Friends Meeting - Building Britain's Most Powerful Steam Locomotive P2 No. 2007 “Prince Of Wales”
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- A talk by Mark Allatt, P2 Project Director and Trustee, The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust.
The Gresley class P2 2-8-2 ‘Mikados’ were the most powerful express passenger locomotives to operate in the UK. They were designed by Sir Nigel Gresley to haul 600 ton trains on the arduous Edinburgh to Aberdeen route. Sadly, the design was never fully developed and they were rebuilt by his successor Edward Thompson into 4-6-2s in 1943/4, and scrapped by 1961.
As the builder of new main line steam locomotive No. 60163 “Tornado”, the A1 Steam Locomotive Trust has therefore decided to set itself a new challenge: to develop, build and operate an improved Gresley class P2 Mikado steam locomotive for main line and preserved railway use.
Mark Allatt will cover the background to the project, progress to-date and future plans.
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A fantastic project. Congratulations to all concerned.
I don’t care what nobody say, the end is steam was never over, it was just on pause 😁😁, steam is slowly starting to come back to life.and I’m watching from south Carolina.
This is a quality piece of CZcams film and greatly appreciated here in Germany. Thank you.
So who ready to see Prince of Wales out on the mainline ?????
Excellent interesting presentation terrific detail
A very interesting lecture and what a great project, these guys need some serious recognition for what they are doing.
Enjoyed watching that immensely ...
Please Post more videos, Really exciting watching from Australia.
Glad you like them, you can find out when our next talks are on our website at www.ltmuseumfriends.co.uk
I feel curious to see an A4 locomotive with the same length and the same mashinery of the Union Pacific Big Boy.
Great vid very interesting
Well, there was a Spitfire named "Pretty Polly", but like the loco, it was after the racehorse. (I think same applies to the hosiery).
Regarding the Haymarket engineman mentioned at 26'55.....would this be Norman McKillop, also known as Toram Beg? He wrote articles which appeared in Trains Illustrated magazine in the 1950s. I believe his favourite locomotive was Spearmint (60100). Also sprach Zarathustra as choice of music for the roll out of 2007 would seem to be most apt.
You're right about Norman McKillop (Toram Beg). He was very keen to promote good ideas (so long as they were his own) & spent most of his life in his quest that the rest of the world should agree with him!
I was aloud up on the foot plate when it came to edinburgh in 2009
@William Gruff *roles eyes
that's pretty cool. How'd you do that when it hasn't even been built yet???
Love to know if the improvements increased overall power or not
I bet they will Rich ... The new design of the cylinder layout will help .. It's gonna be good .. and with a German boiler - Even better!
Pity mr Bullied is not still around. He would sort this one out.
I agree with the comments below regarding the naming to Prince of Wales when in true LNER practice this should really be "Duke of Rothesay" ....and now I read for its launch it is to be painted in LNER Blue livery ... a livery it never wore...nor did any of its class.
What a great shame a wonderful project like this is being steered so far away from how the original locomotive would have appeared.... and after so much effort and fund raising.
I think - We can name 'her' what ever we want the people paying for it decide and it was a great move calling her 'PRINCE of WALES'
The Prince of Wales IS (called) the Duke of Rothesay when he is in Scotland. As an entirely new-build, and not a replica re-build, surely any constraints of the old design don't get carried forward?
I though the 9f was England strongest steam loco
It wasn't as strong as this and it wasn't really an express passenger locomotive either.
Well, it was the most powerful yes, and is still to be bettered. Strictly it was a freight loco, though was eventually also used for express work, sustained cruising around 90mph. The P2 was never in service so could not compete. It will be fascinating to see how they get on with it!
Are we talking tractive effort or horsepower? If you are looking at nominal tractive effort and are looking at non-articulated freight locomotives the LNER P1/2 had a nominal T. E. of 42,500 lbf. Bill Hoole drove both the 9f and the P2 and considered the P2 to be a better engine. As far as express passenger locomotives are concerned the P2 holds the highest tractive effort figure, but as far as horsepower is concerned we will get to know in 2022.
he LNER Beyer Garratt U1 72,940 lbf
The LMS Beyer Garratts 45,620 lbf
Depends for heavy freight the 9f is certainly the strongest with over 40,000lbs in tractive effort and doing what it was designed to do. It’s get more complicated after that but officially the most powerful steam locomotive recorded in Britain was the LMS Princess coronation class Duchess of Abercorn which produced over 3350hp in 1939
A 2-8-2 was more powerful than a 2-10-0?
I think this one was compared to the 9F or the WD 2-10-0s.
43000+ tractive effort against 9F of 39,000
@@bigmull I don't think that _tractive effort_ is as realistic a measure as _drawbar horsepower._ The first is usually a calculation whilst the second can be measured _on the road_ with a _dynamometer coach._
steamerthesteamtrain Yes it was. 9 F = 39978lbf. The P 2. =. 43857 lbf. A locomotives power is dependent on many things. Boiler pressure length of stroke diameter of piston and diam of driving wheels
@@michaelnaisbitt1639 Thanks for the info.
5 mins before train stuff...
04:46 to be precise ;)
will this engine the prince of wales run because of the coal ban? will be a great shame if not.
Should have been given a better name!!
Have you a problem? The proposed name is perfect!
@@Peter-lm3ic Yes I do have a problem with it, and as you seam to be questioning my right to an opinion can I suggest you have a look at the names of the original P2s and then you explain to me why the name Prince Charles is' perfect'.
No other name can equal such an illustrious name as the “Prince of Wales” !
@@Peter-lm3ic Don't be silly!
The originals had Scottish names. Prince Charles title in Scotland is Duke of Rothesay not Prince of Wales. That’s an English title. If they had followed the LNER naming system it would be called Duke of Rothesay.