I know this is an older video, but just a note of thanks! Many times, now, your videos have given the information and confidence to successfully make my own bike repairs and save many dollars. Thank you!
Always a pleasure watching your videos Sir, you explain the process extremely well in all your maintenance videos and coming back to cycling after many years it's good to do your own maintenance as part of the cycling experience and doing it safely of course.....you are my go to guide when I need information with cycle maintenance....brilliant work...and I thank you for this.....you proved a great service and may it continue.
Hey RJ it would be amazing if you’d make a playlist with all of your videos covering this bike (or any vintage road bikes) all in one place! Thanks for the great content!!
@@RJTheBikeGuy Perhaps a playlist with only vintage bikes? NONETHELESS... thanks again for the great content! you got a new sub from me while i clean up my 70's steel-frame motobecane !!
I accidentally made my chain a little too short when I put a long cage derailleur on my bike the other day but I was able to add the links needed back again without a master link or anything. It's been holding up fine for the last couple hundred miles, been checking it regularly. It was not easy to to add the links back again, and it certainly does pay to measure twice and break it once.
great i have a torpado & the chain is sagging the same way i guess a new chain is in order it's the same chain since i had the bike i was 16. now 60 so i think it's had it's days but 1 thing is how did the chain get so loose i didn't ride the bike for a few decades what makes the chain sag like that .... before i finish just wanna say nice vid im a subscriber
Now I must check my new chain (could it be too long as a fresh new?), because I have the same issue on new bike setup: 11-46 cassette and 34-50 chainrings :) Yes, I know, strange setup :). Done the same with checking if I can remove one part of chain and it will be too straight in derailleur..
Hey, really love your videos and find them super useful! I have a similar issue, my chain is sagging when i am not pedalling, when pedalling it is totally fine. Its also friction shifting (Nishiki Arrow Speed 1984) and the chain is the right lenght. Do you think that a broken b screw could cause this effect and if so, is there anything i could do to fix it?
I had an issue with my gears slipping on putting a ten speed chain on a 9 speed cassette. Everyone said change cassette but it wasn't worn down. Eventually I used the chain length formula from park tools website and turned out my chain was too long even though I matched it up with existing 9 speed chain. . I took out one full link two rivits back and no more slipping.I think it was because I unscrewed the b screw all the way out and I think this took some tension off the chain.
The best way to check chain wear is by moving it left to right within its links. Not toward the front or back of the back, but left to right of the bike, not parallel. If it warps a lot, its worn out. A new chain has some movement, but is very shallow and not too curved warped to the sides. Of course this test must be done with a clean used chain.
That is a verry loose feel of a worn chain. New narrow chains are meant to have quite a bit of sideways flex for proper shifting. Only single speed chains and industrial chains have little to no sideways flex in them as they are never forced that way in use.chain wear must be done lengthwise as it "stretches" (pins get worn allowing for slack of the plates to rest at longer pitch.. the plates themselves rarely stretch)
Great video - Are all chains created equal? How do you spec a chain for your bike etc.? Were can i get chain break device? What is a master link and were to buy it? thank you
Chains vary in quality and price. You generally buy a chain based on the number of cogs on the freewheel/cassette (ie a 7 speed freewheel gets a chain made for 6/7/8 speeds). The master link I used came with this chain. A chain breaker can be bought at a bike shop or online, or anyplace that sells bike tools.
Hey RJ, i have a bit of a problem with my MTB. The chain is too loose for my riding, because I do a lot of jumps and bumps. Even on a quite small landing the chain bounces around and makes ugly noises and on bigger landings it sometimes even jumps a gear. I had it changed to a brand new one, and the rear sprockets also. Could the worn front sprocket be the case here for the chain being too loose? Really need to find a solution to this, it kind of limits my riding now...
I can't tell you if if the stuff is worn. You can try some different gearing combinations, that might help. You might be able to increase the tension on your rear derailleur cage. That might help too.
Okey, I'll have in mind. Another thing that came in my mind is could this occurance be normal? My bike has a 9 speed sprocket in the back and a 3 speed in the front. Maybe the wide gearing requires a longer chain and on certain ratios the chain becomes a bit loose, thus causing all the bad stuff.
i had that problem...i had to buy a cheap shimano rd took out it's p spring then transferred it to my old alivio m4000 rd...now it works fine problem is i busted the duct cover for the ring lock on the rearcage had to size a piece of rubber and insert it as a dust cover...hehehe! thanks rj for letting me save my alivio rd...hahaha!
Question first nice video i'm renewed to biking 20 yr break . chain question hardtail style bike 7 speed cassette when the bike rode on flat terrain no chain noise . yes when i hit gravel trail it seems just one trail my chain makes a sound like its wanting to come off when i just coast . as long as i peddle its fine no noise at all . chain is new just got the bike three weeks ago its a ribble bike i had to have it shipped across the pond . is pulling the bike wheel back a little a idea tad nervous at messing with anything considering the bike is not cheap . the bike runs fine i use it for just park and towpath trails at 50 i'm not going to be racing and jumping in the air i just wanted a quality bike and to be able to last a long time and ride it down trails .i've been riding about 5 months on another bike 1200 miles ribble is only 3 weeks ( maybe 300 miles ridden )new to me i ride every day weather is not a factor i ride
I've got a 72 Atala with a lot of original parts, is it better to upgrade things like the shifters, brakes and derailleurs or should I clean and keep the original parts?
i don't know what's with my bike because i have a new chain and checked all that you showed but still it jumps over the teeth on the gears when putting alot of pressure on the pedals
Hey RJ I was wondering if you could do a video on how to appropriately/best store a bike outside? I live in England so we experience a great deal of rain and cold weather (in the winter at least) and atm I'm leaving my bike chained up outside my house, exposed, most likely starting to rust. So a reply or even better a video would be greatly appreciated! Cheers!
those chain clippy things are a real pain, i prefer to put a piece of wire between them like you did first, then use the chain breaker to fasten them together, much easier, especially if your a novice
Hi my old road bike the chain is not shifting to gears when I change it the gear wire is really tight . I can not change gears because of this issue the gear stays in one slot the last one please help and advice me what I can do
Heyyy please mr RJ i need help my chain keep slipping of my hub even though i have a new hub and a new derraileur and a new kmc z8 chain for my hg31 mega range shimano hub please help mee
I lay chain flat and measure 20 links,should be 10".half inch too long- chain worn out.old chain with hairpin split link needs to have hairpin on inside and open end facing back.
hello , I just put new air in my tire and the pedals move fine and the back wheel moves fine but the front wheel won't move so I can't ride it how do I fix this ?
Hi RJ How abort the rear cocs, if the chain is that worn, the cassette would be just as worn and would potentially ruin the chain i no time? Br, Ole Schroder, Copenhagen, Denmark
+Trippin Josh As the chain wears, it it gets longer. It starts to rub at the edges of the teeth on the sprockets making the spaces between the teeth wider and more sloped. When a new chain is installed, it is more likely to skip, and also the abnormal spacing and shape of the teeth can cause the chain to wear faster.
RJ The Bike Guy wouldn’t you also have to replace the crank set because that will also ware out eventually just like the cassette. The chain is just replaced more often. Wouldn’t cogs in the derailleur also ware out
The chainrings wear out also, but not as fast as the chain. The derailleur cogs can wear out, but it takes long time. Replace your chain when the chain gauge shows wear, and your drivetrain will last longer. But feel free to replace your entire drivetrain every time the chain wears if you want, but it's going to be very expensive.
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Thx now I can tell my dad that I can help him with fixing stuff lol
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I know this is an older video, but just a note of thanks! Many times, now, your videos have given the information and confidence to successfully make my own bike repairs and save many dollars. Thank you!
here here!!!
I know thank him!
I like the process in which you went through to determine the right fix.Thanks for posting this instructional video.
Good video because it shows the right order of diagnostics and simple, no cost fixes before more complex, higher cost fixes.
Always a pleasure watching your videos Sir, you explain the process extremely well in all your maintenance videos and coming back to cycling after many years it's good to do your own maintenance as part of the cycling experience and doing it safely of course.....you are my go to guide when I need information with cycle maintenance....brilliant work...and I thank you for this.....you proved a great service and may it continue.
6:46 : Hearing the links snap together was quite satisfying.
Nicely done.
Merry Christmas!
Whao! ......knowledge is power.....fixing my son's bikes chain today is an added knowledge+ power.....#supermom#
Hello RJ very helpful video cant get enough of your stuff thanks a mill.
Very helpful. Thanks for the video!
Great awesome video. Impressive difference a new chain makes
Thanks for posting. Another good video.
All in all a really helpful and complete inspection of what could be causing the problem.
Nice work RJ
What a beautiful bicycle!
Totally what I was looking for. Thanks so much.
Very informative, thank you!
Beautiful bike RJ! Love the chrome details on the white frame.
You know, the best thing of learning is to say, “lets find out”, in stead of “this is the way” videos.
LOL “ YoU kNoW tHE bEST tHiNg Of LeARnInG iS tO SaY, “Lets find out”, In StEaD oF “this is the way” VidEos.....p.s “in stead” is spelt “instead”.
@@shannonrogers7233 How lonely and bored were you to make fun of a space in a word you still understand.
@@GunShocka fax
Thanks. I have a sagging chain and needed to watch this video.
Thanks, very useful for a beginner cyclist who is me and is not good with hands on work as well 😊🙏
Thank you brother
Thank you u were very helpful sir👍🏼
Thank you so much. Its very useful to know this knowledge cheers.
This solved my problem you are great
Thanks 👍🏾
Just sliding the tire back fixed the problem for me thanks bud!
Youre the best. Thank you.
Thanks 👍
Hey RJ it would be amazing if you’d make a playlist with all of your videos covering this bike (or any vintage road bikes) all in one place! Thanks for the great content!!
I work on so many bikes. I am not making play lists for every one. I may have only made 1 or 2 videos with this bike anyway.
@@RJTheBikeGuy Perhaps a playlist with only vintage bikes? NONETHELESS... thanks again for the great content! you got a new sub from me while i clean up my 70's steel-frame motobecane !!
Would have been interesting to see both chains next to each other and show the increase in length from stretch.
ill try this thanks
Nice video
I accidentally made my chain a little too short when I put a long cage derailleur on my bike the other day but I was able to add the links needed back again without a master link or anything. It's been holding up fine for the last couple hundred miles, been checking it regularly. It was not easy to to add the links back again, and it certainly does pay to measure twice and break it once.
Been there.
Good explanation video. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks so much sir thanku
great i have a torpado & the chain is sagging the same way i guess a new chain is in order it's the same chain since i had the bike i was 16. now 60 so i think it's had it's days but 1 thing is how did the chain get so loose i didn't ride the bike for a few decades what makes the chain sag like that .... before i finish just wanna say nice vid im a subscriber
Now I must check my new chain (could it be too long as a fresh new?), because I have the same issue on new bike setup: 11-46 cassette and 34-50 chainrings :) Yes, I know, strange setup :). Done the same with checking if I can remove one part of chain and it will be too straight in derailleur..
Hey, really love your videos and find them super useful! I have a similar issue, my chain is sagging when i am not pedalling, when pedalling it is totally fine. Its also friction shifting (Nishiki Arrow Speed 1984) and the chain is the right lenght. Do you think that a broken b screw could cause this effect and if so, is there anything i could do to fix it?
This has happened to my bike, have you fixed yours?
hey RJ, I think I noticed that one of the rear pulleys has a tooth missing. just check it before you call the bike completely finished
+88high Not seeing any broken teeth. They are dirty as heck. I just haven't gotten around to cleaning and lubing them yet.
I had an issue with my gears slipping on putting a ten speed chain on a 9 speed cassette. Everyone said change cassette but it wasn't worn down. Eventually I used the chain length formula from park tools website and turned out my chain was too long even though I matched it up with existing 9 speed chain. . I took out one full link two rivits back and no more slipping.I think it was because I unscrewed the b screw all the way out and I think this took some tension off the chain.
czcams.com/video/VzrpC7jrz8U/video.html
The best way to check chain wear is by moving it left to right within its links. Not toward the front or back of the back, but left to right of the bike, not parallel. If it warps a lot, its worn out. A new chain has some movement, but is very shallow and not too curved warped to the sides. Of course this test must be done with a clean used chain.
That is a verry loose feel of a worn chain. New narrow chains are meant to have quite a bit of sideways flex for proper shifting. Only single speed chains and industrial chains have little to no sideways flex in them as they are never forced that way in use.chain wear must be done lengthwise as it "stretches" (pins get worn allowing for slack of the plates to rest at longer pitch.. the plates themselves rarely stretch)
Great video - Are all chains created equal? How do you spec a chain for your bike etc.? Were can i get chain break device? What is a master link and were to buy it? thank you
Chains vary in quality and price. You generally buy a chain based on the number of cogs on the freewheel/cassette (ie a 7 speed freewheel gets a chain made for 6/7/8 speeds). The master link I used came with this chain. A chain breaker can be bought at a bike shop or online, or anyplace that sells bike tools.
Hey RJ, i have a bit of a problem with my MTB. The chain is too loose for my riding, because I do a lot of jumps and bumps. Even on a quite small landing the chain bounces around and makes ugly noises and on bigger landings it sometimes even jumps a gear. I had it changed to a brand new one, and the rear sprockets also. Could the worn front sprocket be the case here for the chain being too loose?
Really need to find a solution to this, it kind of limits my riding now...
I can't tell you if if the stuff is worn. You can try some different gearing combinations, that might help. You might be able to increase the tension on your rear derailleur cage. That might help too.
Okey, I'll have in mind. Another thing that came in my mind is could this occurance be normal? My bike has a 9 speed sprocket in the back and a 3 speed in the front. Maybe the wide gearing requires a longer chain and on certain ratios the chain becomes a bit loose, thus causing all the bad stuff.
i had that problem...i had to buy a cheap shimano rd took out it's p spring then transferred it to my old alivio m4000 rd...now it works fine problem is i busted the duct cover for the ring lock on the rearcage had to size a piece of rubber and insert it as a dust cover...hehehe! thanks rj for letting me save my alivio rd...hahaha!
Question first nice video i'm renewed to biking 20 yr break . chain question hardtail style bike 7 speed cassette when the bike rode on flat terrain no chain noise . yes when i hit gravel trail it seems just one trail my chain makes a sound like its wanting to come off when i just coast . as long as i peddle its fine no noise at all . chain is new just got the bike three weeks ago its a ribble bike i had to have it shipped across the pond . is pulling the bike wheel back a little a idea tad nervous at messing with anything considering the bike is not cheap . the bike runs fine i use it for just park and towpath trails at 50 i'm not going to be racing and jumping in the air i just wanted a quality bike and to be able to last a long time and ride it down trails .i've been riding about 5 months on another bike 1200 miles ribble is only 3 weeks ( maybe 300 miles ridden )new to me i ride every day weather is not a factor i ride
Hey RJ.....where do you buy your replacement parts for you restorations and repairs
www.rjthebikeguy.com/faq/
I used one of those snap links and when I went riding that snapped right off
I've got a 72 Atala with a lot of original parts, is it better to upgrade things like the shifters, brakes and derailleurs or should I clean and keep the original parts?
Your call.
Use your B-tension Screw that make the work shorter
i don't know what's with my bike because i have a new chain and checked all that you showed but still it jumps over the teeth on the gears when putting alot of pressure on the pedals
5:27 you popped off an extra link for the new chain.
Hi... I saw this tipe of derailleur which needs a extra part for mount... What can you say about this type which is ob your bike as well?
It is what it is. Not as good as an integrated hanger.
Hey RJ I was wondering if you could do a video on how to appropriately/best store a bike outside? I live in England so we experience a great deal of rain and cold weather (in the winter at least) and atm I'm leaving my bike chained up outside my house, exposed, most likely starting to rust. So a reply or even better a video would be greatly appreciated! Cheers!
+Albert5522 I don't store my bikes outside.
+RJ The Bike Guy don't have any knowledge on doing so?
+Albert5522 Yeah, don't do it.
+RJ The Bike Guy : Word from a wise man! Have a happy Christmas!
+Albert5522 keep it inside your house
watch out for heavily worn chainrings & cassette with the chain being 100% worn! :O
Where do you get your used bikes to restore/repair? Great video keep it up.
+Under the sun Thrift stores, ebay, craigslist, garage sales, etc. I bought this bike on craigslist and drove 100+ miles round trip to get it.
+RJ The Bike Guy Thank you awesome helpful videos.
Does the p tention spring cause slaging chain as well?
If the spring has slipped usually.
i have a brand new stainless steel chain and gears and im slipping gears if i press on the pedal too hard
thx for the info tho
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hii!!! i have a problem!!😇 when my shifter is on 2x8 the clicking noise soo loud😑😃
I like you RJ - Should this be called
'Replace a sagging bike chain'
Especially if there is no way to fix one?
those chain clippy things are a real pain, i prefer to put a piece of wire between them like you did first, then use the chain breaker to fasten them together, much easier, especially if your a novice
Not they aren't. DO NOT REUSE A PIN!
can you post a video on how to lengthen a chain? thanks
Buy a new chain.
yeah, save yourself some trouble and just buy a new chain
What if you dont have a derailleur? Do you have to just take out some chain links
Hi my old road bike the chain is not shifting to gears when I change it the gear wire is really tight . I can not change gears because of this issue the gear stays in one slot the last one please help and advice me what I can do
czcams.com/video/gwBQxhZhKnE/video.html
I replaced mine,but the new chain skips while I am riding my bike, what could be the problem pls?, I am new to this 🤓
i have a question when i ride my mountain bike it makes a real loud noise and sounds like it's going to break
Start hunting for the source. czcams.com/video/TuIPmqru_Rw/video.html
mine too
You just plane rock cannook
Heyyy please mr RJ i need help my chain keep slipping of my hub even though i have a new hub and a new derraileur and a new kmc z8 chain for my hg31 mega range shimano hub please help mee
czcams.com/video/VzrpC7jrz8U/video.html
czcams.com/video/OV1AVcdNjMM/video.html
I lay chain flat and measure 20 links,should be 10".half inch too long- chain worn out.old chain with hairpin split link needs to have hairpin on inside and open end facing back.
is it possible to change 6 speed geared bicycle to 12 speed
+Blaise Antao Sure.
hello , I just put new air in my tire and the pedals move fine and the back wheel moves fine but the front wheel won't move so I can't ride it how do I fix this ?
+Jessica Reese You need to isolate the problem. Are the brakes holding the wheel? If you remove the wheel is the hub frozen?
We realized that both of the brakes were up against the wheel , and we removed one of them so that the top wheel would move
So you probably need to adjust or fix the brakes.
this would never pop in my head
I don't see what was causing the loose chain. I thought the old one was more or less the same size as the new one.
Each connecting part of each link gets worn a little bit, and with all the links it adds or and the chain gets longer.
I think this is why I have a rattling noise on the small ring 🤔
Hi RJ
How abort the rear cocs, if the chain is that worn, the cassette would be just as worn and would potentially ruin the chain i no time?
Br, Ole Schroder, Copenhagen, Denmark
+Ole Schroder Yeah, the freewheel may be worn and I plan on checking that. But I wanted to focus on the chain in the video.
+RJ The Bike Guy 👍
how does a worn cassette affect the chain?can someone explain this to me?
+Trippin Josh As the chain wears, it it gets longer. It starts to rub at the edges of the teeth on the sprockets making the spaces between the teeth wider and more sloped. When a new chain is installed, it is more likely to skip, and also the abnormal spacing and shape of the teeth can cause the chain to wear faster.
+Trippin Josh It doesn't ... the chain is stretched , not 'worn' so much .. A strong rider will go thru chains ...
Lower gear on the pulley looks like it's broken
old comment but its just extremely dirty
If you replace the chain wouldn’t you also have to replace the cassette. Because a brand new chain might not be compatible with a worn out cassette
Only if the freewheel/cassette are worn out. Chains usually wear out faster than cassettes/freewheels.
RJ The Bike Guy wouldn’t you also have to replace the crank set because that will also ware out eventually just like the cassette. The chain is just replaced more often. Wouldn’t cogs in the derailleur also ware out
The chainrings wear out also, but not as fast as the chain. The derailleur cogs can wear out, but it takes long time. Replace your chain when the chain gauge shows wear, and your drivetrain will last longer. But feel free to replace your entire drivetrain every time the chain wears if you want, but it's going to be very expensive.
But my gear changer is on the bar
SHHT SHHT SHHT YAHH
I just got a new bike, the chain is already sagging, dont know why
If the bike is new, take it back to the shop.
Can you count how many times he said "AND"?
Lots.
You don't called that fix! You call it a replacement je je!😁
At first guess I thought the chain was too long but checking derailleur is good.
Was going uphill at like 15 MPH chain fell off and cracked my head open.
Ouch!
Anyone else fucking hate the messenger ad
Fucking hell I hate geared bikes
Haha
Help me out, guys. My bike loosens every day. Please give me an good answer to how to fix it :D
I consulted with an engineer. He says don't ride it.
The guy who was fixing the cycle sounds like Donald Trump
You diden't fix it you replaced it
REPLACEMENT is not a REPAIR.. Waste of time video
Not into vintage bikes.
mybluebelly okay? nobody cares
Especially me..
You talk too much instead of showing how to fix it....