Tudor v Rolex | Submariner or Tudor GMT
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
- By request from one of my viewers, I have given a brief overview of the qualitative differences between the Rolex Submariner and the Tudor Black Bay GMT. Which is better? Well it's not that simple.
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Thanks for the excellent presentation. I am a professional, in my 60’s, and own many Rolexes, including a couple of different Rolex GMT’s. In the last decade, I have been more interested in Tudors, and bought a Tudor GMT. I feel it’s more useful GMT, since it has twice the depth rating and attainable. I know I’m not alone.
The fact that the Tudor GMT is attainable makes it much more useful because you can buy it, wear it, and use the bloody thing.
You’re 100% not alone. I love my Tudor, the fact that I walked into the AD, with no history, and walked out with a phenomenal watch that same very day is all you need to know. Plus, I am also a professional in my 40s and I’m fortunate enough to make a decent living however that living doesn’t afford me the ability to play 6 or 7 times the cost of the Tudor black bay gmt for a Master II.
@@ml6008 I have the Tudor BB GMT also. I love it. I’m done with the Rolex roller coaster. I’m going to buy a JLC or IWC next.
@@lewisjones3345 I’ve been eying off the spitfire or the new MK XX. That’s a nice watch for a very reasonable price.
Everything about the Tudor is appealing to me. I have the BB all stainless w date complication. Tudor in house mechanism is great. I also prefer, the shape of the case, profile of crystal and bezel, matte dial, the snowflake hands, coin edge of bezel, and font on the bezel.
Like many others I tried to join the queue for a Submariner , despite buying an Oyster Perpetual months ago, it couldn’t even make the list. I was gifted the Tudor GMT as a wedding anniversary present , and I have to say I absolutely love it . It fits perfectly and is very comfortable ( of course that’s personal dimensions) but I’m really enjoying it . I’d encourage anyone to go and physically try one on , at far less than half the price, and the fact you can actually walk out with one, it’s worth a try
Great gift. Its our 25th anniversary next year. I live in hope …..
@@TheEnglishWatch well good luck , it was mine . I’ve not actually worn any other of my watches since I got it . The others weren’t as expensive, but nice all the same , but it does feel really well made . I wouldn’t turn down a black Pelagos either . That looks so nice in the flesh so to speak with the matte bezel 👍
As the owner of both the Sub and the Tudor BB58, I’d take the Tudor anyday. No that the Sub (or Rolex in general) are bad…they are not….BUT pound for pound, dollar for dollar, Tudor presents the best value proposition available.
Thanks for the video!!! Just bought my BB GMT S & G and I’m already loving it!!!
Great video 👍 I love my tudor gmt and it a keeper 😀
Good in depth review of the aesthetics, and the photography is good, giving the viewer an excellent insight into how the watches look and wear. 👏
Thanks for your entertaining videos! Your content is such high quality, I'm sure you will soon reach 10k subscribers or even more! Keep on the good work!
Both are great watches but in my opinion I prefer the Tudor and the same thing happens to me if I had to choose between a Tudor GMT or a Rolex GMT. Don't get me wrong, Rolex it's a better watch, an icon, but starting from the basis that the Tudor already has very good quality (more than enough to me) i like it more because it barely shines like the Rolex GMT or the submariner. Thanks Andy for another great video.
I bought the Tudor GMT and absolutely love it. The colors are my alma matter and as some say, it is "class". I went for the leather and NATO straps over the steel bracelet and its fake rivets. The finishing is so much nicer in person than any pictures I saw. Love it under the light.
@@JohnLevesque_Shogi Absolutely, it’s a beautiful and great watch. Mine is almost one year old and really happy with it. I lo ve it.
Great video Andy and really thoughtful comments. I have the Pelagos FXD and the Sea Dweller Deep Sea and both are the ultimate dive tool watches from their respective houses, and showcase the very best of both Tudor and Rolex
I own both the Tudor GMT and the Rolex Sub (no date) and I think both are great watches, but somehow I like the Tudor more than the Rolex. The Rolex is almost perfect, but that makes it feel a little sterile and almost boring at times. The Tudor isn't perfect, but that gives it a bit more character and the colours on the GMT are really amazing.
Hi Andy, its nice knowing your ownership experience with these two watches from the same family umbrella brand.
Your insights are much appreciated and helpful in addressing similarities and differences in their qualities.
I am considering between the BB41/36 steel in black or silver dials or BB58 gilded black dial in complimenting my Rolex watches.
Thanks for your insights with best regards.
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Love this channel. Down to earth. Channel for the ordinary watch collector like me. Very informative
Anyone else more interested in the tudor than the rolex? Tudor a watch you can actually go in and buy.
I tried one on and its definitely on the raidar.
Great video Andy
Totally agree. I just bought my Tudor GMT this month and absolutely love it. Crazy as it might sound, but I actually prefer it over the Rolex, but to be honest, the Rolex was not an option. Tudor's colors looked better for me. In person the Tudor is way better than pictures and video.
The bezel on the Tudor is way more good looking!🤩
Great video . Had delivery of my Tudor GMT very happy. I find the combination with bracelet a little heavy. Have combined with some leather straps. But don’t like to see the gap at lug end and which they made a curved end leather strap. I use a vanguard rubber which perfect. So got David at the strap tailor to custom make leather strap using the end links. Cannot wait to see how good is going to look. By the way your videos on Tudor helped me with my purchase
I happen to have both of these watches. I have the new Sub date (the 2020 refresh 126610) and the Tudor BBGMT from 2018. I have been wearing the Tudor quite a bit the last 3 years and I just adore the watch. I like the weight and thickness, but the Sub is just on a different level. It wears so well that you can almost forget its on your wrist. The sub is just so clean and legible that there just isn’t comparison. The Sub is the best sports watch in the business. The GMT is a nice change up and still gets serious wrist time. The loser of my watch box was my Omega Seamaster 300mc.
Lovely video nice presentation Andy 👍
I’m planning to buy a Tudor GMT 2 tone
Great breakdown.
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Hi ANDY . I have just purchased theTudor GMT , two days ago . I am extremely pleased with it , so far first class accuracy ,spot on +/- 0 .
A worthy addition to my collection, Omegas , Breitling, and IWC s .
Problem is I don’t want to take it off .
I have a 2021 Datejust 41 yellow gold steel beautiful watch but in fairness I just purchased a Tudor pelagos black and I have to say I absolutely love it I'm not too worried about it getting a scratch or two on it at work really over the moon with it. Thank for the videos really enjoy them.
I like that you have both! Great video Andy.
What a great video just subscribed! I own but but my Rolex is the hulk. All your points are spot on, I hate it when people say it’s a poor mans Rolex. Tudor has become its own identity and one I really enjoy. Just ordered the Tudor chrono panda from my AD 6 month wait but at least you can get it at retail. Keep up the great videos👍🏻
In my opinion the Tudor gmt for the price Is the best watch out there! Great looking, great movement and It has ten year service interval which is great!
Marketing goes a very long way... profit margins are huge on high-end wrist watches !
Especially if like Rolex you pay no corporation tax or the Swiss equivalent.
Nice presentation . . . . thank you! 😎👍😎
I love them both and like you said, no poor person is purchasing a Tudor.
Great video!
Nice video thanks… for me the Tudor is the better Rolex because you get Rolex quality for a much better price..I got the GMT and love it.
I like the Tudor for the very thing that most dont like it for, the dimensions. On the bracelet it's an Ok watch but on the Tudor clasp/ leather strap it's on another
level and beats the competition by a long way.
I agree. I am 6'3." I have the new Breitling SuperOcean 44mm, the Submariner (40mm -- bought new in 2006), and am looking at the Tudor GMT. I like the larger dimensions
of the Breitling and the Tudor as a tall person. The Sub feels and looks petite on my wrist and I rarely wear it.
This channel is amazing…
A thoughtful and well balanced video highlighting the differences between both brands from one stable. I am fortunate to own watches from both brands and enjoy them in their own right.
In hand the Rolex is a vastly superior watch but for most unobtainable, the Tudor Sports range offers an awesome entry level luxury watch at the most competitive price with solid value retention.
Thank you for your continued content Andy.
Is a Rolex vastly superior though? It’s just marketed in a completely different way, making it unobtanium to create a furore for what is merely a name
Nice thoughts, thank you.
Great Video!
Both watches are excellent. For purely realistic reasons I would go for the Tudor. At least they are somewhat obtainable. Rolex is like that super-hot girl that you've tried to get a date with and despite your best efforts, no luck. She might be worth it, she might not, but you'll never know. I was on a 4-year chase to obtain a No Date Sub, but came up empty-handed. I gave up the hunt in late 2019 because was unwilling to pay the Gray Market price. Purchased something else instead and am extremely satisfied.
Congrats to you Andy, for scoring a Rolex Sub. You've got the best of both worlds.
Had a call from my AD that the Yachtmaster platinum could be had. I understand it was the shape and dimensions the Sub was going to get and was tempted.Stopped because the BB 58 OG has done me so well and battle scars don’t worry me.Every mark on the polished links of the YM would have hurt. Thanks for a well presented case.Went for Tudor despite Becks and Gaga being associated.
Becks and Gaga are there for everyone else……we just know.
Well done. Just keep in mind that the steel used in the Rolex Oyster case is 2x as expensive as the 316L (904L). It works the same way with pocket knives. Better steel is more expensive to make, and harder to polish. We all overlook this fact when comparing these two brands.
I bought two Tudors recently .. the BlackBay 41mm Heritage ..and the GMT. And even though they are not the most expensive watches in my collection (that honor goes to my two Bremonts) .. they are easily the best watches I own. And though I’d love a Rolex GMT Master II .. I’m frustrated with Rolex and their inability or unwillingness to produce more quantity. A 20 year waitlist where I live for any Rolex .. that’s straight from the Showroom. So .. Tudor is a winner for that simple fact that their products are affordable, and available. (And even more frustratingly .. it’s made in the same factory as the Rolex’s .. seems that no one can be arsed putting Rolex’s together at the factory).
As for which is better … again .. a redundant question as Rolex is unavailable.
I want one .. but I ain’t ever getting one. BUT .. I’m mollified by the fact that my Tudor watches are amazing and I can’t imagine a Rolex being any better.
Yea set my tudor by cell phone month later right on time incredible
I love my Tudor GMT, but the bracelet is an absolute pain in the arse. It’s either too big or too small - glad they’ve started including a quick adjust on the newer pieces.
I want a sub. I can't afford one on the secondary market. I don't have a relationship with an AD. I could and did get the Black Bay 58 and I don't feel like I'm missing out or settled. Also the more I thought about it I realized how much the sub is homage by other companies and it kind of waters down the design for me.
Tried the Tudor, loved it but it’s a bit to thick for my liking. It would be a dream come true if they would slim it down.
If they did a tudor gmt in a 58 case i would be banging the door down but just cant justify the size for my wrist sadly
Sub owner here. Cheers on the video. So 904l steel is substantially more expensive to work with. Rolex invested millions when they changed from 1016 over to 904l steel. All of the machinery had to be changed at well. Although it does scratch a little easier it is a more robust steel and harder to work. I do enjoy a good Tudor but I prefer the vintage references. Their gilt dial submariners are just as interesting as an old 6538 or 5512
Thanks for the intel.
Don’t own Rolex and for sure it’s an Icon and built like one. But I do own 10 Tudors (oops now 9, just traded in BB 925 + GS SBGJ201 White dial GMT for a new in pouch Omega Bond). I figure you get about 80-90 % of Rolex quality for less than 50% and more importantly you can buy them. To me that means allot. I can’t stand going to a dealer and they say sorry…..nothing irks me more.
But I’m still. Family member ⏱
Great video. This is my ideal duo, I'm on the waiting list for a Sub no date and I'm tempted to pick up a Tudor GMT from my local AD, only thing holding me back though is the dreaded date issue. Did you have any recurring problems with the date after you got it back from the RSC last year ?
No. Since it came back a year ago it’s been perfect. Keeps better time than the Sub.
No. Since it came back a year ago it’s been perfect. Keeps better time than the Sub.
Great review, love the Tudor. 🇬🇧🇺🇦🏴
There’s a bit of hate online against Tudor as a “Wannabe Rolex” but I wonder why they do truly think that. I wonder if some actually desire to have one. And some may be a bit too unrealistically purist about horology. After all, every watch company has borrowed from another. Personally, I love my BB58 and would buy it again over any dive watch. Any.
It must be the status thing and the feeling of superiority of its owners but any logical thinking person would criticize the missing AR coating. Glad that you mentioned it.
The Rolex case proportions, curvaceous lugs, and overall polish and finish is a thing of beauty. But I’ve got to hand it to Tudor for the wonderful simplicity in design of the dial, bezel, hands and domed crystal. The combine look of the Tudor is awesome knockout despite the thickness of the case.
Well said sir. Thank you. T:D
"Cus that's the least of his problems..." So much truth in that + ultimately used as a marketing ploy. Rolex eludes to it, Mercedes eludes to it and NYC realtors elude to it to make one feel luxurious when selling themselves. When in reality there are more honest brands that give you great value for their product.
The Tudor GMT is worn by world travelers and the hustlers among us; the Rolex is worn by those who are hustled.
I love the 116610 and 16610, I've never been so much of a fan of the Tudor Black Bay I must say. I don't think the sub is loads better a watch by any means, I suppose it's more a taste thing.
I have got a Tudor aswell 👍👍
Love them both!
Rolex calibers are not with problems. My 2022 explorer2 hour hand is sometimes one hour ahead, sometimes one hour late. My Tudor gmt has been perfect.
Sorry but there was a really annoying ticking in the background on playback of this video picking up on my headphones so I couldn’t complete the video , were you aware of it?
Sorry, not aware. I’ll check, but unlikely to be able to fix an issue as the episode has been up for a while.
If you like the looks of the Tudor over the Rolex, and one is one third the price with equal precision and quality than the other....the answer is obvious. In Rolex you are paying the advertising, the sponsorship and yes..the fame. But..honestly...do you think Tudor factory is going to compromise on purpose their manufacturing processes and quality just to be less expensive than Rolex? NO! They are built exactly by the same qualified watchmen, the same machines, with the same quality and the same control standards...difference in price is just explained by marketing expenses, ridiculous hype, desire and scarcity. Twenty years from now, the Tudor GMT will be a collector’s piece just by the fact that it somehow managed to "dent the famous crown".
I tried the Tudor GMT on a while ago, the thickness was an issue for me but still a good looking piece.
Personnally, I'd like a Rolex Sub but with Tudor hands.
You can if you go vintage, but that’s lots of money. I guess the BB58 is trying to be the modern equivalent at a very modest price.
Both nice watches, but give me an Omega Seamaster any day of the week.
I have a Black Bay 58 and I've to say it wears better than my Ceramic Sub. It's also more refined with a nicer tapper on the case. With a few minoer changes it could top the Sub ,but Rolex won't let that happen so in some ways i guess you could say it's a poor mans Rolex
One day Andy you will get invited on a Paul Thorpe live show
Not sure I’m wacky enough.
@@TheEnglishWatch Paul should be invited in to YOUR show! I like Paul’s show every now and then, but Andy’s is my favorite watch channel. Never too many diluted video uploads. Reasonable and smart advice. And non pretentious. No offense intended to other watch channels. I respect pretty much all of them
your t gmt looks a bit cheap (though I prefer the hands design). I am annoyed that one cannot buy anything modern and with the new lume and steel from rolex without paying bs prices
You are absolutely right. Poor people don't buy £2 or £3 watches!
I like the 70hr power reserve on the Tudor, I think 🤔 the new sub has 70hr as well, and I believe more anti magnetic 🧲. The Tudor looks thick as you said in the end they are both nice 👍🏻 Not keen on the Tudor bracelet . I’d rather have an omega seamaster 300 than the Tudor I think 🤔
I think the first thing to consider, Hans Wilsdorf wasn't a watchmaker. In fact he never made a watch in his life, he was just a businessman. A good businessman, certainly. Rolex at the beginning was a bit of a Disparate affair, for example the movements. They were supplied by a little known movement manufacturer, Aegler. This continued until 2004, when Rolex finally bought them out completely. Wilsdorf recognised a potential opportunity to mop up customers that found the prohibitively expensive ticket price of the Rolex marque hard to swallow. And that's where The Tudor story starts and ends really. It was developed as a budget alternative to a Rolex, and it still is. A bit like Porsche, I don't think anyone would buy a Cayman if they could afford a 911. Similarly, I don't think anyone would opt for a Tudor in preference to a Rolex. Sorry!
Can't be doing with the shit off rolex
Invented the self winding watch, they most certainly did not.
Great video 👍 I think your right, I would put Tudor up against Omega and Breitling rather than Rolex.
These comparison vids are getting tiresome. Tudor is Tudor, Rolex is Rolex. The micro-adjustment complaints seem to come solely from those with very thin wrist, and who should probably not be wearing a large watch. Just another content vid with nothing new to offer. Sorry, just keeping it real. Either way, well done production and still a 👍 and a new subscriber.
In my opinion Rolex has become ubiquitous and a bit pretentious. Additionally, I just can’t stand the cyclops date window. Its so big it obscures the hands anytime they’re pointing in that direction. Rolex is impeccably made no doubt but I can’t get past these issues. Tudor on the other hand is a bit more unique and actually fills the role of a tool watch. The Sub/Master II are tools that 90% of owners would never use as such. I’ll be picking up a Black Bay GMT soon.
I’d sack that Rolex get the new pelagos fxd and the aqua terra.Well that’s if I had a Rolex 😂
Sub wears better. Tudor GMT is nice, but wears too big for my 7” wrist. Both are great.
Get a 16710
Rolex is better ! You get a prestigious name and Tudor is nice but it does great because of Rolex
Rhodium is more expensive than gold
No rich man poor man buy tudor because there beautiful 58 925 fxd pelogos the bronze got all plus a few rolex
Tudor just to thick for me
If you do not mind wearing very thick watch then the Tudor is a great value at around $4.5K.
It is 14.6mm thick. This is why I did not buy it as it felt too thick on my average wrist.
The Rolex is just 12mm thick so it feels a little more comfortable on my wrist.
My strong advice is to visit your AD and try the watch that you are interested in and then decide.