Finishing The Impossible State with Imam Tom
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00:00 📚 Imam Tom discusses the book "The Impossible State" by Wael B. Hallaq and its relevance to modern society.
02:12 🏛️ Modern nation-states aim to produce obedient and productive citizens through various institutions.
11:26 💡 The ideal modern citizen is characterized by submission to the state's ruling order and productivity.
15:38 📖 State education shapes modern subjects, emphasizing productivity and conformity.
21:08 🚺 The state promotes specific values, affecting women's roles and self-perception.
28:27 👪 The family's role has shifted from a moral collective to a unit of production influenced by the nation-state.
30:16 👥 The state assumes the role of the father in the family, deciding children's education, often at odds with traditional values.
33:04 🌐 Nationalism displaces other identities and becomes the primary identity in modern nation-states.
37:26 💼 Materialistic views in modern nation-states can lead to secularization.
44:10 ⚖️ Islamic subjectivity differs from modern nation-states in legislation, historical experience, and education.
49:13 🕌 Sharia unifies legality and morality.
01:10:06 🏫 Decentralized and independent education is crucial in Islamic governance.
01:21:17 💰 Islam's economy safeguards Deen (religion), life, intellect, family, and wealth.
01:25:17 🗺️ Instrumentally using the nation-state is problematic; it's imbued with Western Enlightenment values.
01:29:24 🤝 The nation-state assumes an anthropocentric perspective of sovereignty, contrary to Islamic theology.
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00:00 📚 Imam Tom discusses the book "The Impossible State" by Wael B. Hallaq and its relevance to modern society.
02:12 🏛️ Modern nation-states aim to produce obedient and productive citizens through various institutions.
11:26 💡 The ideal modern citizen is characterized by submission to the state's ruling order and productivity.
15:38 📖 State education shapes modern subjects, emphasizing productivity and conformity.
21:08 🚺 The state promotes specific values, affecting women's roles and self-perception.
28:27 👪 The family's role has shifted from a moral collective to a unit of production influenced by the nation-state.
30:16 👥 The state assumes the role of the father in the family, deciding children's education, often at odds with traditional values.
33:04 🌐 Nationalism displaces other identities and becomes the primary identity in modern nation-states.
37:26 💼 Materialistic views in modern nation-states can lead to secularization.
44:10 ⚖️ Islamic subjectivity differs from modern nation-states in legislation, historical experience, and education.
49:13 🕌 Sharia unifies legality and morality.
01:10:06 🏫 Decentralized and independent education is crucial in Islamic governance.
01:21:17 💰 Islam's economy safeguards Deen (religion), life, intellect, family, and wealth.
01:25:17 🗺️ Instrumentally using the nation-state is problematic; it's imbued with Western Enlightenment values.
01:29:24 🤝 The nation-state assumes an anthropocentric perspective of sovereignty, contrary to Islamic theology.
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Imam Tom is a gem and a blessing to this ummah MashaAllah. May Allah protect imam Tom
Ameen
Ameen, but all he did was explain the arguments of a book🤷♂️
@@misabpa7480Unless you're going to read the book and have the intellectual chops to comprehend it - Imam Tom's lucid explanations and elaboration of the arguments are a godsend.
An Italian-American and a quintessential Englishman defending our Deen. Subhaan Allah.
Surely Allah guides whom he wills! Alhamdulillah.
This is a precious talk by the way, thank you both gentlemen
Wow, just wow! What a series of lectures, discussions and analysis. Imam Tom is so knowledgeable, Paul is a perfect foil and Wael Halleq is an intellectual heavyweight. I am so impressed!
It has really given me a paradigm shift and the first rule of law being prayer, how beautiful is that!?!
I am sure I will be listening to it all again and might well try to tackle the book!
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Glad you enjoyed it!
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته، ،
Thank you brother paul, its it's always gret to listen to brother Tom .
Thank you so much Paul and Tom, this book discussion series has been very informative! I hope the next book to discuss has already been decided!!
Imam Tom has such a pleasant personality, Allahumma barik, very academic and articulate Masha'Allah
It's good to see it's been re uploaded (I noticed the original upload ended abruptly). This was a very important and enlightening interview with iman Tom. Jazakallahq khair to both you Paul and iman Tom.
Yes sorry about that!
I think he was fixing a broken upload. The new version is over 30 minutes longer.
Excited beyond measure🎉🎉🎉
Mashaallah!!
Great job both of you, we need more like you guys in this world..
Imaam Tom is a blessing in our community, most humble and trustworthy person, May Allah continue his blessings upon him and his beautiful family ❤
Truly the sort of awareness and analytical thinking that Islam needs but unfortunately didn’t come out for decades of research stagnation.. We’re blessed to have such scholars and thankfully there’s a blessing in social media
Bless yourself by wearing hijab. This is fard. Without fard, everything is just empty talk.
The author of the book is a Christian, I don't know why we look at this matter through a non Muslim thinker
@@ibrahimhashlamon6994if you would like to hear Muslim intellectuals speaking (or writing) on this all you need do is look. There are plenty from Zaytuna and Cambridge Muslim college. The point of going through this book is that it brings many very complex things together in one place with a succinct explanation, and that the author, a Christian, is coming from an outside perspective having studied intensively shariah, and even he agrees that shariah is the optimal governing system.
If you go to video 1 of this series and listen to the whole thing perhaps you will understand better.
I don't think I awaited anything to be uploaded for this long other than this discussion.
Allah bless you both for the insight and wisdom.
Jazakallah Khair Brother Paul for providing this platform for the erudite Imam Tom to educate the Muslim Ummah on the challenges that face us, individually and collectively, in this time of Dajjal. We must begin, each of us, to make our homes and our families a sanctuary where the teaching and practice of the Quran is primary: developing the discipline and mindset of the importance of the five daily prayers which can and should lead to taqwa - the foundation of Islamic society.
Great presentation! Thank you..
Always a pleasure listening to Imam Tom. Salam-o-Alekum and JazakAllah.
May Allah bless you for your efforts.
May Allah Bless and Reeard Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Reeard? Are you speaking English, Chinese, Maltese, or Arabic?
Oh nvm probably reward* lol
Warmest Salem to both of you from a French, straight from a country deeply in line with this subject.😅
I was eager to watch the end of it, and see what you've prepared to come next.
Salam aleykoum, la partie anglophone de notre umma est vraiment dynamique et loin en avance sur le monde francophone. Je connais très peu de ressources en français et la qualité est loin de celle des anglophones, malheureusement.
@@karimb972 J'te jure. Cette série d'épisodes sur The impossible State est dingue ! J'en ai même fait la publicité auprès d'un ami imam qui partage à présent l'idée que TOUS les prédicateurs et même les musulmans lambdas doivent connaître des rudiments de ce qui développé ici.
love you both from Pakistan
Kindly don't forget to have a session for the articles which critiqued the book. Jazakallahu khairan
Imam Tom is a treasure. The Impossible State is a must read. I am trying to source it here in South Africa. Thank you for sharing.
One of the Best minds 💚 to gain clarity & obtain knowledge from in present scenario !
Jzk khair for both of your contributions. We appreciate it so much.
As children, we play football, soccer, baseball, basketball, tennis, etc. for fun. We role play as cops and robbers or superheroes for fun.
Professional athletes play the same games we played for fun for a hefty paycheck. Actors role play like children for hefty paychecks.
Mother's who stay in their homes are workers. They are just not working for a paycheck. They are working to keep their house and family strong and secure from negative outside influences. They are working to raise their children above the low standards of modern society.
Poor man holds up a sign that reads, "Will Work For Food"
Materialist man holds up a sign that reads, "Will Work For Money"
Muslim man holds up a sign that reads, "Will Work For All Things Good & True and Against All Evil & Falsehood For The Sake Of Allah."
Everyone works. The difference is in what we work towards and why we do it.
In the Uk, it’s a proper nanny state and therefore everything and everyone is completely under the control of state . Never really thought about it until now. Thanks so much . So many things to think through ….
one of the best series on this channel
Thanks for the lengthy presentation. Excellent book. Much eye opener.
Mashallah! Allahuma zed wa barek, eagerly waiting for the next upload already.
Many thanks🙏
This was a fantastic series. Looking forward to more with Imam Tom in the future in shaa Allah
This series is incredible and the book is wonderful. Always a pleasure listening to Imam Tom and Paul. I am really grateful, Sir.
Brilliant as usual. Enjoyed the series.
Looking forward to hearing Tom again in a future show responding to Critiques & Replies to the book which he mentioned earlier on the show.
May Allah bless you brothers with His mercy and barakah
Masha' Allah Tabarak Allah. Thanks to both of you for this wonderful episode.
I'm just shocked that the author of the book is not a Muslim! They have such a deep understanding of Islam, it's just incredible.
This is just amazing, waiting to get my copy to arrive and read it myself. But these summaries are really worth in gold❤️ love them, Jazak Allah khair
Halfway through,
Absolutely brilliant analysis 🧐
Masha Allah. Thank you Imam Tom for these series.
Another excellent video Paul. Imam Tom is a real gem mashallah
Thank you, Paul and Imam Tom. Really great discussion
May Allah preserve imam tom and his brilliant mind and bless brother Paul for providing such a platform for the ummah to gain from
Excellent presentation
This is one of the best episodes in BT!!
Barakallahu feekum really learned a lot
Thank you! A worthful & brilliant/smart analysis/knowledge discussions, directly exposing unguided schools leading to problem creations in today life. May Allah guides us & bless these gentlemen. Aamiin!
The nation-state, which emerged in Europe after the Enlightenment to address specific European challenges, inexplicably morphed into a supposedly universal model, partially due to colonialism, with profound global repercussions. Hallaq's insightful analysis brilliantly elucidates this connection with the Muslim world.
Love these two beautiful brothers for the sake of Allah
May Allah keep their hearts guided and increae them in goodness
Omg yes. Honestly one of the most thorough and insightful books. Wael Hallaq did well on this book.
can't wait to watch this one God willing
whoa...this is eye opening.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant masha'Allah. This gives me hope
Brilliant as always. May Allah bless both of you and Wael Halaq for this great work.
Thank you for rectifying the fault in the previous upload.
Turn this into a playlist please
islamic figure with political background is actually very needed in this day, may Allah bless you Imam Tom.
Very interesting and illuminating in many ways. I find much of what Tom says is right on the nail about western governments and society, however I still have concerns about Islam in particular areas such as the role of women, the imposition of Sharia law and the treatment of animals.
So much knowledge
Assalam-o-Alikum wa Rahmat-u-Allah to both my dear brothers. Quite a wonderful discussion on the book. However, brother Tom mentioned a few personal comments / agreements that could have employed more inferences / reflections in light of Divine teachings; and which can bring successful ways out of the unexpected or un thought of. May Allah SWT increase us all in beneficial use of HIS Supreme Guidance and companionship Aameen. Moreover, In these modern times there is an Shariah compliant Islamic State in the making which needs practical / consultative / scholarly support of Islamic Academia and can give modernity a miraculous beacon of morality and Islamic ideology in an exemplary manner while all others are seemingly hell bent to mold this state towards their defined governance systems. I hope you could take an initiative in this regards insha Allah. May Allah's blessings be with all of us. Aameen
MashaAllah
I literally can't believe that a man (Hallaq) who has written all this is not a Muslim. What he has written is not merely a mind game__I believe that it only comes when your heart truly accepts its truthfulness. Wallah U Alam!
Man, it would be awedome if these two became familiar with Shahid Bolsen's content, with his background they could learn a lot and enrich their understanding of the world. Also his rhetoric is impeccable.
Are you joking .. they will learn a lot from this smooth madkhali ? ...
Mashallah. Beautiful!
Thank you tom and paul for this wonderful subject. I suggest you follow with Dr.jameel akbar and his book "kas alhaq" which very relevant to this topic about the boundaries of the state and its involvement in the subjects life.
Love the talk, very informative and a joy to listen too.
One thing i think is missing from the argument for apostasy punishment is that you (or rather Halaq) did not take under consideration some disbelievers that also live with the Muslims in an Islamic society. If the argument is that apostates are a danger to the fabric of society because they are no longer kept in check via the shared islamic moral values, then this surely also applies to disbelievers who were never Muslims to begin with. Yet those disbelievers are left in peace as long as they dont transgress against the rest of society.
Declare your jihad on thirteen enemies you cannot see - Egoism, Arrogance, Conceit, Selfishness, Greed, Lust, Intolerance, Anger, Lying, Cheating, Gossiping and Slandering. If you can master and destroy them, then will be ready to fight the enemy you can see.
Al-Ghazali
You must interview Dr. Brad S. Gregory -The Unintended Reformation -
24:49 this surely is a headless monster. Good point.
Masha Allah
MashaAllah🤲🏻
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Allah’s blessings be on you both🕊️
It is interesting how Imam Tom avoids saying Islamic (State) and instead uses society - an observation. 💚
May allah give us all Baraka and Guidance
That is following Hallaq, since his thesis is that the State is anti-Islamic. We need something else.
A very mature discussion which is very much needed in an immature state Muslims are in.
Salaam to you both. I would be glad to have all of the videos available. Is this under the heading of 'blogging theology'?
MashaAllah ❤🎉
1:15:00 true they embargoed Uganda,🇺🇬 but alhamdulillah god feeds us.
AsalamAleykum shekh Poul and Imam Tom !
Wa alaykumu s-salam
Where can we address some questions related to some points ?
e.g : Imam Tom indicates that Mr Hallaq says that before the modern era none of the empire wanted to rule people thoughts (if I get it right). But what about the Catholic Church and the inquisition ?
Thx to who will answer me.
Allahu Akbar ❤❤❤
the re-upload added more minutes,i see
yes
God bless you both
Excellent daring subject !!!
Capitalism is based on the survival of the fittest (strongest) , no mercy
as Adam Smith and
Darwin said
On the other side islam is based on mercy
Mercy sometime prevails over justice
Islam put brake on overuse, over-consumption
Islam order Muslim to strike balance in their consumption whatever wealth the Muslim has accumulated
so that the business tycoons wage war against Islam
M.g.
1sept. 2023
Can’t express how wonderfully handsome and peaceful you look with those lovely beards in your face Mr.Paul 😊, lately I came to know that Allah feels embarrassed to refuse demands from bearded people specially with white beard ( suppose it has something to do with age and wisdom) . Hope you pray for all of us 😅
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When are you guys going to do an analysis on “Restating Orientalistism?”
Soon, inshaa Allah
May Alloh bless you. Alloh Akbar
Please invite Shahid Bolson.
❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹
family ... school ... police
the three degrees of co-ercive force the state imposes on its subjects
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Great series ma sha Allah.
The reason why the kuffaar are able to mess with the lexicon and change the meanings of words is because of their extensive propaganda machine.
They only need that because they have a logically weak argument.
We have a strong argument so we don't need to play games with language like that. We just need to know our facts and remind them of their own hypocrisy. Then whoever Allah guides will see it for what it is
Capital has great mobility, labor very little.
Why impossible, it’s actually possible!
İmam Tom looks exactly like Harris who converted to Islam , in Ertuğrul ( Tv series )
Very well spoken in the matters of " the Deen". The question is, which Deen is he talking on. Definitely not the Deen according to Allah.
He speaks on a Deen created by men, like him, who have put this laws, the such of apostasy law, which is, literally, whomsoever doesn't pray their 5 daily salaats must be killed because he, the person who don't pray, is considered an outlaw of their Deen.
Now the question is, does Allah asks that? The answer is NO.
Proof; sura Al Imran Aya 90 and sura annisaa Aya 137.
It is up to Allah to punish whosoever disbelieves after he's believed. Not up to any man.
See, these kind of people preach a religion parallel to that which Allah has asked.
Sura Al Imran Aya 19 which says in it "the Deen according to Allah is Islam" and here Allah means Deen as a way of living and not religion as they claim. Islam is a peaceful way of living amongst mankind. The root word for Islam is "silm" translating to peace and not submittion as they claim. Alla has created man with a free will of choice. To believe or not to believe.
But no, they have made man a slave of Allah, their Allah not the Allah of the Qur'an but the Allah of their books. Even the messenger whom they preach about is not the messenger of the Qur'an but of their creation.
Who gave them the right to judge others.
You need to clarify your understanding of Islam, if you indeed claim to be a Muslim . You could be a bot or a HASBARA agent . Allaho Alam
Very very good. We need more British White origin muslim to influence the britain goverment
Wow iam so excited,,,,, when is imam jerry coming,,,?
The real preservation of Self is Islam.
The only Freedom is following Islam.
Allahu Akbar.
I wish Hajj could be be done from anywhere on earth and not restricted to a particular country and regime.
It won't be hajj then
@@salehhamad4587 i know 😢
Prof. Wael Hallaq is a distinquished professor at Columbia University and he is the most cited author in his field, over 10000 times which make him the best scholar on Islam in today's world!
The religion of the scholar is unrelated and has nothing to do of being the best scholar on Islam!
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ بِالْقِسْطِ شُهَدَاءَ لِلَّهِ وَلَوْ عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَوِ الْوَالِدَيْنِ وَالْأَقْرَبِينَ ۚ إِن يَكُنْ غَنِيًّا أَوْ فَقِيرًا فَاللَّهُ أَوْلَىٰ بِهِمَا ۖ فَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا الْهَوَىٰ أَن تَعْدِلُوا ۚ وَإِن تَلْوُوا أَوْ تُعْرِضُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
( النساء الآية 135)
4: 135
This verse above ordains
Muslim to testify with the truth even if it is against himself and his family!!!
M. G.
1 September 2023
I believe President Obama was referring the Western perception that women are not given THE OPTION of contributing to society outside the home in Saudi Arabia. If half of the country's geniuses are not allowed to exercise their genius it is society's loss. If the Muslim response is that no women are geniuses, I have to reject that. My personal experience rule's that conclusion out. I have known several female geniuses who have made the world a better place through their work outside the home. I'll wager that you rely on and take for granted many elements provided to you by women who operate outside the home, while criticizing the idea of women providing those to you outside the home.
Who else want to see them collaborate with Shahid Bolsen?
Yep, but I'm content with them familiarising with his content.
The author of the book cited is clueless about economics. The corporation is an economically essential format for undertaking large-scale projects beyond the capacity of one or, sometimes, a thousand individuals. It makes it possible to issue shares in proportion to one's resources. More important, investors may unexpectedly need liquidity, and corporations obtain funds for long-term investments while the investments of individual investors could be short-term if they so desire. There are a host of other benefits. Without limited liability, it is not possible to have a modern economy. Mindless insistence on tradition means we must ride on donkeys instead of cars. The problem arises when we conclude the knife is bad because someone used it to commit murder. We need to look deeper into the causes of immorality.
Throughout history, the core problem of society has been excessive wealth, giving rise to a plutocracy (in the Quran: So as not to arise a state of the wealthy amongst you). Therefore, wealth is necessary for economic advancement, but we must limit it to prevent it from becoming a tool for political dictatorship and all the abuses that follow from it, such as monopolies, wars, etc.
Logic fail. "without limited liability it's not possible to have a modern economy." That's the whole point, the modern economy is slaughtering the earth quickly and all of us as well, it is an existential threat that must be radically reconfigured. Are you going to tolerate an existential threat for short-term liquidity? Are you going to saw off the branch upon which you sit in order to harvest wood? Keep your head up! Think bigger!
Food for the akal… sound rational arguments for the reality of Revelations utility for the human race.