Confederate Navy Baby LeMat Grapeshot Revolver
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- One of the rarest models of LeMat grapeshot revolver is this, the “Baby” LeMat. This is a substantially smaller gun than the normal LeMat, although it retains a 9-shot cylinder and a central barrel. In the Baby, however, the cylinder is in .32 caliber (rather than the standard .42) and the central barrel is .41 caliber instead of .63 (and in this specific pistol, the central barrel is rifled, where they are normally smoothbore).
These Baby LeMat revolvers were made under contract for the Confederate Navy, although production was very slow, and the contract was cancelled when even the first shipment of guns have not been receiver many months after it was scheduled. In total, only 100 of the guns were manufactured, and these were inspected and delivered to a Confederate representative in London shortly after the contract was revoked (the CSA agreed to take those guns which had been finished at that point).
Interestingly, I found that the Baby LeMat handles quite well. The standard LeMat is a very heavy and poorly balanced handgun (in my opinion), but the reduced size and weigh of the Baby has an effect on its handling out of proportion to the measurable difference. Perhaps if this had been the standard model for the gun, they would have been substantially more popular on the open market…
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It's to bad when they did the reproduction they only did the larger of the 2. I'd love to have the Baby.
A break open with 9 .38 +1 .45lc (410) would kick ass.
They would sell like hot cakes if they could sell for even a half way decent price ..!!
The Julia Auction house needs to keep it down while Gun Jesus is speaking.....
Amen!
Seriously. It was distracting. I would do another take. Show the man some respect, Julia, the Internet is forever!
Real talk
The son of God, John Moses Browning
In that smaller package I'm surprised it didn't take off,I wonder if uberti will take a look at one,would certainly make a cool gun to replicate
You can unscrew the pommel? Skarllas fans are going to be happy with this.
CZcams is leaking again.
I was thinking the same thing. Finally a weapon where you can actually unscrew the pommel to end someone rightly. :-)
It never dies. Dammit.
Have powder but no bullets? Fire that instead.
spammed999 He's referring to skallagrim's youtube channel. It's a channel mostly about medieval weapons
Looks pretty handy tbh, I'd try to create a modern "tacticool" version of it, with .38 special and .410 for the shotgun barrel. :D
I'm sure if pestered Taurus enough they would make it....and mess it up
Since it's modern steel, .357. 410 is a great idea for the shotgun with the three buckshot load. If it could be brought in under $1200 I would buy one.
Just remember to chamber the center barrel as .45 LC on your records that way you get around the illegal shotgun issue.
That's how Taurus got away with the Judge it's a .45 LC.
410 just happened to fit.
yea i was thinking a 44 mag with a 12 gauge center... lol how ridiculously bad arse would that be.
@@yautja2232 Its muzzle loading so literally doesn't even count as a modern firearm so doesn't fall un under modern shotgun rules.
You do not skip a chamber when shooting the center barrel. The cylinder turns at the start of pulling back the hammer. After firing the center barrel, the hammer is not down far enough to reset so if you pull the hammer back and set the hammer for .32 again, the cylinder has not moved and you have not skipped any chambers.
I always like the LeMat. It looks like something an 1800´s early steampunk adventure-scientist would carry.
I always thought it was a beautiful revolver
My character in a steampunk rpg did carry one, along with a big kuhkri.
If a modern version was made,it would have 9 shots of 357 mag plus a shotgun ,it would be something i would open carry.
@jun. Now that would rock ..! 9 shots of 357 and a 410 shotgun ...!!
Every gun you purchase and own should be tested for "Throw-ability." When you run out of bullets, you throw it at the bad guy. Some guns throw better than others.
man i wish they brought back this design. have it be updated to 357 mag rounds and 410 for the shotgun. if they could sell it at a reasonable price i think it would sell like hot cakes
Shotgun would be nfa
That's fantastic! I demand a replica be produced, Including the ram-rod extension!
KyleNo4Mk2 there are for the big one, run anywhere from 500 used to about 800ish new at Cabela's. I'm waiting for the baby though.
man a modern repro of these with a stock and all in a fine kit box would awesome.
You can tell how well preserved or rather unused this gun is simply from the action, Awesome.
He says "If you would like to have this one yourself"....... If?.... Who wouldn't want it?
Would you have liked to have it for yourself for sixty thousand dollars?
if i can afford it
Ian, great vid. You said by firing the central round in mid cylinder it would skip a round. But when you recocked the hammer after "striking" the central tap for percussion cap, the cylinder didn't rotate and therefore didn't skip a round. Did I skip something or did it actually function properly without skipping?
I think this is a historic moment that will never happen again. ian usually has an amazingly high standard of research and knowledge rarely stating anything without previous research. That's why I love him.
In retrospect, with the hammer in the central firing position it doesn't drop far enough to cause the hand to engage, and thus does not cause the cylinder to rotate. A clever solution, which I did not notice until seeing this comment. Good eye! :)
*CONFIRMED* Ian isn't a time travelling android, programmed to blend in by making gun videos before killing us all. Unless that's just what he wants us to think... O.O
Thank god....or he's the T1500, the T1250 is Jerry
Miculek
Forgotten Weapons In any case, I wonder if the doctrine was to use the shot barrel first in case of ambush, and to flip over to the nine aimed shots afterward.
A practical LeMat, who'd have thunk it.
Beautiful little LeMat. I had a chance to purchase a Lemat full size gun back in '72-'73 I think. It was parts, so I didn't know if any were missing. It was only $300.00 at a gun show and I dearly wanted it, but I was in college and we had to eat instead. I would still like to have a current manufacture for range shooting. I could be wrong but I believe Navy Arms canceled production on these very interesting weapons decades ago. I will eventually be looking for one though. Thanks for the presentation.
Thanks Ian
This was really great! What a beautiful piece. I love these old oddball designs from the 19th century.
один из самых механически красивых револьверов в истории..
one of the most mechanically beautiful revolvers in history ..
Thank you for the video)
OK, that is the perfect thing to make into a modern, cartridge-firing version. .32ACP in the cylinders, .45LC/.410 in the center!
HELL YEAH
Actually, I changed my mind about the .32acp. let's go for .327 federal in the cylinder and .45lc/.410 in the center.
but does it take glock mags
It takes baby glockazines
only 33 round assault glockazines
There's an adapter.
See, no it doesn't, but it does accept 30 caliber magazine clips with a half-second capacity.
yes it can be used as an explosive device
Love your videos! Keep up the amazing work
Man those are super neat revolvers, Thanx Ian.
I love how you pull other models and such out of thin air, I understand it's probably others up for sale but it's fun either way.
Maybe you should start an infinite gun range.
Great vid, Ian and thank you for using the 1st National flag instead of either the square ANV battle flag or the Confederate Naval jack.
Those things are soooo nicely made
In the show westworld on HBO Ed Harris ( the man in black) carries a LeMat centerfire pistol. He uses the second barrel to shoot a man hiding behind a wall. Implying that is fires a more powerful round in that barrel. He actually is shown flipping down the hammer to fire the lower barrel. Happy to see a forgotten weapon in a modern TV show.
Nice pistol ian keep up with the brilliant videos. Well appreciated in England .
That is a really neat little gun!
This is the most elegant of the Le Mats. I agree that if they had started here that they may have created a bigger demand. Why do you suppose they rifled the barrel? Did they have a ball or slug? Was it just to give a bigger spread to the shot?
They were wanted. It was production issues that killed them.
Baby Lamat, WOW!!
holy mackerel...could there be a more complicated, and yet more lovely pistol made for wartime production?
I don't even want to think about how unbelievably valuable that revolver is. A substantially rarer and documented confederate version of an already scarce and desirable pistol, in amazing condition for its age nonetheless. You would be swimming in gold to afford this thing.
Wow, to bad no one sells a replica of that little beauty ..!
everyone is missing the length of the video itself. illuminati confirmed
Never seen one of them before, pretty nice, wish they'd make a replica of one of them. Good video.
Ed R there are for the big one but not the baby.
Just take 2 of these into combat and you're set. You got 18 shots and two shotgun rounds for backup.
I wouldn't mind seeing some vids on the history of the cartridges.
Sir_Godz you mean the cap and balls? Or do you mean in general the evolution of cartridge rounds?
So on the center barrel, I'm thinking you have 9 shots of 32 cal which is pretty effective close range firepower. But then if the need arises you do have one shot of "gigantic horse pistol " caliber for tremendous smack down. Simply load a 42 cal ball in the center instead of shot, hence the rifled barrel. Works for me. *BGM.41
Super-interesting gun... always loved the idea of the LeMats.
I don't know much about muzzle-loading shotguns, so I'd be interested to hear about the process of muzzle-loading buckshot (assuming that's what the LeMat was intended to fire). But I guess since this one has a rifled-barrel it was intended to shoot slugs?
Love it when a firearm shows up that I've never even heard about never mind read about.
that's surprising, considering it's a pretty famous revolver.
Knew the LeMat,not the baby.
The LeMats with the spur on the trigger guard were my absolute favorite revolver design but this one is a close second; at least of the civil war era designs
1855: we made secondary shot revolver!
2021: where is future secondary shot revolver?
Gosh, that' a little dandy. Superb.
I really wish Uberti would make a copy of this cuz I would totally buy one in a heartbeat
What a Lovely wee Firearm! I wish we made more things like that nowadays
So is this going to be in Battlefield: Civil War?
Nah, they'll find some madman's drawings of a handheld Gatling gun and put that in the game.
I can imagine the Treeby "Chain Gun" being in such a game. Also, there was an automatic (self-cocking) revolving rifle that would have existed at the time. The 1855 Mershon & Hollingsworth rifle.
Yall were joking but I'm still waiting for bf civil war
@@agoddamngrapefruit3092 I can just smell the controversy.
Political troublemakers would have a field day kicking off about historical representation/revisionist history.
@Ryan Yarnevich true, too many people would get butthurt about it.
Though wasn't there a history channel civil war game?
that thing is super cool
Would you be able to screw off the barrel and replace the cylinder as another way to reload this revolver? 🤔
It’s definitely one of my favourite revolvers of the West, very interesting and ambitious design, it surprises me that some of this technology used in these early weapons prior 1869 weren’t adopted/improved upon in later guns...
Told bad Pietta and Uberti don't make a reproduction of that smaller one:(
That would be a good survival gun
Very cool!
Ian... 😎 There was a TV series That Walter Brennan was in, it featured a cartridge revolver that had a shotgun ( la Mat ) like feature. As a kid I always assumed that it was a Hollywood fantasy.
If it was a real gun, what was it?
Tanx and keep up the good work. ..
Did these Lamats have a bad chainfireing issue . Did they use #11 caps on both revolver and shotgun barrels
so sick
I have always wanted one of the reproductions. I think it would be a cool edc.
Couldnt you fire the center pipe first as well? Dorsnt matter if the cylinder turns if all chambers is loaded?
Could you get your hands on the leMat revolver prop from westworld. To showof how they did it if it could work or not???
I would think it's equally effective if not more so to fire the center barrel first on a Le Mat especially in close quarters. Just a thought.
You think we maybe able to get a reproduction model ? I think it would neat to shoot. Just change the center barrel to .45 / 410 and the cylinder in .31 or .32 long or short.
.327 Federal.
Need a replica of this for Cowboy Action Shooting!
LeMat's are just gorgeous guns! 😊 - perhaps a little bit "steampunkish" at one hand, but otherwise they stand emblematic for the real concept of the pocket artillery! BUMM.... sea ya later, alligator! 😄
I wonder if they make repos of that like they do the full size. I would love to have one to take to the range on black powder night.
Someone forgot to close a door somewhere, because I can hear people talking throughout the video.
You keep referring to the baby as an early style, but it appears to pretty much match the 2nd gen. LeMat.
Has anyone described a tactical use of these guns. I could imagine situations where the shotgun would make a good opening salvo - such as dealing with crowds where a lees lethal "look at me" might be useful.
I would prefer this rather than the bigger gun of this style. Just seems handy and with more controllable recoil.
what does B on the cylinder stand for also do the parts for the centre barrel fit together snugly because I can see someone leaving the front section on the barrel
upon reading the description of the gun the B or an M on the cylinder is the initial of the final inspector.
with the la matt pistol can you keep a cap on nipple for the shot barrel?or do you have to put it on right befor firing or could you keep it on well firing the 9 shot cylinder
I like LeMat. Very strange but nice :)
Very nice gun... M
I'm surprised the replica gun industry doesn't try to market the Baby LeMat. I suppose people consider the. 32 caliber too wimpy.
The lower barrel in bird shot could act as shipboard pest control.
I'm not familiar with the Le Mat so could someone tell me why the shotgun barrel is rifled? Is it just for firing a larger ball and if so why is it a grapeshot revolver?
This rifled barrel is an aberration. The standard LaMat's had unrifled shotgun barrels as the secondary. Naming convention, therefore, came from the standard models as they were the far more successful and numerous models.
Now I would buy an Italian reproduction of that "baby" LeMat in a heartbeat
Excellent. I would like to have one. Best
Nice
That's another one that's gonna command a huge price.
How long does it takes to reload the LeMat?
How is the ball not falling out?
Like 5 seconds if you have another loaded cylinder and the ball is like a quarter of an inch thicker than the cylinder hole and you press it down with a ram rod.
Aw, baby LeMat
Are there any practical/ functional differences when gun barrels have octagonal/hexagonal shape instead of a round one?
Not really. It's really just a matter of how much effort they want to put into the machining/milling, since even rounded surfaces are more difficult to achieve that flat straight surfaces.
Only real practical advantage on a non-operating/non-grip surface is adding or removing weight. Generally, you want a light gun, but some guns do benefit from weight in certain places to maintain balance and work against recoil.
Octagonal barrels were stronger.
@@alswann2702 hadn't heard that. I know that barrel blanks back in the day were square, so knocking the corners off was much cheaper than turning the barrel round.
the cylinder did not index after you recocked it after dropping in on the center barrel so you wouldn't have skipped one chamber
is it just my eye or is the grip angle a little more steep on the Baby LeMat
That one is an extremely good shape for being as old as it is must have brought a pretty penny at auction
I'm wondering why didn't they just keep the shotgun barrel length.
Care to explain anyone?
they should still make these
LibertysTeeth83 repros run about 800 if you can find them. Unfortunately it's the larger one.
The "B" must stand for "baby"
from an old rifleman magazine i remember
I wish pietta would make that in .31 and .36.
Could solve the skipping a cylinder problem by firing the shotgun barrel first also. LoL
just saw this handgun while watching the new tv show, Westworld. I was like, " hey, its got a cannon in the center, hey i know this handgun!"
Started rewatching Firefly again and I started seeing the LeMat in that show as well.
Hey Ian, watch the newest episode of the show called Westworld on HBO. Ed Harris uses A LeMat to do some pretty wicked shit!
that loading lever looks like it would break instantly
There were reports of that being a common issue in early models but was later fixed.
Reproduction LeMats are solid.
I likes baby Lemat revolver
in french the t is silent ,likt in croson. that's la may
LeMat really was quite the tinkerer wasn't he? This gun looks rather impractical though because you can lose a lot of important stuff you need to load with.
The regular lemat was the French version of the Colt walker
Do you know if someone makes a conversion cylinder for the baby lemat?
Not that I am aware of.
Where to buy a
working Lemat revolver