TF2: F2P LIVES MATTER
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
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A player ought to be judged by the content of his character, not by the color of his gibus.
Valve is NOT greedy btw, this is the price of freedom...
Valve small indie company pls understand sar 7 years is not enough time to minimally maintain a game that brings in millions annually...
LOOK THEY MADE A TWEET! WE HASHTAG SAVED TF2!!!
STOP BUYING HATS? MADNESS!
0:00 Intro
1:33 Second class players
15:48 7 YEARS
20:22 #savetf2
25:34 Turning away noobs
27:51 Outro - Hry
Gabber will lead the TF2 renaissance at this rate. Keep it up mate, these videos help me to realise I'm not slowly going insane from my exposure to this declining community.
And holy shit I genuinely had no clue about F2P votes being fully invalidated like that. There have been so many situations where we're kicking a bot with 7 - 3 or something like that, and the bot doesn't get kicked for some reason, leaving everyone confused as hell. Now I know the reason why.
gabber is our only hope
The only reason Valve even muted the f2p players is because the bots started joining matches and just spamming the n-word and it got some game journalists to write articles about Valve being complacent with racism. That really lit a fire under their ass and actually got them to do something.
If you really wanna solve the bot crisis you gotta change the rules, pivot to complaining that the bots are racist/transphobic and affecting PoC players the most and Valve will do nothing to help because gabe's inaction mean that hes probably in the klan and supports the bots.The only thing big game companies fear is bad publicity and getting cancelled by the focused waves of the internet hate machine, you gotta use that to your advantage somehow.
Valve apologists are people I will never understand, they are a complete waste of air. Valve makes billions a year, millions per month. They could definitely get people to manually ban bots and cheaters and have them on payroll- instead of developing a new anti-cheat system (that will probably still suck).
And it's been 7 years of this, most companies would've tried to fix this shit as fast as possible, within the same week, but Valve can afford to ditch us and keep the cash cow around instead.
Valve is inherently incompitent and they fucking suck.
Thank for your input mr. niche micro-celebrity, when will you sell your TF2 inventory to prove you actually care about this game?
Valve censoring F2Ps is the 3/5ths compromise of TF2
That was not even the first time Valve took the easiest approach which ironically ended up doing more harm than good without fixing the issue: Remember when somebody made a wallhack mod (not a cheat program, a mod) and Valve solution was to disable all visual mods outside community servers ?
Funke made a vid about it too back in the day.
Lets not forget that they are now flooding the game file size with maps.
14 new summer maps
12 new halloween maps
10 new smissmas maps and all in 2023
And most of those maps are either reskins or straight up bad
@@benyerd6247 and the good maps are never picked
A lot of the new maps are bad, but i'd still prefer that over hats and taunts. You still get some gems like Phoenix.
Would be good if they put all of them into some sort of "nu-map" category.
Oh and they could also re-add rd_asteroid and pl_cactuscanyon into the rotation. Because what reason is there not to? Obviously not saving space.
@@GODber777 Phoenix enjoyer, based
@@benyerd6247 What do you mean, venice being an overwatch map in scale and pacing makes total sense!
I recently got my younger stepbrother into TF2, he absolutely loves it. But he is restricted to playing against bots in Offline Practice mode because I genuinely couldn't recommend any community servers or Casual to him, knowing what goes on with this game.
If TF2 still had Quickplay, he would at least be able to play the regular game against actual players. He would get destroyed, but at least he would be able to play against real people.
nah, i think he can still play in community servers
You're totally right. You aren't allowed to have any skill as a f2p anymore (especially as sniper) lest you get vote kicked for hacking, it's not like you can defend yourself from accusations in chat. No new player wants to put up with this, eventually the fresh blood is going to dry up and TF2 will rely on a dwindling pool of veteran players to keep it afloat (which will only make it more unwelcoming to newbies). Sad to see one of the most important parts of gaming, no, internet culture in general slowly die because of mismanagement. Valve obviously takes most of the blame but it shouldn't be forgotten that many big TF2 youtubers were begging for skill based matchmaking before MYM. The saddest part is that MYM didn't just ruin matchmaking and custom servers, it led to many fun items like the caber being nerfed in service of Valve's competitive-first philosophy. TF2 is just a way less fun/unique game than it used to be and it's very frustrating to see it turn out this way.
Community server chat is so accurate, being in the oceanic region there’s scant few community servers in general and absolutely 0 community servers for the vanilla game it’s all 24hr Hightower/2fort (kill me) or afk “trade” servers
I miss being able to type whatever map no matter how niche into the community server search bar and find just a normal vanilla game running that map
Yeah playing in Australia is becoming damn-near impossible lately. I stopped playing for about 2 weeks, and when I came back TF2 was almost completely unplayable (like, genuinely for the first time ever for me because there's always at-least one random casual you can join that would be fine; but not in this case) and the playercounts are just now dipping to early 2020 levels. I was only able to play from some Aus hightower server that, I kid you not, was the only server I could join at the time with players.
I have a friend who used to host bots (not a large ammount, only 4) and we found out one day when I paid him a visit how VAC works 100%. I don't know what prompted this, but we looked up all of his boat accounts and they were suprisingly, VAC banned! only a few months after he stopped running them. More interesting though is that his account that he was a blantant cheater on and that was older than all of his bots wasn't banned. Why was that the case? I'll tell you what I think happened. It couldn't be an AI because 1). Why would have taken so long for an CSGO overwatch style AI to ban a blantantly cheating bot account that was active for at least two years? 2) If it was an AI, Why are there so many premium bot accounts when it should just ban them instantly? And 3) Why would it only ban him when he wasn't active for months?
So in light of that information, the only logical concusion I could come to was that it was a manual ban. It most likely was one guy at Valve scrolling through a massive list of reported accounts and checking to see if the profile was barren enough and had a comparitively large ammount of sniper playtime to be able to confidently assume it was a bot. There are however some programs (like cheat engine) that will give you a VAC ban automatically if you use them in a server. This is (most likely) achived by having some list of naughty programs in Valve's servers somewhere that checks whatever you are running and compares it to that. Unfortunately for them, TF2 cheats are either downloaded with a unique program hash, or in the case of cathook (the cheat the bots use) you download the source code and build it yourself, bypassing it completely.
In concusion, VAC is: Eric Smith and a text file.
Oh, and this is how I found out that F2P votes are worthless. He fixed a "bug" with his party of bots not being able to kick by upgrading them all to premium.
I'm so sorry for anyone who has never played this game until now in its current state. This was THE best multiplayer game to play in the early 2010's, and now it's been reduced to this pathetic mess we see today. All because of the utter retardation from Valve's worthless TF2 team and their infinite greed. I knew before finding your channel that current day TF2 was terrible, but all of your videos as of lately helped me to understand why. You also helped to solidify my hatred for Valve more than ever with this video.
Valve created voter disenfranchisement and people cheered
I also still have a person on my friends list who gave me a cloak and dagger back in 2012 when I started playing cause it was a real nice gesture that really stuck with me. Good times.
The only reason this game is as undead as it is, is because it's objectively a great game that nobody has managed to match and it retains its older dedicated audience. What are we gonna do, play Overwatch?
Also I agree with 18:24. I live in the eastern US, which is the most populated region in the world for games in general, and over the course of about a year I managed to mute almost every single bot. One day I noticed they quit micspamming, so I look and see the exact same accounts I muted months ago are in the server botting. There are few enough bots to make this a valid strategy
the greatest fall from grace of a video game ever.
Gabber is spitting out facts. This is why we need CZcamsrs like you.
Honestly the theory that its about money makes Valve seem more competent than they acttually are. Im willing to bet that Eric Smith just forgot that they implemented this at this point.
I like the way you don't say your v's
Me and my younger cousin play this game all the time but almost every map we join is bots and this could be easily fixed by this multibillion dollar company
When it comes to situations, i really wonder what was crossing their mind when they were thinking about a solution like this. I also have a lil theory that even if savetf2 made it out there and triggered valve to the point where they actually fix the bots, but one thing they won't revert is the F2P mute. Thats the thing i been thinking about lately. Anyway, great video.A nicely done job of explaining this chaos. Have a great day!
To these situations*
Obviously, they won't revert it. It brings them money. By muting f2p they bring money to call for medic. So yeah. They probably won't do anything about it.
groomertopia is hilarious
Isn't it funny how the 2D "De-make" of TF2, Gang Garrison 2, is a more stable and accurate representation of the real game nowadays than the hollow corpse of the original? People might as well play that if they want the vanilla experience in the modern day.
I've been playing since 2020, and what has become of this game pisses me off to no end. I might end up offloading my backpack if nothing is done about this. Fuck Valve.
1:21 WHO GAVE BRO THE N-WORD PASS?!?
me
i did
This is why I buy tickets and stuff from third parties or trades, so VALVe doesn't get my cash money no more. You can probably crawl up the grease pipeline and say "well someone else spent money to put that item on the market muhh" but when an item goes third party and I buy it somewhere else or trade something for it, it puts a tiny little petty dent on their cash flow that I feel smug about.
I’m confused cuz I bought the valve pack my tf2 is still muted but I can call votes and vote in them
I bought premium upgrade for an f2p and he had the same problem. You need to have premium upgrade AND spend at least 5$ on your steam account before you can talk in game. It’s stupid and I hate it.
i really cant imagine playing tf2 as a new player today if someone recommended me this game and i queued into 5 different bot games i would've just laughed at the person who recommended me it. even as a paid player for years i can't stand these servers so i know a lot of f2ps have probably just not bothered playing the game lol. my only hope is skaia which actually started hosting normal casual servers, we need more of those and less 24/7 2fort matches.
i hope in the future we get an actual good game inspired by tf2 so no one has to get a shit about valve. i'm not sure how likely that is to happen though because i think they're noticing how easy they are to replace as a game company now so they're getting more stingy with people who make mods of their games (funny for a company who came from modding).
I don't even know if Valve cares about TF2's income. The more recent Valve always goes nuclear, either lazyness or lack of competence.
If they do dislike earning less from TF2 then they will do something. But I fear that they just don't really care and just turn off the lights.
And yet, maybe a reaction is worth more than relying on the whales for the status quo bias we might have gotten used to, with the slight sliver of hope that heavy might be reworked or something.
Groomertopia 🙏🗣️🔥
I have played a few matches about a week ago but before then I hadn't touched the game in ages, like a year or two... I was a f2p before the great silencing™ and I was a med main ... I couldn't ask a heavy for a sandwich, tell the soldier I was running kritz, heavy the vaccinator does do something stop being a coward and push, I couldn't vote against bots, the big three voice commands was medic! , go go go and thanks... it made things so much harder for me to just do my job when compared to a random spy player or sniper, and one of the worst feelings was when you get a vote called on you and you couldn't defend yourself, I know that since it happened to me. I eventually spent money on the game so I could speak and it was a massive change.
babe wake up gabber uploaded his new half hour rant.
also love your content man
Man they should just remove casual and add a vanilla filter for community servers at this point, would be better than the current shithole. The community updating sourcemod anticheat does the rest.Then again, just add quickplay back
Just realized that TF2 players who buys hats and keys in A.D.2024 are no different from cashcows in WoW and FFXIV. But hey if they want to carry on being beaten housewives for Valve and wasting their cash on " _The World's Biggest Hat Collecting Simulator!!_ " all the power to them.
ever since I found this channel I now watch your videos all day lol
#FUCKTF2
I'm getting reformed by this video. Selling my backpack soon.
This needs More Views!
He is the messiah
tf2 vr in broken glass and tf2c is in danger
New strategy to incentivize Valve: for every bot steam account they ban, that’s another $5 the bot hosters have to pay Valve to get another premium account. Free money, the only language Valve can understand!
You can get premium for 2 cents lmao
ZestyJ is too mild for me and I cant take this anymore
I choose Gabber as my voice
no more nice guy
just righteous Wrath
its crazy that as im watching this video im playing tf2 and i look over at the screen and the same bot plaguing his game was also in my game
I suggest trying tf2c since it has no bots and new weapons and works with the main idea of OG tf2
It still is not the same thing
@@solidusgadget give me another tf2 feeling game/fan project that feels like tf2 ill download
I'm Tired, Boss.
7:17 Every time i hear about play on "community servers" i swear i will lose it. tf2 used to have like over 4k community servers back in 2015. and you could easily join even the least played maps, hydro was playable and dead game modes like arena were still a thing. honestly, we need the 2014 Quickplay that let you join Vanilla tf2 community servers. now a days, we got bad community competitive (uncletopia) skial servers with bots players and fake ping. or dead servers, many many dead servers.
F2PLM
feels bad man.
13:39 I honestly think the theory of Valve make it worse for f2p to make an extra 5 bucks to be illogical. because i am pretty sure one whale unboxing spree after an update would pay for over 1000 f2p accounts (i am super underestimating how much Valve make after they release new lootbox). I would have believed you that it was a malicious act by Valve if buying premium was the main source of revenue tf2 make. but no, loot boxes is what make money for tf2.
Don't confuse malicious intent for incompetence and lacking a will to do their job. Valve is super lazy. Valve is about the least amount of effort with the most return. and i don't know man but i am sure what CS2 make in an hour after an update is more than what tf2 make in the whole year. Valve got the resources, THEY CAN FIX IT. they just unwilling. the only reason why tf2 is still a thing because it's bad for PR if anything happened to tf2. that why they muted the f2p. it was bad PR when news outlets and people who outside sphere/echo chamber got news of bot saying bad BAD words. And i don't know about you but a PR damage to Valve is worse than any boycott. Valve got the money to outlive all of us but they can't just buy PR if they lose their good guy image. This why save tf2 should be reoccuring thing and not just "we did it patrick. we saved the city". keep the pressure on Valve and never shut up.
Small criticism toward you. I appreciate you speaking from the heart here. but you gotta sometime disconnect to see things from outside. people get too caught up in outdated facts and believes they have. they end up not realizing the tide is moving. this opinion/point of the video is example of that. ask for second opinion and try to verify your facts. that being said. i don't say you are lying here, i do think parts of Valve did sabotage and deemed tf2 unprofitable (even if that true compared to dota 2 cs2 and steam) i don't think Valve need that 5$ from f2p when someone can unbox 20 loot boxs after an update.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gem alert
Good rant as per usual, keep it up hoss
Hell fuck yeah
You sound like if Fhilty Frank was Italian xd
Based.
Hey youre that annoying spy from the hightower community server! Awesome!!!
I disagree with your conclusion about meet your match being the source of the issue, but I am very happy that someone finally said something about the problems plaguing F2Ps. I haven't been able to recommend this game to any of my friends in good faith because I know that not only will they face bots, but they'll face the inability to use basic functions of the base game.
Ok, I get all of this and agree, this is why I play exclusively on community servers even if it isn't fully vanilla TF2, it's at least a playable game unlike in Casual mode.
However, this is 30 minutes of complaining with no substance.
I won't complaing about complainers, that's just crying over spilt milk, but I will say that I don't understand it. Nobody really achieved anything by complaining, action has to be taken, yet all of these videos I see about "the state of TF2" is all talking about how bad the game has become relative to when it was relatively fresh and Valve made good updates. But, there is no constructiveness in it; nobody is giving ideas on what to do, the best we got was SaveTF2, which was too pacifist to do much even if it was wholesome at the very least.
Just people complaining and complaining without much constructive criticism. To some degree, I get it, it's been nearly a decade and this shit is still going on; but I would rather either focus on the fun I do have playing TF2, or give ideas on how to improve it, even if it's unlikely for anything to change.
I think Valve does at least owe us a proper video game, something that-- y'know-- functions as it's meant to.
But to just whine without thinking about "Hm, well how would we go about doing that?" and formulating some kind of informed opinion instead of seeing bots and crying would lead to a lot more understanding if not proper change.
Let's encourage Valve to hire more people for TF2. Perform a boycott of crates and cosmetics, a new SaveTF2, but not one where we just say "pretty please" and nothing else. Let's find trained people in cyber security or source game making and encourage them to try and get into Valve, let's encourage Eric Smith to speak out about TF2. Let's get interviews going-- there are things we can do, maybe it would all amount to nothing, but it would be a lot better than just getting angry over and over for the next several years, repeating the cycle.
Let's try something new, do something bigger and better, make more informed decisions and be constructive with how we try to improve the game. It's possible. But spitting foam from our frothing rage-filled mouths at our monitors accomplishes nothing.
We tried constructive criticism. Valve didn’t give a shit.
@@dompan9169 Doesn't make complaining a better option. We just try again, this time spice it up in some way. Even if it amounts to nothing, there's still a better chance of something being done by being constructive and coming up with ideas, rather than just feeling bad and swearing into a mic to validate yourself and others for feeling bad. I get why people do it, but it doesn't accomplish anything, just perpetuates a negativity further into an already negative situation.
"I won't complaining about complainers",
proceeds to type out paragraph complaining about someone complaining
Funny. Listen man. If you think that expressing frustration over a game, which once was the best multiplayer game ever made turning into irredeemable shit is unwarranted after years of neglect and obvious disdain from the devs, then i don't know what to tell you. Ok, you're very cool, calm and collected. I'm not.
I'm angry. I have the right to be angry. And i will continue being angry. Your "constructive and informed decisions" have brought great progress in the last 7 years. Blow me.
@@GODber777 I never said it was unwarranted, I completely understand the hatred and spite, and to a large degree, I am the same way. I hate the current state of TF2. I despise bots and bot hosters; watching that one bideo where a guy got impersonated by bots just for calling out the hoster made me so beyond pissed, because that is such a massive "fuck you" that they can't do anything about.
It sucks. Casual is in ruin. Valve is profiting off of an unkempt game. And it feels like such a let down after years of good updates and obvious care from the devs, just to be met with sudden silence and neglect.
It sucks. I don't agree with Valve. All that. I get salty, too.
The point I was making is that this bit about complaining just perpetuates negativity down further. Bot hosters are hateful, so they make bots. People affected by bots get hateful, and some start to spread it around. That makes people outside TF2 feel disdain. It's an awful snowball of negativity and it won't end by continuing to express that hate.
There needs to be SOME way to direct that hate; that motivation against shitty awful individuals and a neglectful greedy company; into some kind of actual push for improvement. Even if it's just ideas or theoreticals, it does a lot more good than getting mad and using that anger to just make other people feel angry with you. It just makes EVERYONE feel hatred, instead of creating any kind of worthwhile change.
Again, salt and hatred to this situation isn't all bad. Complaining isn't, either. I complain a lot, too, because this shut suuucks. But, I'm just saying that that does nothing in the long-run, and if we want something to actually happen, we need to redirect those complaints into ideas for what we can do to actually do some shit, even if it takes years and luck. It's more worthwhile than just feeling bad, and crying over spilt milk.
@@moony_otter tl;dr valve is a small indie company, do not complain, please understand.
BotCHADS it feels good shutting down a stagnant game.
release your cope brother!
it has not been 7 years
its been at least 3-4 when tyler mcvicker accidently leaked the source code
Cat bots are from 2017.
also "accidentally"? Come on man.
Tyler did what......
game is dead LLLLLL CS2 KING 👍
no cobblestone
no train
no surf
no community severs
no csgo
@@GODber777 ask QueerTopia to host csgo servers i'm kinda desperate
>30 minutes of wordswordswords
gabagoolsisters lost
cant you just sell a trading card and buy a 3 cent skin and no longer be a f2p
What is a trading cars
@@DiffGameContent based
Well lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. While the restrictions on f2ps are draconian and retarded this is not a new thing. Remember the inventory restriction? You could(I say could but Its still in place) not have more than 50 items as F2P. The game has always been pay to play if you seriously want to play and not just dick around for an hour or two.
This isn't that much of a problem because everyone gets a free backpack expander during December, and most of them the stock weapons are either the best or one of the best weapons in their Respective slot.
I do think the default limit should be like 100 or 150
Yeah that's hardly comparable. Pain in the ass, but you can bypass it by just logging in on smissmas.