Mooney M20C - Efficient Speed
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- čas přidán 13. 01. 2023
- I meet with Flight Instructor Cole Young about his Mooney M20C in Denton Texas. I interview him and then we take the plane up for a flight.
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I owned an M20J for a few years. They were the most expensive and glorious years of my life.
Cole, I bought my son a '63 M20C when he decided to making aviation his chosen career. We've had her for 4 years now and no regrets--other than my thinning wallet. Mooney M20C models are a great airplane for aspiring ATP's. They're not high-performance aircraft, but complex, and a sweet ride. We flew ours out to Colorado from Florida at max weight and she performed beautifully for us. I suggested we install electric gear in the plane, and my son wanted nothing to do with it. The Johnson Bar is a great piece of primitive technology that makes the early "C" models a joy.
Our plane had a wheels up landing in a grassy field back in the '80's and had its belly reconstructed. I noticed your belly strobe--something our aircraft is missing. I suspect it was eliminated during that reconstruction. We have a switch/breaker for the strobe still on the panel, but it doesn't power anything. I'd very much let to get one installed and was wondering if you could provide some close-ups of the strobe on your plane, and identify its exact location. My son-in-law, who is an airframe mechanic, has offered to do some work on our plane, and an LED belly strobe is something I'd like to put back on the airframe. I'd just like to make sure I have the right location and find one that's similar in look to the original equipment.
Thanks for the video...
Excited for it to go live! Had a blast, thanks for the great interview!
good luck dude nice landing
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment!
@@devb8904 I’ve never flown a 180hp m20. I have quite a bit of time in a 200hp m20f. At 24 square it is dead reliable at 147knots indicated between 4,500 and 6,500.
Love the Mooney. Your conversation about the airlines was interesting. My son, who is 25, and I own a Grumman Tiger here in Denver. He started flight training just after graduating high school in 2016, then went on to college to enroll in a aviation degree program to become a professional pilot. He obtained his private, instrument, commercial and CFI ratings all in our Tiger. After graduating college, he got a job flying as a CFI and tour pilot for a tour company in Kauai, Hawaii. Because I am from Hawaii, (born and raised), he was able to stay with family while he was working there to build his hours. Last August, he hit the 1,490 hour mark and decided to apply to the regionals back here in Colorado and was hired. He received a training date to get his ATP. After returning home to Denver, he flew out to Texas to get his multi rating. Then, in November, while he and I were flying our Tiger from Denver to Colorado Springs, he hit the 1,500 hour mark. He just completed ATP training, which the regional paid for, and is now waiting to start his type rating training to fly the Embraer E-175. His class start date is in March. There is a backlog as regionals are trying to upgrade their FO's to Captains to make way for the new hires. In any event, there are plenty of jobs out there for anyone who is looking to enter the airlines. In fact, at 54, I have even thought about a change in careers to join a regional airline.
By the way.. we still own and fly the Tiger. A great airplane. Good luck, with your airline career... fly safe and fly often!
What a great story to read, thanks for sharing Gordon! Sounds like you’ve got a great son, one to be very proud of! Sounds like he’s also got a great dad!
Great smaller family plane, did him justice on that landing shot
Love how quick manual gear comes down.
This is the plane I grew up in as a kid. My father owned two, a 65’ Mustang & a 67’ Executive 21. He traveled a 5 😅state area out of Wichita for business. The Mooney made for a bunch more time at home vs driving. Nothing but great memories flying with my dad. My love of planes and flying have never waned.
The yelling clear brings back so many memories. So excited for you Cole.
Bobby, glad you're still doing these. Love the channel!
I have owned three of these great aircraft. Noticed that you popped the gear up with lots of runway left. I did the same thing for years until I had an engine failure. It can happen!
I've never even been in a plane (yet), just consuming aviation content at the moment and I had thought he pulled the gear up pretty early myself.. but like I said, I really don't know lol
Awesome job so glad to see Flying Doodles videos are back!!! I love this channel! I also love the Mooney M-20C as I took my first ever small plane flight in one and it really sparked my interest in learning to fly (which I now do) I hope the company survives into the future!
Nice to see your back! Thanks!
Glad to see you back and producing again!
My grandfather and grandmother were both IFR private pilots and used to own a Mooney. They lived in North Carolina and would fly their Mooney up and down the east coast visiting us in Massachusetts or stopping in New York to visit family on their way to their summer house in Maine. I never got to fly with them as I was too young but did sit in the plane once. It was kinda small but as the video shows it is fast and efficient making it a great traveling airplane.
I was on the fence about an M20, this vid solidified my thoughts. Love it!
Great video!!! Thanks for showing up the Mooney!!!
Great to see you back!
Good to see more Flying videos from you.
Love the old manual C model. Flew one for over a thousand hours. Great pictures....especially those views from the rear belly. Thanks.
Very cool aeroplane and a cracking video, thanks to you both ✌️😊👍
Very nice looking plane..I like the green, its sharp.
Cole is a super nice Pilot and will have a great Career. Thanks for doing the ride in a Mooney.
Thanks for such kind words Dan!
@@coleyoung912 wishing you Blue Skies Cole. God bless
@@danmcbride6258 thank you once again! God bless you as well!
Beautiful old Mooney, enjoyed this video.
I'd like to see Mooney comeback with a Continental turbo-diesel powerplant. It would be cool to see Mooney be acquired by Boeing, Garmin or Textron.🙂
Get it Cole! Gorgeous Mooney! Best paint colors
Thanks! She’s a real beauty!
glad for new FD thanks bobby.
Nice. Manual gear and flaps are way under appreciated.
I have loved my M20B since I purchased it in 2007.
Good stuff, Bobby 😁
I kinda got wore out on the hot chix sailing thing.
I could never get tired of aviation 😎
63V is a 69 Mooney M20C. My son and I flew it on long x-countries at 10500 to 11500, we would use 20" at 1900 RPM and get 7gpm and GS of 122 kts. We Based it at KTNP and KLGU, now at KGIC. He is now a captain for Skywest Airlines. My plane has electric flaps and gear. I can't afford some of the goodies you have on your panel. I love flying the plane.
Love these videos. And what a beautiful aircraft. Go Mean Green! 😉
Good video
My buddy had a M20 and when we'd go flying and handed me the controls for a rookie it seemed the bird loved to fly. I felt I was focused on trying to hold down the nose from wanting to climb altitude more than anything... Was a great fast economical machine, until he was landing one time and forgot to drop the landing gear.
Fortunately his insurance company rebuild the aircraft undercharge and the requirements after a prop-strike... Like X-ray of the crankshaft...
I've also got a 1967 m20c. Great plane! Hey is that the same Tom Tweedale that sheared off a main landing gear in Micronesia in a b-727 for express-one?
That's a very nice example of a C. I owned one for twelve years and it was a wonderful little travel machine for my family. We flew all over the U.S. in it. I've often said the C is the most bang for the buck in general aviation if you want to go places. I flight planned 135 KTAS and 9.1 gph and was never disappointed.
What power setting did you use to get 135 it’s at 9.1 gph?
@@sport2175 cruise was typically 2450 or so and full throttle (which gave 22-23"+/- at 7,000', leaned out. Mine was a '74 with the Butler "Dirty Wing". My buddy who had a '66 always had 5 kts on me at the same power settings. I even had a 201 style windshield which should have given me five knots but he was still faster.
I’m looking at a buying a C but my mechanic recommends an Arrow instead. He say the landing gear maintenance on the Mooney is costly and the parts hard to find. I’d like to know you opinion.
@@darrylday30 If you go with a mid-60s C (the best C models) with manual gear the maintenance is minimal. The biggest issue you need to watch is the latching mechanism to make sure it locks securely. My '74 with electric gear had a couple of ADs on them that required lubing the gear mechanism every 100 hours and an inspection of the worm gear every 500 hours. If the gears are worn you'll need to replace them. The first inspection I did on mine they were worn 2/3 of the way through the teeth. That's a single point of failure so I immediately replaced them. At the next 500 they barely showed any wear. At 1000 hours they had very minor wear but I replaced them out of an abundance of caution. It was obvious the previous owners had NOT complied with those ADs. The last time I replaced the gear set (more than a decade ago) the parts were about $300.
Personally, I think you'll have many more issues with the oleo struts and electro-hydraulic gear mechanism on the Arrow than you will on a Mooney. The rubber pucks last many years and aren't that expensive to replace.
@@lorendjones Thanks, I’m actually an aircraft mechanic but I’ve never even sat in a Mooney! However, the Mooney fits the mission so I’m trying make sense of conflicting opinions. I’ve actually found a 1970 C with 1200 hours and a 0 hr prop (no AD). The owner, also an aircraft mechanic, replaced the worm drive with the low ratio set last year. It looks good in pictures and the price is fair but the owner just left on vacation and I won’t get to see it up close until March. In the mean time, I’m learning all I can. What I need is a Mooney expert to help me with the prebuy.
Funny, my 67 m20F is N9698M.
Pretty sure I have a picture of our Mooneys next to each other at an airport near Tucson from a few months ago
BEAUTIFUL plane! Great color scheme. I love the old "Johnson bar" gear. I'd leave the gear down for awhile after takeoff when you have a huge runway in front of you. No rush to get it up. If the engine fails, you will be wishing the gear was still down.
I understand your position on this but in all reality I can throw that gear down in a fraction of a second which how many hours I’ve got in the plane. I used to leave it down longer when I was getting proficient with the gear
@@coleyoung912 That’s the beauty of the manual gear. If you do that in a Bonanza, the negative habit might result in a gear up landing. No big deal. Just a thought to ponder. Beautiful plane. I’d get a Mooney if my local mechanic would work on it. He doesn’t want to deal with the tight spaces when working on them.
@@quinnjimthat’s definitely understandable and a different animal all together, in an electric gear I doubt I would be so comfortable pulling the gear until quite a bit higher!
I own a '69C. Great airplane.
And, nice landing!
I ferried one from klan to kden back in the 70s it was a m20 that had wooden wings and tail!! Every time I hit turbulence I thought the wings would snap off. Lol. I did have it checked by a&p before blasting off.
Fun video. Mooneys are great airplanes. Coke looks like a great airline candidate. Good for him.
I appreciate the compliment!
@@coleyoung912 sorry about the spelling mishap. Autocorrect obviously didn’t bother watching the video.
@@charliebrown8278 haha no problem! It wouldn’t be the first time autocorrect has done that with my name!
Is your headset the DC OneX? I've been thinking of upgrading my X-11. Also, fun video!
It’s so reassuring to hear that the airlines are “taking anybody”.
Gahreeeessseed that landing
Thanks! 😏
Great interview and look at this great aircraft. My dream is to get a Mooney Acclaim or a Cessna 182 or perhaps a Piper. Still, gotta get the pilot's license. Might not ever happen (medical has been deferred). Cheers!
Really cool
Yes! Johnson bar gear! The only way it will fail is if a weld breaks! 👍👍👍👍👍
Great the best plane I believe 😊
It's on Trade a Plane!!
How many hours per is he flying to get to 1,000 hours?
Check it out!! 2 flying doodles stars featured in the video! Hahah N343ZS in the back there!
Sounded like a little more primer was needed. My Cherokee 6 would hesitate at times also, depending on if it was hot or not.
Yeah she always struggles when it’s excessively cold outside.
Doesn't your plane have a wing leveler? I always compared Mooney's to driving Porsche's; you either love them, or hate them... there's no middle ground. Having owned and driven seven Porsche's over a 35 year period, I guess you know why I love Mooney's.
Here's one for you... Back in '73 with the ink barely dry on my CFI, a student pilot friend of mine bought a '70 Ranger. (N9495V. I just checked it in the FAA database. It's living in Victoria, TX now). Anyway, I gave him all his instruction for his Private for free, and in exchange, he gave me a set of keys to his plane. (I'll bet you can guess who took advantage of that deal)!! Everything you said about your plane holds true for every Mooney I've ever flown. They are unbeatable. I loved how you could climb to altitude, push everything to the panel, and cruise alongside Twin Comanche's. OR... climb to 12.5, 2300, 16 inches and cruise 130 knots and 6.5 gph.
What you said about manual gear... the problem is when it's half way up or down and you need to change the position of your arm. Once you've figured out the technique... Great demo of a great plane... you got my subscription....
Loved all you shared! In response to your initial question, no mine doesn’t because it was removed when the s-tec 30 autopilot was installed (which technically has its own version of it but the autopilot must be on to use it).
Great plane, great video! Thank you.
What type of ear pieces is he using? I’ve seen the Bose ones but wonder how do they do in single engine pistons, as they were designed for jets.
I have the Clarity Aloft headset, I love in-ear headphones so it has been a great headset for me!
@@coleyoung912 Great! Thank you for the feedback! I fly a M20J, Mooneys are the best!
@@rodolfocastro3222 you’re welcome! I agree, they are a great bird!
@@coleyoung912 How has your maintenance costs worked out? I’m keen to get a handle on the landing gear cost to maintain. I’m trying to decide between an Arrow IV and M20C prebuy inspection.
@@darrylday30 Hi Darryl, the manual gear on my plane has an airworthiness directive to inspect and lubricate the system every 100 hours but the manual gear is extremely simple to maintain for any qualified mechanic.
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#328👍👏🎉I flew some owners in their Mooney over Portland Oregon to get above the cloud deck to observe the solar eclipse by the moon in the late 70s. Great instrument platform!!
ERAU 80 CFIA&I ret.
I’d like to have you come fly with us in the L29 Delfin, would you be interested in this?
Absolutely!
@@FlyingDoodles How do I get in touch to organise it?
Can I ask what type/brand of headset you were using?
I use Clarity Aloft’s headset
@@coleyoung912 Thanks Cole! BTW, I want that plane! I saw it on TradeAPlane. I can’t find a hangar here in Houston!
Mooney 20C.. now we’re talking…
This plane will fall into the new mosaic rules for light sport aircraft in 2024
Unfortunately it won't qualify. The rules only allow a max clean stall speed of 54 knots and these planes have a clean stall speed of 59 knots. Many of us pushed for the FAA to increase that to an even 60 knots, but they wouldn't budge.
Man I want one of these but Ive got 3 small kids. Wondering if I could force 3 small kids in the back.
Physically or legally?
@@angelaford7461 both. I read the faa sent out a letter that if two occupants weight equaled less than 170lbs that they would allow two in one belt. This was on the aopa website.
My dad got his complex rating in one of these. Except it was super ugly haha. Just beat to shit with faded orange dusty paint. Nothing like the one in this video haha
He said the manual gear was a lot to get used to.
They’re taking anybody????
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Where does a father of two get the money for this?! Supporting a family is expensive!! Never mind buying a plane and paying for the instruction for every rating above Private Pilot? It's a great time for airline work.
What are you going to do when they end fossil fuel production? Electric aircraft anyone? I didn't think so.
I flew in a 1969 Mooney Ranger and it was like flying in a death trap.
The pilot told me to keep the passenger door open while taxi-ing you know... for a quick escape if we like... blew up... or got impacted by some other air plane. Enough fuel onboard I'm sure to go up in a massive fireball. The pilot was a real d0uche and told me not to touch anything.
He started playing too much with his ipad trying to get that new remote identification garbage working while I w s watching outside as flocks of birds flew by... so I put my hand on the steering wheel to help out. He got all flustered. Little does he know I could fly his dwwmb ass under a table and back again as =the worlds best proximity aerobatic pilot. General Aviation pilots can't fly. I now think of most of them as sad laughing stocks. You guys really are. The first inverted spin is going to take your "never went to glider school" swwmba55e5 out...
Who hurt you?
@@iflycessnas4707 Humans, they are tge worst species ever
You dont sound like a pilot
@@halo7ification I know right, the worlds best Proximity Aerobatic Pilot sounds like a psychopathic kindergarden teacher.
It serves me well though, no mistake a fighter pilot could make worst than to underestimate me. And then they become a smoking crater in the farm they just bought.
Watch your six, because I'm on it.
@@choppergirl what meds are you on?
Left at California
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Up up and away Cole. 🌥️