How to make a dishing stump
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2016
- A simple but essential tool used by almost every armourer throughout history, the dishing stump represents a must have starting point.
Used in almost all armouring projects, one way or another, the dishing form is very straight forward to make with limited skills, a couple of tools and about 30 minutes.
In this video I show how you can make one in less than half an hour, mention a couple of other ways you can make one and show that even with the most limited of tools, poorly chosen wood and a little bit of perseverance you can be setup and ready to go very quickly.
Dropping a circular saw into multiple times, gives you the perfect round shape, and quickly.
"You'd be there forever picking this out of your face when it shatters."
We'll have to start a favourite quotes section :)
Very helpful. Thanks!
My pleasure, I'm no woodworker though, luckily though these are very simple and often the only thing holding us back is that we think they are harder than they are :)
I did it. I used your instructions and made a dishing stump. It's amazing! I was able to perfectly bend a rusted sheet iron strip I found in a trash heap. (I don't have the money for metal, but I've got more stumps than... someone who has a lot of stumps... I guess...)
Your videos are absolutely perfect. Thank you! I have a question though, as I'm just starting out.
I'm making butted mail to kind of get the weave down in my muscle memory, and I've notice my rings are wobbly. I don't know a better way to put it. I close them up, and they have daylight coming out from the bottom when they lay flat. Is there a special way to close them, like turning only the tips or turning the whole side of the ring? You probably don't even bother with butted mail, but maybe you know. It's a pain in the ass to have to flatten every ring with a hammer, especially when I'm not riveting them. Do you have a favorite material and/or gauge for the metal when you make riveted mail?
Thanks again for the video on dishing stumps!
Congratulations on the dishing stump and having a go with your first metal. There's no feeling quite like it. If you can't afford metal at the moment try going to metal sheet fabricators and explain the situation, their offcuts are often large enough for most starting projects.
As to the mail, I've made some a long time ago, you might need to close them together and then give the base of the ring a pinch with the pliers, it's not something I know a lot abot. You might try looking t cap-a-pie and Tom Biliter they both make great maille and you might be able to gleen something from their pages. Failing that ask on the armour archive, there are lots of maille makers there.
best of luck :)
I made one out of brich tree (because that was what i had at hand), and i am still using it.
thank you
You have some great videos! SUBBED 👍
Thanks I appreciate the compliment and sub :)
this earned a sub m8
that's great thanks.
thank you very much for doing this, I have needed a stump so much in making my armor, i'll upload pictures when my dishing "form" is complete since i'm using a solid block of wood and not a stump
I really need to get an anvil soon, what weight is yours?
Best of luck mate, it's a game changer and once it's settled in makes for a really good piece of armouring equipment. Just be sure to go into the end grain of the wood and not along it. :)
finished the form but forgot to take a picture, I do however have a picture of my first demi gauntlets I made. I accidentally drilled the holes too big to rivet so i'm holding them together with nylon nuts, no finish either
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I'm hoping for a decent pair of mittens by the end of the week and i'm trying to figure out how to draw patterns since I never drew them before, thank god for armourarchive
gonna binge all of your videos and learn some more so thanks for uploading
My pleasure mate, if you watch this early video you can see that you can close the hole back down to where you want it to be, give it a redrill and you'll be able to use the desired rivets easily enough :)
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that was a very good video thanks, i'm going to buy actual rivets for my new gauntlets and not use roofing nails
You can pick them up pretty cheaply from most decent hardware stores. In the UK I tend to use Chrnos or Sapphire Rivets. Good luck mate.
I remember doing my first stumps that way but there are several better ways. The circular saw spin. The chain wheel on a 4 inch angle grinder. Of course my favorite is you start a small hole and then use the acetylene and oxygen torch and once fire started, turn off he acetylene and use the oxygen to accelerate the burn of the fuel of the wood and scrape with a gutter adzes. Then beat down with your hammer you will use with the dishing.
Alan, absolutely right, I'm planning on doing a few other ways that should allow folk to do them with differing sets of tools. Appreciate the feedback.
could you do a video on beginners dishing? especially using techniques that would require limited planishing...
Sure, I'll try and get one in over the next week, the simplest 'cheat' is to us as large a headed ball pien that you can get away with :)
Greenleaf Workshop how bout a farriers rounding hammer? Ha! Also, what are some good alternate balls to a ball stake? I'm not sure where i'd come up with a big lump like that. All i'm dishing is some coppergate-style skullcaps, but i will need to planish a bit after
For your next video can you show how to make raising stake
Might be a little beyond my meagre forge, but I'll see what I can sort out. Generally though I haunt second hand tool shops and they come up. But I've made a couple in the past, so will take a look at what I can muster sometime this year.
Someone who makes nice stakes is a chap called Halberds on the Armour Archive he might be somewhere to start.
Hope this helps.
thanks alot i was just on the archive reading the newbie armourer section. youre videos are very help
full to see how its done
Having a go at doing this myself but sadly I've gotten sheer drop offs instead of gentle curves. Should I start over?
I'd just ease off the edge a bit, although the first time you use metal on it with heat that will happen. I shouldn't worry too much as it's the void you're after not so much the edge of the dish. Heat up a sacrificial bit of metal and just knock it in and the edge will find its level easily enough.
I'm trying this with fresh-cut white oak, because i don't have the patience to let it dry.
Would fresly cut beech wood( cut for firewood) be any good for this?
Hi there, I can't profess to be a great woodworker - the film shows that. I've used all sorts of woods for this and found the only real difference is how long the wood lasts for. I've done it once in some mud and found it worked well once. After it's been used a few times most woods seems to stop falling apart and settle in - then as I mention it just seems to be how long they'll last for.
I'd suggest just giving it a go, what's the worst that can happen?
Hope that helps.
Greenleaf Workshop Thank you for advice :)
Also you're chiseling the end grain at the very center of the stump, it may actually be easier if you offset your dish to one side rather than having it centered.
how tall was the stump ? about 32 inches or so ? Great vids.
I'll try and remember to measure it tomorrow, but it must be about that. Thanks for the support.
@GreenleafWorkshop You forgot...
I think that one Is to deep for making helmets, but Excelent if you are making Shield Boss
I think you might have to sharpen your chisels mate
I think that you may have hit the nail on the head. I haven't looked after them as I tend to only use them once every few years ... but next time I promise to sharpen them :)
Its just that you're chiseling the end grain. Its never really easy to do that lol. Kinda like mashing the end of a rope.
Wet the grain with a sponge then chisel it. Works miracles!
I am so sure that you will find good way to make it on Stodoys.
Why you lecture so much?