A Better Spring for the American Pro 2 Jazzmaster/Panorama? w/
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As a Jazzmaster/Princeton Reverb player, when Mike says "You see that Treble, its at 10. Put that shit at 4." I totally related.
They do get scrongly
@@Puisheen Even to the point of being Scrichety.
I also play a Jazzmaster through a Princeton & my treble is @ 4 however my bass is @ 6.
Are my ears damaged?
I can’t believe I just watched a 35 minute video of two guys talking about springs … but LOVED every single second of it.
Can this please become a regular cross over? They just seem so happy to be futzing around together
Same!
lol it’s like episode of That Pedal Show one hour dedicated to tuners lol
My father was a locksmith and he could hardly throw away anything that looked useful. Over the years, he accumulated 2 boxes of springs of all sizes from discarded machines.
For my Bigsbys, I never really liked the springs from the factory either. I helped myself in my father's collection and always found a spring with better efficiency, which I then only had to shorten to the right length. If a spring is a little too short when you cut it to length, or if you are stringing thicker strings, you can use washers to help.
how real was it for me to watch Mike find each and every click and sound coming from the guitar... I can't seem to not hear those things when setting up a guitar. I can even hear it after its plugged in. Ryan's like its perfect... mike says grab my files.... Cheers
It’s a curse and a blessing!
Seeing you two in the same video is sort of like running into my homeroom teacher at the pizza place as a kid. Familiar, yet... not.
It's like the episode of The Simpsons when Bart and Milhouse meet their Shelbyville counterparts.
@@christopherfidler3019 hah!
It's like watching brothers reunite during the summer after the younger brother just finished his first year at college
This was an incredibly enjoyable video. Looking forward to the second season of Guitar House!
You guys need to do more videos together!👍👍
I agree!!!
we really do.
This is legit the best crossover that I’ve ever seen :0
I had an extra bigsby. I took the compression spring off it and put it in on my American professional II. It was a little long, but if you cut it down. It works fantastic. It still works if you don’t cut it down.
Side note, it was really hard tracking down springs.
@@gorlagOv What gauge strings are you using? It looks like Bigsby also makes 1" long springs, which should be the exact right height, so i might order one and try it out.
@@ryanlammers1781 yeah try it. I am using the purple Ernie Ball 11-48 the power slinky.
Today I fitted the yellow spring to my Pro 2 Jazzmaster, all with the help and advice from you two wonderful Jazzmaster players/experts.
It took five weeks for the spring to arrive here in Australia from China, but I was quite happy to wait for it.
I opened up one end of the spring with a Dremel rotary file attached to my cordless drill plus I also used a round file, so it would fit securely about half way over the thimble. I cleaned off the yellow paint from each end of the spring for a good earthing connection as you advised. It was all a simple upgrade to do and I am very happy with the result. There's no click sound from the Panorama either.
I had fitted 10 to 52 strings in the hope that they would work the Panorama better than 11's, but they didn't and still bottomed out with the original spring.
Now, about these muddy pickups on the Pro 2, would the push/pull control wiring work with Lollar Black Bobbin pickups?
This is wonderful news! So glad the spring worked out for you! The push-pull as wired won't do anything for the Lollars as the switch is really just there to activate or deactivate part of the tapped coil which doesn't exist on Lollar's standard or BB Jazzmaster pickups. You'd need something like the Novak JM-180 which is also a tapped pickup, essentially two P90s in one pickup.
You could totally rewire the push-push for, say, an out of phase sound. It's the same DPDT (Double Pull, Double Throw) layout that you'd get with a Push-Pull or a Jaguar style switch
@@Puisheen OK, thanks for that. It's something I can take onboard thinking about for my next Jazzmaster upgrade.
Ryan - you're one of the most genuine, honest CZcamsr out there. You don't pretend... you admit you don't know things. And you're funny too (maybe because of that)! Great video!
I used the All Parts Spring, it was $10 and works perfect for 10-46 strings. The factory spring, even with 10's lost range, I didn't try 11's, but it is stiffer.
I tried the all parts and it bottomed out with my 11s
@@60CycleHumcast I could guess that, it was just enough to handle the 10’s. I ordered one of these yellow ones, thank you for doing all the research!
Hey man, can you give me a link to the all parts spring please. I'm planning on using 10s like you
Thank you Ryan and Mike!! 3 Panoramas. 3 springs purchased.
Your energy mixes sooo well, it's beautiful
💖🐎💖
yes bro! i've been waiting for ryan to go in depth on his spring obsession since he mentioned it on the pod!
It's really heartwarming to see you go over to hang out and make videos with your big brother. xD
Mike listening to all the spring nerdiness and getting visibly giddy.
60 Cycle Hum and Puisheen doing a video together is like peaches and cream, peanut butter and jelly, or Simon and Garfunkel. It just works very very well!
So, who is Garfunkel?
@@poetryofbeing Simon and Simon then...
Okay. You guys are pretty cool. Appreciate your work on this stuff, and making the info open. I'm obsessed with getting a jag, and have been wondering which model to get. This info may be handy.
5:55 that rig is AMAZING
My '65 AVRI bottoms out too, I'll have to give this spring a try. Mike, I think you mentioned the '65 had this issue too a couple of years ago, I'll have to go hunt down that video. Thank you both! Job well done.
Actually, that might be your arm! The last few 65s I worked on had the inserted end of the arm poking out of the bottom of the collet, so I took some material off the bottom of the arm and that solved it. Pop your vibrato off and see if you can find where it’s hitting the cavity
@@Puisheen that’s what it was! Thank you!
I have been waiting for this video ever since Ryan told me about you doing it. I the Robert he was talking about. Ryan and I have been going so much back a forth on this. I so glad he found a source and that you agree on the direction. I don't have the Am Pro II, but I'm put the trem I bought in my Special Addition Am Pro. Now I have to get the spring. the one thing I will do is I have a mini lathe, and I will slightly reduce the button to where the spring will bottom onto it. Mike thank you so much for posting this now I want to know what the final outcome of the clicking you guys mentioned. Great Video all around.👍👍👏👏👏
I might hit you up to modify my thimble/button lol
@@60CycleHumcast I'd be happy to.
Robert! Ryan told me all about you! Thanks for your contributions to the cause!
Any chance you want to lathe a thimble out for me to use this spring with? Happy to compensate you for it.
@@markjosey7476 I never thought I would do more, but Mike has a friend that could use as well. I always thought people would do there own to match sping. I contour the very first coil on both sides to match the thimble angle for best operation. You probably have your own spring. I just order 5 new springs from the China supplier and I'll go tomorrow or Tuesday to the metal supply for more brass. What I can do is take the stock spring and size it without the champher in it. Look for me on Facebook for messaging.
CZcams can't handle these two titans together.
20:56 I almost spat out my tea, laughing at this 😂
All my favorite Offset channels in one place.
Mike I'm so glad you were so honest to tell us your origin story with your glasses 😂
Wow it finally happened!! More episodes together!
Mike, you need to be a regular on the 60 cycle hum podcast. You two are great together
I can't believe I'm watching this excited hahaha
This is hilarious... and informative!
i think i have the same love for these offsets you have ,the way i felt after playing one of these back in 1995..unmatched i felt electric.just the way it comes alive and resonates with our skelaton when that top horn vibes against you sternum..just elektrik.love the chan .god job.
Also, if you put a couple of nylon washers between the spring's shortness and the brass piece it should stop the knocking.
Interested in this! Do you mean after the spring replacement, or directly on the stock one?
@@ignaciofurones I mean after the new spring is installed since there is space between the spring and the thimble.
Put some washers on the thimble to fill in the space under the spring, so that it stops digging into it. Put enough in that they don't rattle.
not a bad idea.
I am so grateful that you are following up on this story
God to have been in that room, guitar house looks like it was a blast! Great vid 👍
I just ordered a replacement spring for the Panorama trem I bought for a Jaguar project I'm building. You solved a problem I would have encountered as soon as I put my preferred heavy strings--especially with a short-scale. Cheers and thank you.
honestly im not even that massive on Pink Floyd but that Starfleet Badge shirt is so dope
I literally JUST broke a thin E at the ball-end once you guys started talking about soldering the ends.
Bit spooked out tbh
hold me
Thanks for the video, I always assumed it was the same size as a bigsby spring.
I barely got my first offset and am totally in love with the tremolo on the Jazzmaster. Leo outdid himself.
I was a Floyd guy but honestly I kinda like this one a bit more.
i love your eloquent way of talking. its like some american version of BBC voice over stuff
I watched a lot of BBC as a kid!
ahahah that was very funny xD 22:08
Mike, what a player!!
Thought: just drill the first two splines of the magic school bus spring and let the rest do the tension work. To me it looked like you only needed about 1/4 inch to fully seat. Cheers I would pay to see more Mashup videos my dudes!
I love #guitarhouse videos and the whole group of merry offset people! Love the energy - especially when you're touching each others wiggle sticks! :)
I never realized how built you were until you sat beside Ryan. I would not want to arm wrestle you.
17:31 "I'm gonna check your balls" 😂😂😂
Looking forward to seeing Puisheen showing off the Meteora.
You are going to drop a pickup on that rig, you will, eventually, and I will like it.
This was fun
Thanks for finding that spring!
As of friday 6th the spring in the link has gone down to $2.15 Great for us, terrible for Ryan's 1%
lol, i didnt even make an affiliate link for it because why bother lol
Omg Mike, your Heath Ledger Joker is amazing lol
This has been so fun! Loving these #guitarhouse vids!!!
That spring you got from that shop almost reminds me of a valve spring from a motor.
I looked at a bunch of motorcycle valve springs too!
Awesome guys! I'll be totally honest with you, the main reason I don't get a Jazzmaster is because of the faulty designs that Fender has out there, which (my old friend) Mike has pointed out in the past. It feels like a quagmire, and I don't have someone that's as familiar with the various fixes as Mike is. I'd definitely have a Jazzmaster otherwise ny now. (or maybe a Jaguar?) Let's just say Fender offset! haha I'm glad you guys have achieved spring goodness! Nice video.
I'm so happy you feel more comfortable with the model. All they usually "need" is a setup, but there's definitely an iceberg situation with offsets
YUKKO you 2 together > like a BAD NIGHTMARE>
i think the "knocking" is the bar hitting the bridge edge.
i get the "knocking" sound on my Bass VI with stock parts so it wouldn't be the spring.
It could be when Mike pushes down it's almost straight down parallel to the strings or even inwards a bit, angled towards the center of the body, therefore he catches the bridge edge on the way down, causing the knocking.
When Ryan uses it he goes slightly more "away" from the strings (and bridge) so it clears without hitting anything until the tip touches the pickguard.
It could be this because if it was the inner mechanism (including the new spring) it should sound whenever any of them push down to the bottom.
also you wouldn't have the sound on your mastery because of the huge curve on the whamy bar (i think this is the reason for that); neither on Ryan's scrapwood thing (awesome btw) because he has full clearance for the whamy to go even "pass down the body".
i hope this helps. you guys are both great, keep doing these colabs!
It isn't that, but thanks for trying to help. It's an internal issue that Ryan solved later
@@Puisheen awesome!!! what was it?
This video is soo good guys! I love it!
I will try one for my cheap Guyker Les Trem rip off. the only issue I think is the cheap spring that doens't allow it to go back to neutral.
Great video fellas! I’ve had my eye on these guitars and was dubious on the trem .. til now.
That knocking needs sorting out. I’ve got the same thing happening on my Jag .. so distracting!
Thank you Buck Owens too
Paul!
I used a bigsby spring which is a little wider but still fits the thimble, its a thicker guage so has greater tension
Damn almost perfect. Fender fix this itsh! I went on the hunt also and couldn’t find one. Finally returned my am proII, because of this. Someone please measure the mastery spring and we can all chip in and get it custom made.
Now if you you drill it so it sits flat will you need a longer spring?
So fun!
WORLDS COLLIDING!!
Even though my Jazzmaster isn't traditional in the slightest it's unique to know how the vibrato works on a traditional Jazz/Jag
I’m playing a squire jmj with an avri trem 10-46 flats and loving it
Don't wait for Summer to get a Spring?
Knock off the Knock!
Great video! I started looking around for springs for the saddles on my Jerry Jones, since one had been replaced in its history. I first started looking on McMaster-Carr, and I venture to guess you'd be able to find most springs you might need on there. Cool to see how the die springs differ, and how modifications affect them!
My man Jason is also a 10-52 man. Best string gauge.
There were not any cool toys back when I was a wee lad. We had to play with springs. Split shaft, vintage type kluson tuners for me. No staggered height shenanigans.
I had what my parents said was a pet turtle. I found out later it was a potato
True Story!
Legend! Your videos are the best. Any chance you'll be reviewing the 40th anniversary Squier Jazzmaster gold edition?
I'd love to, so long as one comes my way!
I'd guess the knock is from taking out the bridge inserts. Need a follow up to this one. 🤘🏻
If you know anyone with a business that has a Mcmaster-Carr account, you can get a variety of springs. Loving you 2 going down this rabbit hole in a video together!
Mcmaster didnt have springs in stock that fit the specs, custom order only.
hell yeah!
Mike!! Great video, You guys are great!! But I still say the same thing(s) that I have always said......Fender needs to get back to the drawing board AND MAKE A STICK THAT ACTUALLY WORKS! And yes, you two guys are IN FACT, fixing a Fender design flaw.👍👍👍👍
What were the dimensions of the spring you ordered from that eBay page? Did you try the slightly heavier blue spring at all?
Oh that little 30 Rock quote!
Great videos guys! I wonder if Fender will respond to this. I would love to see a video on the Vintera series of offsets, specifically the none modified versions.
How did I miss this?
"I want to go to there." Mike was that a 30 Rock reference ?
This has so much show tune potential... Guitar House: The Musical
“He likes it loose~ and I like it tight~” 13:54
Could one add some washers to the thimble to take up that exit extra space and reduce any potential wear and play?
I saw a video a few years ago where a guy got a stronger spring for his Bigsby trem at a prosthesis store.
Now that's an unexpected tip! I'll start snooping
Mike, didn’t you determine that the spring from a mastery trem worked well? Wonder if the folks at mastery would share their spring source.
They are in the business of selling complete trem units, not individual springs to remedy competitors trem units.
@@60CycleHumcast true! But what if you needed a “replacement” spring for your mastery trem 😉 JK, you make a good point. Cheers! Can’t wait for the summer season of “Guitar House”.. there will be a summer season right!? With even more guitar and even more house.
@@GiantsFanJames guitar house has no central ac so guitar house will always take place in the spring. Lots more videos to come though.
Do me a favor: see that treble, it’s a ten? Put that shit at 4.” -Mike
The most Me thing I have ever said lol
Ryan check out the “Stretcha” to stretch strings. It’s like 3 bucks or something. I was hipped to it from a long video I watched by EVH’s guitar tech on how he prepped Eddie’s guitars.
Used to play bluegrass with a guy that said “Dee Darnell” so knowing how wrong that is, I still say that
Is that a hand wound spring in your pocket, or are you- oh it is? Cool. Cool cool cool.
Awesome video, thank you! Any tips on getting the collet of a patent number Trem out?
Usually heating up the collet with a soldering iron before attempting to crank it out of its plate does the trick
While this clearly sucks, I can only imagine this is exactly the way Leo Fender would have tried to solve things - with an off the shelf component put to ingenious use. Bravo!
Did you solve the clicking problem Yeti?
How about y'all try 1804N23 on McMaster Carr? It's 20x10x25 yellow die spring. Might be more firm but would hopefully fit over the seat properly.
Someone might dill just the first quarter inch of the spring, for better fit. Leave the rest of the spring in tack.
Ryan's laugh is maniacal... kind of like a serial killer/torturer in the movies. So maybe Ryan wants to get an agent, and read some scripts?
Have fender addressed this as someone posted on a Jazzmaster fb group saying having issue ?
does this change your stance on buying AVRI tremelo systems? would cheap systems now with the upgraded spring solve the problem? or are there other reasons to buy the avri?
Oh I still prefer the AVRI I think. Panorama’s fun, and I like having it on one of my guitars, but it does feel and respond quite differently compared to the AVRI/Vintage units. Much tougher to get subtler dips and controlled pitch variance with how quickly the Panorama drops in pitch. I’ll have the Pat Pend or a Mastery over it any day, but it’s really fun to employ when I need “more”
Can you change the spring in the squirt bass VI for more resistance ,
I wonder if you put a 1" Bigsby spring with washers if it's too wide would work?