3 Tips For Stacking Overdrive And Distortion Pedals
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
- This week I give you three easy tips to remember when stacking gain pedals, whether overdrive or distortion pedals.
When stacking 2 dirt pedals together, the key thing to remember is that the 2ndpedal in the chain dictates the overall tone of the stack.
Cranking the volume on the first pedal in the stack will not raise the volume, but will increase the clipping (gain) in the second pedal.
Using a pedal with plenty of EQ options can help better sculpt your dirt tones
Bonus tip: an overdrive into a distortion channel on amp or already driven amp is another form of stacking gain
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i'd recommend to put the smaller pedals on top of the bigger ones, otherwise they might fall over (especially when you stack more than three pedals)
As long as you find the center of the pedal; size isn’t as relevant
As a proud member of the society for putting things on top of other things, I would agree lol!! Haha, who doesn't love a good monty python reference
I didn't figure that out for years
That is a sound Foundation
Agreed
Love the Tumnus Deluxe. I've had it for a couple years and last week I sitting and playing with my phone on my knee. It slid off and landed straight down on the switch and broke it. Emailed Wampler and told them what happened with a few pics and wanted to know what it would take to get it fixed. They sent me 2 new switches with no hassle. Awesome customer service from these guys.
Yeah, Wampler needs to restore karma for that broken Strat neck from years ago. That's the only reason good customer service exists. God knows what sins Sweetwater committed in a past life.
Thats really awesome. Ive been emailing another Builder for 6 months now and they haven't even answered yet. My KLONE from Math@#s Effects has broke 3 times and they just keep ignoring me so I have to pay to have the Switch , Zener and output jack fixed so far. TUMNUS here I come.
It's 2:30 am.. I was on the fence about impulse buying a WampRat (Ratsbane) and hearing about your great customer support from Wampler made me decide to just go ahead and buy it.
Brian saw my post on a broken pedal I'd just bought used on eBay (I bought it working). He told me where to send it to be fixed for free. I told him I bought it used and it was out of warranty. He said don't worry about that! He got it fixed for me totally free :D
I love that you are wearing another youtubers merch. The way you guys support each other is awesome!
People think the Tumnus, Klon, Architect, Merman, etc. are transparent -- for those that do not know -- because of the way the drive / gain knob works. It is a dual gang pot, meaning it is essentially two pots in one (not a dual concentric knob). As you turn down the drive knob, the gain circuit is mixed out in favor of the clean signal. The drive portion of the signal is very mid range heavy, while the clean portion of the circuit is "transparent."
this is the most succinct description I've seen. I didn't know about the dual gang pot till I tried to build one. thank you.
@@scrummyvision If memory serves, the circuits splits the signal into three sections: the 'clean' signal, the 'distortion/overdrive' signal (which is supposedly based on the DOD 250/MXR Dist+ circuit), and then the bass/low end is processed outside of that. The treble affects the signal and is patched in from the last opamp section. There is a Tube Screamer version from Maxon (more or less; the hard clipping overdrive section is a soft clipping Tube Screamer instead).
@@austinfailz warms my heart that someone else nerds out about this stuff so much I get a response within the hour. gonna go through the circuit schematics and see what I can learn, thanks!!!!!
Long story short...Tumnus makes EVERYTHING BETTER.
Yep, I always use my Tumnus deluxe to stack before anything. Fuzz, Distortions even Metal Zone
Same here, I use the mini into a mini TS!! they like each other a lot
overdrive low gain + trasparent overdriva 2:39 overdrive low gain + overdrive higth vol = + gain 5:09 overdrive traspartent eq flex + trasparent overdrive 6:57 amp drive or distorcion pedal + overdrive = hard rock vibes 9:50 amp driver + pantheon overdrive = pantheon best pedal 10:16
The cat is back! Your Tumnus still sounds like Tumnus - pure gold.
Another neat trick is to stick a delay pedal between the two distortion/overdrive pedals. You don't need to use much to realize a great tone. It's something that Carlos Santana is credited with doing.
Definitely trying that.
I just added a Faux Tape Echo because it has tap. I put that after my gain but kept my Belle Epoch which I also like but no tap and put it before gain for classic sounds but maybe I should put it between both pedals.
I have been stacking pedals for quite awhile now. However, this maybe one of the best explanation of how stacking pedals really works. Thank you.
Can I just say thank you for making the Tumnus. It's such a simple yet powerful pedal. I use it going through my orange rocker and it's basically acts as my dirty channel. I have a ts9 after it that adds the mid hump I need for solo's. What blew my mind when I first started using the Tumnus was how powerful the volume knob is! It's so versatile with other pedals but just as a normal overdrive it sounds beautiful.
That cat was like "Who you trying to get crazy with esse? Don't you know I'm loco?"
I totally appreciate that you used “tighter” to describe the overall tone that we get. That has help me heaps in looking for the tone I’m trying to hit.
If you add a tube screamer or similar pedal to an amps dirty channel it tightens up. Keep gain on amp and pedal fairly low though.
I am a clean tone freak and here I am listening to this genius channel.
One of my favorite tones is the Pantheon into the Paisley Drive. Pantheon is set up for a medium gain, loose but airy type tone, then the Paisley Drive comes in with a mid bump and volume boost for lead tones. Super awesome with medium to high output pickups
Just for clarification. You put the pantheon first, then the paisley? Thanks!
I was mostly an acoustic player and have ventured into the electric world. I'm focused on overdrives and experimenting with the King of Tone, Mojomojo, and ODR-1, but now it seems I'll need to try the Tumnus and Pantheon. Great stuff, and thank you for the very useful video.
Amazing combination (Tumnus & Pantheon).
I recently bought the Tumnus Deluxe and Nobels ODR-1 BC. I kept both in the end.
I have now 3 Wampler pedals on my board and love them all very much.
Wow - great info! I just ran my Tumnus into an old Boss DS 1 Distortion and it cleaned it up and made my humbucker power chords crisper and more articulate. I hate muddiness and fuzz!
Damn. The Pantheon and Tumnus sound amazing individually but takes it to the next level when you stack them!
Thanks. This is a helpful video. I enjoy stacking a tumnus deluxe into a snouse Black box 2. I like having the extra control over the mids, particularly as the gain is up on the on the tumnus.
Tumnus is the best first stage overdrive available nowadays. Mine is always on at low gain. I have tried many many others (SD1, TS808, POT, Klon KTR, Moonshine, Amp11), but the Tumnus is by far the best one and makes my other distortion/overdrives to shine. Congrats on such an amazing pedal.
Thanks, glad you like it!
How do you have the Tumnus set up as your first stage?
Love my Pantheon. Though the Pantheon and Tumnus should be the newest 2-in-1 pedal.
Good lordt!! That Pantheon sounds so good. Can’t wait to get mine tomorrow. (It better be here tomorrow!) and boost it with my Tumnus!! Can’t believe I waited this long to order a Pantheon. Wampler Dirt is good Dirt!
Wow that Tumnus pedal is straight up 70’s Hard Rock tone heaven! Great sound!
Tumnus for the solo boost! Placed between my rythem pedal (paisley) and the amp. Leave the rythem pedal on. Creamy crunchy goodness. You can see it on their faces.
I wouldn't dream of telling you anything about how you should run pedals or stack drives, but for me personally I run my Tumnus Deluxe at the end of my drive chain rather than at the front. I run my Tumnus in a typical Klon mode with gain at about 10:00 and level at about 2:00, and let the Tumnus spread its buttery goodness all over everything else. And I leave my Tumnus on all the time unless I am just looking for super clean sparkly tone. In front of the Tumnus I have a custom Tube Screamer and a Boss SD2. When I want a lot of crunch I turn on the SD2 and when I want distortion I turn on the TS turned way up on the gain. And when I want nasty I turn on all 3. I think the Tumnus Deluxe EQ gives me the best tone control which is why I put it last in the chain, and then when I discovered I just like to leave it on all the time it made sense for me to leave it there. Of course, since I don't have a Pantheon my options are a little different than yours. Thanks for the video. You make great pedals and have a wonderful way of teaching to boot. And that you know who Tumnus is makes me especially happy. :)
Absolutely love the Pantheon, the best sounding BB overdrive pedal I’ve ever heard, only thing I would stack it with is a Les Paul😷
Tumnus paired with Pantheon = magic
I bought both pedals because of this video, I can do most of my gigs with these pedals and a delay. I think a double drive with one side tumnus and another pantheon would be the goat. Love them!!
Horsebreaker by Ceriatone.
Brian's videos are, as always, eminently educational.
Brian knows his business for sure. This man knows how to build great pedals.
The Tumnus into the pantheon is the thing I've been doing for ages. It was my little tone secret.... Until now that is....
Yeah it’s kind a like the agony and the ecstasy. You love the fact that somebody absolutely Got behind something you just discovered on your own...and then they blab it to 1 million CZcamsrs🥺
That cat is having none of Brian's shit today, thank you.
I did a lot of stacking pedals at one point and it made me think about what people call "tone" much differently than I did before and certainly moreso than people typically think of it. Tone is how you are manipulating the strings and guitar; the notes. The gear is dictating the voicing, which is different than tone in my opinion. I realized how much speakers influence voicing, as well as amps and pedals later in the chain. Things like pickups matter to some extent, but you'll see a bigger improvement in voicing from a speaker upgrade.
Grumpy Cat doesn't look too excited about overdrive and distortion pedals.
I use Xotic SP Comp (always on/subtle squeeze) into Mini TS into Mini Tumnus...TS for light blues...Tumnus for creamy boost...both on for great lead blues/rock OD/Dist.
thanks for these cool tips !
You are great Mr Wampler! Thanks for all the pedal advice!
Literally waiting in my Pantheon to do the same thing, haha I know some amps have sounded great due to their “gain-stacking” so I’m glad you brought this one up! 🖖🏻
I just bought on on Friday! Supposed to have been here on Monday.... still waiting..
John Bradford yep, the struggle is real, mine got lost in the mail, refunded and purchased again, end of the week, so close and fingers crossed! 🤘🏻🤞🏻
Tumnus is my favorite pedal to stack.
I have to say - the Pantheon is one of those pedals I NEVER consider taking off my board... I just love it as a mid gain sound by itself, or being pushed for a higher gain. But now I feel like an idiot because one of the few pedals I haven't tried in front of it is the Tumnus!
I run a Wampler moxie in to a inferno distortion then a booster with some EQ setting. I'm loving it. I can't wait to get off work to Jam out
Just wanted to say thanks for your work, I have a Tumnus Delux, it is fantastic.
Thanks again for another well done video. Informative and easy to understand. I love my Pantheon, as well. Looking forward to swapping it around now that you offered some excellent clarity on the matter.
I just stacked my OCD v1.7 into a Golden Klon- It was a revelation!
That first thing was pretty neat.
I want a pedal with Both a tumnus and a pantheon.
Kinda like a king of tone kinda thing.
With a switchable arrangement setting (tumnus into Pantheon or vise versa).
Brian, thank you for these videos. And also your 'nerd' videos.
Its really helped me to understand the multiple ways to use distortion pedals.
Also,not much on modulation, but still find it interesting
I ordered a Tumnus yesterday, so I'm excited to be adding my second Wampler product to my gear. The "pedal platform" ideology is brand new to me in spite of playing out regularly for over 30 years, but it's cool that you are as dedicated to showing how to really get the most out of these pedals as you are in building them. Wampler absolutely rocks, hands down.
Side note: all those crazy "pedal platform" discussions I'd brush off over the years... those people were RIGHT!! Late to the party... :D
Funny you mentioned the ocd. Ive been digging my 808 into the ocd recently. Pretty heavy tones to be had. This got me thinking to flip the order to see what happens. Great video as always, Thanks!
Imo this is what makes stacking fun- I can take some of the drive pedals I have that have fixed parameters and no eq and run them through a pedal that has EQ, contour, presence, etc.- and totally change the sound. In fact, I have a few drive pedals I was going to get rid of because I didn't care for the way they sounded- until I ran them through a pedal that had the controls I wanted- now they sound amazing. The Rat for instance, not really my cup of tea- too muffled sounding, but you hit it with a midrange boost and keep the dist. turned way down- sounds great. It does a lot for my clean tone as well because I have all that eq ability built into my signal chain- just turn the drive pedals on and kill the gain. The only issue I run into sometimes- too many pre-amps. It can get a little aggravating sometimes when you have 3-4 different EQs in the chain to try and tweak.
I've been stacking a pantheon into a tumnus deluxe, but after watching this I am definitely going to try flipping them around! Great video!
I've been running a Nu-Tube into a MXR Zakk Wylde overdrive, it's definitely a different setup, very lively!
Really love this topic!
The Tumnus into the cranked Deluxe Reverb was great. If you just turn the treble a bit on the amp, I bet you’d have an amazing OD sound.
The klon is the most transparent clean boost ive ever heard. Not a transparent od but transparent clean boost. If you have an amp like a plexi or jcm800, the klon will give you more saturation (when used as a clean boost) but with very little colouration. I dont think its a very elegant circuit but its very utilitarian.
I've been using the Tumnus Deluxe running into a Boss Angry Driver. Pretty sweet!
I use both as well. Curious as to what settings you like the best. Thanks man!
I stacked an original bud box distortion plug into the tumnus tonight. It was cool. Volume up and gain down on the mxr, gave the tumnus such a thick fat bottom end.
yup, i always do gain staking in reverse. Put my Janray at the last of the dirt chain (but as first gain stage), then stack Klon style pedal into it for 2nd stage gain.
Same bro, I got the inspiration from mateus asato, im pairing my jan rey with a pantheon
dude. fuzz face into tumnus is amazing. make a 2 in 1 pedal. add a bass boost for the fuzz face and youll have a new best seller.
@goobtuber I honestly don't know cause I'm a volume on 10 all the time guy, but you've given me something to try!
or maybe the Fuzztraion and Tumnus dlx? Wait, maybe I should just buy both of those pedals, because I already love them but I don't own them yet. Probably that...
@@PoliteAF Fuzztration is the perfect fuzz imo. Total Swiss army style fuzz, capable of just about any fuzz tone you want
Band of Gypsies fuzz face mini after the mini Tumnus is insane🎸🤘🏼🇵🇹🇺🇸
@@carldemelo1132
I have those. Must try it.
Thank you sir for making the Tumnus. It is an outstanding tone shaper. I have a Boss BD-2W running into the Tumnus, which then runs into a Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop Transparent OD. With such a set up I have the option of running gain into the Tumnus, or the Tumnus into the Barbershop. Believe it or not, the Tumnus sounds awesome set on a lower gain with the BD-2W running into it. Sounds glorious!... And of course, it sounds great stacked into the Barbershop. As you've made clear, it does focus the signal beautifully. Thanks again for all you do.
So can we think of a pedal board as a macro circuit? Wonderful video.
I like to stack my drive pedals from less gainy od to one with most gain distortion. It's that because, on a high gain stage I would like the character of the more gainy pedal, that's why I have it in the first place. From Wampler I use a Plextortion right on the end of my gain stage and it works fine for me
Pantheon is my favourite pedal !
Recently, I came into possession of the Pantheon. I stack it with a Way Huge Swollen Pickle.
The tone is astounding!
Brian, thanks so very much for these videos! Thanks to you, my guitar tone is improving more than I thought possible! Best to you, sir! Cheers!
You must now have some Monster Tone, dude!!!!
Chris Perkins I did, until the footswitch on the pickle died. Now, I stack it with an Earthquaker Hoof. My God, the tone!!
Right on! I've always wondered how that works. Thanks!
I am currently running an OCD into a Beetronix Overhive into a Tumnus... quite enjoying the variabilities! Thanks for another great video, Brian!
Ive always liked the Tumnus 😊
That was very helpful. Thank you!
SD-1 with the volume dimed but no gain into a Rat with a low gain setting and I little tone cut is an absolutely killer tone.
I say this as often as often as i get a chance to, i built a Brian May style Treble Booster that sounds incredible and when i use it to boost the Klon Clone i also built its magic into my Marshall DSL100HR. The klon was just a pedal kit and one of the first kits i did and it sounds really great also. The warm/transparent tone of the klon works really great with the articulate high end/mid boost of the treble booster. I also added a tone selector switch to the treble booster and auditioned capacitors until i found the perfect ones for stock/treble boost, mid boost, and full range bass boost. But the Klon also sounds great being boosted by a normal TS9 for a more modern tone.
Wicked. I just bought both of these. Gonna try it.
Must get a Wampler pedal. I have a Eye See 78 into a BB-Pre. Sometimes I use a Dark Matter 2nd. Great info!!
Have a klon... Convinced now that I will be ordering a Patheon. Thanks for these awesome videos Brian.
Time for a 60 Cycle Hum collab with Wampler! :) Great video, and really instructive
Brian, have you ever taken apart a BBE Sonic Stomp (maximiser)? Would love to hear your take on that pedal and what it actually does to your signal. It’s an interesting one for sure.
Great video Brian! Especially for a relative newbie. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Stacking a fender pugilist with a fuzz…. Might be my next thing
This is the advise I'm looking fr. Thanks!
Thank you for another great vid Brian!! You, and your pedals are the best, and have improved my life a lot!!
Thanks Brian. Very helpful!
I use a XTS Tejas Boost into a Wampler Plexi Drive into a Reeves Custom 50. It's absolutely tone heaven.
The sound I like best in this video is just the Pantheon by itself. The second best sound is the Tumnus by itself.
Superbly helpful tutorial. A Proper education!
Very informative Brian, Thanks! I will now be swapping pedals this weekend
Tumnus into Belle both at low gain. Tasty sound.
love cranked sound from that pedals
Just got a TS style pedal and put it in front of my TC MojoMojo. I like the MojoMojo by itself but the TS tightens up all that low-end so well! I even get chunky palm mutes now! Additionally, the gain structures work together super well. I can have the gain dimed on both pedals and it sounds amazing. What a pleasant surprise!
Your speaking my language lol can't wait for the Paul Gilbert overdrive to come out so I can pair it with my wampler clarksdale
in other words, before you have the urge to buy another distortion or overdrive pedal, try playing with the settings of your current pedals and stack them in different ways, you have a lot of different "pedals" based on the flavors you end up with
Thank you Brian, this was a very informative video.
I need both of these.
That sounds incredible. All of it.
Amazing tones, and amazing tips... Thanks, hoss... Cheers from Nashville...
You nailed my thoughts at the end... A Klon style into my Ultimate Drive (OCD clone)... I'm normally a clean/single coil cat, so I don't have a ton of experience stacking gain... Thank you...
Heck that Pantheon sounds good! Might have to buy it to pair it with my Tumnus Deluxe :D
TUMNUS>Chuck Norris
Great content as usual Mr. Wampler! Keep em comin...
I already wanted to try both of these pedals and now you made this video..... hahah great tips! I currently stack a TS mini into an OCD to get my tones, but none of them have a lot of EQ options
Good advice! I'm going to try these concepts in the HX Stomp.
Wow that was excellent Brian. Gain stacking experimentation here we come!
Thanks so much greetings
I run my euphoria v2 into the tumnus deluxe. Love them
Im thinking about running a del mar by bondi effects into the tumnus deluxe. your thoughts?
outstanding job on this topic
Brian did an amazing job with the Pantheon. Remember when it came out. Allot of critics. Now is one (if not the best) Blues breaker type circuits around. Not much to say about the Tumnus but LEGENDARY!!! God blesd!!!
And what was the reason for us not having a Pantheon deluxe were one side is the tummnus again?!
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Would buy in a heartbeat. Running TSmini > Pantheon > TumnusDlx > Wamp-rat right now, into Mesa Boogie Fillmore 50. Tone options playing live are astounding. Thanks, Brian. I. Want. A. Tumtheon.
@@wampler_pedals were you thinking of the Gear Box or is there something more up your sleeve?