First Ride on the New Bike! // Knolly Chilcotin
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Regarding the reach numbers of the new Chilcotin:
Firstly, as Nic mentioned here: 3:05 this is our approach to the new Chilcotin sizing wise. We had a lot of riders who felt this way and the new sizing addresses this.
Additionally - we HAVE moved the frame size transition height up a bit: so, previously a medium would fit say: 5'6" to 5'10": it's now about 1" (25mm) larger in height. So a new Medium would fit around 5'7" to 5'11". The sizing of all the new 2024 models was shifted this way slightly for a couple of reasons:
1) The Tyaughton was actually our most progressive bike geometry wise and all of the full suspension bikes felt "tight" compared to riding the Tyaughton. They are all now much better aligned fitment wise.
2) We needed to create some room in our sizing range for the introduction of the XS frame sizes in our full suspension lineup (i.e. the new Endorphin as well as a new upcoming model). We shifted the sizing slightly to the larger end of the spectrum.
Please see the sizing chart on the Chilcotin website here: knollybikes.com/products/chilcotin-170 and don't hesitate to contact us or any of our resellers with questions.
From all us 5’10 lads, we salute you for the updated geo numbers on the medium!
@@MTB_Corbin as a 5'10 i'd never get the Medium, it doesn't matter what the recommendation says, it's too big at 483 reach, 475 is already on the big side/
@@TheMTBRider96 I guess a lot of it is personal feel. My enduro bike is 460 reach and it feels a bit small (medium) but my e-bike is 485 and that feels better to me but not perfect. Honestly trek does this really well with their M/L sizing. Knollys medium numbers look intriguing…
@@MTB_Corbin it comes down to personal preference and our own proportions
I feel up to 475 with saddle always forward high stack and 32mm stem I can ride and enjoy the ride
Past that I’d rather go for a walk as I’m gonna be a passenger and that’s not fun at all
@@MTB_Corbin go by ETT more so that reach. Everyone is focused on Reach, but ETT should not be overlooked. You'll see that ETT is "reasonable": market leading - yes - but not extreme.
The way that Knolly lined up the top tube into the seat stay and how the down tube flows into the chain stay makes that a beautiful bike!
That bike looks awesome ! What happened to the AXS drive train?
Forgot the battery at home?
😂
I wasn’t a fan. I’ll do a video soon
Was just gonna ask :-)
While admittedly that is too much bike for me, I have to admit that it sure is one of the best looking bikes I've seen in a while. And you handle those wet, gnarly trails very well with it.
Back to back setup and ride. Nice work.
It was a beautiful bike as it was being assembled in the shop; it’s more beautiful on the trails!
Such a beautiful trail and a beautiful bike.. precision riding Nick 🤙
Surprised to see you go back to a non-360 angle! Maybe you got the Ace Pro? Either way, I like this view a lot.
Your riding style is awsome! Never stop🤙
Love the colour! Nice riding!
I wish I had trails like Corkscrew near where I live. Looks like the perfect blend of jank and flow.
Your bike is legit the longest bike we’ve had to photograph in our studio 😜
FLATS!! LOVE IT!
Sweet rig bro
Thing looks amazing, the 155 for WA and a fork/shock combo to set 170/170 to run up to BC is the business
Beautiful bike, rides great from what I see. Waiting for a BIKE CHECK video!
From the shots you posted on IG this bike really looks like it fits you!
I much prefer this insta360 camera angle! Feels more traditional and immersive rather than so blown out. Thanks for the video!
Finally more people with same thoughts. Didn’t know he was on I360. But the video is so much more good.
It's the Insta360 Ace Pro and it looks SO MUCH better 🙌
For sure ✌️
You're not a hardcore PC gamer then. We LOOOVE a high degree FoV.
@@Tequila628Has zero with gaming in comparison. It’s a matter of looking at a video and get a depth feel of the terrain and what actually the speed is. With this 150 depth of field in a bikeride vs a game is like comparing apples and tomatoes 🤣
Bike looked nice and smooth soaking up all the bumps and chatter.
Over forked, it may not be a zippy climber, or at 170 travel configuration. But that's where the 155 version would fit in, i imagine. It's pretty cool that you could have 2 bikes with just a shock fork change
Such a sick bike! Looks great, did you ever get time on those Lewis brakes?
The bike is awsome too.
I really don't need a new enduro frame right now. But if I did, this would be on the shortlist.
great video! im waiting for the bike check ;) are you running inserts ???
cusccore front and rear
Please do more fuller videos like this.
Yeah. Hopefully Boostmaster told him it was better for the audience that way 🎉
The new Chilcotin looks pretty sweet. Build kits have solid parts with no junk. My only complaint is the mismatched fork/shock brands on a couple of the builds as my OCD cannot handle that. I would parrot what VanCan said, do not be afraid of the longer numbers. The Medium Chilcotin numbers are very close to my Medium Canyon Strive CFR (wheelbase within 1mm, reach on CFR is up to 485, stack is within a few mm, strive is a little slacker, Chilcotin has a slightly shorter seat tube, chainstay is the same as I measured my CFR at 442mm). I am 5'10" and was worried that the long wheelbase and reach might be a hair too long, but I can say I have never felt as right on a bike in terms of confidence and control, so I imagine the Chilcotin would provide a similar experience.
Finally someone not scared of numbers! 😂 I agree with the fork shock combos - I gotta have the same brand or it’s a crime against nature.
Not gonna lie, I’m 5’11” and scared of the 513 reach, across my bikes 475 is on the long side.
I'd hop on one at shop if you can. I find they feel shorter than the number imply. It's not a small bike but it's nothing crazy. At 6ft I chose to go with a large and that fits my riding style well.
I ride a Large Gen 5 and the Medium Gen 6 is bigger in a lot of spots. Based on their recommended sizing (by height) I'm exactly in between. Glad you commented on that aspect.
Same boat...6' on a good day, on L 5th Gen. I also have a Tyaughton that I think fits large but rides absolutely wonderfully! I never question Knollys recommended size when I'm riding, they just always feel so right.
Don't focus on reach - focus on ETT (Effective Top Tube). This will dictate fit much more than the reach measurement will.
If you are 5'11", then for sure you should try out both medium and large to see which fits you best. If you're 5'10", you will probably be happiest on a medium. If you are 6'0" tall, almost certainly you'll be happiest on a large. This - of course - assumes that you have "Very average body proportions" meaning relatively normal inseam length relative to your height, etc...
:D
Aluminum > Carbon... All day, errrry day
Nice camera settings today.
Wonder if he's using the Ace Pro?
I am
nice bike
I can’t take my eyes off this color, it’s so rich. I didn't think I'd like an aluminum bike :)
In the famous words of Dale Stone: 🛎️
Awwwww the image feels so good with the Ace Pro, is this the largest FOV you can get with it Nick?
Beautiful bike. Interested in how you go about setting up that DHX2
Pretty much open things up and click them down until it feels right
ha yeah pretty much the same
Almost 4 years ago you did a video on a SC megatower V1 doing the exact same trails. You were testing the Large frame, and if i recall correctly, you were impressed by how much of a big bike it was (at that time). You ended up with the Enduro, which was bigger i think. My point is, that Large SC was smaller than the medium chilcotin gen6, which is fine, and i get it. My question; isn't the true test of those frames going uphill instead of going down? Because with those geo numbers we know 100% it can rip the downs.
I had come from bmx. So everything felt big 😂 but I’ve also grown as a rider a lot and now that I feel stronger on a mountain bike i prefer bigger bikes than I used to ride.
I’d say for an all mountain bike climbing matters more. For a bike like this you’re almost looking for a DH bike that can pedal.
How do I become a Knolly sponsored rider, and probably more importantly, do they sponsor riders pushing middle age that aren't very good?
Knolly has a grass roots racing program, they also sponsor members of local (to them) trail building organization
100k followers
Hah, me first! I’m older 😀
I'll get in on this question 😂
Always been super interested into the Knolly platform and the suspension. Live down in Washington and the new chilcotin is high on my list for this season. Where can I demo one? Does kinetik another shop in Van have a demo fleet?? Also if i couls get my hands on that pink color.... sold with a chefs kiss!
I’m not sure who has demos just yet, you may need to email Knolly directly. Pink was a limited colour unfortunately!
Great Video. Any thoughts about how this bike compares to your old yt capra(I know its been a while since you had that bike), but im currently riding a 2021 capra carbon and while I have no complaints whatsoever im seriously considering a new knolly because of how good they look and to try out the 4 link suspension
It has been a long time, but if I'm remembering right this gen of chilcotin will be a bigger feeling bike than the Capra with suspension that will feel more plush. I'd say knolly really leans into shore style riding with lots of chunk and YT will be a bit more playful.
I was waiting to see you do some shifting with the Sram GX Eagle AXS transmission, but I’m assuming you took it off because if this bike is mainly downhill focused you won’t need the shifting much
Not extreme enough, this need to be a fixed gear bike.
💀😂
I wasn’t a fan of it. I’ll do a video soon
Interested in brake/rotors combo you’ve got going. I like my SRAM HS2 rotors and was wondering about pairing them with a set of Shimano XTs.
It works well
Cool bike with race face purple handlebar would look even more sick🤘 What's the tyres you got there if may I ask?
Maxxis assegai and dhr ii
I love those 5dev cranks how do you like it.
They’re sick!
Is this maximal field of view setting in insta ace pro?
What’s the name of the trail? That Knolly is dope! Pretty similar geo to the Orbea Rallon. Might have to add this to the short list
Corkscrew Pingu boogieman empress
509mm reach and 637mm stack on a size large is outrageously large, can't expect this thing to feel much more nimble than a Buick from the 80s. I'm excited to see you euro turn down the steeps with that monster 😂
Hopefully you can tell from this video that even if a large looks huge on paper, it rides the shore very well!
The stack is actually kinda low for that reach, especially with Commencal pushing into the 650s on their XLs, even the 3 year old RM Altitude is in the 640s on their XL
People were whining (including myself) that they had way too low stack but you're not happy its now a little bit higher? 😅 Its still low compare to my banshee but it would be good with some spacers (thx to those high reach numbers it would still feel good) and a riser bar! Would just need external cable routing like the older ones and a proper mullet 165+mm warden could be my next bike! Got to keep that real geo with a smaller wheel! I hate internal routing but gotta say, knolly is the best one I had... Banshee being so horrible that I am selling mine because of this! 😮💨
I was wondering what happened to the SRAM T type transmission from the build video?
I talk about it in my bike check. Just posted it to Patreon and will be on the channel in a little over a week !
Hey Nic, what happened to the Sram T-type setup?
I’ll do a video soon
looks sick. was already flipping between deciding on a transition spire or knolly chilcotin. this update competes directly with the spire, but has features i like better: i think this is my next bike :D
- will the frame fit a 220mm rotor in the back?
- dual crown?
- can the frameset be purchased with a different shock (like your dhx2)?
You can confirm with Knolly but:
220 rear shouldn’t be an issue (it’s a pm180)
You can dual crown it
I think if you ask they’ll swap one in for you!
@@VanCan amazing!
DHX2 Factory is in inventory. Same price as Float X2 Factory :) Just let us know and we can get you set up!
@@noelbuckley sick noel :)
Mount Seymour... guess it makes sense why there having a bum ski season
what is the weigh in the complete bike?
no insta360 today? love the content
It’s the insta360 ace pro! Link to it in the description ;)
Where is the GX t-type sutff? Looks like you have a cabled shimano shifter on the bar. Cool bike BTW.
Had to take it off. I’ll do a video soon
@@VanCan I just moved from XTR to t-type but havne't gotten a ride in yet. Pretty curious how it works. Of course, the XTR stuff is amaing.
I live in the southeast and I'm primarily looking for a bike to ride the enduro trails at Windeock and double black in Pisgah. My question is would the 155 be enough bike or should I go up to the 170?
Hard to say since I’ve never ridden that area, but I hear it’s gnar! In that case the 170
Your build video and the article on the PB website has me intrigued about this bike. The super boost rear hub spacing and some comments regarding it being crazy long are still a concern. I don't really want to have to buy a new hub and rebuild my WAO rear wheel. Andy I'm kind of in between M and L on most bikes. Also, what's the weight like on that beast?
Im 6ft and on a larger, it's not a small bike but it's also not as huge as the numbers seem. I'm not sure about my build, I've got lots of heavy stuff on it like DD tires and double cushcore, but I believe the stock medium build was 34.5.
@@VanCan 34.5lbs on an alloy enduro bike is pretty light. That's literally what my carbon RM Altitude weighs with cushcore in the back only.
@@VanCan Going through the geo it looks like I should be good on a medium. And I think 34.5 is pretty decent for a stock bike with that much travel. Hmm. Might have to go for it. Thanks for the info.
No problem! You can always double check weights and sizing by contacting knolly, they're very friendly!
Really quiet bike, not much else going on besides the tires, maybe a little fork squish? - Oh, wonder what they'll do with a new Fugitive, the new Endorphin sort of took it's space...?
Keep an eye out for more bikes 😉
There have been six generations of Chilcotin? I must have missed some. I was thinking there were 3 including this newest release.
this is V3 of the chilcotin but the 6th generation of bikes they've built
@@VanCan Well that sure is confusing. Is that explained anywhere on the Knolly site?
I noticed you changed to an xt transmission. Were you having problems with that new sram one?
I was. I’ll do a video soon
@@VanCan waiting for that one!
Sorry Nick I didn’t watch the bike build video me 7 Friends Took our chance to go out street riding yesterday before The UK went back to its normal weather wind and rain 😂😂 but wow she looks absolutely. beautiful specially those cranks arms are a piece of art
I'm 6ft (183cm) and judging by reach, stack and effective top tube length, I would very much prefer the size M over the size L. I had bikes with over 500mm of reach and they just felt too long for me, both standing up and sitting down.
I’d normally say that too but I really like my large.
Looks like another Canyon strive with those reach numbers
@@VanCan I bet you do :) It's all a matter of personal preference anyways.
Yeah i am curious as well. I am 5'11" and was on the last gen warden with 500mm reach and then got on the now last gen Chilcotin with 490mm or reach all in large. I would be curious how it fits with the 509mm reach and only .1 degree steeper seat tube angle. Definitely a try before you buy I think.
I'd hop on a large at shop and I think you might be surprised that it doesn't feel as crazy as the number imply. I had on a large previous gen chilcotin and warden and I much prefer this new large.
Is it a special color, didn't see that option on their site?
Team edition colourway only.
It was a small first batch that’s all sold out unfortunately!
How many kg/pounds does it weigh?
Really thinking about this for my next bike what Size shock does it run
205x65
@VanCan shit lol just got new vivid 230×62.5 next year then keep up awesome works enjoy ur videos
@@VanCan So going to guess that the 155mm version is just de-stroked to 60mm? or running a 185x55?
Anyone know what pedals he's running? Thanks!
chromag dagga
Where do we get the pink version?
It was a limited edition and sold out already. We might have to pressure them for more pink bikes!
@@VanCan yeah man please do! Or purple. I'd def buy a pink or purple 💜
Can you mullet the Chilcotin? Or is there a mullet on the way?
Watch this space - we'll have a MX specific option in the near future, just in time for WBP opening :)
Thanks Noel. I'm very interested. Also is this pink colour exclusive and custom? On the website I can't see it as an option.@@noelbuckley
@@noelbuckleythats a bit late, people are shopping bikes right now, during winter! I was supposed to buy a Kavenz but now, waiting to see the new HP sight but I'm already late a bit... You guys should at least just give all the infos but say something like only available this spring or summer, for potential buyers to know! 😊
I take it, you weren’t a fan of the GX Transmission??
I've seen the GX Transmissions break, so maybe it was that?
@@kingflynxi9420mine has been working flawlessly… I was just wondering how/why Nick switched it out.. 🤷♂️
I was not a fan. I’ll do a video soon
💪🤝❤
how does the rear suspension feel compared to your gen 5 Chilcotin?
Pretty similar but a bit smoother with all bearings. A little more progression. And a little more pedaling support
@@VanCan Do you happen to know what the progression curve is on it? I wonder if it's sitting in the upper 20s like the Transition Spire and Specialized Enduro or the upper 30s to low 40s like the RM Altitude (Altitude is 42% in the most progressive setting).
Me Likey.
So is there anything you dont like about this version?
Not that I can think of !
The reach and stack seems very niche, very long and low front end. I normally ride a size L in most bikes at 5'10" and this bike would be bigger than I'd normally ride in a size medium. My current bike actually does follow the trend of high front ends, it's a RM Altitude in size L with 474 reach and 638mm stack in the fully slack position.
Usually you want long chain stays compared to rear Center (without a excessive Anti Squat)
But Knolly did it the other way around
Aluminum > Carbon
Not huge? It has the same huge wheelbase in XL as my Forbidden Dreadnought that I consider a tank of a bike 😂
On paper vs feel. It’s definitely not a small bike but I’ve also ridden bikes that feel bigger
@@VanCan Sure of course you are right, but I do think the stats on paper give a good hint to what it might feel like. Would love to try one. They look really good without the crooked top tube now. I do like to settle around 500 reach and 650 stack. This has a lot more reach and less stack, always curious how that rides.
may i have one?
For sale now 😉
@@VanCan the point is i dont have the money....
as bikes get heavier, chromolly steel returns .
As an engineer, that cantilevered bottom bracket just looks odd. They must have seriously beefed up the metal around there (heavy) to compensate.
It's not cantilevered... a specialized enduro is, because the pivot is in front of the BB, this one is behind the BB and supports it.
Why do they use the superboost spacing in the rear, just makes it annoying to fit normal wheels to it.
That’s pretty much the only thing that’s keeping me away from this bike
unless you have a high end wheelset already then it shouldn't keep you from getting one as most shops/wheelbuilders have no issues getting them. You can also find some good clearance deals on wheelsets as the are less common.
The spacer kit has been fine on my v5, but redishing and buying a 0 offset ring was annoying. I've had 3 frames and 6 rims I've built on the same hope hub, it's the most expensive piece of a wheel set and there's no reason to replace it. I wish 157 didn't exist.
Hi. Why can’t you keep posting videos in this format instead of "want to look like star wars" filter? Is it because you use gopro now instead of insta360? With the uber ultra view all depth and feedback lacks big time on them.
Please keep it like this. So much more pro and viewable. ✌️
This is the insta360 ace pro, their newest camera.
Looks dope and wish you keep or at least make 50/50 or more in same format 🔥🙏🏼
Reach numbers sound like only expert riders and above need apply. And why does Knolly insist on such low stack heights? I had the last gen Chilcotin and thought it was the least fun bike I’ve ever had. I’ve had a Delirium T and a Podium and loved both. I’d like to have another Knolly but not with those nutty geo numbers. Sorry.
Stack height is higher on this gen. I’m 6ft and ride a large and all I can say is don’t knock it till you try it.
I was looking at the numbers and even a small would be too big for me. Still very smexy!
I’d still demo one if you have a chance. They don’t fit as big as the numbers imply
157 keeps me from buying.