How an Indian Hunter Pilot (Possibly) Fought Four Pakistani Sabres (1965, Eastern Front)
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In the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War, most aerial operations were conducted in the West. But the Eastern Front saw some amazing airstrikes and dogfights too. This video is covering that story, including what Indian sources call 'The greatest aerial battle of all Indo-Pakistani Wars'.
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- One Vs Four : The complete story of Alfred Cooke’s epic air combat.
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- John Fricker - Battle for Pakistan: The air war of 1965
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- Sajad S. Haider - Flight of the Falcon: Demolishing Myths of Indo Pak Wars 1965-1971
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What is interesting to note is in the early Indo Pak wars both on the ground and in the air it was mostly British machines vs American. Compared to a lot of stories in other wars US or Western aircraft vs Soviet, Russian aircraft.
@@tasman006 Yes, there were very few Soviet aircraft involved in this war. By 1971, the situation changed very much.
what about MM Alam shot down 7 indian jets in 1 minute
@@Enigma528pk I believe most people think it was five
@@showtime112 WHATSOEVER WOULD YOU MAKE VID ON IT?
"Despite losing all five wars, some Pakistanis still hold the belief that they are superior." 😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly 😂
Mr. Alone Mask
Five Wars Between India & Pakistan 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😕😕😕😕😕😕
My Mother's Eldest Brother
As a Royal Indian Air Force Officer Participated In The
First Indo - Pak War In 1947.
He As A Pilot Officer Flying ( N ) Navigator Along With Wing Commander Baba Mehar Singh Landed the very First RIAF ( Royal Indian Air Force ) Transport Plane carrying Indian Troops on October 27, 1947 At Srinagar Air Field and there after flew Many Missions Till The End Of This War
My Mother's Second Eldest Brother As A Indian Air Force Officer Flying ( P ) Fighter Pilot Participated In
The Second & Third Indo - Pak War Of 1965 & 1971
My Father As A Indian Air Force Officer Flying ( P ) Fighter Pilot Participated In The
Second & Third Indo - Pak War Of 1965 & 1971
Fourth War : 1999 Kargil Indo - Pak War
So Can You Say in Which Year Did This 5th Indo - Pak War Took Place.
I know you are Right.
I Also Know the Year Because My father Participated In It Indirectly,
As By Then ( That Year ) He Was a Very Senior Indian Air Force Officer
@@bittoochatterjee2661 bro elone musk from temu 💀
Debatable. I lived through it. On the ground and in the air, India with all its initial advantages (size, manpower, resources, the element of surprise, etc.) did not perform well. There were some successes and failures on both sides. Both claimed massive victories at the end.
Only ones who think they won all five wars are Indians. In reality, India won 1 war and the rest were stalemates at best.
Some students from nearby IIT Kharagpur witnessed Cooke shooting down Khan and sped on bicycles to the area where his plane crashed. They found the burnt out Sabre and some distance away, a flying helmet with Khan's head still in it.
Yes. I don't know about the head in the helmet bit, but I have met a couple of IIT students and professors who were eyewitnesses to this epic air battle. FYI, I was not even a year old when this took place.😂
Yes that's true, I read that narrative of an IIT student of that era in Quora, too.
Thanks for your input.
There is a very short video publicly available
@@r0N1n_SD - Link please 🙏🏼
These more obscure air combats not well known in the west are always interesting. Thanks
I agree, thank you for commenting!
They are obscure because Western media thinks that only Western stories are worth telling and that Israeli pilots are the Gods of flight. More low level air combat and dogfights took place during the 1965 and 1971 conflicts between India and Pakistan than anywhere else as these were extremely short (weeks long) conflicts. Yet, an unusually large number of combatants were killed on both sides on the ground in these wars. As the U.S. military attaché to Pakistan during the 1971 war, Chuck Yeager attests to this fact in his book. The Israelis were quite surprised when they faced Pakistani pilots. They were used to shooting down inexperienced and poorly trained Arab pilots.
These fights and dogfights are unknown for me but this vidéo is very interesting to understand how Pak and indians pilots fight each other with différents planes and différents tactics and skills.
Yes, these British vs American airplane duels are especially interesting. Thanks for watching this video as well!
@@showtime112 thèse duels will go on liké skirmishes at same périod in middle east.
But French vs russian planes
Thanks for featuring Alfred Cooke's heroic fight👍
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Indian army is smart and they have good tactics. ❤❤
I knew very little about these conflicts, thank you for presenting them!
Thank you for watching!
I wish Warthunder would add the Gnat in the game!
I can't agree more!
Make a video on 8-Pass Charlie. He was a B-57 pilot. Indian Airforce gave him the title of "8-pass Charlie" because he used to make eight passes, one for each bomb, on selected targets with improving efficiency instead of safely dropping all of his bomb load and exiting.
This topic is on my 'to do' list but the exact date is yet uncertain. Thank you for suggesting it-
Brilliant recantation, us usual. A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity of speaking with someone who was in touch with Alfred Cooke and was documenting his exploits.
This depiction nails it!
Thank you very much for providing this feedback!
The Pakistan and Indian air combat is interesting to watch, the Pakistan fighter pilots was sort of in the Middle East conflict In Jordan and Iraqi air force.
huh?
@@guaporeturns9472 the Pakistan pilots served in Six Day War 1967 and 1973s war against Israel.
@@bjornsmith9431 Oh I see what you’re saying
@@bjornsmith9431 flying with mig21 of différent versions
@@dominiqueroudier9401 yes.
Another great episode. I really like the Hunter, well and the Saber too. I'm a little surprised that a Saber (or any plane really) could absorb hits from those 4, 30MM cannon and still fly.
Both are are very interesting early jets. Apparently, they were quite sturdy as they could absorb fire. In Korea, Sabres would sometimes take hits from MiG-15's cannons too and return to base.
Exactly, no PAF plane was hit in that mission except F/O Afzal. The other planes being hit and went towards the border, and Haleem ejecting is nothing but wishful thinking to get the medals and claims. Pilots at that level should keep to the facts and they are professional soldiers and not Bollywood film writers
@@AsifKhan-zx1uy not everything has to cater to chest beating over-excited Paki teenagers, discussions outside your country don't have to align with the continuous decades old ISI/ISPR psyops operation for domestic consumption. The written off Sabre due to 'surely believable' lack of parts was the second jet. And maybe, advise the same to Mr Alam as well, who made 5 jets out of the wreck of 2, so embarrassing that his colleague had to expose him out of courtesy later.
There's a reason India doesn't have anything like ISPR, this is where the incentive for PAF or other branches comes from. The need to provide a perpetual mass mental psychosis of 'Indian threat', and the need to feed the people the sense of military superiority over India, at any cost, and so we see many of their stories or rather 'wishful thinking' even putting Bollywood to shame.
And that's why the joke runs around the world, that other countries have armies, but in Pakistan army has a country. And so they do anything to maintain that control. They will make you believe someday that we fought and defeated aliens, we can't show you because everything decided to hop over to Indian side, but we wiped the floor with them, we are 'professional'.
@@AsifKhan-zx1uy Huh. I don't see you saying the same about that professional liar, MM Alam.
@AT-bo6ww ,is he a lair, I don't know, just stated facts about this mission that I know. Thanks for admitting that your side kept lying for 59 years re Kalaikunda
EXCELLENT . Your videos enrich the Aviation History and pay tribute to the ones who participated, regardless of their nationality. Thanks. By the way, there is no simulator than can give you the pleassure of flying as the real aircraft.
Thanks for being around! And I'm sure you're right about the simulation part :)
Awesome documentary 😊
Thank you so much 😀
Thanks! Cool video as usual!
Thank you for another contribution!
Uauhhhhhh!!!! Excelente trabajo una vez más.
Muchas gracias por este apasionante video. Enhorabuena de nuevo!
Thank you very much for watching!
Another amazing video, full of history and drama. Looking forward to the next episode.
Thank you, I am happy to hear you enjoy the content!
That fact you got contacted by the brother, amazing 0o0
Relatives sometimes contact me after a video is released. In this case, it was just when I began working on it.
@@showtime112 he read your mind . . ❤
hey @showtime112 Flt Lt Alfred Cooke is still around..It will be amazing if you can interview him on the Air Battle.....
Hello and thank you for the suggestion. I'm afraid I have no experience with interviews and I'm not sure how it would look. But maybe someone like Mike Young from Aircrew Interview might do a good job.
Well done, its shocking how an airforce can take on another one 2 times its size but still have success, as always well done!
Thank you for the feedback!
Since Pakistani Sabres were technically way superior!! Than the Indians !! Well now it’s a different story 😂
@@somnathchakrabarti1870IAF was using Hawker Hunter a very capable aircraft but PAF was better in technique and training. IAF mig 21 were brought in fight but failed. It is all indian propaganda that Pakistan had better equipments to hide their failure.
@@somnathchakrabarti1870 The PAF is still superior in quality and skill, as confirmed by Abhinandan.
It's the other way around IAF WAS 3 TIMES GREATER THAN THE PAF IN 1965 AND 1971. Actually PAF came stronger even though IAF had faster and modern aircraft such as Hunter,Mystere, SU7,Gnat and so on. Sabrejet was built in 1947 and was used in Korean War. But I'll say Pakistani pilots were way better and still are than Indian pilot. If you look back in the recent past on Abhinadn incident you will know.
You always make very interesting videos about unknown battles of little known wars (for most of Western people). British aircraft Vs American Aircraft ^^
Thank you !
Those topics tend to attract many views. I suppose the interest exists but few people covered them properly.
Another great history class. Thanks a lot
Thank you for appreciating it!
Brilliant visual narration of history . . Thumbs up . . 👍👍👍
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
Great presentation. Thank you
I'm glad you appreciate it, thank you very much!
Really great episode. For it is a less-known war, known rather as Wikipedia fact ,so thank you very much
Thank you for appreciating it!
It's like one of those Indian call centres serving a UK business: _Hello, my name is Jane Smith ..._ In a thick Indian accent. Eyebrows raised.
😆😆😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😆😆😆😆😂😂😂
He was an anglo-Indian
back then (1963 - 1976) the Indian Air Force operated no less than 218 Hawker Hunter F.6B multi role air superiority fighter . . . out of which 53 were upgraded to Hawker Hunter FGA.9 multi role ground attack fighter standards . . . India's mistake was choosing not to align with U.S. & NATO after India gained total independence from England in 1947 . . .
Thank you for the info!
India not playing bloc politics was the best decision that Neheru Govt. took
You need to understand how uk captured India to understand why India never aligned with west .
Love your videos. They're my favorite source for unbiased Indo-Pak clashes. I would really appreciate if you do one on Pathankot strike, and perhaps the attack on Sargodha airbase too?
Thank you very much! Your suggestions will probably be covered someday but I can't tell you exactly when. It depends on my current inspiration.
I really enjoy these videos on the Indo-Pakistan wars.
I'm glad to hear it, thank you!
Thanks for the video 😊
Thank you for watching!
awesome video! thanks
Thank you very much!
Kick ass!! New Showtime 112 !!!
Wooooooow.
Thank you for another enthusiastic comment!
Hahahaha you mean to North Korea's rule in India, hojaiga chinta mat koro ,24 ka election ke bad, tumhara biswas goru se, very good, we want our country should be strong like 😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂
Excellent video as always. Due to the extreme range, Sabres were carrying 4 fuel tanks and F/O Khan's Sabre can be seen with one hung-up tank (@15:00) yet he kept on fighting.
Thank you very much! WT unfortunately doesn't support fuel tanks for Sabre so I was deliberately not mentioning that.
F/O Afzal was shot down at the start of the engagement, it was Ft. Lt Tariq who chosee to fight two hunters with a hung drop tank, he chòse to continue the dog fight with the two hunters till the 2 hunters retreated,
Thanks!
Thank you for another contribution!
I had requested 1 year back, glad you made it :)
Good topics eventually get covered 😁
@@showtime112 The incident happened in the vicinity where my father spent his childhood, he saw this live in action
Is this platform for the video DCS or Warthunder? Great video again as usual.
Thank you very much. This is done in War Thunder.
Looks like quite a few Indian pilots still had a lot of English blood in them, Cooke, Wilson.
Oh yeah, when you read about operations of these wars, British names just keep popping up. Sometimes, you can find them on the Pakistani side but much more rarely.
India has quite a significant Christian/Parsi population who make up a portion of the armed forces.
Add keelor brothers as well. They performed excellently in both 65 and 71 wars
Anglo-Indians, born of mixed parentage.
@@ravi9450 Trevor Keelor and Denzil Keelor.
There is also bombing happened on the railways station of gurdaspur town in Indian side and these dog fights also happened abouve the skies of gurdaspur.
Next one should be "Battle of Boyra"
That would be a great topic. Sadly, there were many Gnats involved and we don't yet have that airplane in any simulation.
Wonderful show
Thank you for the feedback!
Show time. Please make a video on how sassaon iaf Canberra was near to put his name in history when find radar gaps he was on mianwali about to eliminate all 24 mirages parked deep inside PAF base main wali when radar did not detect him a ground observer airman of PAF observe iaf Canberra shouted at wireless enemy bomber 7 miles from PAF base and flt lt Ata on ORP airborne and shoot down Indian Canberra before he could have decimate 24 mirages ,all crew of 3 was killed.
I will probably cover some of the Indian Canberra missions in the future. Not yet sure when exactly.
My Grandfather is a retd Sgt and he worked at Dum Dum...still doing good in his 80s and speak native level Bengali (Not our mother tongue)
Great video 👍
Thanks Chups!
There were also many anglo Pakistani pilots in PAF Peter Christy,Willam Harny,Eric Gordon hall(who transformed PAF C130 into a bomber with 45 bombs each of 500 pounds these sorties put fear in the heart of Indian army)Cecil Chaudhry to,Mervyn middlecoat,Bin Latif and many more Pakistan and PAF will never forget the sacrifices of it's anglo Pakistani sons of PAF,minutes before iaf lost about 7 Canberra on ground in second attack Afzal was lost his life by anglo Indian australian.just to cover negligence of iaf air defence such stories helps to divert the humiliation iaf suffered by 4 time smaller PAF .for 12 PAF sabres iaf gathered 120 aircrafts,v have no problem with such stuff even we add that this anglo Saxon fought whole PAF PROBABLY.if not possibly.❤️🇵🇰
propaganda is pak calling card and the humiliation that pak suffered is jarring and then to have gall to one up against india,who have always smashed pak is truly pathetic.
William Harney was a Placidian who was in the PAF. I still remember him as if it were yesterday. Eric Gordon Hall became Air Vice-Marshal in the PAF.
@@khalidnaseem1846 right Sir.
There were a huge amount of Anglo-Indian pilots in the IAF in those days.
True, battle reports are full of them. When I was first reading about these wars, I thought they were mercenaries. But looking at their photos, the truth is immediately obvious.
@@showtime112 read about the exploits of Trevor Keelor in the 1965 Indo-Pak war, do a video on that. Around 30% of the IAF pilots during that time were Anglo -Indians.
@@showtime112, IAF never had the policy of employing mercenaries. All the 3 wings of Indian Armed Forces never employed mercenaries.
In fact, it is Pakistani Armed Forces concept. Despite that Pakistani Armed Forces never succeeded in any of the battles they have fought.
@@garrison9078 did the Pakistani employee mercenary pilots?
@@mentalretard2359 none, even those aircraft provided by allied nations eg Jordan and Libya during or after the 1971 war were flown by own pilots
Nice presentation. One thing I noticed that the helmet of the Saber pilot has a USAF emblem on the white helmet. Job well done Showtime 112! Thanks for all you do! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🌸🌼🏵️🏵️💮🏴☠️🏹
Thank you for being there constantly! As for the helmet, Pakistanis spent all of their budget on Sabres and there was no money left for personalized helmets so they had to get used American ones 😁
@@showtime112😂😂😂
@@showtime112thanks, can you do more insult as well?
Because after that its my turn
@@abdulbasitnwz3519 Dude, that was a joke. No sense of humor, huh? 😁
@@showtime112 I am available for the joke. You can laugh at me and make my fun but jokes on country, religion, culture and traditions are not tolerable
U kokpitu F-86 ima retrovizor, i vidi se kaciga pilota. I na njoj nešto poput krila kakva sam vidio na kacigama pilota USAF-a. Možda griješim
Pakistanci nisu u budžetu imali više novaca za nove kacige pa su morali koristiti rabljene 😁😁 Šala, ne znam kako točno da izmjenim kacigu pilota a retrovizor je baš nezgodno postavljen na Sabreu.
@@showtime112 to ti je tako kad te maketar vjerno prati, vidi svaki detalj.
Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks for nice video
Thank you for the positive feedback!
Proud of our defence forces 👏. Jai Hind ❤
The second raid may not have been a resounding success, but that first raid definitely stung the Indians very much. When luck meets daring and opportunity.
Pakistan lost the War.
Operations of the No. 14 squadron the "tail choppers" during the 1971 conflict should be a good topic for a future video.
I agree. Thank you for the feedback!
I want to visit Dumb-dumb air field.
The name is quite strange, I agree 😁 But the place is also famous for that bullet type which was first produced there.
Dumdum was/is an old established arsenal town from early British Indian Army,and it was a source of the much touted dumdum bullet, as 112 states.
dum dum airfield is now an international airport check google
I literally live 4 Kms away from Dum Dum International Airport
Except Afzal Khan (Shot Down) And ATM Aziz (Disorientation Accident) No Other Sabres Were Lost Neither Did Baseer(Not Bashir) Or Haleem Get Hit As For Tariq Habibs Sabre It Was Repaired After The War And Saw Service For Many Years
The same very aircraft is still on display in Toba Tek Singh
Yes right, it happens when you enemy wins the propaganda war.
@@abdulbasitnwz3519how many wars did Pakistan win?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@alone_maskNone 😂😂.
DCS in general makes a more quality experience in my opinion
Sure, if you are looking for a real sim experience, there's no comparison. But DCS requires at least a decent PC, a HOTAS and a head tracker to be enjoyed properly. Plus, even an old high-fidelity module will set you back 25 bucks when on sale. That is outside of the budget for a lot of people. Not to mention that learning the proper starting procedures and such is not for everyone. That's where WT jumps in.
Hey showtime 112 could you cover khemer rouge air force battle aganist vietnam
Hello! I'm not sure to what extent aviation was used. I might do some research and see.
What's the better jet hunter or sabre
Hunter was more modern jet than the Sabre so hunter wins there. Just don't forget that good aerial tactics and pilot skill can close that gap.
@ThePilot4ever thanks for the info I find it interesting that India used British fighters hunter and British bombers. Pakistan used US aircraft. I wondered which was the best . Like you said experience and training has a big bearing on it
@@robertwilkinson2232 Both side used Canberra as the bomber aircraft.
Sabre had a pretty good turn rate, better than the Hunter. On the other hand, Hunter had a better thrust to weight ratio and better firepower.
@@JitendraKumar-tt3htPakistanis used US made Canberras known as B57s . . .
Ur vedios r incredible show me more pls🙏
Thank you for your feedback! Feel free to watch older videos if you missed them, there's plenty :)
@Showtime112 would love to see video from 7th September 1965, over Sargodha air field by number 11 squadron PAF, which is claimed to be ace in a day.
It will probably be covered someday. Hard to say when exactly as I don't have a specific schedule.
This conflict never happened. If it was for real IAF would've had the gun camera footage from the hunter.
I will have to make a disclaimer before each video that deals with Indo-Pakistani wars. 'There's no prize given for the stupidest comment, no need for you to try so hard' 🤣🤣🤣 IAF does have gun camera footage, in fact some of the still are shown in this video. And Pakistani side clearly confirms that Afzal Khan was shot down by Indian Hunters. So yes, it did happen.
Only gun camera iaf ever showed repeatedly is Sarfraz ahmed rafiqui sabre being shot over and over again in the movies by the hunter that's. Rest is all talk except some of paf reportedly announced that the aircrafts that paf lost were mostly by the ground fire because iaf pilot were efficient enough and were poorly trained to take down paf fighters. Even though IAF had very advance planes than paf in both wars.
@@ImranKhan-pb4orbecause of all this nonsense
Pakistan lost East Pakistan and Bangladesh was born in 1971 and 93,000 Pakistanis surrendered...........
Pakistan underestimated India
@@showtime112 Let’s have a nominations list at the end of indo pak videos for the comments😂. And the snail got to you Showtime 🐌
Pak war loss never happened. Pakistan won it in La La Land!
Minutes before PAF destroyed 8 Canberra on runway
A number of them were destroyed, that's true.
Only in Pakistans wet dreams
I have personally witnessed a portion of the war. 3 Sabre Jets came to bomb Panagarh Air Base of India. Probably failed to deliver. While they were flying back Indian Gnats chased . Because of higher speed Sabre Jets were unharmed. But chased away to East Pakistan. I was at Burdwan, 40 km East of Panagarh and 200 km West of the boarder from erstwhile East Pakistan. All the planes flew along the River Damodar.
On December 16 1971, the chief of Pakistani forces, General AA Khan Niazi, along with 93,000 troops, surrendered unconditionally before the Indian military, the world's largest surrender in terms of the number of personnel since World War II
i really love these videos, but the terrain of south bengal is completely flat !!!( i am from this region )
That's true. The problem with these reenactments is that I have to rely on existing maps within the simulations I use. Bengal, or most of the sub-continent are sadly not there so I have to approximate with something else (in this case, the area around Hong Kong). I could have chosen a flat terrain but then the terrain colors and vegetation would have been completely wrong.
i dont have access to the latest flight sims, but do enjoy older games like Strike fighters 2 which has a very good modding community, i have used the indo pak mod terrain. it is very basic and only covers punjab and southern kashmir .
Thanks for the obscure history! Lets hope you don't make one about a nuke war there, lol.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Regarding the nukes, I hope nobody is that stupid.
What are your fears in Making Video about mm alam who downed 5 IAF jets in less than a minute
It takes a big effort to research something like that to be absolutely sure you know what you are talking about.
Stop bluffing
@@krishnendusarkar98 Tum indian hameesha mar kha kar kehtey ho stop bluffing. like abhenandan shot f-16, hahha
@@aashkaar725I think your army was surrendered in front of indian army and we indian broke your country still you people and government talking about Abhinandan. He shutdown your advance aircraft F 16 with 1960 technology. Your country have not food no money. You all are begging in front of Saudi, IMF and Chinese. MM alam did not downed any aircraft. Only your government making propaganda so that some pakistani feel some proud
@@aashkaar725maar kaun khaya woh 1965,1971,kargil aur Siachen me dikh gya😂😂😂
those Pakistani pilots were very daring facing much bigger enemy exciting to see how the air war was played out on eastern side having said that Indian pilots should also be praised in this particular battle
Yes, I believe that there was some great flying done by both sides in this case.
Yes, Ft. Lt took active part in the battle, his wingman stayed away from action as he was afraid as quoted by Cooke
Pakistani Pilot MM Alam shot down 5 Indian Hawker hunter jets in less than one minute during 1971 war.
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Thank you very much for the comment!
Its still not confirmed nor there is any proof
What's not confirmed?
It's recorded.
Damage done was too much to iaf as they still not recovered from that shock almost after 6 decades lost 30 percent of their total active fleet
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Yeah and still pakistan manged to surrender with 93000 soldiers🤡
6 decades seriously.... We don't even use these jets any more... And about the lost we recovered it within 3 years...😂😂😂😂
@@AmitDas-lb8ef 3 years seriously 😂 then why iaf still struggling to become major air power in region every one knows the answer but no one accepts it was the time when all major airforces were growing after ww2 exactly the time when India fought 2 wars with its western neighbor 🥲 beside Indian claimed victories their airforce badly beaten by the enemy since then till today iaf struggling for fulfillment of its required numbers and tech and legacy continues....
And surrender 0f 93000 men with their pants down in front of great Indian army
considering your channel is growing quite a bit, i think you should apply for a war thunder content creator decal lol
I'll ask them :)
The Hunter was good. Our pilots respected it. The Sabre was a sturdy, nimble fighter, one of the best of its time. However--excited young men returning from a sortie making big claims in times of war, this one needs a few pinches of salt
Make video on PVC Nirmalgit Singh Sekhon
"Ten Camberras destroy"......wild exageration, the 12.70 was not so powerful, in Korea was not rare for a MiG-15 survive 20 hits....The indian number sound real!!!
If only India had Better leaders and better airceaft and weapons, 1965 wouldn't have been such a costly victory
There was neither any victory for India except one or two battle of that war Pakistan had upper hand in the South at end of the war
India had better equipments it is just a propaganda to hide their failure.
@zerogravity4749 oh please not this mumbo jumbo again. Its well established that parks failed in all objectives, gained nothing, started the war and failed its primary objectives. So yes india did had upper hand. Otherwise the pork objectives would be successful.
You can read enough material is available online. But the problem is lack of electricity in pakistan. How can you access a system.
This is so totally giving yarnhub material!
I've been doing historical reenactments for about as long as they did. Only learned of their existence about a year later.
Meow
M M Alam within 1 minute shot 5 fighter aircraft IAF 1965
WHERE IS MM ALAM.STORY ,ADD MM ALAM STORY AS WELL
Who bombed the Governor House in Dhaka if the IAF didn't conduct any offensive stories post the attack at Kalaikunda?
That fools thinks indian entire eastern command is based at 1 airbase 😂
This is the 1965 war where the Indian Air Force chickened out after the Pakistanis destroyed so many Indian Canberras at kalaikunda as narrated by showtime112
If u have any morality let compare first,12 sabre facing120 iaf .a country 5 time smaller then India that too politically destabilized and 1000 km across the enemy.we Pakistani always thanking you when Indian and pakistani cricket teams played each other at Dhaka stadium all Bangladeshi crowd cheers for Pakistan .taste bitter ??? Bangladeshis are aware of history when their fair demand of separate Muslim province and whole Indian other then Muslims opposed it and how Bangladeshi achieve them whole independent conuntry refuse 60 years back a province??? ❤️🇵🇰❤️🇧🇩❤️☪️
That was a different war. 1971.
Do a video on MM ALAM.. 1V5
Fake
@@darkassassin4166 lol.. Go cry with ur 4 subscribers
I'll probably cover that topic someday but I still don't feel ready.
@@danyahsan3958 ah yes i should cry with my 4 subscribers because its my country which lost every war it fought and its my country that is goign to turn into a dystopian civil breakdown. Anyway you have like 100 subrscribers you don't even get paid lol,
@@showtime112 don't blame you, not enough proof for it anyway
The Pakistan Air Force generally has performed better then the Indian air force. Indians will get upset by this comment but I will ask my Indian friends to just read Ravi Rikhye and listen to Pravin Sawhney who will back my view. These are well renowned Indian defence analysts.
Again you, India performed better than Pakistan everywhere, Naval, Army and airforce. Stop spreading misinformation.
Defo better than IAF.History proves it
The aggressor will always have higher hand ! The defensive side will always have more losses initially . That what Pakistanis are famous for hit and RUN hence Pakistanis scores are higher in some cases but Indians have always given back a suitable counter.
@@rawdyrider lol, history proves pakistan lost Sabres to inferior gnats, shows indian pilots are better trained. India dominated pakistan every war, air land and sea
Yeah Pakistani Airforce is better than anyone else in the world. Even better than USA and China. Pakistan is surely the current superpower in the world. Everyone fears mighty Pakistani military, who has not lost a single war or the battle ever.
All humbug.....as usual
What! Eastern command out of action ,, 😂😂😂😂, aww , so ridiculous , the final result tells everything.
If anything is ridiculous, it's the idea that the final outcome is always equal to the outcome of each individual battles. So, Germans lost WW2, it must mean that they lost every single battle and that their pilots never destroyed a single Allied aircraft, right? Makes sense to you?
Lol.
Is it just me or does india thrash pakistan in every war? is it just maybe the view point im looking from?
This war wasn't so decisive and both sides achieved some success on the tactical level.
@@showtime112 Well, I was reading about it, i can't lie the indians did push all the way to the capital city of pakistan, Lahore. I see what you mean on the lower tactical level but on the greater overall I see that india inflicted greater casualties and took less.
Firstly the capital of Pakistan was Islamabad not Lahore and secondly the Indian attack on Lahore was destroyed on the ground by Pakistani sire force at the Wagah border!
Only an Indian recon unit made it to the outskirts of Lahore but they ran back like cowards when they heard that the main Indian army force had been destroyed at Wagah border.
@@MahmudGhaznawi-iy3yu Yes, Islamabad is the capital of Pakistan, forgive me for that error. However,
Your second point is factually incorrect, indian troops made it all the way to Lahore. In fact a whole XI Corps of the indian army made it. Please stop lying I am capable of my research. The entire Indian XI corps made it to Lahore and was raining Arty fire down .en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_war_of_1965#Aftermath
@@darkassassin4166you are wrong . . Indian Army was stopped 10 km short of Lahore near BRB defensive canal . . Their maximum penetration was upto the village of Dograi . . Not a single company or battalion was able to enter Lahore, what to say about capturing it . .
A Pakistani pilot shot down 5 Indian warplanes in one minute with the help of his f_86 aircraft in the war of 1965. His name was MM Alam.
And you guys believe that?? Its classified as a claim by the West and was done to boost Pakistani propaganda and morale
It's a war time propaganda, ACM kaisar Tufail in his book (Great Air Battles of PAF) has stated that MM Alam destroyed only 3 fighters and damaged another 2 over a span of several minutes.
Yeah yeah, and I'm a war hero with 23 medals, veteran from the Battle of Happy Valley in 1760
Lol 😂😂😂
@@Alpha-uo2rneven with 3 destroyed Indian hunters and 2 damaged it was still a great kill ratio by the Pakistani pilot.
Too late to promote IAF pilot.
Total BS, it was the other way round, A pakistani bengali pilot became an ace,
Dude, there's no prize for the dumbest comment 🤣🤣🤣
What happened on 27th Feb 2019 the latest dogfight :D indians
Founded your Dusra banda yet? 😂😂😂
Mostly ur content is biosed as u mostly post stories of IAF success, whereas PAF has a very impressive record against IAF. Even number losses of IAF in terms aircraft losses is more than double of PAF. Operations of PAF at halwara and pathankot airbases broke the back bone of IAF. U never speak about it.
lol what are you talking about? have you even seen his videos?
no its not its just because IAF beat the PAF it seems like that
i have seen many of showtime112 videos he is not trying to take any side just narrating the story based on actual facts you cannot deny that indians pilots were also in the ring to fight
You have a very strange definition of 'never'.
Its because those stories are true!!
LMAO!!
I take objection to your usr of word possibly
Typical of west to take india in poor lighy
Typical of people from both countries to feel that any objective perspective is in fact subjective to the other side.
It’s all false cause indians were never capable of facing pakistani pilots in this ratio only pakistani pilots were too much brave and skilled
That is a very objective and professional point of view 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Except that every serious Paksitani source confirms that Afzal Khan was shot down here.
😂😂😂 nice joke
Do you know or hav you read History, पाकिस्तान lost all Wars against India, and tht too after inciting and initiating, said Wars, just because they operated American aircraft, i guess its difficult for people like You to really admit and realize tht they Lost....inspite of whatever Bullshit tht You show!!!
Ladies and gentleman, we have our leader. The most idiotic comment by far at this point 😁😁😁
@@showtime112 got your attention, didn't I, tht is what matters, whatever type of comment, it's always easier to incite and provoke, tht is what You Europeans hav done throughout History, or is tht too difficult for You to stomach!!!😉😛😁
@@showtime112🤣🤣🤣
IAF practically wiped out the entire Pakistani airforce from the subcontinent in the 1971, make a video on that too!!
Was Habib an ex barber ? I used a barber called Habib .
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MM Alam k 5 indian jets ko destroy krny ko counter krny k.lya terrorist state na Bollywood sy story likhwa li...😂😂😂 MM Alam k karnamy ki video evidence bhi ha, jo un k F-86 k.cameras na record ki thi... 😂😂😂😂😂