Dear DICE: How to Fix Jets in Battlefield 2042!
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2023
- DICE has finally committed to some sort of jet rework after making efforts to gather suggestions from the community. In this video I'll go over the best of it all showing DICE how to fix the once beloved jets of Battlefield.
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I think the flyable area should also be increased. Right now, when you are out of combat and turn around, you are already right over the batlefiled and makes it hard to plan your attack
And smaller maps like Flashpoint, you're consistantly within range of a Wildcat AA. If they got a good spot in the middle of the map, you cant get out of range, even past the out of bounds areas
And after playing Ace Combat 7, i really realized how sluggish they are in 2042, its like flying a brick with wings sometimes
And the AGMs really aren't that good. They have very short range, and the lock on time needs you to basically sniff the target to hit them. And the fact that the Nightbird get AGMs is beyond goofy. And dont even get me started on steath helis hovering over tank spawns and bombing them over and over without problem. And it doesn't help that both teams only gets a single plane each
I really love the idea of giving the 2 jet types more or less the same turning rate but making it WAY harder to nail it in the attack jets. That sounds like such an elegant way to balance the two. Great video as always
I think it would be such an amazing solution, if not in 2042 then surely in the next game. Appreciate your feedback in the thread a lot of it made it into this video
The Portal A10 is the only jet in the game that has the proper BF4 chase cam that we all want
Doesn’t the F/A-18 pretty close if not same?
Portal a10 is a legendary work of art compared to the rest of these dodgy ass jets
@@SilkOCE Agreed, but isn’t the F/A-18 and the SU-35 and the SU-25 the same? They feel pretty similar flight model wise.
@@SilkOCE I'd like to see the better Mechanics, since they are bringing selective Portal weapons into the Mix of General Gameplay that is "non" portal related...
The Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik & The UCAV X47-B would be an Appropriate choice to at least give players the sense of 'Bombing' A location.
Lastly, I didn't mention this in the post I made... But... I'd like them to restrict players to spawn vehicles on the roof of the buildings. That could also assist a bit. What are your thoughts?
@@rwandanstarbux1494 no they have the same weird physics like the rest, only the A10 has the better one
Specifically for the jets, I think they also need to extend the aircraft boundaries on some maps.
One of the most jarring things I wish I added to that thread that I forgot about was the difference in sensitivity between roll and pitch; I’ve found that very hard to get used to, but it could just be the pitch delay… thanks for making content on this subject
The amount of animation is certainly more for elevator operations, so it could be a pitch problem.
BF3 has the most realistic jets/Helicopter physics. BF4 turns it up a notch letting you maneuver the jets/Helicopters at increased speeds.
Every memorial day my town has a parade down main st. I go every year just to see the pair of A-10's that do two low altitude passes along the parade route . An awesome sight.
So, I just wanted to point out a fact here. I believe the main issues of Battlefield 2042 Jet gameplay is the following problems. (Experienced Pilot) (Also Paragraph will be at the bottom.)
- Out of bounds in some maps: I believe the reason why Jets are not being utilized enough is space... The Out of bounds are not large enough on some maps, which renders them not entirely useless. But difficult even for the most experienced Pilots. Thankfully, I have managed to learn a little bit about jet gameplay and apply them to skill, as I am able to take out Air vehicles exclusively.
- Balancing: F-35 & SU-75 Felon. Both Aircraft are 6th generation fighters. But they lack the "Sense" of speed, Height and maneuverability even from an Arcade perspective.
Sticking with Balancing, The other major issues are Vehicle Flow. Aircraft should dominate the Sky and have a CAS version ready on standby. This also includes the Classic Number of 2 Aircraft per team, so 2 v 2 can be managed... It worked before the updates, But choices made it lack.
- Weapon Choice. The 25 MM & 30 MM should be useful during Combat. I believe you should be able to "Switch" Weapon times on the Aircraft like you do on a Solider weapon wheel. You have to bring up a Menu, "Using." (T) On Keyboard, then switch to the CAS version. Not only that, it would help the Battlefield make tanks and vehicles more precious... But, Increase the Damage input for the Aircraft to damage Vehicles accordingly. (Example:)
- 25MM - Should be able to damage. "Light Vehicles, AA Vehicles & Other Aircraft" However, The Damage doesn't Affect Heavy Armor much, But still damages them.
- 30MM - This Loadout shreds Heavy, Transport & Light Targeted Vehicles regardless as well Narrow the spread a little more... Because some of the Bullets do not register against the vehicle.
Or there is another option... Develop more Aircraft! Utilize the Fabled Bomber they were going to release... The UCAV X47-B & The Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik. So lets recap:
- Increase the Damage output for jets to be more affective in battle against the better scenario & Utilize Weapons switching for CAS or AA support.
- Add new vehicles that pose threat to vehicles on the ground, instead of giving us Helicopters or ridiculous Transport vehicles.
- Increase the Radius of Out-of-Bounds for Jets to be able to functionally run away from the battlefield and have more space to fly around.
- Increase the Speed & Capability of the Aircraft to respond a little more skill based. Pull too hard, You will end up G-Locking the Aircraft or yourself...
Some good points but "switching" 25mm to 30mm? Yeah that's too arcadey even for battlefield.
Edit: Unless you mean from the menu but it read like you meant using the weapon wheel on the fly like a soldier?
I like these ideas and I agree they should add more vehicles that pone a threat to ground vehicles maybe a drone or a air support like in past battlefield’s ac-130 but I feel like but 25mm should be a gun for jets like low dmg to tanks and other ground targets and 30mm should be for ground targets and shreds aircraft
Perhaps speed control being dependent on altitude would add some additional skill ceiling while countering some simple macros to achieve it. Like 100% turn speed at 313kph between 1-300m altitude, 400kph between 300m to 600m altitude, and 500kph between 600m to skybox altitude. And having the turn speed reduce only small percentages like -2% to -5% when not at the perfect speeds so that it's not a huge advantage but still applicable so that skill will be reflected in the dogfight. This also makes it so that eventual 1 v 1 jet fights would naturally push equal skill fighters to slowly increase altitude away from ground lock on so that they can have their 1v1 in peace near the skybox. Those that can get closer to the skybox without actually stalling end up winning due to faster turn speed. Just a thought
This would be an interesting approach. As long as it works I wouldn't mind
Great video, i have thousands of hours in the skys over battlefield but have never really been an attack jet. I was always a fighter jet. With the removal of the attack jets there now less importance on flying in general. Ive been turned into essentially a point system for repairers in the transport heli. Would be great so see some more of that good ole air squads you used to get in bf4!
I wish they'd bring back the dummy bombs like in BF2. Those were such fun, and a lost art performing, ahehe. And the two seater F15 from that game was pretty great; I miss my co-pilot....
It will be very interesting to see what they'll come up with after all that feedback. I hope they follow a lot of the points you brought up here. And if they needed a refresher, then you just made an excellent video for that. Keep it up!
That's the goal. Make things as easy as possible for them and provide a somewhat experienced take on the responses.
I appreciate your takes on speed control even if they go against the popular opinion. Speed control alone didn't make previous dogfighting great.
As someone who doesn't fly jets and only really watches them played, one thing that tilts me more than it should is the 3rd Person Camera and how horrible it is.
Hahaha especially with chase cam off
The plane gameplay in 2042 feels like Project Wingman if the AOA limiter was permanently stuck on and you deleted half of the game files
It was easy to understand. Thank you Silk.🙂
Thank you for your feedback
love your bf4 jet gameplay
very good feedback!
i started watching you for your bf4 vids
Since it's BF2042.. they can make a "future " version of the A10. Maybe an A-12? Where it's not quite as CAS centric due to the focus on a force on force war between two large countries wouldn't be CAS, at least in the early stages
Something like arma 3's wipeout would be cool
@@SilkOCE The Wipeout is a total meme, and I frickin love it, a stealth A-10 is such a funny concept and it’s a pretty monstrous plane in that game.
I wonder what the Russians will get to pair with an A-10?
I terms of jet flight model and physics imo BFV did it best. The jets feel perfect in that game, aiming feels incredibly natural, wouldn't change a thing. Mechanically speaking they had a LOT of issues but flying itself was great. Praying some people at DICE see this video and take your advice. Agree with pretty much everything
Will you make a video on attack helicopters as well? They need to bring back some of the legacy features from bf3/4 and work on the flight model of those too, especially if jets are getting a buff.
Bf2042 does need a lot of changes to the but yeah a re work to planes would be good , love the video man keep it up
Surprised I didn't hear anything about decoupling jet spawns from heli spawns. Doesn't matter how good they get them if we can't fly them. Battlefield 2042: Twice the players, half the vehicles
They need to bring back the projected reticles we had in BF3 and BF4. That way, we wouldn't have to guess where our own velocity will actually take the rockets and shells.
had some pretty long uninterupted loop type battles in bf4 just circling n circling eachother where neither one of us could get a good enough opportunity to end it. Not sure if it was because we werent skilled enough to get any angle or because we were matched in skill enough to stay out of eachothers sights for that long with neither being able to gain a significant advantage no matter what we tried lol. The odds would go back n forth slightly as we attempted to out maneuver eachother but after about 10minutes and a few mistakes on my part he slowly started gaining on me and was getting closer n closer to closing the loop until we were finally interfered with before there was a clear winner
The a10 cannons would need a nerf, but with the fact it can deal dmg to any level of armor, itd probably be able to stand a loss in power, and it would mean jets sould actually have a little bit more effect on the main battle
Just noticed with the 8:32 strave that I already watched this footage lol
The only fun i have in 2042 is the nightbird, i just had my first game with 0 deaths going 40-0 on ps5 after picking the game up for free. Pretty proud of that
Hey any updates on this? Did they include anything mentioned in this video? I am thinking of buying BF2042 but I am not sure if the jets are so badly designed since I really enjoyed them in previous versions of the game.
We don't need the OP rocket pods jets from BF3 farming the ground all day, or the A10 from BF4 killing everything instantly or any bomber plane from BFV one shotting any ground vehicle and killing a dozen infantry with one bomb. What we need is jets which are much better at killing the damn helis farming the ground all day, everyday.
You actually inspirto ed me fly in the jets again. I just re-downlbattlefieldleifle 3,4 and 2042 again although I need to learn how to bind the keythe s for controller on PC and find people to play with again. But I remember subbing to your channel when you were playing bf4. If DIce want to really fix the jets also I believe that all of the points that were outlined in this video were great points. But one additional criticism is that attract jets and stelth jets need their roles again like in BF3/4 but both can & should be able to turn the tieds of battle. I wish they would get rid of active radar missiles though this is unlikely. I still think BF3 did everything the best but that's just me.
Man, I am happy to see back to your roots in the best attack jet ever made
Could you possibly try to use the A10 in DCS I would luv too see you do that
I wouldn't mind
silk what is your dpi for bf4?
well, your dpi setting in general
1600
@@SilkOCE thanks mate, been a follower since bfv , gotta appreciate u for all the hours of entertainment and teaching on jets u give through these vids
They need to rework all frying vehicles.
Just make them like bf4 or bf3.
Back when they actually had velocity to them.
I tried flying Helis and they aren’t absolutely terrible but man they just float around like they were designed for babies to fly lol.
If I flip sideways I should basically fall straight to the ground not slowly fall.
I don't think they should add the A-10 and SU-25, though. Find new vehicles to add but they don't fit the setting, being 65 year old designs at that point, which is practically ancient for aircraft aside from the B-52. The Warthog has been getting phased out for years because while it could get by in the asymmetrical warfare of the GWOT where America had uncontested air supremacy, it would get slaughtered in any near-peer fight (not that Russia being near-peer is any sort of realism these days). Same largely goes for the SU-25. You can only modernize an airframe so much and even then, the planes themselves would be way past the end of their service life.
There's still a role to fill but Dice can find other aircraft to fill it that fit thematically. The A-29 was picked not long ago by the USAF and while a prop plane, could fill the niche nicely.
Add my gawldamn FLIGHT STICK controls back!! 🤣🤣
Love to see bf 4 again
Haven't touched the game since it came out. I'm glad I haven't. Guess I'll be stuck of bf4 for a couple more years.
watching you play bf4 and talk about wanting changes to the jets makes me think you just want to be op again.
Bf2 never had any speed control and dfs was a lot of fun. It had more camera angles though. And no radar in bf2.
@battlefield please listen to this man!
Well if you get killed by the nightbirds gun in 3 seconds, but it takes you 3 strafes to do some damage on on heli, something is wrong. They should think more about fun dogfighting like in BFV and BF1, now the only thing you can do if annoy vehicles with the lock on rockets. Or get sniped by the TOR tank :)
You can actually one pass a nightbird it's just hard
Return of solid jets means better helo countering and less infantry frustration
In what level do you unlock jets in 2042
But it’s DICE they’re not changing air vehicles where good pilots can have a super high kd because they hate pilots
They should also start reworking tanks. They are not fun to play with. They should remove the turret speed and increase the rotation speed of tanks.
I can't unlearn to press the brake when diving down
Give us fov controls in first person jet view. A10 radars should show what f35 radar sees when they are close enough. The f35 has this kind of radar communication in real life.
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Still using sweetFX Silk or it's some Geforce Experience sharpening filter?
That's sweetfx
Imho just enough to make the jets physics identical to bf4. But I'm not sure the new physics will improve dogfighting in 2042. I never liked df at 60hz because the rams.I'm afraid of a similar situation in 2042
Fix Jet Ramming. Getting Rammed in a Helo by a Jet and they fly off just fine makes me wana smash my screen.
The first thing the aim feel relly bad like it attached to vehicle aim and that is not accurate at all because if you run low sensitive you can have your jet turning as fast and another thing they feel floating they have to get back rate bring back the a10 and change the physics back old way like battlefield 3 or 4 jdm rocked pod and speed controll back
If 2042 wanna stick with the one type of jet gameplay similar to bf3 then at least give the f35 more options than just the laser guided. Rocket pods, jdams and much more can be used as a way to dunk on ground targets. The flight model def needs a complete rework because rn dogfighting is just turning and turning and turning and no winners as long as you hold afterburner. The last thing I think that needs addressing is the gun feel. Bf3 by far for me the guns actually punch hard and feels really good when you shoot it and bf4 following behind. Bf2042 the guns feels emm…. Weak. It doesn’t hit as hard as what previous games did so they need to rework that. Also I felt like they can just implement bf3’s jet gameplay since it was pretty much god tier for me.
Can we just all agree that we were supposed to get the best of bf3 and bf4 and instead we got none of it. Give the jets JDAMs and the capacity to delete the Condor, Little Bird and Fat Pigeon heli. Theres no way the game needs another infantry farming air vehicle. Also the flight arena is ridiculously slow, you sometimes need to make 3 passes before you can actually see anything
How about fixing the soldier movement physics. Movement input delay is still bad .
*Not Bruce lees grand bub here* dude… seriously impressed on your piloting skills❤️ love to team up with ya on bf4 someday… very confident in my reconnaissance skills via spotting targets and laser painting enemy armor🙏🏼 have a 3rd man in an anti aircraft vehicle tagging along with me staying close by… basically he’s always keeping an eye on you in case an enemy pilot gets lucky and tails your six o clock while your bombing targets I’m laser painting… swat him straight out the sky so you can stay in the air worse comes to worse lol f$&@ it… why not put 2 more ppl in a tank about 100m or so out from me and the AA acting as artillery with combined firepower of 2nd guy on the tank turret too engaging armor and light infantry…. Be the perfect 5 man squad🙏🏼💯☯️😈
Oh f*ck, you're gonna make me play BATTLEFIELD 4 again!
As long as there is railgun tank, ther's not much jets can do.
Just literally copy the portal Warthog physics. There you go
If the changes that you reccomended end up coming to life in 2042, the game will suck for everyone who doesnt play jets. Even though being a good pilot isnt harder than being good at infantry, you automatically get twice as many kills being a pilot cuz planes fucking blow
they just need to make every air vehicle like BF4, BF4 was basically perfect
Bf3 dogfighting, that was peak for me; sad i didnt get into it earlier to get the 100 stars of service
The aliment and the missile 127 mm is same for helicopter the attack helicopter missile are not aline at all use the attack helicopter alot because jet are so bad and attack helicopter the same way with the aliment
Some of the Expdus Conquest maps have 2 Jets and 2 Transport helis?? And the maps are super small even for 1 jet. DICE is incompetent. Even the newest map barely has the airspace for jets
We need more new jets
That'll probably happen
I feel like the f35 is so boring compared to the A10. Although the A10 has an over powered cannon atleast it contributes to the battlefield. The f35 is really only capable of air to air combat versus in bf3 the f18 was both air to air and air to ground capable. I think that offered so much for her gameplay. I’ve loved battlefield for their jets, and ww2 planes but the current state of jets jn 2042 is extremely depressing given the amount of hundreds of hours I’ve spent in the cock pits of previous titles.
Gemini899 has beat your record btw.
Thirst. Plenty of other things to fix first, all vehicles should choose between counters and repair on the same slot and the wildcat needs to move to it's own spawn slot.
The sentinel needs to have a cooldown.
Impressive. Every word in your sentence was wrong.
@@lI-MASSEL-Il que est le contraire
Dice isnt gonna take in any of this watch 🤣 but we can hope... i doubt it though they broke so many things that didnt need fixing and now do.... certain gameplay mechanics i just have no hope for
im a big fan of 2042 for the most part. But after watching videos like this,. its as if the community is basically doing the research & leg work for DICE devs.
Yet its either falling on death ears or taking ages for it to be taken serious and actually implementing issue fixes. such a odd turn out for a game franchise as big as this.
Unfortunately as pilots we are second class citizens in the eyes of DICE. Especially since this new class of Battlefield player that has been sculpted by the relatively new direction of 2042 hate vehicles.
Silk, don't distrgard BF1's planes. Battlefield 1 has some of the best dogfighting in the franchise, without the need for learning the mind numbing speed control. Don't name it in the same vein as Battlefield 5, which was actually terrible. Check out iDF-NoOne's channel to see what BF1's planes are capable of.
I disagree with your take that speed control should be 308-113 all the same turning rate. I think that should be a much wider range, enough so that you'd never need to be checking the cockpit for your speed, you can just eye it. Speed control is not a key element of a fun dogfight. 280 - 330 I think should all have tight turns. Maybe even wider. Speed can be an interesting factor in a dogfight and shouldn't be that tied to loop radius.
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Dice out there just Herp-A-Derp-ing their way to being forgotten. I want to hope that having been well and truly self-pwned, they'll come back swinging with the next installment...
But one more battlefield game that's a laughingstock like 2042 and the games are going to start dying on release, sub 5,000 players at peak just 1-2 months after release like all the other thoroughly mediocre multiplayer games around that launch with a squelch and disappear instantly.
How the mighty have fallen...
Not just jet...... Every vehicles just wrong in bf2042.Every
circle aim is so bad in bf2042 i want to old aim
I hope they don't fix jets and we wouldn't have one more problem in 2042
They are gonna fix it, LOOOOOOL
@@jasrajsandhu1658 no they wont
you know you did a piss poor job developing your game when something needs to be completely reworked in every single aspect to even be considered decent....
BF2042 simply is a Console-Title and a BAD PC-Port. At least when you watch the poor controlls (KBD/M) and the lack of a useable menusystem this assumption would make sense.
Jets are just a bad thing in bf in general IMO
Again you're ego yourself spreading a bit of a no sense. A said your opinion on the jet rework "which I agree with most of your words" how can you mention something about your record that hasn't been broken yet when the game mode you played and set the 87 kill game doesn't even exist anymore!, 128 player Breaktrough is long gone and you know what else is gone? ( ofc you know ) Jet in Breaktrough a game mode that lasts twice as long as a normal conquest game, like and I'm sure many people don't even know that back then the game had nearly double the amount of vehicles you could spawn/farm with AGM, and that is not all, your record of 87 kills was broken by a console player after a few months (youtube source), and the fact that it was on the controller shows how OP the AGM reload time was back then on Breaktrough.
Now with that being said can we stop talking about meaningless game passing them off as *WORLD RECORD* if the game itself isn't even replicable anymore?, do you really think boomering up and down a Tank with AGM is some how all it takes to make a WORLD RECORD? and no one else could replicate that? are you kidding me
I was just going off something Von sent me the other day of all the gamemodes and their respective records, according to this it's the highest:
Breakthrough 128 (B4 Removal)
Silk - 87
VonRuhm - 85
Cope - 67
Breakthrough 64 (B4 Air Removal)
Gemini899 - 77
VonRuhm - 73
Conquest 128:
Gemini899 - 85
VonRuhm - 80
ZootedRx - 76
LukeSkyfarmer - 58
Cope - 56
Exodus Conquest:
VonRuhm - 79
ZootedRx - 70
Obviously KPM should be considered as well and for that reason my match over a year ago isn't all that impressive. Anyways, my point was that if there was a large skill gap for 2042 jets, this record would be easily beaten in every single gamemode. E.g. BF4 jets at release were insanely OP but people still reached bigger games after the nerfs due to a high skill ceiling.
At the end of the day, records don't really mean much after the conditions become unobtainable. 1v1s and comp is way more representative of skill.
@@SilkOCE this aged well.... lol.
@@stressreliefriding6849 it bothered lil bro so much he made his own cheat to beat it LMAOOO
There's so many bad mechanics in this game that I'd rather them just pour the development time in to the next title. 2042 is a dead game on PC for all intents and purposes. Just want Dice to learn their lesson, don't develop game for 11 exclusively for 12 year olds and dont balance mechanics around your worst players, and move on.
BF4 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Oh wait! Does anybody still play that trash? lol
Just say u want to destroy this company because it's not woke enough 😂
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