akin to Kokomi. They are both meant to be defensive off-field supports that provide some elemental application. They both have bursts that let them play at being a DPS. They both have mostly constellations that boost damage, despite not being meant to be damage dealers. And they even do about the same DPS as each other, in a solo situation with similar levels of gearing. Of course, there are differences, with the key one being that Kokomi works, while Dehya... doesn't. But, well, that's because Kokomi is a catalyst user, which is handy for non-DPS characters (elemental application), hydro (best element, hands-down, doing good stuff with every other element, except geo, because geo sucks), and isn't a kinda meh support who also needs another support on the team.
Also, worth noting that Xinyan is basically a pyro take on Noelle. Bit more offensive, because pyro, but a character with a def scaling shield who applies def as attack to their charged attack spin to win as their C6, that also uses their burst for damage (except Xinyan's burst is weaksauce, all things considered). Like Dehya, badly flawed, and in ways that would have been apparent in testing prior to release. Both of these characters they released in a state that could easily be seen to be lackluster. They made the same mistake prior to Dehya, in other words.
What this shows is that it is quite likely that Hoyoverse will design another character like Kokomi and Dehya. And if the main role of the kit doesn't perform as well as players would like, for whatever reason, boom, we'll have another Dehya. Alternately, that they'll try another pyro take on a support, and they'll screw it up, yet again. Or maybe it'll be cryo or electro, and it too will suck, because it won't have the hydro factor to bail it out. Heck, it could be anemo, and it'll suck because it doesn't group.
@@Axterix13 To be fair Kokomi was actually a good character on release the community just didn't know how to evaluate her. She has since then become an incredibly consistent character for a lot of teams. Xinyan was released back in 1.1 with Zhongli so I am willing to write that off as they didn't really know what they were doing especially considering that Zhongli and Geo got buffed because of the widespread CN community backlash I think we can count that one far enough in the past to pass on. Dehya is really the only unique case amongst the characters you mentioned. I don't think Hoyo is going to design a character as poorly as they did with Dehya again if they can help it. From a business perspective it makes little sense for them to release another character that bad on purpose again.
@@Azure_Aether I'm not saying Kokomi is bad. She never was. That's why I explicitly go into why she works, which are all things Dehya lacks, and therefore why Dehya doesn't. What I am saying is that Hoyoverse has certain specifications they design to. For an off-field, defensive support, that doesn't include high damage. Which means if they flub up the support part, you can very easily get another Dehya, because those characters will lack the things that make Kokomi work. For example, just imagine how Kokomi being any other weapon type other than catalyst would weaken her. Or how much less use she'd see if she was cryo instead of hydro. And if the defensive support part isn't something simpler to balance like healing/shielding, well, there will be at even greater risk of sucking.
And no, Xinyan is not a special case. Yes, they didn't know what they were doing. Yes, they screwed up. And then they screwed up another pyro character in many of the same ways. One of Dehya's many issues is that she doesn't scale enough with hp at C0. And the initial design they put forward, before a close to release patch, had her scaling even less with hp. You know who else sucks because she doesn't scale off the right stat? Yeah, Xinyan. Want another character with poor scaling choices? Well, there's Kuki, whose elemental skill damage scales off attack,when it really should be HP, which is what her burst scales off. Of course, Kuki's kit works, but again, obvious issues with the kit that Hoyoverse ignored/missed. And with Dehya, they were told over and over that this character was lackluster. And they didn't address the issues. Some will say that means they wanted her to suck. Me, I'm more inclined to not attribute to malice what can be easily explained by stupidity.
And Hoyoverse does screw up character design a decent amount of the time already. Just most of the time, it is with non-DPS characters, because non-DPS characters are not as easy to design/balance as DPS ones. So why aren't there more complaints? Well, Genshin doesn't release many characters, and, generally speaking, those more support orientated characters are four stars. Five stars are almost always DPS types. Furina, support, but also nice DPS. Same deal with Nahida. The last one I'd say is a true (non-healer) support prior to Dehya would be Shenhe (and Shenhe is kinda lackluster too, all things considered, with Kaz being a better support for cryo than she is). But four stars? A far smaller percentage of them are DPS types. And we're used to four stars sucking, so we just accept it. And we're fine with them only being decent at C6 as well, despite that being incredibly lame and poor design. But if Hoyoverse tries to make more of these non-offensive support characters as five stars, we'll get more five star disappointments. Not saying they'll all suck, or even that most of them will suck. But they will screw up.
Basically, it is only a matter of time. Because they don't care what we think. They know that even if they screw up again, the next waifu will see everyone opening up their wallets. Or else you'll go play Honkai Star Rail or their next new title, because you won't hold them accountable anymore than those idiots who bought Diablo IV after knowing about Diablo Immortal held Blizzard accountable. Heck, many people will probably be thankful for having an easy choice on who to skip.
Zhongli: *singlehandedly sacrifices his release reputation to revitalize the entirety of Geo*
Navia: "Ok my turn."
*throws dice*
I think it will be rough seeing as geo needs geo res to debuff geo. Like other elements you have vv or deep wood to debuff resistances, geo you only have zhongli and geo res. Either the multiplier has to be absolutely cracked that you don’t need a debuff or they release a geo buffer instead of a defense buffer.
Geo just needed some kind of interaction with Dendro (which makes perfect sense, element-wise). Dunno, create something, like a "Sprouting" elemental reaction and make it a powered-up Dendro core that can react to Electro/Pyro/Hydro in the same way. That would shake up the element meta and give Geo a place in the spotlight.
Totally agree that Dendro not reacting with Geo was a huge missed opportunity
nilou's gimmick should have been the geo reaction with ... nope that would be absolutely broken. 🤔
i don’t think Navia will “save” geo but im hoping she’ll at least bring something new to the table that will open up a door for hoyo to experiment with geo going forward! something like a “geo-Nilou” that modifies the crystallize reaction, having her do something cool with constructs, or at least having a kit similar to Yun Jin’s in the sense that she’s not mono-geo reliant bc as fun as my Itto team can be, imo it gets really boring and stale that geo is just so insular and limits team-building… it’s honestly been such a breath of fresh air to play Noelle outside of a fully mono geo team with Furina so really anything Navia can do to break out of the current state of geo would be awesome
Most Fontaine characters have been trying out new ways of playing the game:
Lyney "recommends" you to play Mono Pyro
Lynette is free
Freminet rewards you for using Shatter
Neuvillette is used as the "Main DPS" instead of reaction enabler
Wriothesley..... uh he's got cake
Furina allows healers to be on the spotlight after 3 years.
From these past character designs, Navia will have to either play around Crystallize or Geo constructs itself (or Shatter if you're feeling spicy).
Wriothesley is the first cryo DPS able to play Melt without sacrificing part of his damage (Melt Ganyu can't burst or she loses the melt).
I thought I was the only one that noticed, lol
Wriothesley is the only cryo DPS that can drive Yelan/XQ/Thoma/etc.
Easily the most versatile in terms of teambuilding.
@@danielcarrilho5217 ???
what
@@Cherie_nby Wrio is the only one who actualy wants to be on field doing normal attacks, can play melt/freeze/burgeon/hyperbloom or a mix of everything instead of being locked to freeze or melt (and without switching artifact set).
I'd keep Crystalise as an innate reaction from Geo but it causes an additional effect based on the reaction.
E.g. Geo and Hydro gives a shield and a small amount of healing based on elemental mastery
Someone in a different video made the brilliant suggestion of giving Crystalise res-shred alongside the shield drop
@@Konpekikaminarithat would be so good
Yes, like either Resonate a Geo reaction with the update of crystallize. Possibly by that Geo char who will give a benefit from it.
Of course just a mini idea of scaling but nothing too game breaking (in which it could)
Such as
Pyro: Boost Dmg by either Em Scale/Def/ or Hp of that user
Cryo: Increase Both Crit Value by 15-20% If against Frozen opponent, then 20-30%
Electro: Atk speed is increased by 15%
Hydro: Either Boost Max Hp or Heal you
Some characters may lose a slight potential but some will be Unique buff. Multiple crystallize shield obtained will be independent from one another in case for picking up multiple for Albedo or Navia case
*Exactly* this!!
Still Crystalise. Keep it. Too late to rework it.
But yeah, each crystalise crystal is already different according to each (other) element. Like you say, just add an effect or damage buff or something.
Crit rate would be a cool one for cryo.
Have the amount of bonus tie to Elemental Mastery, like tge shield HP already is.
It SOUNDS doable. 🤷♀️
I'll pull for her regardless of element or kit, she's easily one of my favourite Fontaine characters! And I love Geo, just wish I had more reason to use it.
Same, I am waiting to get her, even if she is useless in Spiral Abyss, I will still get her!
is navia going to be in the standard banner?
@@Ash21259 lol, I don't care. I am grabbing her for the looks like how I want an E6 Keqing even though I don't play her 😂
Isn't it the fact that Geo is so completely unlike the other elements, and going "against how they normally work", that it's particularly cool and unique to the people that actually dig it?
Geo in general needs to be buffed. The Def scaling is a cool concept but we need more raw power to compensante the lack of reactions. If the crystalize reaction also delt damage based on EM then Geo would not have a useless stat... I don't know, Geo has potential but it needs tweaks.
Sad thing is they already did that. Geo resonance used to be the worst in the game. Now it's easily the strongest.
You know what I think would be cool? If Navia’s ult did the same thing as the destruction resonance in star rail. Convert 50% of all characters’ current health into a shield that lasts for 15 seconds or something like that.
It would synergies well with both the HP mechanic in Fontaine and Geo’s shield theme.
A buff for Geo I can think of is that destroying the crystalize shield creates a shockwave. Kinda like those in the previous events and in the current abyss or similar to Noelle's kit. It's kinda small thing that they already have but it will still be interesting is there is more elemental reactions to crystalize.
What if navia becomes the nilou of geo where she changes the element so geo reaction are viable.
Uhhh.....nilou made one reaction of dendro viable, dendro is usefull without bloom.i dont think Navia can change the whole viability of an element by herself
I'm still surprised that dendro doesnt like... grow spikey vines on geo constructs or smthn
As a geo main, i am very very happy and excited for her, and i just hope they further explore one of the thing that make geo unique, their geo construct
I also am a geo main, and own all the available characters. That being said, Navia is an interesting one because she doesn’t fit into the traditional Geo Family role. Much similar to Ningguang in attack scaling. I don’t think she’ll be much stronger than Noelle, if I am being quite frank.
@@XSkimmilkmanX ayyy same here, geo gallore. I agree in her position is not with a geo team but i think navia have potential to be better than noelle because unlike noelle who can do lot of stuff...navia gimmick is more focus so i think she can reach higher than noelle in her own way
dw I was planing to go all in for navia from the start, navia nation rise up!!!
My ideal rework for Geo, is changing what Crystalize does.
- Shards give parallel infusement.
- This basically means you get the coordinated attack effect like what you see on characters like Ei, Albedo and Deyha.
- It lets them do damage, as well as more reactions. This essentially lets you be a swiss army knife of support effects. You still get the shield, and you get the benefit of utilizing elements like we see from the Vishaps.
I dont know their reasoning behind not giving geo a reaction with dendro or anemo once we reached sumeru.
It had already been long established that geo characters werent selling as well and that they could use a buff
Zhongli's petrify is already built into the game, that would have been a great reaction for example. Its different from freeze in that it doesnt break when you hit it with claymores but would give geo the cc that would make it viable with lots of other teammates.
Honestly this is just one idea but any idiot could have thought of something better than its current reaction...
i love claymores and geo is an alright element to me, but i just couldnt get into itto's playstyle and speed despite having all of his necessary parts (premium team and signature weapon) so im really looking forward to getting navia for something different : )
Another glaring issue with geo is lack of role diversity in the element.
-Albedo is the only off field damage dealer of the element, and a limited 5 star
-Zhongli is the only off field shielder of the element, and a limited 5 star
-Gorou is a geo buffer that mostly buffs DEF scaling units, but really needs C6 to make geo characters shine
-Yun Jin isnt even good with other geo units besides Noelle
And the rest of the roster needs to be on field to do their stuff.
Geo needs more supports, More shielders, More healers, More resistance shredders, and of course more off field DPSs
technically, zhongli is an off-field dps on a construct team. but the issues with that type of team are endless. to even do any amount of measurable damage you'll need all the constructs to be hitting the same enemy and that is awful to maintain.
Not to mention albedo's signature is also a limited weapon and no geo standard banner lmao, Geo is a really exclusive element
what I really hope they do with geo if they ever change it, is make it so whenever a crystallize shield breaks or times out (either by running out of time or picking a new one up) it deals elemental damage of the same type as the shield
*spoiler/leak territory*
Navia basically saves herself by disregarding every other Geo
She works with Crystalize but in a kinda dissapointing way, she uses the reaction to get stronger but doesn't do anything with the reaction itself, she doesnt make the reaction stronger, she just uses the fact that you have triggered it
But her animations are incredibly good looking and the damage doesn't seem bad, nowhere near Dehya for sure
I'm gonna get Navia on her rerun (unless she gets put on standard banner for some reason). I just like her design and color palette since my main team mostly has any other color except yellow and I like how bright she looks. Not to mention her leaked attack animations and signature weapon looks cool.
But of course, all my primos ran out after spending it all on Furina soo...yeah.
Same, she's pretty but furina took all my pulls-
idccc I’m getting her bcse she’s such a lovely character 💝
I can imagine a dendro character saving geo by having passives similar to nilou where they use geo and dendro to heavily increase the viability of the team using their passives bc it's like *earth* element and all
Misty unrelated but can we just talk about how much wasted potential crystallise has?
You’re telling me that each element has it’s own blank slate reaction and they didn’t even consider giving reactions customisable effects until nilou and even then only to her??? And even when not given anything special, there’s hardly any characters that interact with geo.
We could’ve had kaveh making little structures out of hydro crystals, zhongli turning them into a burst of damage when picked up, xinyan converting pyro crystals into stacks for her shield, kuki gaining an em boost when electro crystals are picked up, xiao giving a party-wide jump boost when picking up a crystal and so, SO many more completely missed opportunities that are stuck as hypotheticals.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like Navia with save Geo. Geo really needs a rework for crystalize.
I thought of two changes that would be really helpful:
One is to make crystalize shields stack with each other, up to a certain amount of HP. Maybe like 5000hp. This would make it so the shields are good enough when you get a lot of them and you don't need to build EM on Geo characters.
The second change would be to boost Geo's offensive supportability. Whenever a crystalize shield is picked up or destroyed, it will lower surrounding enemies resistance to Geo and the elemental type of the shield by like 10-15%.
I think these two changes would boost Geo's compatibility with other teams without needing to do an entire overhaul on the crystalize reaction. The changes are generic enough so it affects current and future Geo characters and I think it makes Geo into the defensive/ supportive element it was originally designed to be.
What you propose can easily be a new Geo character’s kit. All Geo needs is to release characters that do exactly that. Hoyo won’t rework an element 3 years after launch. That ship has sailed, what they are def gonna do is release units with those gimmicks
@@Blizandrio Yeah it could be a new character's kit, which I wouldn't be surprised if they did make something like that. I'm just saying it would be better if they just buffed the element as a whole instead of using specific characters to fix the element. If they only use characters to fix things, then all the current Geo characters won't benefit from that. They would get more sales if all the Geo 5*s had value because crystalize was actually a good reaction.
I don't think enough people realize what Geo is meant to be. Geo is a foil to Anemo. You can't rework Geo completely to be an individual element like Hydro or Dendro, it has to have a singular reaction just like Swirl. However, Crystalize in it's current state can't compete with Swirl because of VV shred. Imagine for a moment we never got Viridescent Venerer, and Anemo was known only for its crowd control or elemental absorption; people would call it trash. VV is what made Anemo so prominent in the meta, and Geo needs a similar artifact set in order to make it work. The other, more bandaid solution to buffing Geo is essentially creating a Geo Nilou, or a character that somehow modifies/boosts the Crystalize reaction in a way thats crazy good, but I think even that still wouldn't fix the larger issue.
I'mma be honest:
I've been saving for Navia since the end of the first chapter of the Fontaine Archon quest.
I didn't care about Meta minmaxing with Dehya. I don't care now
Also: I'm *Loving* Dehya's kit! ^^
Which IS the one thing I'm worried about with Navia:
That I simply won’t enjoy her kit :/
Much like Anemo, I simply don't "*get*" Geo. Neither has 'clicked' for me yet.
Hopwfully, like you said, her kit will be interesting *regardless* of reaction. Like many recent characters have been ^^
Question if I don't pull Navia oh my account still fine? Coz I didn't have supporting character like guoro zhongli that two. Not ruined my account without her and still clear abyss if her banner?
I haven’t pulled in months and I still clear all content VERY easily
Navia wont do anything really pulling for. You're better off pulling for the archons or yelan/kazuha
She won't want to be paired with Gorou. Gorou needs two other geos to buff geo DMG. With just one other geo, he only buffs def%, which she doesn't scale with. She also wants enough elemental application of other elements to make crystals. Zhongli will and won't be more useful to her. He does provide a big shield, -20% geo res, and being on the team with her with that shield up means geo resonance. But he's horrible for energy generation, not great for crystal generation either, and typically a DPS loss for the team, though he offers a lot of comfort and a nice comfy clear is better than one that can go amuck because of RNG.
Overall, if you're worried about teams, just wait a bit until we're closer to her banner launch and her kit's numbers are a bit more likely to be set in stone. We'll get some videos from theorycrafters about her likely best teams and such before we're in 4.3.
For the rest, since you say "still clear abyss", that implies you currently clear it. And as such, she won't suddenly make your account suck, so yes, you should still be able to clear it.
Normally in other games with the earth elemental that don’t mix well they make the dmg scaling higher
She won't save geo, because there is no saving Geo. Geo doesn't do cool stuff when combined with other elements, and that's that. They might make a Geo character that does do that type of thing, but that won't save Geo. It'll just make that one character useful. Much like how Zhongli is as useful as he is in part because he is geo (since he is less likely to mess up other reactions, so can go into more teams), but he doesn't save Geo. They screwed up by not making Geo part of bloom and Quicken reactions like electro is.
And yeah, she won't sell well. She's geo. She's claymore. She's after the archon. There are a bunch more waifus on the horizon, including a Harbinger. She will also likely be paired with Ayaka, who has been rerun enough times already that most players looking for her and/or her constellations have what they want already. Theorycrafters say her weapon won't be that stellar either, so she's unlikely to pull in a lot of sales there, though Mistsplitter might help in that regard. And I think how her kit plays will also hold her back. The focus on the elemental skill to do a quick nuke. Get her on, fire the shot, get her off... far less appealing, I think, than bringing a character on field and clobbering stuff for a bit (Hu Tao, Yoimiya, Itto, Alhaitham) or watching a character provide big numbers from off-field (Yelan, Fischl, Yae, Kuki in hyperbloom). Heck, I think it'll even be less appealing than characters that want too much field time, cutting into your ability use other characters (Cyno, Wanderer), because those characters you at least build a team around, featuring them.
I am planning to get her, though. But, well, I do think that isn't a smart decision on my part and I doubt I'll get my primos worth out of her.
I have an idea. Pyro shards create magma which can envelop and petrify the enemy, electro shards become lightning rods that occasionally summon lightning, hydro shards induce the weathering effect which reduces the enemy’s overall resistance. I’m not sure about cryo though.
Really love navia will absolutely be pulling her,her role in the archon quest was amazing and made me emotional at points
Geo reaction suggestion
Wither (geo + dendro) all enemy weaknesses are reduced as long as geo keeps being applied to the enemy.
Chip (geo + hydro) enemy receives true health damage over time based on HP + EM of the triggering character. Has a cooldown of 10 seconds.
Ground (geo + electro) enemy is stunned and takes additional electro damage over time.
Crumble (geo + pyro) target gains an aura that increases pyro damage % over 5 seconds. Can only be applied once per 7 seconds.
Geo shatter (geo + cryo) target takes much higher geo damage. One instance.
All reactions still cause crystalize reaction. But instead of granting a shield, it causes certain percentage of damage deals the crystallized element based on EM of the geo unit. This extra damage does not cause reactions.
they could add a reaction to wind and dendro, like buffing dendro reactions with other elements, and a damage over time for anemo?
How To Fix Geo:
Type 1 The Broken way; Each element drops a crystal, like it does now, except they give small buffs as well as sheilds; these buffs would start low and build up the more shards you create.
Each buff would depend on the element reacted with, for example pyro = attack, electro = energy recharge, hydro = hp buff, Cryo = basic attack damage, dendro = elemental mastery.
Type 2, second anemo; The crystal shards land in place and become elemental sources for a certain duration, exploding upon expiration or destruction. The shields only spawn after the shard is destroyed; allowing for an offesnive tactic and a defensive tactic in the same mechanic.
waiting for chiori weapon (geo sword character) and what it will scale off that gives me hope for albedo to have better option in terms of weapon because if you don't have cinnabar spindel then only HoD is good but like it's only a 3 star weapon the passive is nice but you can't always get it not to mention the bug with the spindel not procing properly in some situations
speaking of fricking not reruning a character for like year and half it is very possible that albedo and itto will go to close if not surpasing eula rerun time albedo is speculated to get rerun maybe 4.5/6
also past event weapons they should make a shop for them even if it would cost even something crazy (less then 100$) I would say people would buy it for collection or just to use on someone furina/albedo/eula etc...
can we say that shatter is like only physical reaction?
I can think of dozens of ways to make Geo better with character specific mechanics. Hoyo should be able to figure something out.
If she works along Noelle that will be a Plus to pull for her
I dunno to be honest, I really dont mind pulling for her after getting furina and neuviellte as I was already planning to skip clorinde, like seriously I have 2 of the best electro + keqing, but I was prioritizing the adepti Bayonetta because its bayonetta when I saw the leaks back then long before fontaine was released, neuvillete because most of my fave chars are female with the exception of zhongli and he is the dragon sovereign and furina was already in the plan long time ago as I was aiming for the archons first , I could prolly try with 50/50, but I usually don't rely on it so I always save a guaranteed, and I have barely any left after c2 furina(she deserves all of it XD), I need to calculate how much primo I can get with welkins before up to her release, but I am also still on the fence of navias skill, it appears she scatters it with multiple enemy resulting in lower damage, her skill seems to be her main thing, so it does not make sense having her as skill user and it gets weaker the more enemy are hit, sure its stronger on bosses or single target, but some bosses have summoned units or bosses that are on pairs, in abyss you rarely fight a single target, even just hitting 2 target would mean half the damage, thats not really good, I really thought they were making her follow the hp/drain trend but no, they are making geo different, but navia's kit so far doesnt really look good, Dunno why hoyo is doing geo so dirty despite them being chinese and geo represents china.
Furina is sorta a buff to geo based main dpsers
Her ults buff works the same as an elem damage increase Which most those units tend to not have access to
since v and kazuha Don't work on them so the elem type buff modifier to them is not saturated
The reason I absolutely love Navia
Her speech to Neuvillete was so powerful I loved that moment
What would be cool, is if Navia made it where every time you pick up a crystal, it explodes in that crystal's element. Still get the shield, too, obviously, but crystals now do bonus damage!
No matter what, I'll pull her along like a wedding where I'm the groom and the bride is Navia!
It's hard to skip her frankly. She's beautiful, and everytime I look at her it remind me of Candy Candy the anime from the 70s. Strong willed, kindhearted, and even though she cried a lot but she face through all those hardship without giving up hope.
C4 ER build Gouro, C2 Burst build Zhong-li, C6 Noelle, C1-C2 Itto is actually an absurdly OP Geo team that's more or less unkillable, and deals quite a massive amount of overall damage. You can swap Itto for Furina for a Noelle main build pretty easily too just be warry your losing out on your Sub/Main Geo Dps as a result and Furina will need to fill the void. It is also possible to have another main Geo dps fill the role of Itto but that's on you.
The Geo team I suggested grants Very HIGH Geo Particle regen, absurdly high C.C. with Zhong-li's space meatballs of doom, Noelle offers piercing and high burst dmg also. BOTH Noelle and Gouro offer healing. Both Zhong-li and Noelle offer a shield for survivability, Both Noelle and Itto offer damage sustain, Itto also offers a bit of a ranged attack with Ushi, and Gouro's arrow shots.. All bases get covered frankly Healing, Shielding, High dmg output and Burst C.C. for mobs. It's a bit specific due to the Constellation costs and builds, but doing so makes the team virtually GOD mode. Give it a try if your able too.
waiting for her since leaks of fontaine came out, i’ll definitely try getting her!
I started saving for navia since before fontaine , i will get her no matter what even if she was a geo dehya because its been a while since i actually liked the design of character this way , hoyoverse did a great job writing and designing her , plus the fact that i don't care about the element (actually geo is one of my favorite) as long as i enjoy the character because the game isn't that hard from the beginning
I always believe that there's a reason why there isn't any geo character yet in standard banner
And that reason is that they're putting Navia on it? o.0
YES!
@@azuarc
For me, its not even the fact that she's geo, its the fact that she's an atk scaler. this incentivizes playing her with bennett, which in turn incentivizes playing xiangling. we need a geo character that isnt insular that also wont just be xiangling mono pyro
I seriously hope Chiori becomes the Geo 5s as that i depict her, with a gameplay mechanic, which buffs the party differently, based in which Elemental aligned Crystallize Shards she collects in. This way would receive the Characters, if MHY woudl be so kind to fix the game finally also with addign Dendro Crystallize and Anemo Crystallize 6 different ways how Chiori could unique buff a party, giving her great Party Support that feals with each Party Compisition differently then depending on which other Elements you pair her up with.
Then would buff collectign in a Pyro Crystallize Shard the party different, than collecting in a Hydro Crystallize Shard. The system is simple, by the way how she woudl support the group would be very flexible.
Pyro Shard = Group Based ATK Buff based on Chioris EM
Hydro Shard = Group Based HP Buff based on Chioris HP
Electro Shard = Group Based Movement Speed Buff based on Chioris EM
Dendro Shard = Group Based EM Buff based on Chiori's ATK
Anemo Shard = Group based DEF Buff based on Chiori's ATK and EM
Cryo Shard = Group based Crit rate Buff based on Chiori's EM
simethign liek this woudl be my dream design for her as a Geo Character, it would make her such a great Support Character, if she woudl work like this, while being a Geo Bow Character to stay in safe range, making her the first 5S Geo Bow User then.
But for that to happen, MHY has to finalyl completely rework Crystallize and Geo as Element in itself, fixing the holes MHY made with its design from day 1, like the metion missing Elemental Shards, so that Geo finally reacts with all Elements, giving actually geo finally more reactions and design it, like every other Element to react basically with every Element uniquely.
Crystallize should in itself be not a Reaction, but a Geo specific Feature, which happens automatically periodically when Geo Characters are around other elemental Characters, their presence alone should let Shards appear when being close to Allies or Enemies of other Elements with an internal cooldown timer which can then be affected by Artefacts, Talents ect, and EM in order to make finally EM useful for Geo Characters ...so that a Geo Character build in EM will spawn quicker more Shards ...
Anyone know if NAVIA will be on standard?
I think it would be easy to "fix" geo. Just instead of only making crystals upon contact with anither element, when you pick up the crystals you also get reactive damage of that element for 10 seconds when picking up a crystal....and it can continually be refreshed.
How do you pronounce the name of this channel?
P The sucking in of crystallize shards and having them do something special is the key to making this element great. They need to really rework Geo by adding that mechanic to all Geo characters and giving them something special they get for it
Geo is already fine. you all just want another freaking Geo dps -_- or a Geo unit that scales on attack. Geo is supposed to be a support / temporary shielder of the party.
like come on out of all the 7 Geo character (8 or 9 if you count Traveler and Navia in the future) that are out now only 2 are can built pure dps at default and those units are Ningguang and Itto the rest are support. c6 Noelle is also a good dps but again she need c6 to be an actual on field dps.
an easy way to make geo more appealing to use is to make the shields formed by crystalize give buffs based on the crystalized element kinda like how wanderer absorbs elements for buffs when he uses his E fire shields would gives atk up ice crit up eletro energy recharge hydro increased hp throwing a geo into lets say a neuv furina team and giving them hydro crystalize to buff their hp would increase their dmg.
alternatively hydro shields could heal while the hydro shield is up. just give elemental shields buffs basically these are all rough example of the buffs.
Geo characters carry the Geo element. They have great abilities and crazy scaling, so they succeed despite their ass-tier element.
Crystalise doesnt need to do damage. The shields just need to buff numbers. Genshin doesnt have do change a thing about the reactions...
The resonance already incentivises having a shield. The shield being weak could be made up by giving the active character a buff relating to the element. The resonance already sort of does this, but geo needs the added numbers.
Having specific elemental shields buffing certain stats could give lesser used characters more reason to be used. Cryo shield could provide crit rate, therefore alleviating the heavy requirements in artefacts and weapons, and instead allowing focus on other stats the character might need, thus making cryo work with geo. This goes with any element... [giving geo shatter damage would be good too].
The shields [and elemental characters] act as extra artefact stats further buffing on top of the already strong geo resonance.
What might be her best f2p weapon 🤔 is the Inazuma claymore good or the luxurious sealord claymore one??
Single character can’t save an element but she can save herself by properly weaponize her reaction as revealed so far.
She saves petra set for sure,first char to actually use it without copium crystal collecting
@@greenvega now you can use petra Noelle with Furina + Xingqiu + Yelan :D
@@malwinakob3460 i mean its first geo char who have large area of succing those crystals so u don't need run around like idiot trying to collect them, that's basically what i mean with not copium to use
Can I still skip Navia if I don't have enough primos in the first place?
it feels so weird to be this earlyyy!! anyway i luv ur videos and ur voiceee!!
I love geo and I am going to pull for her and her weapon. But I did wish it had more versatility.
I don't need her to "save" her element and frankly I can't personally expect anything less than an Archon would have the power budget from up top to "save" a whole element (how fitting that Furina exactly does this by "saving" the archetype of hard support healer).
"Geo: The Team" is perfectly fine if you're into it and technically the core is just Itto or Noelle plus Gorou. They still work fine with your Bennetts and Fischls and what have you, the real "allure" of the full Geo squad is you're building several units that aren't ravenously desired by every other team on Teyvat (Zhongli mostly excepted, of course). I have a built Noelle, I have an Itto I'll eventually build for days I'm feeling like going Himbo Smash. Geo doesn't need another cog, or heaven forbid, another team leader, to fight for a spot in "The Team," it needs a good unit that wants to be the "head" of other teams with all the other elements that use all those other characters that don't do gold earthy things. And that'll be tough as heck to manage.
I'm pulling for her either way and building her even if she's awful, but I'll just be rather annoyed if she's trying to arm wrestle Itto and Noelle as a DEF-scaling DPS when she really needs to be different so there's any shot of her finding a niche we haven't already crammed rocks into.
Instead of making Navia into a character who changes the crystallize reaction, reworking geo, or even making a new artifact set, why don't they just... make crystallize deal damage? That's it, that's ALL they need to do to fix Geo's problems. Anemo is also an element with only 1 reaction, yet anemo dps characters can still make use of it because it still deals damage, if crystallize dealt damage, just like swirl, that would already fix so much of geo's problems. Geo characters can finally have a reaction that helps them deal damage, and this also means geo characters are no longer restricted to mono geo, they can easily make use of characters of other elements. Bonus points if the crystallize reaction could crit. You could argue that this would make geo a "dps only" element, as the shield generated by crystallize would still suck, and it wouldn't have any other reactions, but honestly this would put geo at any already much better place than it already is.
i think they could give cristalyze a heal for picin multiple up, or something like that and problem solved,with the new artifact set maybe it would be too broken but hey, one can dream
I've been saving up for her since I saw her kit.
For an easy explanation for her is watch Francis Drake from Fate Grand Order.
Kenobi - That girl is our last hope
Yoda - No, another there is
wonder if she can run unforged :^)
Navia kit does revolves around crystalize
Ngl I want her to be a party wide geo healer bc I want to be able to use the Petra set with furina and make my nevuillte absolutely insane
Geo as a concept had so much potential, especially with the release of Dendro, everybody expected the plant and earth element to be synergistic but nope, crystalized is all it does and with so many dedicated shield characters it's kinda useless, the most useless reaction of all I dare say. Goro was a step in the right direction making the crystalized shards explode and adding more dps, but so far all other reactions, except freeze, do a better job at dps even burning for fucks sake.
Imagine geo and dendro creating the sprout reaction, plants that leech off the enemy and regenerate health, or geo and hydro creating the mud reaction making enemies movement slower/preventing teleporting abilities, or geo and wind creating the Sandstorm reaction making enemies miss attacks. I'm not even a game developer and I came up with this, so much wasted potential.
Navia will just end up becoming another wasted pebble on Geo’s gravestone. 🪦 Character kits are bandaid solutions to the fix Geo. One kit will not repair the 3-year terrible issues of Geo. Just because Navia wants different elements in her team does not make Geo suddenly synergize with other elements. that’s a kit thing. not an element thing. kits of characters are not the element itself. What needs to be done is fix the foundational mechanics of Geo itself:
- improve Crystallize. it should provide something else more than flimsy shields.
- Crystallize shards should explode after 6 seconds. enemies within its small AoE range should receive elemental dmg and be applied an elemental status of the shard’s element. This will synergize Geo with other elements for chaining reactions (like Swirl), and EM will be truly utilized by Geo characters. Swirl would be a frontloaded offensive reaction to spread elements; Crystallize will be a backloaded defensive reaction to spread elements.
- geo constructs should be deployed with ease just like how deployables from other elements are invincible when summoned (Yae’s turrets, Oz, Guoba, Dehya’s fiery sanctum, Mona’s water pulse thing, Yaoyao’s bunny). if geo constructs break, they should leave a geo energy phantom construct that will finish their duration. for example, Albedo’s flower if destroyed will lose its elevator function, but will leave a yellow construct that is unbreakable and finish the flower’s duration. same thing with Zhongli’s pillar & Ning’s screen.
- increase the number of geo constructs that can exist at a time on the field from 3 to 6.
- improve Archaic Petra so it’s somehow on par with Viridescent Venenerer. any member of the party should be able to pick up any shard produced by the Archaic Petra carrier and the entire team gets the buff of 4-piece Archaic Petra.
- create a geo + dendro reaction. but since Hoyoverse stupidly pigeonholed dendro to just react directly with hydro, pyro & electro, the remaining way is for geo to react with Dendro Cores. if you hit dendro cores with geo, they could grow up ensnaring vines under enemies and immobilize them. if you hit an ensnared enemy with dendro, you will gain some healing. if hit with geo, you do extra dmg.
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Navia is not gonna save Geo unless the element itself is renovated and mended at its core. Hoyoverse will fix around the mess, but they’ll never fix the mess itself that is Geo. Really sad. After Navia’s banner, Geo will go back under the ground, and will be dead again. ☠️ The only construct that Geo truly ever had is its coffin. ⚰️
@@skyhart9926 xD so true
The problem also lies with claymore characters in general.
True that my boy
Me who got c1 dehya when I didn't even want her from standard and 5050 loss
What i have to say is, geo reaction(crystallize) are horrible but in my opinion that can't make the entire element weak, you can tell me: " oh cryo can reverse melt" or even "amplification reaction are better". For me exist more characters awesome to the other elements than geo, as you can see, kujou sara and BANnet can provide a lot of ATK flat, some times do much damage too and create some particles. You can see too some other elements with much heal, like baizhu, he can buff dendro reaction but heals a lot, or shield, layla are 4 star but she can do the work pretty well, but geo don't have that aptitude to make something to other elements.
Imma go for Navia no matter what,i have all the archons in the game atm i main Traveler and Aloy so i am used to lower dmg anyway and alongside all archons which are all incredibly meta i also have pretty much all the other meta characters anyway like Kazuha,Yelan so on and so forth, i have more meta than i could ever need and there's plenty of time until next archon is released so until then i can afford to "waste" primogems on niche characters that are not meta but i like.
For me its simple if waifu i pull if dude i skip easy as that. I have Raiden and Hutao built rly good so their teams can carry me through any kind of abyss they throw at me so now i can just pull for only thoose i rly want like Dehya who i got and her weap and i was lucky enough to get one copy of her on standard banner and then 1 copy when i lost the 50/50 on furina and at c2 Dehya is pretty solid and for sure she got nerfed since they put her on the standard banner still to this day clueless why they had to put her on standard banner while we already have diluc there they should have added some geo there instead so we would have 1 of each element.....
I feel like Navia will be a strong character in spite of geo, not because of geo. Needless to say, I'll be giving Best Girl the C6, R5, triple-crown treatment she deserves. Charlotte and Furina are locked at 6/6/6 talent level-ups for now because I can't spare even a single narwhal drop for them at the moment.
at least make geo can bypass enemy shield / increase atk pen % when related to shielding (either getting shield, or hitting shield), so the element user can sustain by themselves and not overshadow by other elemental reaction (and maybe we can see that as equal "buff") .
there is no way we are gonna wait for pyro / cryo archon to be a savior of geo element.
to me personally regardless of who the character is, As long as I can make use of them. And I can see myself using them long term. that in itself is worth it to me. Like here's a character I love but doesn't meet these requirements. Yoimiya, Easily my favorite pyro character. But why should I go for her if I know I wont use her. ESPECIALLY when I have hu tao now
bro geos my favorite element. in avatar it was like that too, the power of rocks and earth is just so awesome to me! next is anemo
No matter her elements, I'd still pull for her. Can't change my mind at all
I decided I'll get her when the first drip marketing trailer about Fontaine character released, and after the archon quest I fell for her personality too. I skipped all characters to save primos for her. And as a f2p player who 36 every abyss rotation, I actually don't care about meta now. So getting her is no brainer for me...
Crystalize should give buff according to the element it reacts to:
Pyro:+18% atk, increase atk speed by 10%
Cryo:+15% crit rate, +25% crit dmg
Electro:+20% Er, reduce CD of Elemental skill by 2 sec
Hydro:+20% Hp, and additional +20% Healing bonus
i dont need her to save Geo, i NEED HER
Navia should have been a catalyst
In my endless pursuit to always own every 4-star character I will be pulling on her banner regardless of how good she is. She wouldn't be the first promoted 5-star I end up getting despite no intention of actually building them.
Another thing that I think really damages Geo is the lack of Albedo's BIS for players. With the Cinnabar Spindle locked behind a timed event, players who hopped onto the game afterwards that wish to play a geo team are missing a valuable piece of equipment for one of the core characters in that team. Without that, I feel there's even less of a reason to invest primos in building an all geo team due to knowing you'll never hit the highest damage potential. Hopefully Navia will function well with other elements, and if she does, is not a defense scaler. There aren't any defense buffers other than Gorou, and he doesn't run well with multi-elemental teams.
Im still pulling for her regardless, I love her and have to keep my character collection at 100%.
We really need more strong Geo DPSes. With the element being res shred this, dmg bonus that, and no reactions on top of that, it shocks me that so far, basically our only options have been either Itto or Noelle.
Me, being an Eula main since her release: _"yep, Navia C6R5 let's goooo"_