Best car ever made? Mercedes Benz 600 Limo Restoration (Part 2) | Classic Obsession | Episode 17
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2022
- Gary visits David Atkinson to discuss the ups and downs of ownership and maintenance of this fabulous super car.
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Another fantastic video on the beautifal Mercedes, David sure owns a beauty of a car , so so quiet on the move and at idle.
What a stunner! When I see this car all I can think of is the Baddie driving around in the James Bond movie.
Cars of this era were truly luxurious. The quality of the materials and the design were what it was all about. Now it seems to be the number of toys or how much bling you can throw at a car. Great to see this amazing car in such detail. Thanks Gary and David.
The leather, materials, paints, and finishes are no longer available. The smell, textures, thickness, and depth of color have been replaced with "less", "much less", and "just acceptible".
Hi Chris here from Hampshire coast. I have really enjoyed your brilliant vids over the Christmas period. Its a great escape from the party time. I started rebuilding motorbikes 8 years ago and now after 3/4 years have rescued cheap cars. Now I am rescuing a 1954 Standard 8. Hoping to enter local show this year. Your vids give me inspiration to keep at it ( I am nearly 76).
Thank you keep up the style of your shows. Happy New Year to you and your family.
Happy new year!
Do you realise I actually have cylinder liners for a standard Vanguard from the 50's? I'm also from South Hampshire.
Morning Gary I recently purchased a Silver Shadow Grille and mascot for my man cave office, on hunch ....I asked for the aluminium chassis plaque from the donor car, to look at the cars history, amazingly the car was used for the Oasis stunt in a swimming pool, quite an interesting bit of history. I dismantled the grille to refurbish, if you haven't dismantled the grille and mascot... it's an amazing over engineered piece of work, the plinth the mascot is mounted on is machined to have a slight tilt and only fits one way on the top, run your finger around the groove on the underside of the mount you'll feel it's wider on one side, .....on the underside it's attache to a machined block of brass with a honed bore to accept the stem and spring mechanism for the mascot, it's a proper machine fit...the steel frame soldered to the stainless still section was rusty so I've carefully cleaned the surface and painted over with silver hammerite, leave exposed all the soldered joints it's amazing to see how they constructed these, sorry if I've bored you ....the quality of the construction is quite amazing, I have a feeling all the new stuff is probably pressed out like saucepans! I would love to see your your Corniche one day, as I own a 1973 fixed head two door saloon, perhaps you'll be going to the RREC international rally near Stamford in June 2023 ...Happy New Year ...All the best John Brown
Lovely car. Looks like over-engineered within an inch of it's life.......hydraulic seals........built for dictators, rock stars, mega rich......I can but dream!
This is a SUPERB channel sir. Hats off to your dedication to keep these running.
Thanks Gary, really enjoyed this one. Great to see the effort and commitment that goes into keeping these cars on the road.
great show sir Gary Mavers,.👈 👺👀👀👍
Very nice turnout, particularly the engine bay! Lots of work to do all that. Greats from a UK LHD 500E driver
Fantastic Gary, can’t wait to see what you have planned for 2023, have a good one 🍻
Gentlemen thank you both for bringing us this video. LOVELY.
Thanks Gary, this is magic! 🙏🏽🌹
Thank you Gary, pleasure to watch, wish I had your patience. Look forward to your next video. Well done you.
I really enjoy your channel. It is interesting, you learn stuff, and it's calm. Thank you!
Thanks for Another quality video on a quality automobile
Looking forward to 2023
All the best to yourself and the family in 2023
Brilliant content focusing on the really interesting facts around classics. All the best for the new year.
Thank you so very much, the video quality is amazing! What a beautiful car I had a 1969 gas powered MB four door, I wish I can remember the model, but it was just beautiful inside it brought back a lot of memories
God bless you Margaret.
Hey Gary Lad ! Happy new Year to you ! I loved this episode and listening to David and yourself having a chin wag - lovely to watch and listen to. I cant believe how quietly the car ticked over when you started it - I had to listen hard for a second time as it didn't sound like it had started first time off the key :-) These are such wonderful cars and have learned a lot about them from your last few episodes - they are remarkable. Looking forward to the next episode - keep up the great work ! Cheers Stew
Just a quick note from the previous post the Reg number was then 11 LTV as stated in the video by the current owner,
Craig
Adsoultley brill , love your vids.😊
Varta make Bosch car batteries these days. They both have large battery ranges but they are identical under the stickers. Buy whichever happens to be cheaper on the day!
Gary Mavers, very nice video! Thanks for sharing.
Great channel Gary
Happy new year to you and family
A stunning example of a stunning car.
Back in the 70s my neighbor, a doctor had a "big" Mercedes. It was unusual at the time when the M-B 280 sel was the largest and was becoming popular with Americans. The car was not a limo but a smaller 600. I've not seen another one that small since. Where I live in Portland, there is an independent M-B shop that restores them. There's always something to gawk at when picking up my C-class.
Love the interior of this one. I really love the big mercedes cloth interiors, they make them feel more cozy over the leather I think. Happy new year to you and your family Gary and thank you for producing such interesting videos, I am looking forward to more in 2023, Perhaps a nice W126 to restore?
Years ago, they used to say the mark of a very good , well designed car, is that a big car feels like a smaller one to drive, and vice versa a small car feels like a bigger one to drive. Happy new year to you and all your viewers
I;ve always loved these.
Great video Gary really interesting
Equisite!
The Green fluid you speak of I've an old Audi Cabriolet it Uses Central Hydraulic Fluid aka Dragons Blood due to its strange green colour ! Another great Video Gary look forward to the Next episode 👏 👍
While riding in it, the car sounds like the Titanic!
Quite eerie!😬
Fabulous !
The sight of one should make any Iranian quake.
Brilliant brilliant Gary. I was holding on to every word you both said about the 600 . To me the finest car ever made. Dispute its floors. Have riden in a w126 560 sel. Wondering how better ther 600 is or not. An experience I've always cherished and bought Mercedes Benz consecutively over the decades. About to buy my long awaited S class after many E Cls Ml ect .
Happy new year
Mr David Atkinson, take part in the passing of a loved one
Nice history lesson
That was really great I think you need to own that car and put your magic touch on it
You nailed it again Gary. Please do a comparison with the Rolls of the era.
Great cars 😊
happy new yr gary hope to see the rolls more this yr i love it great 600 sir
All the best to you and thank you for your support. Regards.
is a pleasure sir
Pik Botha who owned your car was for years and years one of the most powerful men in the apartheid regime [ though I think he backed the reforms of de clerk ] , he was foreign minister under a few different presidents , also your corniche has one of the most beautiful dashboards ever with its jewell like warning lights like emeralds and rubies !
This year Models from 1970-1980...Have, increased $10,000 Per year!
John Lennon had one .I love the Mercedes W123 diesels .
Estate
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The increase of wants in Collection in Japan, Palm islands Dubai,a Sumatra, U.S California
Rest in peace Margaret 💔
For some strange reason I prefer the long wheelbase 600 Pullman , the shape seems more balanced .
Hi Colin. I agree but the SWB is definitely the more practical, about town option!! Regards.
Wasn't the lwb called the Grosser pulman ?
To describe the 600 or the 600 Pullman 6-door as “more practical” . . . - well, at least you said “more”! 😂😂
Easier to park. Just 😊. I think the LWB was meant to pull up & stop, rather than ‘park’ in the conventional sense of to-ing & fro-ing into a slot between white lines 😏
RR...Models Shadow 1 & 2....Wraith 2.....Big increase in Investments.
Wafting to the extreme with a super long wheelbase to prevent front to rear interaction on bumps..
Love how Gary said to himself about the teeth chattering, took yer man a minute to cop on, love the Scousers.
Sorry that old boys wife missed have passed on…..
Incomparable. And likely to remain so. Today’s aesthetics are vulgar and crass by comparison. Thank you so much for your videos. Wonderful that owners who truly appreciate their car’s share their enthusiasm and love for these iconic vehicles. 👍🏻🏴
Here is a video proclaiming all of the owners of these 600's. czcams.com/video/qhmKbI8E2wA/video.html
Sure enough, PW Botha(the 6th President of South Africa) is listed as one of the original owners. It's time stamp in the video is 15:01. Wow that is amazing! I can't believe you sold that car Gary!!!
Abergele a couple of miles from me. Llansannan to TH
Great video but the noise cancellation on your sound settings prevents us from hearing the engine sounds. 😞
Hi John. These engines are super quiet. It’s a 600!! Regards.
Mao Tse Tung owned 26 600s. I really must get out more.
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The 600 is a technical tour de force. Extremely well made and it needed to be because the complexity of this car from the hydraulics to the injected engine and electronic transmission are extraordinary. But the best no. I actually preferred the 300 SeL 6.3. Which was much faster. I have owned 3 of these cars. My last a RHD 1972 had all the fancy interior the later 6.3 engine and transmission. But make no mistake. Parts for these cars are stratospheric and much is no longer readily available. Eg head gaskets etc.
But to say best is too much of a generalisation IMO because cars are used for vastly different puposes and the criteria of quality is so subjective. Hispano Suiza Packard all produced superb vehicles. As has Ferrari Aston Martin and Toyota!
Today one of my key criteria is can I fix it. And here the 600 and the 6.3 score very poorly and there are a good many orphans around the world where owners have given up. The complex bespoke parts have become a nightmare.
Superb but...
and to think Mao had 22 of these!
'It's very good suspension........' just as the car sounds like there was a loose lathe flying around in the boot.
Gary: lovely vid, but is it possible that the steering wheel at your Rolls isn´t straight when the car goes straight?:) How can a perfectionist like you, live with that:)
Best Regards from the Country that made the MB600
Tobias
Hi Tobias. yes, you're correct. The tracking is spot on and it would just be a 15 minute job to remove and reposition but i'm doing a total rebuild of the steering joints in an upcoming episode later this month and will address it then. kind regards.
Didn't mercedes have prisoners from concentration camps working in their factories during WW2, just before liberation they got rid of them.
@@stringer-ik1pc I don’t know: That was 78 years ago.Btw: Where did all the Indians go? What about the Japanese US-Citizen in your concentration camps during WW2? What do we two people have to do with it?
The SWB seems to be a better car, a driver's car. Also the SWB buyers seem a better group, Udo Jurgens rather than Tito.
Pik Botha may have had great taste in cars but he was instrumental in keeping aparteid going for many, many years. Towards the end of the 80's, the National Party knew that their days were numbered and in order to alleviate a cival war, started their step down from power.
I have no doubt in my mind had Nelson Mandela had died whilst incarcerated, there would have been bloodshed.
Nelson also had great taste in cars though I doubt he would have turned it down. He was given a lovely W126 500SE soon after his release from prison.
Thanks Spencer. I thought it extremely controversial for a NP party member to come out with such a speech but maybe he saw it was an inevitability that Mandela would be released and was preparing his own future to continue under his govern. I was more interested in cars having interesting stories surrounding them as well as also marking significant points in history. Rated as the best car in the world at the time, members of the Elite and dictators alike all wanted one so these fantastic cars (for good or for bad) were always in the thick of it. Kind regards.
You know you’re a comparative spring chicken when someone with a driving license compares something to the size of a sixpence and you’re none the wiser.
Did the Beatles group own one of these?
George Harrison, Ringo Starr and John Lennon all owned 600’s…
you were better off with cloth, leather seats made you suffer with sweating?
The other option was a kind of soft, velvet, Velore..
Sorry, but you are still too severe closing those doors; this should be done more gently.
The doorlocks are very sensitive and it does not take all that much to damage the hydraulics.
The locks are a nightmare to repair and the hydraulic piece is no longer available as a sparel part, only the whole lock.
The cost of a new lock will make your eyes water.
I have seen these modified with a spring after the hydraulic part had sprung to leak, but it's nowhere near as neat as the original action.
I owned one of these cars, restored it and drove it in Targa Tasmania ('93).
It performed really well and completed the 2000 kilometers without a scratch.
A temporary Ferrari could not catch it.
The fact that the door locks are so easily damaged is a design fault. People don’t read a manual before travelling in them. For a supposedly beautifully engineered car this was under-tested and a massive flaw. That’s why by 1965-66 the soft closing door mechanism was ditched and quickly changed to a more conventional catch.
@@classic.obsession My Grosser was from 1970 and had the hydraulic doorlocks.
They all worked well, but the drivers side had developed a very slow leak
@@classic.obsessionThe 600 was a little like
"Service Before Use " 🤔
I think that it was mainly designed as a chauffeur driven car.
The Hydraulic Windows can be lethal and the automatic Parking Brake Release when engaging gear also is not such a good idea.
I was surprised to discover that there were no protection (crash)bars inside the doors
It was great fun to drive really fast on windy Tasmanian roads and from time to time l would engage the Bilstein sport mode feature, but only for a little while to avoid overheating the large shock absorbers.
The car would handle like a huge GoKart.
A very comfortable way to do a Tarmac Rally and the public loved it.
The car was sold (in the late nineties) to a man in Perth, Western Australia and his mechanic told me last week that the car will be for sale.
It was the best motorcar in 1964. Mercedes-Benz lost money on each car.
Better know your hydraulics. Unreliable.
@@carlosoruna7174 not necessarily unreliable but maintenance intensive and better be by the right person with competence, dedication and experience. Over the decades I owned one SWB 600 and three 300SEL 6.3
I wish that today's S-Class cars came close to those classics in quality, craftsmanship and luxury.
It always was a bespoke car everything was hydraulic windows seat sunroof boot lid doors don’t know why you sold your one rather have that than a roller I think
They are terrible leak every where and the electrics are terrible
The older model Rolls_Royce and Bentley vehicles were very well built and reliable. When the company started putting in more and more telectrics, the problems began. As for your leaking comment. These cars are purchased by mostly poor people, who do not maintain them,let alone regularly service them!. There is no such thing as a cheap Rolls_Royce or Bentley car.They are expensive to use and own,if you want them to last !.........
@@alancrisp1582 I’ve worked on the piles they leak everywhere and Rot everywhere and the electrics are crap like on a jaguars
@@alancrisp1582 and if I remember rightly the bloody silver shadow has Ford cortina brake calipers on it even if theirs 2 of em on each side on the front and the brake pumps leak all the time that work off the cam if I remember rightly cork gaskets everywhere
@@martinjackson565 yes Martin,I am not disagreeing with your point that they leck, when they get older. And adding salt to U.k roads in winter doesn't help matters much, with rust issues. I own several of these old-school modern classics .And they cost me a lot of money 💵 every year, to try and keep running on the road. But when everything is storted out. They are still beautiful vehicles to drive around in,especially long trips!. Thanks for your feedback......
@@alancrisp1582 they are under powered and drive like a boat with their 6.75 litres engine and the 6.3 the cloud with drum brakes is a joke brakes start working when the wheels turn about half a turn nearly stuck one through someone’s porch absolute crap
Best luxury car ever built makes a rolls Royce look crap they’ve only just started on self closing boot lids that had it in the 60s
🤫Bite your tongue 😝!. So I guess you would be pleased to know that two ✌ German companies, now own Rolls_Royce and Bentley respectively?..........
Only if you're called 'Martin'. I'm sure neither cars would have graced the drive of your council house, mart. 😃😃😃😃😃
Thanks for your email David, if i could get your address somehow , i could sort some photos out and send them, they would be hard copies, also i can put a note in with all the info i can remember, tried to respond earlier but it was returned, You Tube probably do not like us to contact each other,
Regards Craig
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