The 800x is by far the most interesting thing to arrive in that world for some time, surprisingly the cost is the same as the Kove 450 rally - weird. Oh and the Chinese say KOVE - AY, but as we know and because we are English, we just say KOVE 🙂
Nice shoutout to the Janus Gryffin. I myself have a 250 version and let me tell you all, it was so much fun taking it trough some mid to serious off roading. The 250 from my understanding was not developed to take it real off-roading and it did amazing. I know God helped me trough it a lot and also I will atest to how light the 250 is. In KG i think it is about 120ish or a little more. To me that was perfect for everything i wanted it or needed it to do.
Question is where are they saving the weight? Look at the honda crf 300l people snapping the footpegs out the frames from small drops. Frames made of cheese
I'll never understand why so many go so excited about the off-road loop at the festival when we have so many amazing trails that are actually really amazing and challenging and offer a proper adventure. But I guess it's aimed at the majority of adv bike owners that rarely ever hit the proper trails we are so lucky to have in England and Wales
The Kove is 185kg is the wet weight, tried one today and very impressed, leaned it over a long way and it feels very light, quality looks very good. The importer in in Oxford.
Tip for anyone who wants to see the bike used in the thumbnail, it's at the end of the video (standard thing to try get you to watch as much as possible). Great podcast and content nevertheless, love watching!
Important for the decision between the T7 & Africa Twin is tubeless tires and cruise control (deal breakers for me if not on a dirt bike). Kove -dealerships, parts, longevity, warranty, reliability, all these need to be answered. Don't even use Kove in the same sentence as Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki or Yamaha.
You have a much better choice than the Janus in the UK with CCM. Janus has an early 20th century retro style which looks interesting but the performance is limited because of that.
Thought there'd be more mud. My first rain coat I bought was when I was in England. It was a sunny summer - mostly. The mud ruts looked good, but dried ruts filled with dust would be good too.
Change header and exhaust on the Tenere and its not far off weight of the kove. Only benefit with cove is saving money on the purchase price. I would be worried its all down hill after that. Give it 5 years and if the bikes and company have proved them self I would buy one.
6:30. You asked your guest why he preferred the Africa Twin and he spent a full minute talking about plastic rattling somewhere on a motorcycle that was never actually identified. Talk about a cryptic and confusing answer. So the Tenere rattles too much and feels nasty? Haha. Okay I'll keep listening to see if he can be a bit more specific. 😮
Another great episode guys, what do you think about MotoGP bikes not being present at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed, i think is missed opportunity for promotion of motorcycle racing? Imagine today riders on old 2 stroke GP bikes ❤❤❤❤. Keep up with great work😊
Ειναι μια μηχανη παντος εδαφους με συμβηβασμους το δοκημασα σε ολα τα τερεν απο την εμπειρια μου θα πω οτι ειναι φταγμενο να ειναι πολλη καλο στο στροφιλικη πολλη καλοστημενο για τα λεφτα του και ειναι καλο κ στην πολη στο χωμα σε ανωμαλα τερεν . Το kove 800x pro δεν εχει ανταγωνηστη εως κ της 13000ευρω με 9000 δεν εχει ανταγωνησμο . Αν κρατηση κ δεν σπασει το μοτερ κ το δικτιο ανταλακτικων υποστηρηχθει επαρκως τοτε θα ταξιδεψει παντου σε ολοι την γη . Θεμα αξιοπιστίας δεν εχουμε εικονα χερετησμους απο ελλαδα
I don't like the look of the BMW K1600, looks very generic. Then I don't like bikes where you can't see the motor or feel it shake, and I only have V twins. I have heard that the charge too much for services.
Based on a review from Chinese Motocycle influencer. This 185kg of Kove 800X is wet weight, fully fuelled up. In comparasion, the old KTM 790 ADV R weights 210kg in wet ( czcams.com/video/SUSxwHJrtjw/video.html )
i’m very wary about these Chinese bikes ..they are deliberately spamming the markets with these cheap bikes , deliberately undercutting other manufacturers with the sole intent in my paranoia to basically put the others out of business . then when they have no competitors then you will see what the true prices .
Americans are doing the same, everyone is doing the same. It's a valid business tactic. The questions is what we as consumers can do to make the most of it!
I wonder what Harley Davidson is trying to do? What is their scam? They charge so much that nobody can actually even sit on them at the dealer. Not many people can afford a $27,000 motorcycle.
So the Chinese companies are actually trying to build a properly priced product and they are charging a fair price instead of trying to scam people. Just like your cell phone. Patriot Mobile charges half as much for service but uses the exact same cell towers as Verizon and AT&T. Motorcycles have been historically over priced compared to cars. Because they contain only a fraction of components, and metal. Assembling a motorcycle on an assembly line requires a few bolts, it should only cost a fraction of a new car. The Chinese products will simply drive down prices and create a pricing war which is going to create a new Golden Age of motorcycling, like the late 1960's with the CB750 and the Hemi muscle cars with forged cranks and solid high nickel engine blocks for cheap.
The 800x is by far the most interesting thing to arrive in that world for some time, surprisingly the cost is the same as the Kove 450 rally - weird. Oh and the Chinese say KOVE - AY, but as we know and because we are English, we just say KOVE 🙂
Nice shoutout to the Janus Gryffin. I myself have a 250 version and let me tell you all, it was so much fun taking it trough some mid to serious off roading. The 250 from my understanding was not developed to take it real off-roading and it did amazing. I know God helped me trough it a lot and also I will atest to how light the 250 is. In KG i think it is about 120ish or a little more. To me that was perfect for everything i wanted it or needed it to do.
If that KOVE 800X comes in at the proclaimed weight then it’s going to shake the adv market for sure 🍻
Question is where are they saving the weight? Look at the honda crf 300l people snapping the footpegs out the frames from small drops. Frames made of cheese
I'll never understand why so many go so excited about the off-road loop at the festival when we have so many amazing trails that are actually really amazing and challenging and offer a proper adventure. But I guess it's aimed at the majority of adv bike owners that rarely ever hit the proper trails we are so lucky to have in England and Wales
Great vid, the 800X has a wet weight of 185 KG with a gallon of fuel. With a full tank, it weighs 191.5 KG
The Kove is 185kg is the wet weight, tried one today and very impressed, leaned it over a long way and it feels very light, quality looks very good. The importer in in Oxford.
Tip for anyone who wants to see the bike used in the thumbnail, it's at the end of the video (standard thing to try get you to watch as much as possible). Great podcast and content nevertheless, love watching!
Important for the decision between the T7 & Africa Twin is tubeless tires and cruise control (deal breakers for me if not on a dirt bike). Kove -dealerships, parts, longevity, warranty, reliability, all these need to be answered. Don't even use Kove in the same sentence as Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki or Yamaha.
PLEASE get some bathroom scales and capture your first bike 'weigh in' on video 🙂| Thanks for the interesting content.
You have a much better choice than the Janus in the UK with CCM. Janus has an early 20th century retro style which looks interesting but the performance is limited because of that.
Thought there'd be more mud. My first rain coat I bought was when I was in England. It was a sunny summer - mostly. The mud ruts looked good, but dried ruts filled with dust would be good too.
Change header and exhaust on the Tenere and its not far off weight of the kove. Only benefit with cove is saving money on the purchase price. I would be worried its all down hill after that. Give it 5 years and if the bikes and company have proved them self I would buy one.
Janus is 99% handmade & custom, unique by theft from everywhere, gorgeous, light weight, low powered & $20k with a waiting list....
As opposed to many, am I right to think when ABR participants say “off road” they mean more than off tarmac?
Kove 👍
What not a mention of Quadrophenia. Which has to be the best biking film of all time. AND it has a great sound track too
6:30. You asked your guest why he preferred the Africa Twin and he spent a full minute talking about plastic rattling somewhere on a motorcycle that was never actually identified.
Talk about a cryptic and confusing answer. So the Tenere rattles too much and feels nasty? Haha.
Okay I'll keep listening to see if he can be a bit more specific. 😮
Rode it all the way there and home and I didn’t die ….. much
21/18 not 17 and 800x pro suspension is 48mm !
That was me falling off the Grom
Harley davidson and the marlboro man and stone cold for biker movies.
The numbers are wrong
It's 191,5kg full of fluids and 83hp on the wheel
Another great episode guys, what do you think about MotoGP bikes not being present at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed, i think is missed opportunity for promotion of motorcycle racing? Imagine today riders on old 2 stroke GP bikes ❤❤❤❤.
Keep up with great work😊
kove800x:
191kg wet weight guys
Ειναι μια μηχανη παντος εδαφους με συμβηβασμους το δοκημασα σε ολα τα τερεν απο την εμπειρια μου θα πω οτι ειναι φταγμενο να ειναι πολλη καλο στο στροφιλικη πολλη καλοστημενο για τα λεφτα του και ειναι καλο κ στην πολη στο χωμα σε ανωμαλα τερεν . Το kove 800x pro δεν εχει ανταγωνηστη εως κ της 13000ευρω με 9000 δεν εχει ανταγωνησμο . Αν κρατηση κ δεν σπασει το μοτερ κ το δικτιο ανταλακτικων υποστηρηχθει επαρκως τοτε θα ταξιδεψει παντου σε ολοι την γη . Θεμα αξιοπιστίας δεν εχουμε εικονα χερετησμους απο ελλαδα
I don't like the look of the BMW K1600, looks very generic. Then I don't like bikes where you can't see the motor or feel it shake, and I only have V twins.
I have heard that the charge too much for services.
What ABR were you at last year, I remember it being g very dry
Both are stupid concepts. Too heavy for off road and bad for the road.
You don’t know about SWM , unbelievable
Based on a review from Chinese Motocycle influencer. This 185kg of Kove 800X is wet weight, fully fuelled up. In comparasion, the old KTM 790 ADV R weights 210kg in wet ( czcams.com/video/SUSxwHJrtjw/video.html )
Where are they shaving the weight from? Does Kove have magic materials and design or just using less material making a less robust bike
i’m very wary about these Chinese bikes ..they are deliberately spamming the markets with these cheap bikes , deliberately undercutting other manufacturers with the sole intent in my paranoia to basically put the others out of business . then when they have no competitors then you will see what the true prices .
Americans are doing the same, everyone is doing the same. It's a valid business tactic. The questions is what we as consumers can do to make the most of it!
That’s why apple products are all made in china there’s was the same fear with Japanese cars and then bikes
I’m just worried about Chinese engineering and experience more than manufacturing. The Japanese and Euros have been doing this for a long time.
I wonder what Harley Davidson is trying to do? What is their scam? They charge so much that nobody can actually even sit on them at the dealer. Not many people can afford a $27,000 motorcycle.
So the Chinese companies are actually trying to build a properly priced product and they are charging a fair price instead of trying to scam people. Just like your cell phone. Patriot Mobile charges half as much for service but uses the exact same cell towers as Verizon and AT&T.
Motorcycles have been historically over priced compared to cars. Because they contain only a fraction of components, and metal. Assembling a motorcycle on an assembly line requires a few bolts, it should only cost a fraction of a new car.
The Chinese products will simply drive down prices and create a pricing war which is going to create a new Golden Age of motorcycling, like the late 1960's with the CB750 and the Hemi muscle cars with forged cranks and solid high nickel engine blocks for cheap.