Folk History of Bagpipes Part 1 Irish Scottish English Welsh (France&Spain)
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Here I pieced together my favourite, and most informative videos on some of the folk history behind the pipes. This is not intended to be full history of Bagpipes everywhere, merely an overall guide, to provide a fairly good grounding for you if you, are new to the bagpipe world, and want to know a bit about its backround. So please refrain from negative comments about why didn't I cover this, or that, or I am 'wrong' here or there. If you are so compelled, please make your own video to educate me!
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Amazing! Thanks! 😎
Bagpipes or bladderpipes of some sort existed in antiquity. We know they were around in the classical world, and likely among cultures in other areas. But the modern European style of bagpipes all evolved in the mid to late middle ages, and are are based around a stiff, double-reed shawm-style chanter that was, in turn, based on the Zurna or similar instrument. They all share that classic shawm sound, and a chanter *LITERALLY IS* a shawm when removed from the pipes. It's the same instrument. More ancient bagpipes would likely have sounded quite different, and may have been only for drones. Folklore and traditions in celtic nations are likely recalling nothing more than strong traditions going back to the middle ages.
Morpeth Piping museum is my Mecca. Great Doco.
Love your work! I've made three videos myself in the past where I collected sound samples of different regional bagpipes throughout Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. I was surprised how many people wanted to know about this stuff judging by the amount of views on those videos, however they are now hidden. A couple of months ago I decided to renew the idea and gather samples for 65 types of pipes in a new video
Thank you, where are your videos? I would love to see them, can you send the links to them? Here is my last one......czcams.com/video/ckcCo11-TDs/video.html
@@dublinpiper Just look at the last video that was uploaded on my channel. The links to the hidden videos can be found in its description but those can only be accessed there as they serve little purpose anymore
Very interesting documentary
Thank you. I am putting together another one on the ancient relationship between bagpipes, organs, and hurdy-gurdies! With clips of bagpipes from around the world... I will have it ready in a couple of days. There will be 4 in all, by the time I'm finished. Thanks for your nice comment
@@dublinpiper Sounds amazing, I'll subscribe so I wont miss it and your very welcome :)
@@patrioticarchive Here you go, as promised, this really goes down the rabbit hole of ancient reed pipes, bellows and bag blown 'organs' and the suprising cultural link with the Hurdy Gurdy. I still have 2 more to upload yet! Thank you again for your encouraging comments...czcams.com/video/7LWMLJDsBBQ/video.html
Heres my last one....(mostly world bagpipes and a little Hurdy Gurdy) czcams.com/video/ckcCo11-TDs/video.html
I’ve read a lot of history about bagpipes but I never knew about Wicklow pipes and the Clonmacnoise depiction.
Thank you, not many people do, and its a crying shame
The first few images conflate reedpipes (comparable to the classical aulos or tibia 01:20) with fully developed bagpipes. Sure, everybody had "pipes", including Neanderthal man. The stone cat 01:23 could equally be blowing into a double reedpipe with a double horn bell resonator - still common enough in the Mediterranean countries. The original carving lacks definition and the reconstruction proves nothing: it's an interpretation.
Again, I never said we invented the bagpipes. Its a stupid statement. I believe they probably popped up independently at different times and places around the world. I just don't buy the idea that everything had to come from the middle East via Rome, when we had highly developed horns, and wind instruments dug out of bogs since the copper/bronze age - long before Rome. As you said too, Neandertals had 'pipes' flutes/whistles - It doesn't take much extra imagination to stick a bag on it. I've seen youtube videos of bagpipes made of straws, carrots and rubber gloves! Regarding the cat, he has his paws around a large round thing, which looks like a bag. If it is a bag, as far as i'm aware, its the oldest depiction on these 2 islands - outdating Chaucer's Miller by a few hundred years. I would need to re-visit the cross, and take better photos with different light/shade angles to be a little more certain. But then Irish written sources eg. A seventh century Irish poem The Fair of Carman describes ‘…Pipes, fiddles, chainmen, Bone-men and tube players…’ but we don’t know what the fiddle was at that time. An excavation in Dublin during the 18th century uncovered a fiddle and bow dating from the 11th century: this is the oldest bow known in Europe - the bow is of dogwood and has an animal head carved on the tip. Trouble with translating old Irish to English trying to describe lost instruments... will we ever know? Last thing, this is generlly just clips from my favourite documentaries cobbled together, so its not definitive
a bit disappointed on how the Galician pipes are described and so short time devoted to them when compared for instance to the biniou koz. There are tens of thousands of Galician pipers. The oldest Galician chanter "alive" was inpected and dated by Carbon14 as 600 years old. As per the video it seems the Galician and Asturian bagpipes are something marginal and not a successful thriving tradition alive in many countries in Europe and Hispanoamérica.
What a load of tosh, I suggest you check your sources
regarding? What is 'tosh' and what sources do I need to check? or are just one of these who sits there writing negative unhelpful comments to make yourself feel a little better about yourself - offering no alternative to the discussion. Unless you can back yourself up with something sensible, I might remove your comment for using 'tosh' as its not very polite or helpful.
@@dublinpiper He's probably on about the Wicklow pipes. I understand the consensus of archeologists to be that it was a fipple-blown instrument, much like a set of "pan pipes", rather than an ancestor of the bagpipes, owing to the lack of finger holes.
If you would like, I can try to dig through some papers on the Wicklow pipes for you when I get some free time this weekend.
@@FifeGuylack of toneholes, no evidence of any reeds, even the single beating type, and no evidence of a bag. Anyone who has ever bought a set of pipes made in Pakistan can tell you that you need more than a bunch of sticks to make a bagpipe.
Sorry, not buying the theory that the Irish invented Bagpipes. Since your evidence seems to date from the 14th century and the Romans came to Britain in the first century, likely bringing the pipes with them from previous conquests in the East or north Africa'.
Our folklore and tradition says otherwise. But there's no proof, bar those Wicklow pipes, which don't have a bag. Just like theres no proof the Romans brought them either. If you look at the amazing bronze age instruments of Britain and Ireland, I hardly think it took the Romans to show us how to stick a sack onto a wind instrument! Plus I never said we actually invented them, I think its ubiquitous. Like stone-age bone flutes are.
@@dublinpiper Irish folklore and tradition also claim the existence of little magical people with pots of gold !
@@jimpomac It doesn't really. Begorrah, unfortunately those are stage Oirish clichéd Americanisms. But if you're referring to the Sídh on the other hand (in fact the burial mounds where the Sídh abide, are in fact full of gold artifacts.. name me a culture that doesn't have supernatural beings.... Your Romans for example, Greeks..... pipes of Pan etc etc yeah, thats it, Pan invented the pipes, and he brought them from Greece to Rome and then they showed us how to stick a bag on it, cos we would've never thought of that addition.
@@dublinpiper I was merely stating a personal opinion. It is far more likely that complex musical instruments were developed in climates where the chief occupation was something other than keeping warm and not starving for six months of the year. Northern technology seems to have been focused on creating better weapons rather than arts and crafts. Nor do I subscribe to the unfortunate image of the Irish that has grown in the USA, where Irish culture seems to have been embodied in the images of an Incorrectly pronounced Basketball team and a college football team who's logo is a pugilistic Leprachaun.
@@jimpomac Fair enough, but I disagree on the Northern technology, and arts and crafts bit. If you look at some of the 'Celtic' art in the national museum in Dublin, or anywhere, you will find the most delicate, intricate and almost microscopic detail in gold and silver art work, much of which can't be replicated today in such fine detail. Equally too in music. The Gaelic harp was said to be strung with strings of silver and gold... The Gaels/Celts arrived in Ireland BC. And as implausible as that seems, in recent times experiments were done (eg Anne Heymann) which proved it actually worked! Gold strings worked best in the base notes, bronze in the middle, and silver in the higher notes. We've always had a highly developed poetic/bardic/musical culture, and have been in touch with the rest of the world all along... They found the skull of a Barbary ape in Navan fort. Dated 390-20BC. Another strange thing is Irish is grammatically closer to Hebrew and Arabic than other Western European languages are... so I don't think we were always just starving and freezing our holes off six months of the year! 😄