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- Stick Welding Super Thin Sheet Metal Welding Thin Metal. In this episode my grandson broke the handle off a piece of garden furniture so I decided to see if I could repair it using stick welding. This is the thinnest metal that I have ever tried welding using a stick welder. The material we are welding is 22 gauge (.64 mm) and we weld it to thicker piece of metal using 1/6" (1.58 mm) 6013 welding electrodes.
We all know that MIG or TIG welding is a great process on thin metal, but for you folks that have a stick welder, this repair can be done, and this is how I did it.
I hope you enjoy this video.
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Excellent job. This is one way to save the planet for future generation , by minimizing trash and fixing things up and reusing them. Thank you for being aware of environment.
Thanks buddy I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I love to recycle. Its fun putting things to new uses. Fixing stuff is fun and rewarding.
Thanks its good that someone is actually doing projects as these, cause truth be told we do more welds on thin materials around the house with limited resources. Best video by far
Thanks buddy! I appreciate your kind words and support!
AS a DIYer, I had a big problem with thin tubing myself and searched the net and finally in a 7 year old post on reddit I found a clue to the solution. using a fat 3/32 7018 filler rod with the flux hammered off. The poster didn't say what rod to use for the arc. If I used 3/32 7018 I got globs of metal so I switched to a skinny 1.6 mm 6013 for the arc and cranked the amps up to 250 because I don't like it sticking. Low and behold - the best weld any DIYer could ever hope for in a single pass!
There are very few educational videos that I watch entirely without fast- forwarding, yours are one of them. I loved your practicality and rational on using the available resources!
This is probably one of the best compliments a CZcams creator can receive. Thank you very much. Im honored! 🙏👍
Just got around to watching this, Brandon, and this works great!!! The technique of concentrating the weld pool to the thicker metal which in turn accepts a lot of the heat, is really good for us!!! Thanks!!!
Glad it helped!
Great video as usual.You would be surprised to learn that in South Africa we mostly use the 1/16 or 1.6mm thick square tubing for the frames of safety doors, using 2.5mm welding rods.I'm so used to a few blowouts, but in one of your previous videos I learned about DC - and DC + and now I have no more blow outs.When using 2mm thick square tubing I have no blowouts.Thanks again for great info and the way you present your info.
That's awesome Henry! I'm glad I could help! Cheers buddy!
@@BrandonLund Keep them coming Brandon.
H Brandon, great job. I think that giving a second chance to those objects that make us feel in home, it's just great.
Well done.
Blessings.
I think so too Antonio, be blessed brother!
You are definitely spot on! MIG is great, but the price gap between the crappy ones and the good ones is absolutely insane, add the price of gas to that and I personally feel like I would need to weld MUCH more than I do today to defend buying one. SMAW on the other hand is dirt cheap and even non-brand ones have alot of bells and whistles these days. Not to mention you do not have to store pressurized gas in your home.
Thanks man! I'm a huge fan of smaw anyways. Mig is nice but it has its place...plus its difficult to use it outside.
Great. Exactly fit my situation has the man of the family.
Thanks Jean and I'm glad it helped 😊
Thank you sir..... three weeks into stick welding.... your videos are very helpful...... purchased a mig/flux-core/stick machine.....based on your info.... a stick machine is all I needed👌👍
Thanks Daniel! Glad I could help!
Awesome, I just started welding this week. Bought a Arc Welder from Lowes to weld two different thickness steel for my ATV exhaust. 22 gauge on to 14 gauge. I got it done but wish I saw your video 1st. I came to the same conclusion after blowing a hole, heat the thick and bleed it to the thin. Thanks for the videos, starting to watch them all!
Thanks man and congratulations on your purchase! I appreciate you stopping by. I have tons of videos which most are all geared towards beginner welders with lots of fabrication tips. I hope you enjoy!
Hey Brandon, an oldy but an goldy, I've enjoyed it and it looks good and it works, that was the question and is the answer. Nice boy your grandson Colton, greetings and see you later
Thanks buddy I appreciate it! @christianbos1691
wow !! this was a great help for me, I had difficulty welding to thin steel, which was then resolved. thank you brother
Glad I could help!
Great video. Please more thin metal stick welding. Thank you
Your heat should be directed to the thicker metal and allow the puddle to just kiss the thinner material.
Exactly.
@@BrandonLund was going to say the same.... it's what you did!
@@iainmel1I'm guessing he he missed that part of the video when I was explaining the technique. I know a lot of people who watch just fast forward or skip sections so that's probably what happened.
@@BrandonLund at 6:25-7:00 your rod is angled toward the thinner gauge materials. He is saying you should be mostly focusing the arc at the 3/16th plate and just letting the puddle wash onto the thin gauge and you wouldn't be burning through
Did I not say to focus the arc on the thicker plate?
Two things I try to do when welding thin metals is, I usually place the welding metals on some type thicker aluminum backer plate to help control blow through and heat, and I also work from the thickest material unto the thinnest for the weld puddle to make blow through a lot less. But as with most everything, practice makes perfect...well maybe...
Excellent tip Gary!
Do you mean you kind of use the the aluminum backer plate like a heatsink to spread the heat from the welding spot?
@@_TheDudeAbides_ Odd I just happen to see your question while watching other videos. When you weld steel materials you use MIG wire feed welding or TIG with filler rods or even Stick welding with welding rods to fill in the joints. But neither of those will weld Aluminum, brass or copper. So using an aluminum backer plate seems to stop blow throw and allows the filler material to fill the holes or seams. Aluminum also conducts heat extremely well and therefore also assist filling the holes and seams. It work amazingly well. And if you are welding aluminum, you can equally use a steel backer plate to help fill the aluminum holes and seams because aluminum filler material will not weld onto steel. Try it, it works both ways.
Exactly!
Brandon,here's a tip for you,when you burn the rod (excellent choice btw),focus the main puddle on the thicker metal and let the side of the puddle "wet" the thinner metal,in this way,you focus most of the heat outta the thinner metal but you still get fusion between,try that way and thank me later !
Sounds like a good plan
Nice job using a stick welder. I have done a many jobs using a SMAW. I have a welder that should be in a museum as the welder is a toroidal transformer type. Duty cycle says continuous 1 1/2 hours 50 percent after.They would never offer that type of duty cycle today for sure. 120 240 volts, with amps settings from 10 amps by 5 amps increasing on low side, total top end 290 amps. On 120 you can go up to 180 amps increments of five and 240 increments of 10 amps. I have welded just about any metal you can think of with all being a success. This old workhorse was made in the 1948. forget the name. Compact size with a weight of 140 pounds. You have to really eat your wheaties for breakfast to carry this bear.
Thanks! 100% duty cycle that's crazy, but then again back in the day they built stuff to last and to perform. Unlike much of the disposable things built today.
@@BrandonLundI could not say it better myself. Just love to take out the antique rod burner and go to town. Good day to you Brandon too.
I have just begun, as a hobby, and was trying different ways to weld thin to thick. Now I am more confident. thank you.
Glad i could help! Thanks for watching!
In the begining with gauge problem, you just proved how superrior metric sistem is
Touche'
No lol, lots of this kind of thing is often made from left over / reject steel that doesnt conform to a size. Even a metric gauge probably didnt have the size of this steel
@@n2n8sda Just the fact that the gauge have to use different units should be enough reason to use the metric system. That steel is X mm thick, and it would be easy to find out how many with a caliper. Instead of jumping between 1/8" and 14 gauge.
I noticed your tool didnt have 12 gauge .105
Even the English do not use the English system of measurements.
Great job. I like the way you tried going mostly into the thick metal and letting the pool wash up onto the thin stuff. For your next trick I want to see you weld a Butterfly's Wing onto a Diet Pepsi can... in a windstorm.
Hahahahaha I love it! Thanks brother! 👍
Phenomenal welding skills. Great tips for gluing thick to thin. I will try using DCEN more for thin metal (for me, that's 1/8" with 1/8" 6011). My current project: a roof rack for my car. Stick welding, sadly, is going to be self taught because of the pandemic. Thankfully, excellent video instruction like this can only help. (and lots of practice!)
Thanks Jeffrey. 6011 was one of the first rods I learned to weld with. It is very hard to get a nice looking bead as compared to a 7018 rod. Once your able, grab some 6013 for thin metal. You will love it compared to 6011. It flows much nicer and doesn't blow through as easy. Enjoy your project and stay safe. 😁
The key element is your vision,you must distinguish (in the puddle) the molten metal from the foamy cellulose molten slag that has a bad habit to cover the metal puddle,and you barely realize when the slag rushes the metal,need more amps so the arc blow away the slag,but must find the thin balance there....good luck :-D
Very good video for those only have stick welding
Thank you @AWAD JUMAN
Stick is about the easiest in all fairness.
Good job.
I agree! Thanks :)
Nice job the cart looks great again...This is a good one to practice for car bodywork repairs (even with MIG)
@Talabavin Rohan thanks man!
Thank you so much for making this video. I don't usually comment but I'm in the UK with a very cheap stick welder and a few hours of "self taught practice". I was struggling to weld really thin sheet to.... Really thin sheet. I understand my mistake now. I've not seen any other CZcams videos of stick welding 16th sheet. You did way better than I did.
Thanks Jason! I appreciate your kind words. Glad I could help. I have some more thin metal welding videos coming so be sure to check back. Its not easy but with some practice you will continue to get better. Stay safe - Brandon
@@BrandonLund I agree with Jason plus I probably didn't do as well as Jason. In some of your upcoming videos, It would be great to have some suggested practice routines.
Lol, love that "grinder and paint what the Welder ain't".
LOL I worked in the trades for many years so you hear all sorts of expressions. One that I really like to say around painters and carpenters "caulking is what the carpenter isnt"
@@BrandonLund Hahaha, never heard that one, but I absolutely employ it, lol. I'm really good at doing neat caulking jobs. It's similar to what is also said about paint and plaster, "that it can cover a multitude of sins".
I like it! 👍 🤣🤣🤣
Really appreciate the glove/shirt tip.
You bet!
I really appreciate your videos. I like how you keep it real and the pacing is incredible. I am not the biggest welder in the world and being only exposed to SMAW I am watching a lot of videos seeking information and busting myths I have in mind so that I can venture off and gain better control over the fine motor skills needed for welding. Your videos satisfy my technical thirst so I can just focus on the other part the practical. Thanks Brandon. You earned a new subscriber
Thanks man! I really appreciate your kind words and support!
good info .. thanks
Your welcome :)
Really good info. I rarely have any success stick welding any thinner than 1/8th inch but I always use thicker rods.
Thanks man! Yah, the smaller rods make a big difference.
Thanks for your video ,good lesson
Thanks brother!
Excellent Brandon I love this home grown diy jobs for amateurs like me. I'm an office worker but from watching vids like yours I scored myself a cheap stick welder and now experimenting on all sorts of fun projects. Im rebuildin a motorbike with rusted out exhaust so would appreciate anything you have in this area as i seem to make more holes than repairing them but its a hole lotta fun!!
Thank you and I'm glad I could help! Is your stick welder an inverter welder? This winter I will be working on some custom exhaust which will have some pointers too. Dont get discouraged by burning through. Welding exhaust is extremely difficult to do with stick. Your not alone. You might want to check out my beginner welding series playlist. There is one video in particular czcams.com/video/jj7uCglBFAc/video.html where I test polarity on 4 different pieces of metal. This should help too. Thanks for your support and great comment!
@@BrandonLund Cheers mate I'm pretty resilient (wife calls me stubborn) so will definitely keep at it. Pretty sure my cheap as welder is not inverter says 140amp 240v transformer arc welder and only cost me $120NZ. I have been practicing on al sorts of scrap material so much fun even as I mostly make mistakes but that's how we learn eh! Really appreciate the vids and will keep an eye out for your upcoming projects. Cheers Lyon
Thanks. Welding thin metal is a great skill. Many welding machines don’t go below 20 amps ( Hobart Stick, Miller thunderbolt) I had a Hobart Handler Mig that went down to 20-25 Amps and it was hard to keep it from burning through thin stuff.
Great point!
Good job man as always.
I never found a welding channel trying to weld something thinner than 1/16" 1.6mm, i think they never heard about stick welding 1mm, 0.8mm and 0.5mm.
Thanks for sharing your experience, have a nice day.
Thanks man! I tried finding it also and I couldn't find it. As far as I can tell, this is the thinest yet. It is for me anyways.
@toolan talal which is a shame because stick welders are awesome, and like Brandon mentioned in the video they are accessible to many DIYers. I am actually going to have to repair a plastic bracket that broke in my pantry by fabricating a part from 1/16" sheet metal. And will give my stick welder a try thanks to this video!
Good work Brandon. I've managed to attach very thin steel a few times by starting the weld on the thicker steel and gently "teasing" the edge of the weld onto the thin steel. Thin to thin I think would be difficult but one might find a way of doing it
Great tip! We are going to be doing that (or trying to) in an upcoming episode!
NICE JOB, , when I was a bodyman. in the 60s. Rather than oxy/acetylene, I used a DYNAMIC 20-40-60-80 amp. 110v arc welder with 1/16" 6013 to weld sheet metal without warping the metal, before mig. came to the mainstream. 😃😃😃
Keeping the metal cool is the thing !!!
Right on! Its not as easy as it looks but with practice works well :)
Looks good to me for what it serves. Didn’t know they made 1/16 rods. Now I know, thanks.
-Pidge
Hey Pidge! Thanks man!
Friend of mine has rod that is like 1" in diameter and about 4 feet long. He said they used to weld with them standing up at some insane amperage.
You just saved me from quitting welding for good, and probably giving my welding machine to somebody or throwing it, I was desperate to learn welding for long time, and today I welded somehow my daughter's small bicycle that broke which was both sides thin like your thinnest piece, it got full of holes but held up somehow, now I had even thicker sticks, couldn't find 1/16 and bought 5/64 (2mm with my units) and break was like ripped it was nowhere flat nor straight, and to make it worse, my machines min amp is 60. Palm face.
P.S. Edited from now on, I'm not watching anymore welding tutorials, beginner nor professional ones, I'm sure I now enough for what I need.
Well I'm glad you got your daughters bike fixed and I'm sure she is happy also. Take care and thanks for watching.
Nice repair. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! @Guillermo Nieri
I did a similar weld on the rip in the front panel of a tent trailer turned into a utility trailer but I used 1/6 440 stainless rods and it still holding . so yes you can stick weld thin metal .
Nice job man!
and let me tell you that you r are looking so young , and its hard to believe that you are a grandfather also :)
Thanks Amir! He helps keep me young
@@BrandonLund Yes you are right, We love childs and our love gets multiply for grand childs:)
What a handsome, happy Grandson! Show him this in 10 years! He'll become a Fabricator par Excellence...
Thanks man I appreciate it!
Great repair
Thanks man!
Beetle crawling by with other beetle looks up and says “holy crap will you look at that weld? One side is not pretty but the other side
Makes me want to be a welder!”
🤔 🤔 beetles dont have hands 😮
Kids....Gotta Love em.
I know right!
I hope this would help my basic welding skills in finishing my diy gandola....thanks for sharing....God bless...
Thank you and God bless
I finished my roof rack. It was easy compared to the next job: repairing a long-handled dustpan where the handle got crimped. I cut the crimp out of the 20 gauge tubing and taped the tubing, used a 6013 1/16" stick and almost immediately blew through at 30 amps. I dropped the current to the lowest (20) my box could offer and it was almost as hot, but by severely limiting the time I had the arc on the tubing, I got the weld done after a few tacks. I even filled out the blown out area. Definitely the time of my life behind a welding helmet!
Thin metal.is tough but it really teaches you patience and let's you feel how the arc works. Great job brother!
CZcams found this video for me...It was very timely... It just proved to me that I was crazy for trying to stick weld a thin metal shelf...
The shelf material was thinner than what you have here (by a LOT)...
I'm glad I could help 😁
Fun stuff. Thanks.
Thanks!
mate, i've only got a shitty little stick set and i knock stukk up all the time ... i blow the shit out of the thin stuff and spend most of my time filling in holes!! next time i have a project i'll video it and post it somewhere! you inspired me !! lol thanx mate! keep it up!
Thank you so much! I appreciate your support!
You're dead right - I'm watching this video on welding thin metals because my resources are limited and can't afford a mig. Cheers!
We do what we have to do. Theres no shame in that brother!
Nice one
Thanks man!
Thank
Thank you!
Other way to weld super thin metal is the "texas tig" method. You use other stick rod as a filler and melt both together. And use higher amps. There are a lot of videos on the CZcams. Keep up the good work my friend.
Thsnks man I appreciate the tip!
Making it work using what you have. Pointing the heat to the thicker metal; clean and shiny is a good beginning. Bonus: your grandson will be welding soon...😎
Thanks Deborah! It won't be long :)
Very good!!!
Thank you!
Great video Brandon
Thanks brother!
down to earth and sensible…great video, man!
@J W Dickinson I appreciate that! Thank you!
That's a cool job.
Thanks!
I love blue demon welding products, I use them for all my wire and rods
I agree. It's my go to welder. I love it!
Thank you so much sir for deeply guide
Most welcome
thank you!
Thanks J 5ive!
Great job good repair, I believe the same as you have a go at trying to fix something before you throw away and it came out better than before 👍👍
I’ve learned so much from you, thank you so much Brandon
Thanks Ruben!
Good comments mate thanks
Thank you!
Good job!
Thanks!
Oh my God he is so cute!!!
Thanks Fred! Hes a keeper :)
Thanks for the great little video Brandon, and there are some real wise words in the end regarding trying to fix and improve what you have, instead just mindlessly throw it away and waste some more money.
You bet! Thanks for the great comment and I appreciate you watching!
We use 1/8 and 3/32 on 16 gauge steel for shipping container repair all the time. Roof patches are usually second passed with a 7014. Just saying it isn’t that hard to do . We commonly weld 100’ a day on the thin rusty Corten-b steels.
I adore that little 160sti you have. Hopefully I dont have to covet and be content with my own recent score. A vintage sears craftsman ac dual range 240v arc welder. and cart, a bunch of rods and tools and an extension cord all for 125 bucks.
It's a nice unit but you got yourself a great deal too!
I think your toe needs adjusting lol
Great vid..
It does! LOL Thanks man!
I totally trust you,,,,,,Yup, it's not pretty! Another great video guy. I'm sold on small 6013 as with your other videos as well. I'm hittin' the Harbor for some soon.
@Matt Cero thanks again buddy! It's good stuff! I don't use it often but when I need it it's priceless. Thanks brother!
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks. You helped me weld CAT back. 😄
Glad I could help Daniel! How does it sound?
@@BrandonLund Roaaar groaaar woooouh. In fact in can hear turbo now, but not so much to annoy anybody. Thanks man!
@@Fosgen NICE! Enjoy brother!
Great video very helpful.. i think i would also take the opportunity to put a hinge and a axle pivot on it .
Good call!
Nice very helpful
Thanks!
If u have mig.. it so cool.. because i want learn..
Check out my beginner welding series playlist. All kinds of information in there. Cheers!
love for your grandson he is cute :)
Thank you very much!
Nice job Sir
So nice of you!
Thanks for your video! I DO have a MIG, but it's such a mongrel to set up that I actually prefer to use the arc welder ... and I needed to see this! Goodonya, mate!
Thanks man!
I once welded 2 1/4 exhaust pipe with 1/8 6011 with a ac buss box set at 50 amps I mitered all the joints and downed handed the welds.
Nice job buddy! Exhaust is difficult with stick...especially with 6011. I've done it a few times and its always difficult. As you pointed out, downhand is key.
Nice, just paint the heck out of it and nobody will know, it still looks better than most welds here in the PI. But more importantly the Big Boss in the house will be happy.
And if the Boss is happy, everyone is happy! 😂 🤣🤣
@@BrandonLund Point on Brother.
Thks broo.. baby so funny
Thanks man! 🙏👍😁
Thanks for making this. I may try to buy a cheap used welder at some point to make some things. I have just realized I may have to go for a stick, perhaps it is doable and affordable.
It sure is. Its one of the first processes i started with.
Get a budget DC 150amps and you will be good to go for a good while,beside the sparks burning your skin,it will be fun aswell ;-)
Awesome
Thanks for watching!
Indeed, mig welding would have been wonderful but no one's going to have one at home because for me I weld occasionally only when things break down
Great vid, would love to see someone weld exhaust pipe with arc though
Thank you! It's been a while since I've welded up exhaust with stick, it's hard, but it can be done. I might have to give it a try for old time sake.
Easy, 2 mm 6013 electrode, put a line if full penetration tacks along the joint, then deslag, repeat the tacks overlapping the previous ones until the joint is filled, grind off the ripples to tidy it up. I've done this on 1 mm tube.
I've been just starting to learn on a cheap stick machine one some super thin tubing that I have laying around and I just seem to be blowing through it
6013 is really good on thin metal @jack of all
Ever gas weld with oxygen and acyteline? People think it burns hot but it is actually the least heat of all welding processes and it's really good for thin metal they used to weld cars all the time that way
Thats one of the first processes I learned on. Oxy fuel brazing in new floor boards on a 70 Chevy pickup. I later did a chop top with brazing. Thanks for watching Matt
Yea it's a great process just slow and no its welding its brazing if you're doing it to cooper or non ferrous metals
"like to" lol
No, I'm too poor to afford a MIG welder and my stick welder was gifted to me (:
Great video though.
You can do a lot with stick! It's my favorite process!
@@BrandonLund definitely! Much more versatile than people give it credit for.
I agree completely!
@@BrandonLund also has the power to penetrate rust and the 6013's flux combine with it and clean up the metal puddle,just need some more amps,also the same related to paint,sticks have the power to burn trough rough dirty materials and still get a good fusion and penetration,almost nothing can beat the strength of a stick weld at this level,only MAG high power&deposition rate can burn trough dirty metal but on a bigger scale and not so consistent,the 7018 is the best rod to beat the dirt&paint but from 4mm up...below 4mm metal,6013 rod is the choice to go,just practice,will not be a pretty weld but it will be a little stronger than other methods without cleaning possible...good luck !
That little guy sure seemed quilty,😂😂😂
Lol he sure did! Hehehe
Instead of buying a new one it would be a waste of chance to make a video. Thanks for doing this!
Thank you very much!
Wow that kid is cute.
Thanks!
Wldve took one of those 1/16 rods, broke all the flux off and used it as a filler metal.
That method is very good on thin to thin metals,he got the advantage of having a thicker metal in this job,but must practice more and try different approach to that type of job.
I just burned through my work piece really bad...sob sob.(This is my first time welding though) Seems like I have to learn this new skill
Do yourself a favor and get some 1/4" scap and just start running beads. Thin metal is challenging for most and it is double hard if your doing it and never welded before. I think you will get the hang of it a lot quicker if you start out with thicker material.
@@BrandonLund thanks for the advice. I will do it. Also, i ordered a auto darkening helmet. Hope that helps!
@@VIDEOEPPO your welcome and your going to love the auto darkening helmet!
Oxygen and acetylene with metal sodering wire rod. Works for me every time. But nice to see this great gob. Thanks.
Cool, thanks. That is one of my favorite processes.
Brazing might have worked nicely for that too I think. Lower temp and filling the uneven gaps.
Brazing is awesome! That's the first process I learned on. Welding in floor pans and I even chopped a 70 chevy and brazed the top back on. I got pretty good but it's been a while a long time but I love brazing
Color coordinated. Love it
It was an accident...honest 😉🤣🤣🤣