*Take a look at the StartRC Stabiliser here: USA: **amzn.to/2KAB80N** / EU: **amzn.to/31kBDSn** or the Osmo Pocket here: **store.dji.com/product/osmo-pocket?from=dap_unique&pbc=FwBaHO2T&vid=48141*
This unit was really made for the older DJI OSMO mobile which is heavier and because of the extra weight the damping can be adjusted to level off and reduce the bounce. Also in your test, you did not tighten the damping so the spring was parallel to the handle. I added a really great cylinder shaped battery to the pocket, and that gave it the extra weight to allow a less active vertical movement. I know that adding all this stuff defeats the purpose of what is a great carry around device that happens to film in 4K and has more features than Carter has pills. I use this z axis device for filming scenes in short films where using all these accessories has a purpose.
So, there’s no adjustment for bounce damping? I have the ScottyMakesStuff 4th axis stabilizer, and you not only need to adjust for the parallelogram being horizontal, but also for the damping on vertical bounce. That would answer the folks saying the Osmo Pocket is “too light” for this stabilizer.
Thyago, it's VERY good. I have found myself using the ScottyMakesStuff 4th Axis Stabilizer a lot more frequently than I originally thought I would. I'll be posting a review of a chest mount for the Osmo Pocket tomorrow on my channel, and found that adding the SMS 4th Axis Stab made the footage look AMAZING.
Ken Heron. How can you state that he made a nice post, since yourself made such a positive post (2 mar 2019) about Scottimakesstuf's z-axis stabilizer. DroningOn should have pointed out what the (crab) StartRC stabilizer is missing (adequate damping), instead of dooming this kind of stabilizers more or less in general.
@@bertschoofs8494 how about learning some manners Mr Schoofs, respect the hard work put into creating such reviews and testing - otherwise you just come across as an ignorant and rude old man...
@@Droning-ON I subscribed your channel considerable time back and appreciate your good video's and realise the amount of work you put in it. However seeing this video I had difficulties with the content. With no single word you addres the role of damping in such a stabilizing mass-spring system. It does not come clear wether the StartRC-device includes some damping facility or not. That makes this video incomplete. Sorry, I didn't have the intention to behave rude. Keep on the good work!
It has no dampening feature, that is very clear during the unboxing, I also clearly show the setup according to the supplied instructions. I even mention that it is far too springy and uncontrolled because of it when running and walking.
Hello, the problem seems to be lack of mass at Pocket side, it is very light, and, maybe a strong spring. That is the same principle of the big Steadicam systems and should work.
I love the Z-axis stabilizer for the original Osmo, but the light weight of the Pocket may make this tech less useful. Maybe the Pocket will gain the electronic stabilization of the Action, and solve the problem internally.
I agree with you, it definitely doesn’t help. If there was some kind of motorized help, I could see it being a good piece to have, but not worth the money at this point. Thank you for the review.
Great review, saved me some money! I mount mine to a mini tripod and hold it 45deg adjusting the head as required, that helps to reduce any bounce and the ninja walk too!
The z Axis is a balancing act, the Osmo Pocket is very light compared to most cameras and phones. I am wondering if you add some weight and adjust to compensate will this help with the stabilisation?
Hi Ash. I bought this for my gopro, and it did improve the flow. Maybe the pocket is too light to get the best out of the z-axis - the weight of the gopro, plus gimble helps to balance the spring. Another tip is having the arms set to 5-10 degrees down. I know the instructions say level, but with a wee bit of research, they work a lot better setup this way.
Thumbs up ere' Ash, great to get an honest opinion on these new gadgets that are supposed to help but looking at the footage didn't really. I know with more testing and adjustments it may handle better but over the years I've tried a few and none really helped plus the biggest problem - it won't fit in my pocket!!! Many thanks for making this :)
By conception, this is just like a super basic car suspension and probably lacks the viscosity component a chock absorber also requires. Passive shock absorption is a matter of frequency and amplitude. A simple spring like this one, with no motor (as you suggest at the end) would probably do a nice job at absorbing higher frequency jitters, but the Osmo gimble already neutralizes them nicely. In the case of a lower frequency oscillation (such as z-axis when walking) the frequency is closer to the resonance of this unit (I.e the frequency at which it would oscillate freely back to its initial position, if you force it down with the osmo attached, and let it return to a static position). Depending on the pace of the walk I even see a risk of the unit entering in resonance and amplifying the walk’s z-axis effect (!) Ninja walker to ninja walker, many thanks for this review!!
Bought the Osmo Pocket because it fits in my "pocket" wherever I go. This mechanical extended robot arm doesn't fit in my pocket. If I wanted to bring a whole extra bag with stuff I would buy a 10.000,- camera.
The Scottymakesstuff one is adnustable and you have to tune it to the weight of the camera. He has a video showing how this is done....I had assumed this one would require the same? Thanks Laurie
You're the Man over and over again, Ash. I'm just about to get the StarRC z-Axis Dual Handle version for my OM2, do you happen to have any experience with that one?
I think its a waste of time, because we all got the pocket. For the reason when ya done you can put it in your pocket, by having the other gimbal. takes away the ease and idea of carrying a compact video camera. I'm with you, as I think the pocket does a great job on its own. Anyway bro keep the great vids up. ^5s
Thanks mate, I do in part agree but it being pocket sized doesn't mean that you're not allowed to use accessories if it makes usability better for you!
can you not adjust the level of the bounce. The original one on the market can adjust the levels until you get where you need it to be for your set up.
Great vedio ,but somehow I feel without stabilizer it's better ....with stabilizer it's loosing focus ...may be after few months we will have a more compact stabilizer ...
Hi Bought the Z-Axis stabilizer after seeing your review. Do you know also a software stabilizer that can help in addition to the z-axis hardware? Thanks a lot.
@@Droning-ON don't know that Photoshop as a Warp Stabilizer in it. At the moment I'm using FCPX because I can't get good result with the z-axis but I'm not satisfied.
Hi Ash. I'm waiting for mine ordered by someone makes stuff down in Oz. It should turn up next week after waiting 6 weeks for it. Kind of thinking I might have wasted my money after your review. Il let you know how well it is or isn't soon
Honestly, you provided a disservice and did not review the item fairly. The item does reduce bounce on the Z axis and very effective when running. You did not properly adjust for load or dampening. It is not perfect, but it is a good improvement for hard and sudden shifts in walking.
I don't think its worse having compared the two, but its not really much better. I tried to frame the shots as closely as I could together as I only have one Osmo Pocket and so had to repeat the shows with and without stabiliser, so any slight mismatch is unfortunate.
Like the up and down wobbling. You can mount the gimbal on a cykle, Rock Steady, I done that but the natural walking is lost that way. I have a Osmo Mobile 2, not Pocket, and if I want a steady film I use Hyperlaps. Bur here a upspeeded film from a bicycle: czcams.com/video/M5LemNI5meA/video.html
Thanks Joe, really depends on your use case, it might be worth weighting it with some additional weights, apparently the Pocket is too light for this to really be useful.
Most people rise/fall 3-4” when they walk, so the motion shown by this stabilizer isn’t out of the ordinary. When properly adjusted, a 4th axis stabilizer can make a noticeable improvement. Looks like yours isn’t quite dialed in.
You seem to be amused with the item, how do you expect people to listen to you when you are finding it so funny. Your channel is droning on. But you are now giving a review on Osmo accessories. You are clearly not focused at all. Go fly.
*Take a look at the StartRC Stabiliser here: USA: **amzn.to/2KAB80N** / EU: **amzn.to/31kBDSn** or the Osmo Pocket here: **store.dji.com/product/osmo-pocket?from=dap_unique&pbc=FwBaHO2T&vid=48141*
This unit was really made for the older DJI OSMO mobile which is heavier and because of the extra weight the damping can be adjusted to level off and reduce the bounce. Also in your test, you did not tighten the damping so the spring was parallel to the handle. I added a really great cylinder shaped battery to the pocket, and that gave it the extra weight to allow a less active vertical movement. I know that adding all this stuff defeats the purpose of what is a great carry around device that happens to film in 4K and has more features than Carter has pills. I use this z axis device for filming scenes in short films where using all these accessories has a purpose.
I have same one. I put some ballast on Osumo Pocket and replaced spring. Result is much better !
So, there’s no adjustment for bounce damping? I have the ScottyMakesStuff 4th axis stabilizer, and you not only need to adjust for the parallelogram being horizontal, but also for the damping on vertical bounce. That would answer the folks saying the Osmo Pocket is “too light” for this stabilizer.
Pics2Flicks Dennis how do you like it so far? Is it worthy?
Thyago, it's VERY good. I have found myself using the ScottyMakesStuff 4th Axis Stabilizer a lot more frequently than I originally thought I would. I'll be posting a review of a chest mount for the Osmo Pocket tomorrow on my channel, and found that adding the SMS 4th Axis Stab made the footage look AMAZING.
@@Pics2FlicksDennis thanks, i look forward it !
Thanks, you save my money. I planned to use it on bike, but the native stab - system of DJI seems better...
add a mini tripod for more weight adjust spring and you will see a big improvement
Very nice video sir.
Thanks Ken!
Ken Heron. How can you state that he made a nice post, since yourself made such a positive post (2 mar 2019) about Scottimakesstuf's z-axis stabilizer. DroningOn should have pointed out what the (crab) StartRC stabilizer is missing (adequate damping), instead of dooming this kind of stabilizers more or less in general.
@@bertschoofs8494 how about learning some manners Mr Schoofs, respect the hard work put into creating such reviews and testing - otherwise you just come across as an ignorant and rude old man...
@@Droning-ON I subscribed your channel considerable time back and appreciate your good video's and realise the amount of work you put in it. However seeing this video I had difficulties with the content. With no single word you addres the role of damping in such a stabilizing mass-spring system. It does not come clear wether the StartRC-device includes some damping facility or not. That makes this video incomplete.
Sorry, I didn't have the intention to behave rude. Keep on the good work!
It has no dampening feature, that is very clear during the unboxing, I also clearly show the setup according to the supplied instructions. I even mention that it is far too springy and uncontrolled because of it when running and walking.
Hello, the problem seems to be lack of mass at Pocket side, it is very light, and, maybe a strong spring.
That is the same principle of the big Steadicam systems and should work.
I love the Z-axis stabilizer for the original Osmo, but the light weight of the Pocket may make this tech less useful. Maybe the Pocket will gain the electronic stabilization of the Action, and solve the problem internally.
I agree with you, it definitely doesn’t help. If there was some kind of motorized help, I could see it being a good piece to have, but not worth the money at this point. Thank you for the review.
Great review, saved me some money! I mount mine to a mini tripod and hold it 45deg adjusting the head as required, that helps to reduce any bounce and the ninja walk too!
Hi, you mean 45 deg to the side or to the front?
I would have loved to have seen a ninja walk video shown alongside the others for comparison. Good review though.
The z Axis is a balancing act, the Osmo Pocket is very light compared to most cameras and phones. I am wondering if you add some weight and adjust to compensate will this help with the stabilisation?
Hi Ash.
I bought this for my gopro, and it did improve the flow. Maybe the pocket is too light to get the best out of the z-axis - the weight of the gopro, plus gimble helps to balance the spring.
Another tip is having the arms set to 5-10 degrees down. I know the instructions say level, but with a wee bit of research, they work a lot better setup this way.
Good man Ray, I'll give this a try!
Thumbs up ere' Ash, great to get an honest opinion on these new gadgets that are supposed to help but looking at the footage didn't really. I know with more testing and adjustments it may handle better but over the years I've tried a few and none really helped plus the biggest problem - it won't fit in my pocket!!! Many thanks for making this :)
Is there ni dampening control on this model? Seems like you had zero dampening on the spring hence the results which were disappointing
By conception, this is just like a super basic car suspension and probably lacks the viscosity component a chock absorber also requires.
Passive shock absorption is a matter of frequency and amplitude. A simple spring like this one, with no motor (as you suggest at the end) would probably do a nice job at absorbing higher frequency jitters, but the Osmo gimble already neutralizes them nicely.
In the case of a lower frequency oscillation (such as z-axis when walking) the frequency is closer to the resonance of this unit (I.e the frequency at which it would oscillate freely back to its initial position, if you force it down with the osmo attached, and let it return to a static position).
Depending on the pace of the walk I even see a risk of the unit entering in resonance and amplifying the walk’s z-axis effect (!)
Ninja walker to ninja walker, many thanks for this review!!
Precisely, well put!
You need big pocket for this one. I'm happy with the OP on its ovn and put into lock in the menu, its grate :)
I almost buy it. Thanks
Go for it! Thanks for the comment!
Bought the Osmo Pocket because it fits in my "pocket" wherever I go.
This mechanical extended robot arm doesn't fit in my pocket.
If I wanted to bring a whole extra bag with stuff I would buy a 10.000,- camera.
Rocky Overes haha that was my feeling. If you take this , might as well take a dslr and matching large gimbal
What about mounted on a motorcycle? I would really like to see that.
Why footage without stabilizer has more zoom?
The Scottymakesstuff one is adnustable and you have to tune it to the weight of the camera. He has a video showing how this is done....I had assumed this one would require the same? Thanks Laurie
Ash maybe try adjusting it a little tighter on the spring give it less bounce. 😁
thanks for posting this. you helped me saving Money, haha. no other technical way to compensate that z-axis Problem?
Pretty impressive!
You're the Man over and over again, Ash. I'm just about to get the StarRC z-Axis Dual Handle version for my OM2, do you happen to have any experience with that one?
Thanks for the comment, not yet but I'll see if I can get one sent to me!
@@Droning-ON many thanks for giving it a try. ;)
Both this and the ninja walk look pretty silly, but the ninja walk doesn't take up space in your bag, and it's probably more effective.
I think its a waste of time, because we all got the pocket. For the reason when ya done you can put it in your pocket, by having the other gimbal. takes away the ease and idea of carrying a compact video camera. I'm with you, as I think the pocket does a great job on its own. Anyway bro keep the great vids up. ^5s
Thanks mate, I do in part agree but it being pocket sized doesn't mean that you're not allowed to use accessories if it makes usability better for you!
Good job Ash! No... not now -> back to the drawing board.
good for all
its not designed for osmo, its designed for more heavy stuff like smartphone gimbal
Fair enough, how’s your ninja run, jump and skip?
Being perfected, slowly but surely :) Thanks for the comment!
can you not adjust the level of the bounce. The original one on the market can adjust the levels until you get where you need it to be for your set up.
Great vedio ,but somehow I feel without stabilizer it's better ....with stabilizer it's loosing focus ...may be after few months we will have a more compact stabilizer ...
it is a bad design. the vertical distance between the bolts in the back is greater than between those in the front. this thing is a joke.
Totally agree it needs a damper of some to be of any interest
Or.. czcams.com/video/fCCdcvnfDlM/video.html ;)
Hi Bought the Z-Axis stabilizer after seeing your review. Do you know also a software stabilizer that can help in addition to the z-axis hardware? Thanks a lot.
You could use the Adobe Photoshop "Warp Stabiliser" feature?
@@Droning-ON don't know that Photoshop as a Warp Stabilizer in it. At the moment I'm using FCPX because I can't get good result with the z-axis but I'm not satisfied.
I think there is a better engineered version of this stabilizer form ScottyMakesStuff the results were way better than the one you are reviewing :)
Thanks for the comment, yes we've heard this and hope to review it one day! Ping him and ask him to send us one!
Hi Ash. I'm waiting for mine ordered by someone makes stuff down in Oz. It should turn up next week after waiting 6 weeks for it. Kind of thinking I might have wasted my money after your review. Il let you know how well it is or isn't soon
You will be happy with that little one from scottymakesstuff.
@@clackersclarke4450 I hope so. Seems like an age since I ordered it. Just been told it could be stuck in UK customs for another 6 weeks!!
Thank you for the review, I have a video project on a boat, do you think this peace would help me?
Possibly, it really depends on what you're filming!
Honestly, you provided a disservice and did not review the item fairly. The item does reduce bounce on the Z axis and very effective when running. You did not properly adjust for load or dampening. It is not perfect, but it is a good improvement for hard and sudden shifts in walking.
Thanks for your comment, we have to disagree entirely but appreciate your opinion.
Very good Ash. I'll practice my Ninja walk. :) Jim
Oh, I have seen one of those before =)
I think it is even worse with stabilizer...
And the footage with stabilizer is a bit zoomed in, why?
I don't think its worse having compared the two, but its not really much better. I tried to frame the shots as closely as I could together as I only have one Osmo Pocket and so had to repeat the shows with and without stabiliser, so any slight mismatch is unfortunate.
Not worth the money. It needs some kind of dampening along with the spring.
I think the 4th z axis is a good idea but this is gigantic.
Seemed alittle worse with the attached if anything!
The product needs work. Thanks for the video!
Do you think its worth it
WAtch the review :)
Without a damper, this is just a bouncy spring....skip this and get a better product.
Like the up and down wobbling. You can mount the gimbal on a cykle, Rock Steady, I done that but the natural walking is lost that way. I have a Osmo Mobile 2, not Pocket, and if I want a steady film I use Hyperlaps. Bur here a upspeeded film from a bicycle: czcams.com/video/M5LemNI5meA/video.html
That is also silly to use the stabilizer in public lol
It is a good idea but I think your right. I don’t think it’s worth buying.
Thanks Joe, really depends on your use case, it might be worth weighting it with some additional weights, apparently the Pocket is too light for this to really be useful.
Most people rise/fall 3-4” when they walk, so the motion shown by this stabilizer isn’t out of the ordinary. When properly adjusted, a 4th axis stabilizer can make a noticeable improvement. Looks like yours isn’t quite dialed in.
Trouble is once you add something like that you end up with an osmo mobile lol
Not quite, the Osmo Mobile doesn't cater for the Z-Axis either, so this is still one step better.
I know but there becomes a point where size is self defeating surely
Save 30£
It just doesn’t work. 👎🏼
Pass. Mega pass
You seem to be amused with the item, how do you expect people to listen to you when you are finding it so funny. Your channel is droning on. But you are now giving a review on Osmo accessories. You are clearly not focused at all. Go fly.
I use a GoPro Hero7 Black with hyper smooth turned on whilst attached to a Feiyu Tech G6 gimbal, this comb is that smooth the footage looks fake.