One of the underrated parts about homestuck is thats its basically impossible for you to hold all of it in your head at once, so even when you go back and rewatch/reread parts you can be surprised again at plot twists and shit. For instance, I always forget that Bro was deadass fighting Jack using lil cal and apparently holding his own.
Makes sense when you consider the theory Dave brings up when he's talking to Dirk that Caliborn was using Cal to influence Bro. Probably imparted some of his strength onto him as well. Or just the fact that Cal is a juju was enough.
@@skreemixles5344 well yeah, but he wasn’t a god YET, he died when Jack became actually god. Not putting down Bro’s acheivement of literally holding his own against the supposed last boss though, the king is supposedly insane like the queen so yeah.
@@cheeseyam5991 Currently they explain it to you on the webcomic. Terezi with her powers of "Seer of Mind" and the help of a third person (Snowman), foresees that if they give the royal ring (It gives the powers of the Sprites to the carapacians) Jack could lose control and go on a genocidal campaign, so Terezi convinces Karkat to destroy the ring instead of giving it to Jack. I only say that Jack is the kind of person who could kill his ally in cold blood when he has no use for them or when they do something to piss him off a lot. It doesn´t mean that he can´t feel positive emotions or loyalty (as it has been shown in the comic), but with his relationship with the trolls it gives me the feeling that he didn´t have such feelings towards them or at least not the level of loyalty and camaraderie that Karkat felt towards him for sharing the same color of blood.
I just now realized that Beq's attempt to "save" Jade destroyed the entire planet. Like his attempt was mega overkill and put her in more danger. This is probably why Doc Scratch thinks animal first guardians are inferior lol
to be honest i think bec's intervention was probably necessary, as a meteor that size would have left a huge fiery crater like the one on the battlefield in descend at best or shattered/detonated the planet at worst. by breaking it up into little pieces he kept the planet intact for the exiles and also bought a few precious seconds for jade to realize she had to fire her gun
It took me 30 seconds to realize the implications of what would happen when I first saw it and then I was like "no.... No no no, FUCK YOU NONONONONONOOOOOOO!!!!
" Welp, you guys are probably fucked." is what I thought when I watched this, mainly because I had no fucking idea what anything was because SOMEHOW I hadn't seen anything related to homestuck until the can flash. Now I know that they are fucked.
I remember watching this the first time and I was just like "wow how are they gonna stop Jack?" only to realise later that they just can't. Ballsy move by Hussie to write in an unbeatable boss and incorporate it as much as he did.
Nick Holman I'm a cat person too, but Jaspers had to be prototyped _twice_ for that to happen. Also, Bec is inherently stronger, since he is omnipotent and Jaspers isn't.
The 8-bit sounding theme when the trolls are about to claim their prize always gives me goosebumps. I'm not sure why, but this flash makes me tear up a little.
Not only did they switch the music style entirely to show that they were in a different universe, they went with a chiptune ditty that sounds like the sort of song that would play after beating the final boss of an old videogame to show that the Trolls had just finished off the Black King.
Okay but major props to Aradia who had the sense to fucking bail. All the others would either be like 'i'ma fight him' or just follow the ones who would've fought. I guess you could say she was Maid for the job! (If you're not caught up I'm sorry you don't get the joke)
If they didnt bail, nothing of this shit eould have happened, or it would be a doomed timeline, fucking andrew mixes how time travel and paradoxes work just to mess with our heads
The moment where Bec prototypes himself is probably my single favorite moment in any of the Homestuck animations. Everything about it is executed just right to give that perfect "oh _fuck"_ moment.
For those who were like me and have no idea what happened, here's what happened: Jade had to prototype her sprite before she entered the game, and the way she entered was by shooting down the cat-pinata thing. John was about to prototype it with something random, but Vriska fucked shit up and put him to sleep, leaving seconds before Jade would enter the game with an un-prototyped sprite. Her cat, the First Guardian, an extremely powerful being that wields power over the Green Sun, acted quickly and prototyped itself. However, every time a sprite is prototyped, it gives some kind of power and characteristic to the main enemy of the game, which is Jack Noir in this case. Jack became this all-powerful shit-fucker and entered the troll's session as they were about to win, somehow. Aradia was able to get them all out before he killed everyone, but he managed to kill dream-Karkat and Dave's bro, and destroy Prospit. On the bright side, Jade entered the game. *EDIT* IT'S A DOG NOT A FUCKING CAT
+PreparedAgate9 It may be the sovereign slayer, but he see's the resemblance and who they are as the same person, is what the symbolism is there, as you can see the appearance flash back and forth between them. When they met, he made sort of a blood pact with Jack in his universe. And since as Karkat himself had said earlier in the series in his own troll way, his emotions are more finely tuned, so you can actually see him a bit hurt at the thought of it. For the short time he had, it's basically like watching a trusted friend betray and heartlessly try to destroy you and everything you worked for without a second thought... And it's delivered fairly nicely. M. Night Shyamamalama needs to take notes from Hussie. He delivers scenes more powerfully with such limited means. It also helps that he doesn't have his head shoved up his own ass.
+Torrallon Medan Ohhh yeah, I see what you're talking about. But is it me or do you see the spade sign in the back because thats the sign of spades slick or does Karkat have a calignous crush on him?
God, 11 years later and I still get the same feeling of horror when Becquerel prototypes himself. This song came to me in a dream last night, and I had to revisit. I have such good memories of this comic.
That single moment is so tough to find anything comparable to in other works - so many plot threads all converged in an instant when you realized exactly how today was the day they fucked everything up.
For me, it only hits when I see it affect Jack and the ring... at first it feels like Bec making a sacrifice, as if prototyping made him more powerful, or as if he understood he was the only option that would work (being that Vriska likely wouldn't accept any other). But then when we're reminded that this power is similarly offered to all their enemies, it just gives me chills...
I really love the attention to detail they gave to Karkat's short scene. It's one of the few times in Homestuck when a character blinks, moves, changes. Karkat is abrasive, but he's actually one of the most sensitive trolls, and he even makes friends _too_ easily. That's why I love this scene and his tears in [S] Collide. When he's alone, all the barriers drop.
@@ennui7266 it arguably was going to end anyway whether they played or not, and since Sburb was a global release thanks to Jake Harley, it's likely that many other humans got out as well, so not _everyone_ died.
@@Templarfreak ACTUALLY as revealed in pesterquest, john failing to get his copy and them not playing causes every copy worldwide to fail resulting in a doomed timeline where everyone lives (except for prospit apparently). The four kids end up as a group of losers that will never achieve anything great, although the world does not end.
Fun fact that probably no one cared about: The melody from 3:07 on is Carefree Victory. I don't know the name of the specific track that's playing, but that's the base melody and it's sO FEELSY BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME JADE'S EVER SEEN SNOW.
If Vriska hadn't kept the time loop stable by allowing Bec to be prototyped, the alternate timeline would have involved Gamzee killing everybody. So while it is her fault for putting John to sleep, it could (and would) have been much worse if she hadn't.
the whole Bec situation is the fault of like a bazillion different characters depending on how you interpret events. it could be said that it was Dave's fault because he alchemized a copy of Rose's MEOW journal just before the gods in the furthest ring told her to burn it. this, in turn, provided Droog with the genetic code to combine with the dog Haley in order to create Bec in the first place. or you could say it's the fault of Jade/Jake for making the bunny that allowed Jack to overthrow the Black Queen and take her ring... or maybe it's AR's fault for refusing to give PM the package and making her go through a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense while Jack remained in possession of the box. it could even be John's fault for losing the package in the first place when, if he had just asked his dad to get it out of the car like a normal kid back in act one, the whole plot thread of what happened to it wouldn't be relevant at all. Karkat also considers all of this to be his fault because he was the one who started the trolling campaign against the kids, which in turn led the kids to disregard all the trolls' attempts to communicate in good faith for way longer than they otherwise would've, thus preventing the trolls from properly warning the kids about what was to come. and in a more meta sense, Karkat is convinced that he messed up the frog breeding when he and Kanaya were creating the human universe, which could also be credited to the curse that Karkat believes he's under. if you buy into this theory, the whole thing might even be Sollux's fault for making that virus... though Sollux already blames himself for developing SGRUB into a playable game in the first place, even though he couldn't have known the true consequences of what he was doing at the time. and sure, there's the Vriska thing, but her transgression is just the one with the most active intent out of all of them... she did what she did specifically so that she would be responsible for the creation of Bec Noir, which still makes her a huge asshole whether that fate could've/should've been changed or not. and friggin... Gamzee. the fact that he would've gone crazy and murdered everyone in an alternate timeline doesn't mean that he didn't go crazy and murder several trolls anyway in this one, and in neither case was he at all helpful.
@@asaltedpudding4041 yeah... I struggle to really track Doc Scratch's influence, mostly because he could conceivably mess with anyone in any way he wants at any time, and a lot of his manipulation is revealed long after the fact in causal ways, but I don't doubt that he had a hand in a lot of this.
So this flash is about caretaker of the Earth destroying everything he was protecting for like more than a million years for the girl he knows for ~13 years. Isn't that amazing?
I was a tiny bit confused about why Vriska put John to sleep in the first place, but everything else I followed pretty well considering how long it's been haha
Sometimes I think about what Homestuck was and wonder why, and then sometimes I rewatch [S] Cascade, or [S] Collide and I remember what it was all about. It’s fun to shit on for sure, but it was complex, deep, and tackled some difficult subject matter. I only wish that one day I can write something as simultaneously crazy and intricate as Homestuck.
Obviously it would be something very difficult to write but I'm sure you have very good ideas, in fact, good ideas there are many, too many, some even much more incredible than homestuck, but making people see that your idea is a good idea is what hardest of all, but don't give up, maybe one day you'll be able to do something genuinely good that even though it's not well known you'll still be satisfied with how great it is
Jack and Spade are two different people, the same base but born in different universes, if you catch my drift plus, the exile computers are shown to be sort of like low-key manipulation, so maybe Karkat thought that he was hating himself (which is also fucked, but still) also, I forget most of the smaller details, did Karkat know that Spade was his exile and that he was the one entering thoughts into his brain?
When i first read Homestuck, I was reading it on my iPad, which can't play flashes of course. I just skipped them all. I was like "they probably aren't that important, just cool little pages with songs" Then i got a computer, and this was the first flash i watched. And OH MY GOD IT BLEW MY MIND needless to say, I felt like an idiot and went back and watched the rest lol
Gotta love the attention to detail in Homestuck, it makes you value it more in rewatches. I think most people would have made the mistake of having Bec Noir have the same character model throughout the whole flash, but because Hussie had already planned Cascade by this point, he makes the distinction of having the Bec Noir that is fighting Bro and Davesprite have a clean hand, and the one who attacks the trolls have the bloodsoaked hand. This is also a clue for the current reader that these Becs are not the same and are from different times (common thing in Homestuck)
1:25 - 1:29 is soooo underrated. Yeah yeah meteors but the scale of it now with what was done. Because here is where the earth truly dies from the massive tsunamis brought about by Bec trying to protect a 13yr old girl.
i’m in 2024 watching this right now and I always wish that the plot could’ve gone a certain different way in hindsight. But the story and how it actually went down made it way more dramatic and interesting. I’ll never forget the characters of homestuck and what the story did for me.
actually bec probably knew it was going to happen (he has near omnipotence cause he is a first guardian)and vriska wanted to see the full extent of her powers on the humans an john was right there so why not?and actually the bec thing did doom the timeline.... but they scratched witch erased that timeline..... so there was a new timeline so shenanigens
zxcvbwolf I just read a Formspring post by AH that says that Bec isn't near-omniscient like all the other first guardians, because of his dog DNA. I think he just did it to save Jade.
Can we appreciate at 1:20 where the explosion was traveling and expanding so fast it reached a point in the world where it was day *chef kiss* delicious 😤👌
There's something about the way Homestuck is written. Like a video game, it introduces different mechanics of its world, like prototyping and first guardians. And then those mechanics are combined, in the most awesome ways possible. I never cease to be amazed at the particular moment of Bec's prototyping, how much power is translated through that scene, by the combination of the music, animation, and the reader's previous knowledge of Bec and prototyping.
Pros : Jade is saved Cons : Jack is much more powerful John fell asleep to an ocean of oil The trolls are doomed. Bro and Davesprite is dead. Less motivation for Dave
Why I didn't remember this [S]? Is really amazing. And this is how one of the big problems of the Homestuck Universe/s (? appeared. "CG: YOU MADE AN UNBEATABLE BOSS IS WHAT YOU DID."...but really, Vriska did that D:, she's culprit, why she did that!? I can't remember a reason... The ending is cute
Jack was already alive in her timeline wrecking shit. If Vriska HADN'T made him what he was, then it would have just made a doomed timeline and everything would have been for nothing.
Another thing is the fact that they would need jade to gain jacks powers in order for them to go to alpha human timeline. Without that they wouldn't have been able to help them make their universe (should they get that far) plus it's directly linked to the creation of the green sun etc etc... There's sooooooo many reason XD
Biggest mindfuck of all: That green box, the one Jack used to kill the queen and begin the doomed timeline to begin with? That came from the universe created as a result of scratching the universe because it was doomed thus creating the universe in which the box could be sent back to begin with by which I mean as a result of.
This flash give me the most bone-chilling When bec prototype himself When jack transform into bec noir Sadness and betrayed feeling in Karkat face And lofaf
At this point, Chapter 5 hadn't really been that amazing to me. When I saw Bec getting prototyped I was like "Oh crap. Terrible crap. All of it. All of the crap." I'm just now past this point and still wondering what's gonna happen!
I have no clue what's happening but this is the coolest/trippiest thing I've ever seen. Edit: it’s at this point I should point out I have never read homestuck so I have no context for what I have seen.
I think this is still my favorite Homestuck animation. The song, Bec being prototyped and Jack gaining the Bec powers, the scene with the trolls being attacked... I remember being really blown away by it at the time. I think it was one of the first ones I saw after catching up on the whole thing too.
It still surprises me that Karkat is Prospit, not Derse, he's so negative that I thought, for sure, he'd be Derse since I think Derse usually holds the more negative/serious characters.
In general, Prospit dreamers tend to be more positive, and I think that holds true for Karkat. He was optimistic that they could all win the game together even though it was literally manufactured on the basis of them killing each other off. His general rude attitude and negativity was more a projection of his insecurity/result of them failing. They also tend to be agree with or associate with authority, so of course the leader of the group would be Prospit.
But... But we don't NEED a threat to all reality though? I mean think about it dude, not counting the Cherub session, the entire comic takes place in three game sessions and two universe. "all of reality" this does not encompass! Even if it did! English never actually did anything to hurt the realities, he only consumed them /after they had already died/ He may have orchestrated that death yes but we have no reason to believe he actively killed them. If you want an antagonist that affects all of reality, look no further then the game itself at the start of the comic, the dang thing kills planets to give birth to universes. If you really want a reality-affecting antagonist there it is right there!
@@inkblade5993 Well yeah, but we could have had the game as an antagonist without the need for some pointless green hulk that everyone starts obsessing over for no reason.
Can we all appreciate the sheer _skill_ Bro has for a second? Guy's fighting this eldritch shadow demon with little more than his Unbreakable Katana, all the while *still* shadow-puppeting Cal, just as he did when Strifing Dave! And it's even implied he _still_ put up a fight after Bec's prototyping! Sure, Davesprite's helping and all, but you can't deny he's got a high level of skill, _and_ that he's awesome as fuck.
Completely agreed. The fact that Bro was able to not only face Jack in that state, but seemingly keep him on the back foot even (To be fair, with Davesprite) is impressive as well. I genuinely believe they may have won too if Bec didn't do a Bec.
This was such a crazy moment. Up until now the trolls have been so pissed about this “unkillable boss”, this unstoppable monster that came from the kids’ universe, and I was so confused about what they were talking about. There was Jack, and he was strong, but unkillable seemed a stretch, it just didn’t make sense. And as soon as Bec jumped into the kernalsprite… all I could think was “Oh”.
Interesting that it's never the meteors directly that does the species in. In the troll's universe, one of them hits Gl'blolybg, causing the vast glub. In the human's universe it's Bec's attempt at destroying the meteor that razes humanity. Had the meteor actually hit, the frog temple wouldn't be around in the future.
If Bec Noir did not rise to power, the Green Sun would have not been created. Which is a paradox as the Green Sun gave Bec the First Guardian powers. If the Green Sun was not created, who knows what state reality would been in.
+GumChewer exactly. afaik someone made a paradox version of bec with the 'Meow' code and then he was created and sent to the earth. or something like dat?
There's two kinds of paradox- the ones that are impossible to create but stable once they exist and the ones that are "easy" to create but impossible to resolve, like the grandfather paradox or the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. its worth noting that homestuck has plenty of the former but not a single example of the latter. every paradox in homestuck is self-sustaining. food for thought.
Yeah, when situations become impossible to resolve the timeline is doomed. But since those doomed timelines then become vital to the Alpha, those supposedly impossible timelines actually become vital to the supposedly possible timeline and it all becomes this one self-sustaining mess. For instance, when Dave goes back to save the Sburb disk from being stolen and dies, his corpse becomes an important element of the Alpha because it keeps Dave from dying there. The doomed timeline is needed for the Alpha to function properly, and so it all works out in the end (or... is it the beginning?). Anyway that got really long, sorry.
I will forever love the perspective shot where when Bec starts destroying the meteor it seems relatively small... And then it's shown by the side and it's fucking *HUGE!*
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One of the underrated parts about homestuck is thats its basically impossible for you to hold all of it in your head at once, so even when you go back and rewatch/reread parts you can be surprised again at plot twists and shit.
For instance, I always forget that Bro was deadass fighting Jack using lil cal and apparently holding his own.
For as much as bro sucked, no one can deny he was strong as fuck and he died fighting for the right thing
HE WAS FIGHTING WHILE USING LITTLE CAL! I JUST REALIZED THAT!
And what do you mean “holding his own”?
@@_deletus_ he meant bro was fighting jack who was basically a god and was holding out strong
Makes sense when you consider the theory Dave brings up when he's talking to Dirk that Caliborn was using Cal to influence Bro. Probably imparted some of his strength onto him as well. Or just the fact that Cal is a juju was enough.
@@skreemixles5344 well yeah, but he wasn’t a god YET, he died when Jack became actually god. Not putting down Bro’s acheivement of literally holding his own against the supposed last boss though, the king is supposedly insane like the queen so yeah.
Karkats face was not fear, it was sadness and betrayal. :(
Vamdae Luckily it wasn't his Jack
@@cheeseyam5991 It's not as if "his" Jack were a better person or appreciated loyalty more.
Aural4444 the reason karkat felt betrayed was because he saw his universe's jack in bec noir, and let's not forget that karkat is in cahoots with jack
@@cheeseyam5991 Currently they explain it to you on the webcomic.
Terezi with her powers of "Seer of Mind" and the help of a third person (Snowman), foresees that if they give the royal ring (It gives the powers of the Sprites to the carapacians) Jack could lose control and go on a genocidal campaign, so Terezi convinces Karkat to destroy the ring instead of giving it to Jack.
I only say that Jack is the kind of person who could kill his ally in cold blood when he has no use for them or when they do something to piss him off a lot.
It doesn´t mean that he can´t feel positive emotions or loyalty (as it has been shown in the comic), but with his relationship with the trolls it gives me the feeling that he didn´t have such feelings towards them or at least not the level of loyalty and camaraderie that Karkat felt towards him for sharing the same color of blood.
Aural4444 yeah, you're right
I just now realized that Beq's attempt to "save" Jade destroyed the entire planet. Like his attempt was mega overkill and put her in more danger. This is probably why Doc Scratch thinks animal first guardians are inferior lol
Sometimes you forget bec still has the mind of a dog and his top priority is his owner
I mean to be fair a meteor of that size alone was going to destroy the planet regardless.
to be honest i think bec's intervention was probably necessary, as a meteor that size would have left a huge fiery crater like the one on the battlefield in descend at best or shattered/detonated the planet at worst. by breaking it up into little pieces he kept the planet intact for the exiles and also bought a few precious seconds for jade to realize she had to fire her gun
@@BlazeMakesGames Maybe true, but the size of John's meteor should have destroyed at least the whole city, but it only got his house.
@@ParagonOfChaos wdym only his house
It left a humongous crater that destroyed the suburb he was in and from there the apple base appeared
0:45
The moment when Everyone reading Homestuck went "OOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIIIIITT" (or some variation there of.
When I first saw it I was screaming "NO YOU IDIOT YOU'LL MAKE JACK A GOD TO!!!!!!"
I was like OH FUCK SHIT GODDAMNIT
It took me 30 seconds to realize the implications of what would happen when I first saw it and then I was like "no.... No no no, FUCK YOU NONONONONONOOOOOOO!!!!
" Welp, you guys are probably fucked." is what I thought when I watched this, mainly because I had no fucking idea what anything was because SOMEHOW I hadn't seen anything related to homestuck until the can flash. Now I know that they are fucked.
I remember watching this the first time and I was just like "wow how are they gonna stop Jack?" only to realise later that they just can't. Ballsy move by Hussie to write in an unbeatable boss and incorporate it as much as he did.
This flash really shows you how powerful Bec really is; when he jumped into the kernelsprite, he practically *absorbed it*.
the fuck are you talking about.. no he didn't.. the exact same thing happened to everything else that got prototyped
***** Not exactly. Jaspersprite was prototyped twice before entering, and he had a full body too.
***** Well, yes. The others were. I just wanted to point something out.
Nick Holman I'm a cat person too, but Jaspers had to be prototyped _twice_ for that to happen. Also, Bec is inherently stronger, since he is omnipotent and Jaspers isn't.
Nick Holman No, he just gave the genetic code for GCat. He and GCat are two separate cats.
The 8-bit sounding theme when the trolls are about to claim their prize always gives me goosebumps. I'm not sure why, but this flash makes me tear up a little.
Trolls theme really sound like other universe
Yes! Good exaple of musical storytelling, as those characters are in completely different situation
And then the themes merge as Jack enters their session.
When the aftermath of the battle between the Aradia bots and Bec Noir is shown, the chiptune distorts.
Not only did they switch the music style entirely to show that they were in a different universe, they went with a chiptune ditty that sounds like the sort of song that would play after beating the final boss of an old videogame to show that the Trolls had just finished off the Black King.
Okay but major props to Aradia who had the sense to fucking bail. All the others would either be like 'i'ma fight him' or just follow the ones who would've fought. I guess you could say she was Maid for the job! (If you're not caught up I'm sorry you don't get the joke)
oh you!!!!! XD
If they didnt bail, nothing of this shit eould have happened, or it would be a doomed timeline, fucking andrew mixes how time travel and paradoxes work just to mess with our heads
Aradia is the queen of bailing from fights
*jack gonna steal our ending? all these bots are gonna kick him up while our team bails"
thank you for making me choke
AAAAYYYYYYYYYYEEEEE!!
😎👉👉
THE WAY KARKAT JUST SHRINKS DOWN AS JACK IS ABOUT TO KILL HIM AT 2:48 IS SO HEART BREAKING I CAN'T.
They were suppose to be candy red buddies :(
+Aurora Mena Yeah! They were in cahoots:(
Garnet Phoenix
Cahoooooooots!!!!!!!! ::::(
KAHOOT
+Trademarked TrademarkTM You mean...
SPADE BREAKING?!?!
The moment where Bec prototypes himself is probably my single favorite moment in any of the Homestuck animations. Everything about it is executed just right to give that perfect "oh _fuck"_ moment.
so true
For those who were like me and have no idea what happened, here's what happened:
Jade had to prototype her sprite before she entered the game, and the way she entered was by shooting down the cat-pinata thing. John was about to prototype it with something random, but Vriska fucked shit up and put him to sleep, leaving seconds before Jade would enter the game with an un-prototyped sprite. Her cat, the First Guardian, an extremely powerful being that wields power over the Green Sun, acted quickly and prototyped itself. However, every time a sprite is prototyped, it gives some kind of power and characteristic to the main enemy of the game, which is Jack Noir in this case. Jack became this all-powerful shit-fucker and entered the troll's session as they were about to win, somehow. Aradia was able to get them all out before he killed everyone, but he managed to kill dream-Karkat and Dave's bro, and destroy Prospit. On the bright side, Jade entered the game.
*EDIT* IT'S A DOG NOT A FUCKING CAT
Jonathan Hsieh Yeah, after writing this and looking back I was like "shit. It's not a cat."
+Melody Anderson Pretty sure a cat can't be that big :P also we already have a cat in the post scratch universe
yep. preeeeeeeetty much
Remember: god-tier Jade wouldn't be a thing, so props for Vriska
OwO what's this? *dogtier
Haha get it??????????
Karkat's look of pure betrayal just hurts my heart. It's just - OUCH. OUCH.
Ok
TYSON KELL really, just an okay? I mean alright lad, you can comment on anything you want but just an okay?
ok
Reasons everyone loves Jade/Reasons Jade is almost everyone's spirit animal: #1: She wore glasses with a blindfold on
@arachnidsGrip agreed
but why is that a good reason
@@_deletus_ she's a legend
nah the game forced those blindfolds on her, she couldn't take em off even if she wanted to.
@@angelshot9264 still. She's a badass.
When you realise that a quarter of this is just Jade falling.
@Gamzee Makara ok gamzee
Edit: This worked before they changed their name, I swear
Jade: land already!
2:44 you can see the hurt in karkat's eyes when he realizes that Bec Noir was going to kill him. They were buddies😢
No no, this one is the sovereign slayer, you're thinking of spades slick
PreparedAgate9 ooohhh! 😆 thanks for the clear up.
+Dash Of Fresh Air you're welcome :)
+PreparedAgate9 It may be the sovereign slayer, but he see's the resemblance and who they are as the same person, is what the symbolism is there, as you can see the appearance flash back and forth between them. When they met, he made sort of a blood pact with Jack in his universe. And since as Karkat himself had said earlier in the series in his own troll way, his emotions are more finely tuned, so you can actually see him a bit hurt at the thought of it. For the short time he had, it's basically like watching a trusted friend betray and heartlessly try to destroy you and everything you worked for without a second thought... And it's delivered fairly nicely.
M. Night Shyamamalama needs to take notes from Hussie. He delivers scenes more powerfully with such limited means. It also helps that he doesn't have his head shoved up his own ass.
+Torrallon Medan Ohhh yeah, I see what you're talking about. But is it me or do you see the spade sign in the back because thats the sign of spades slick or does Karkat have a calignous crush on him?
God, 11 years later and I still get the same feeling of horror when Becquerel prototypes himself.
This song came to me in a dream last night, and I had to revisit. I have such good memories of this comic.
That single moment is so tough to find anything comparable to in other works - so many plot threads all converged in an instant when you realized exactly how today was the day they fucked everything up.
For me, it only hits when I see it affect Jack and the ring... at first it feels like Bec making a sacrifice, as if prototyping made him more powerful, or as if he understood he was the only option that would work (being that Vriska likely wouldn't accept any other). But then when we're reminded that this power is similarly offered to all their enemies, it just gives me chills...
mroew :3 miaow mrrp meowow
2:16 is hilarious to me. Aradia just tosses all her friends onto a transportalizer.
Y33T
and the way they all just continue standing there as she does it
3:15 basically told me, "The sweet girl has been saved. But at what cost?"
She got sent to the snowy void
I really love the attention to detail they gave to Karkat's short scene. It's one of the few times in Homestuck when a character blinks, moves, changes. Karkat is abrasive, but he's actually one of the most sensitive trolls, and he even makes friends _too_ easily. That's why I love this scene and his tears in [S] Collide. When he's alone, all the barriers drop.
1:28 Nobody seems to care much that everyone in the world dies here. Ouch.
No fucks were given that day.
Well, the world was going to end the moment the kids started playing SBURB anyways
Nerds.
@@ennui7266 it arguably was going to end anyway whether they played or not, and since Sburb was a global release thanks to Jake Harley, it's likely that many other humans got out as well, so not _everyone_ died.
@@Templarfreak ACTUALLY as revealed in pesterquest, john failing to get his copy and them not playing causes every copy worldwide to fail resulting in a doomed timeline where everyone lives (except for prospit apparently). The four kids end up as a group of losers that will never achieve anything great, although the world does not end.
Fun fact that probably no one cared about: The melody from 3:07 on is Carefree Victory. I don't know the name of the specific track that's playing, but that's the base melody and it's sO FEELSY BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME JADE'S EVER SEEN SNOW.
ThePinkPartyHat thanks I didn't know that
It also zoomed out from Jack, which is foreshadowing that Jack imprinted onto her thanks to Bec.
If Vriska hadn't kept the time loop stable by allowing Bec to be prototyped, the alternate timeline would have involved Gamzee killing everybody. So while it is her fault for putting John to sleep, it could (and would) have been much worse if she hadn't.
Of course, that's not the reason she did it tho... which makes it a lot more the dickiest of moves
Sure but she didn't know that
the whole Bec situation is the fault of like a bazillion different characters depending on how you interpret events. it could be said that it was Dave's fault because he alchemized a copy of Rose's MEOW journal just before the gods in the furthest ring told her to burn it. this, in turn, provided Droog with the genetic code to combine with the dog Haley in order to create Bec in the first place.
or you could say it's the fault of Jade/Jake for making the bunny that allowed Jack to overthrow the Black Queen and take her ring... or maybe it's AR's fault for refusing to give PM the package and making her go through a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense while Jack remained in possession of the box. it could even be John's fault for losing the package in the first place when, if he had just asked his dad to get it out of the car like a normal kid back in act one, the whole plot thread of what happened to it wouldn't be relevant at all.
Karkat also considers all of this to be his fault because he was the one who started the trolling campaign against the kids, which in turn led the kids to disregard all the trolls' attempts to communicate in good faith for way longer than they otherwise would've, thus preventing the trolls from properly warning the kids about what was to come. and in a more meta sense, Karkat is convinced that he messed up the frog breeding when he and Kanaya were creating the human universe, which could also be credited to the curse that Karkat believes he's under.
if you buy into this theory, the whole thing might even be Sollux's fault for making that virus... though Sollux already blames himself for developing SGRUB into a playable game in the first place, even though he couldn't have known the true consequences of what he was doing at the time.
and sure, there's the Vriska thing, but her transgression is just the one with the most active intent out of all of them... she did what she did specifically so that she would be responsible for the creation of Bec Noir, which still makes her a huge asshole whether that fate could've/should've been changed or not. and friggin... Gamzee. the fact that he would've gone crazy and murdered everyone in an alternate timeline doesn't mean that he didn't go crazy and murder several trolls anyway in this one, and in neither case was he at all helpful.
@@loregoblin3854 most of those characters were in some roundabout way were tricked by Doc Scratch.
@@asaltedpudding4041 yeah... I struggle to really track Doc Scratch's influence, mostly because he could conceivably mess with anyone in any way he wants at any time, and a lot of his manipulation is revealed long after the fact in causal ways, but I don't doubt that he had a hand in a lot of this.
I love how at 2:14, Davesprite is just like "You have got to be kidding me."
Lol. I didn’t get this until I saw what he was reacting to.
OP Jack Noir
So this flash is about caretaker of the Earth destroying everything he was protecting for like more than a million years for the girl he knows for ~13 years. Isn't that amazing?
Good dog, best friend
I take pride in understanding exactly what is happening, even all these years later.
I was a tiny bit confused about why Vriska put John to sleep in the first place, but everything else I followed pretty well considering how long it's been haha
Sometimes I think about what Homestuck was and wonder why, and then sometimes I rewatch [S] Cascade, or [S] Collide and I remember what it was all about.
It’s fun to shit on for sure, but it was complex, deep, and tackled some difficult subject matter.
I only wish that one day I can write something as simultaneously crazy and intricate as Homestuck.
Obviously it would be something very difficult to write but I'm sure you have very good ideas, in fact, good ideas there are many, too many, some even much more incredible than homestuck, but making people see that your idea is a good idea is what hardest of all, but don't give up, maybe one day you'll be able to do something genuinely good that even though it's not well known you'll still be satisfied with how great it is
Song is called "Umbral Ultimatum" if anyone was wondering.
holy fuck, thank you!
Thank you!!!!= D
SHIT GETS FUCKED : THE HOMESTUCK STORY
bec noir, why did you do this to us bby
CALLED ME?
CRAZY FLYING DOG ALMOST KILLS ME!? STORYTIME
Dingus the Telltale Series
DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID!?
YOU CREATED AN UNBEATABLE BOSS!
Dream Karkat is so cute. I just want to hug him.
Aaaaaaaand, he's dead.
any karkat is cute man i always wanna hug that guy
that doesn't take away the fact that karkat is cute i'd hug his corpse damnit
+Venin Vixen (Abby) He's like a grumpy puppy.
Wanda Kelly *dead
Lmao everyone is talking about how karkat and jack were “buddies” when spades slick himself used the exile computer to tell karkat he hated him.
Jack and Spade are two different people, the same base but born in different universes, if you catch my drift
plus, the exile computers are shown to be sort of like low-key manipulation, so maybe Karkat thought that he was hating himself (which is also fucked, but still)
also, I forget most of the smaller details, did Karkat know that Spade was his exile and that he was the one entering thoughts into his brain?
"you are now logged into discord"
2:06
Jack turned into a furry.
By force.
THANKS VRISKA
+What a Guy personnel*
iUnderstood that reference
shut up i exist now what has been done is already done WOOF
:P
so,jack,hows it gin with ms paint?(pls dont kill me)
02:16 is my favorite part
like seriously
the feels are reel
I feel you too
Reel! You could have said real but you said reel instead!
PSYCH
i will never forget the moment i saw bec enter the kernel. its the IMMEDIATE "oh, THAT'S why karkat says they're all doomed".
Oh the NOSTALGIA at 2:16
It’s so happy and bouncy and innocent
And everyone’s alive and smiling and not dead
2:25 Vriska surely looks jazzed about this situation.
And Gamzee's like: "MoThErFuCkIn' GaSp"
Yeah, and she has reason to.
Well well well well, if it 8n't the consequences of her own 8ctions
"well sh8"
Lmao
When i first read Homestuck, I was reading it on my iPad, which can't play flashes of course.
I just skipped them all. I was like "they probably aren't that important, just cool little pages with songs"
Then i got a computer, and this was the first flash i watched. And OH MY GOD IT BLEW MY MIND
needless to say, I felt like an idiot and went back and watched the rest lol
Danm,,, I always get chills rewatching homestuck flashes,.. They knock me back in time and remind me what is terrific about homestuck
Gotta love the attention to detail in Homestuck, it makes you value it more in rewatches. I think most people would have made the mistake of having Bec Noir have the same character model throughout the whole flash, but because Hussie had already planned Cascade by this point, he makes the distinction of having the Bec Noir that is fighting Bro and Davesprite have a clean hand, and the one who attacks the trolls have the bloodsoaked hand. This is also a clue for the current reader that these Becs are not the same and are from different times (common thing in Homestuck)
Wow really
1:25 - 1:29 is soooo underrated. Yeah yeah meteors but the scale of it now with what was done. Because here is where the earth truly dies from the massive tsunamis brought about by Bec trying to protect a 13yr old girl.
i’m in 2024 watching this right now and I always wish that the plot could’ve gone a certain different way in hindsight. But the story and how it actually went down made it way more dramatic and interesting. I’ll never forget the characters of homestuck and what the story did for me.
the ending made me cry
just
its so sweet
Sarah Emily ohmygod
I wonder if using that doll in the kernelsprite would've doomed the timeline, and that's why Bec and Vriska worked together to stop the prototyping.
William Boysen It would of.... and that is indeed why they did
actually bec probably knew it was going to happen (he has near omnipotence cause he is a first guardian)and vriska wanted to see the full extent of her powers on the humans an john was right there so why not?and actually the bec thing did doom the timeline.... but they scratched witch erased that timeline..... so there was a new timeline
so shenanigens
AkiraSD games The word you're looking for in this context is actually omniscience. Omnipotence is a measure of power, not knowledge.
zxcvbwolf I just read a Formspring post by AH that says that Bec isn't near-omniscient like all the other first guardians, because of his dog DNA. I think he just did it to save Jade.
+DarkmageRector Actually, all iterations of Doc Scratch are special cases. He's omniscient from the magic cueball used in ectobiology.
(s) vriska: Ruin everything
Readers: Sarcastic Slow Clap at Vriska’s-and Homestuck’s- bullshit
She saved every one of being killed by Gamzee due to John being asleep in the long run.
Vriska: Make things less bad.
@@anubiscerberus4348 sure, but did she know that when she was doing it? I don't think so
If i remember correctly, she did it to maje herself a 'hero'
@@CaribouGutSludgeand she sort of did... Not in the way she intended.
Hundreds of times watching this and only now I'm noticing Karkat's nails are golden yellow colored.
trolls naturally have yellow nails, just they naturally have black lips
@@lmnopqrs9797Trolls naturally slay
Can we appreciate at 1:20 where the explosion was traveling and expanding so fast it reached a point in the world where it was day *chef kiss* delicious 😤👌
So far, this has been the most impactful part of Homestuck for me. So much appened and I sat there pogging at most of this.
update us when you get to cascade
@@bensmith6518in my opinion descend and this is better than cascade
@@nyanby did you start reading it recently? If so, nice! I just finished about a month ago.
I loved Descend too ^^
@@bensmith6518 yup im at page 5444
CG: YOU MADE AN UNBEATABLE BOSS IS WHAT YOU DID
There's something about the way Homestuck is written. Like a video game, it introduces different mechanics of its world, like prototyping and first guardians. And then those mechanics are combined, in the most awesome ways possible. I never cease to be amazed at the particular moment of Bec's prototyping, how much power is translated through that scene, by the combination of the music, animation, and the reader's previous knowledge of Bec and prototyping.
Nobody's going to comment on Vriska's creepy smile when Jack slices the Sburb logo in half? No? Okay.
Holy- Yeah, now that you mention it O.o
+Lissie Egbert she wanted to create, and then, defeat him
so of course she smiled
+Lissie Egbert You mean the Sgrub logo, being in the troll's universe.
+RUSTLE MANIA I think she didn't even know of him at that point of time.
AsCiMaToR they had a jack in their universe, of course they knew
ugh I don't even understand Homestuck but I love
Pros :
Jade is saved
Cons :
Jack is much more powerful
John fell asleep to an ocean of oil
The trolls are doomed.
Bro and Davesprite is dead.
Less motivation for Dave
Pros: The timeline didn’t go to shit, preventing Gamzee from killing everyone.
pros:
jade is saved
this song gets a cool flash
cons: everyone on earth fucking died
Davesprite aint die
pros: bro is dead
I'm currently reading Homestuck for the first time and this is by far my favorite animation
i love the scene of the davesprite bro and jack fighting, its cool
Umbral Ultimatum is one of my absolutely favorite songs ever in Homestuck, it gives me chills each time I listen to it.
today I remembered just how *late into the comic* Jade's entry was
The best part is from 0:00 to 4:03.
So all of it XD
***** Yeah that was my favorite too
Bullshit. 4:13 to 9:12 is the best part, and you know it. :P
Sontaran MC 2:15 onwards
Astrid the Otaku x
Why I didn't remember this [S]? Is really amazing.
And this is how one of the big problems of the Homestuck Universe/s (? appeared.
"CG: YOU MADE AN UNBEATABLE BOSS IS WHAT YOU DID."...but really, Vriska did that D:, she's culprit, why she did that!? I can't remember a reason...
The ending is cute
Jack was already alive in her timeline wrecking shit. If Vriska HADN'T made him what he was, then it would have just made a doomed timeline and everything would have been for nothing.
jubjub594 By the logistics of paradox space, Vriska had already made him in the alpha by the time she made him, but she also didn't make him at all.
No to that last part. She just already had made him.
Another thing is the fact that they would need jade to gain jacks powers in order for them to go to alpha human timeline. Without that they wouldn't have been able to help them make their universe (should they get that far) plus it's directly linked to the creation of the green sun etc etc... There's sooooooo many reason XD
Biggest mindfuck of all: That green box, the one Jack used to kill the queen and begin the doomed timeline to begin with? That came from the universe created as a result of scratching the universe because it was doomed thus creating the universe in which the box could be sent back to begin with by which I mean as a result of.
[s] Jack: Off
+A Completely Generic Duck Maturity levels explodinating
Pong Man has all the levels of making people laught their ass off. ALL OF THEM
FUCK YOU FOR MAKING ME LAUGH THAT HARD
no
THIS DOESNT DESERVE TO BE FUNNY
0:40 not to ruin the mood but i have to say i always imagine the game theory intro starting up when bec prototypes himself
This is the first and only time Dave and Bro Strider fought on the same side, together. Both their blades against Jack.
That part when Bec jumps into the sprite and the fucking bass drops. Just.
Mmm.
Imagine a world where aradia's not around to save everyone from all the quasi-omnipotent fuckers that keep trying to kill them.
This flash give me the most bone-chilling
When bec prototype himself
When jack transform into bec noir
Sadness and betrayed feeling in Karkat face
And lofaf
*bec noir
I keep repeating the part when Karkat wakes up. I know that he is sad about Jack but... He is just looks SO CUTE
It's that moment of betrayal, because to him that looks like Spades, who was Kar's best friend.
Shadow Dragon Comms. I know :(
Ayo what the dog doin?
At this point, Chapter 5 hadn't really been that amazing to me. When I saw Bec getting prototyped I was like "Oh crap. Terrible crap. All of it. All of the crap." I'm just now past this point and still wondering what's gonna happen!
0:44
The moment that made everyone collectively go.
"Oooooh nooooooo."
Imagine having to live with the trauma that your planet died just so you could play a game
I have no clue what's happening but this is the coolest/trippiest thing I've ever seen.
Edit: it’s at this point I should point out I have never read homestuck so I have no context for what I have seen.
Future Dave and Bro fighting side by side against a clear Planet to Solar System Buster level threat is awesome.
Sad as shit when Jack destroys Prospit and Derse.
I think this is still my favorite Homestuck animation. The song, Bec being prototyped and Jack gaining the Bec powers, the scene with the trolls being attacked... I remember being really blown away by it at the time. I think it was one of the first ones I saw after catching up on the whole thing too.
Gotta love Jade. Able to make any situation better simply by being Jade and thus, completely adorable.
1:16-1:30 rip joey and jude as well as literally everybody else left on earth 1980-2009
since sburb was a worldwide release, they probably escaped through their session.
It still surprises me that Karkat is Prospit, not Derse, he's so negative that I thought, for sure, he'd be Derse since I think Derse usually holds the more negative/serious characters.
In general, Prospit dreamers tend to be more positive, and I think that holds true for Karkat. He was optimistic that they could all win the game together even though it was literally manufactured on the basis of them killing each other off. His general rude attitude and negativity was more a projection of his insecurity/result of them failing. They also tend to be agree with or associate with authority, so of course the leader of the group would be Prospit.
karkat the kind of person who’s bedtime is at 8pm
Why do I find everything about this nostalgic despite me being a new reader
2:06 - 2:10 Jack Noir logs into Discord
Why did we need Lord English around when we had this guy as the main antagonist again?
good question
Because Bec Noir isn't a threat to all of reality. Just a threat to a few universes!
But... But we don't NEED a threat to all reality though? I mean think about it dude, not counting the Cherub session, the entire comic takes place in three game sessions and two universe. "all of reality" this does not encompass!
Even if it did! English never actually did anything to hurt the realities, he only consumed them /after they had already died/ He may have orchestrated that death yes but we have no reason to believe he actively killed them.
If you want an antagonist that affects all of reality, look no further then the game itself at the start of the comic, the dang thing kills planets to give birth to universes. If you really want a reality-affecting antagonist there it is right there!
@@TamTroll I think in the end that was the point the game was the true antagonist all along
@@inkblade5993 Well yeah, but we could have had the game as an antagonist without the need for some pointless green hulk that everyone starts obsessing over for no reason.
Can we all appreciate the sheer _skill_ Bro has for a second? Guy's fighting this eldritch shadow demon with little more than his Unbreakable Katana, all the while *still* shadow-puppeting Cal, just as he did when Strifing Dave! And it's even implied he _still_ put up a fight after Bec's prototyping! Sure, Davesprite's helping and all, but you can't deny he's got a high level of skill, _and_ that he's awesome as fuck.
Completely agreed. The fact that Bro was able to not only face Jack in that state, but seemingly keep him on the back foot even (To be fair, with Davesprite) is impressive as well. I genuinely believe they may have won too if Bec didn't do a Bec.
Watch 2:15 of this after watching Rex Duodecim Angelus to see how unfair it was for the trolls
Duck ikr
Duck a whole war
This was such a crazy moment. Up until now the trolls have been so pissed about this “unkillable boss”, this unstoppable monster that came from the kids’ universe, and I was so confused about what they were talking about. There was Jack, and he was strong, but unkillable seemed a stretch, it just didn’t make sense. And as soon as Bec jumped into the kernalsprite… all I could think was “Oh”.
This flash is absolutely incredible. It is absolutely the best flash not named "Cascade"
i like how op claimed this was "HQ" but it's 480p
that blood on jack’s hand when he showed up in the troll session taunted everyone for like an entire year. the payoff was awesome though.
I can't think of a moment in fiction besides this one that made me say "Uh oh" out loud
Uh oh whoopsie boopsies look like they're in a little sticky jiffy! Oh joinkers!
everyone talking about how cute karkat is when I can't get over how fucking cool Bro is
Fighting Jack Noir is probably the only good thing Bro did in the Beta Kids lifetime
@Nawyca
When youre a sensitive homestuck fangirl, its impossible not having feelings for Karkat.
oH gOd ThE qUaDrAnTs...
I literally have a pale crush on karkat. it's so embarrassing
I don’t care how strong LE are, nothing can match the pure fear and panic when you first realise the implication of Bec prototypes himself
Oh wow, I never realized how cute Prospit Dreamer!Karakt was!
This is over a decade old. I love this fandom.
We all agree that this was the best Flash animation in the story, right?
Interesting that it's never the meteors directly that does the species in. In the troll's universe, one of them hits Gl'blolybg, causing the vast glub. In the human's universe it's Bec's attempt at destroying the meteor that razes humanity. Had the meteor actually hit, the frog temple wouldn't be around in the future.
And what kind of timeline wouldn't have the frog temple? Certainly not one the Alpha Timeline would allow.
Yeah, that thing would have done far worse to the Earth than Bec did. That's not a meteor, that is a PLANET.
Anyone noticed that it took an entire year to get jade into the gane?
Pretty sure [s] Jack: Ascend was the end of year 1
Technically it was a day
the ending scene where jade is in the land of snow with the music always makes me cry just a little bit
i love how in 2010 480p was high quality
[S] hit: irreversibly hit the fan
If Bec Noir did not rise to power, the Green Sun would have not been created. Which is a paradox as the Green Sun gave Bec the First Guardian powers. If the Green Sun was not created, who knows what state reality would been in.
+GumChewer exactly. afaik someone made a paradox version of bec with the 'Meow' code and then he was created and sent to the earth. or something like dat?
The green sun would exist anyway as the tumour was armed anyway. Its location was changed when Dave and rose moved it
+GumChewer no, Halley (pre-scratch past dog ) was appearified alongside the MCB to create Bec
There's two kinds of paradox- the ones that are impossible to create but stable once they exist and the ones that are "easy" to create but impossible to resolve, like the grandfather paradox or the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object. its worth noting that homestuck has plenty of the former but not a single example of the latter. every paradox in homestuck is self-sustaining. food for thought.
Yeah, when situations become impossible to resolve the timeline is doomed. But since those doomed timelines then become vital to the Alpha, those supposedly impossible timelines actually become vital to the supposedly possible timeline and it all becomes this one self-sustaining mess. For instance, when Dave goes back to save the Sburb disk from being stolen and dies, his corpse becomes an important element of the Alpha because it keeps Dave from dying there. The doomed timeline is needed for the Alpha to function properly, and so it all works out in the end (or... is it the beginning?).
Anyway that got really long, sorry.
I will forever love the perspective shot where when Bec starts destroying the meteor it seems relatively small...
And then it's shown by the side and it's fucking *HUGE!*
This was one of the first /real/ “oh shit” moments for the comic
And it still kicks ass today