Light Weight Catamarans verses Production Catamarans - La Vagabonde Response
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- La Vagabonde "Riley' presents some interesting facts about sailing catamarans @Sailing La Vagabonde - The Bruce Factor etc.
Later in the video he asks Impi if we would make a comment based on our experiences of sailing all these years and many miles on a Lagoon 440.
Thanks La Vagabond for engaging and raising very pertinent topics:
See their video at: • The TRUTH about Buying...
Great boat they have, great family from a great nation - AUSTRALIA
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Fantastic information Brent and Ana! Your experience is so varied with locations and conditions from perfect to no way in hell! We’ve always appreciated your balance between comfort and performance. Hope to sail with you in 2021!
Absolutely agree with GWTW comment. Thanks Brent & Ana for providing a response to La Vagabonde video and providing more context and information.
One great sailing couple to another.
It's amazing to hear from you guys again - we absolutely hope to be sailing with you in 2021 - Terry will be very jealous :D !!!!
We've been watching you guys struggle to get back to your boat and have been feeling very sorry for you both. You've spent some time on Mikes boat and we have a common friend in Rory Crawford who used to surf with Mike - so well done for supporting him - its been hugely discussed here in the land Down Under.
Stay in touch xxxx
Agree with the Wynns, great information, thanks!
Spot on Niki and Jason, Brent and Anna are two of the very experienced live aboard blue water cruising couples with decades of experience and knowledge to share with those who ask. Very interesting to hear that they strengthened structural bulkheads and fitted watertight bulkheads. This video they shared should help many identify some of the points that they need to look at closely when choosing which cat to start their journey on.
Glad to see that you guys finally got back to Curiosity after being separated for so long. Hope you guys get back on the water soon and Aussie open up for you guys for cyclone season.
Stay safe guys.
Cheers
What a great conversation guys. With the Leopard 46, we probably fit more into the Impi camp on the light vs heavy(er) debate. We’d also been in a real storm some while back on our monohull, and when sailing the Outremer or Schionning, I couldn’t shake that memory of the storm and just how violent it was and how difficult it was to control the boat. We haven’t seen the same on the cat, or even close to it, but since we are always just the two of us, I feel a bit better about the risk. Plus, I feel the load carrying ability is just so much better on a boat like ours. But Riley’s points are all good ones, and I can’t really disagree with any of it....just not the compromises for us. Feel like we need a round table or something!
I would love to be a fly on the wall with a few beers during that conversation...it'd be interesting. Love your channel btw.
Hi guys - we've sailed many times on the Leopard 46 and loved it too. I will say less than more as I'm keen to read the opinions of the broader community - and yes, for sure - it comes down to what we want to get from our boats as individuals, couples, families ...
I do know Outremer are working hard to find a balance between performance and 'carrying weight' so I'm watching this space carefully :) Look forward to seeing you guys on the 'big blue' someday ... Brent and Ana
So glad the O'Kelly's commented. Another valuable perspective. I tend to identify with their thought process on these things. Would be a powerful roundtable!
@@danielcallinan5629 Actually, I regret saying a fly on the wall, I'd love to just have a beer with them all and listen to their discussions with my limited/nil sailing knowledge but just sit and listen...I'll be the bar wench lol
At the end of the day it's a case of what is fit for purpose. A great discussion.
CZcams sailing channels will get better I think with this kind of respectful commentary between channels/boats/needs & desires. My takeaway. Learn how to take advantage of your boats strong features & minimize it's weaknesses.
Possibly one of the most chill couples ever, regardless, whether in everyday life or sailing vlogs. Great measured, objective comments on a subject that can be tortuous to those making sailing decisions.
Love your balanced and polite views. Our 450F has just arrived, we have SO much to learn and you guys are just an amazing example on all fronts, sailing, maintenance and apparently cooking!
Very articulate. It strikes me that asking what is the best cruising boat is the wrong question. It’s clear that many types of boat can work well and a big part of that is how the boat is set up and operated.
So nice to see you again!
Could you please make a short vid eventually about how your rig is designet to allow reefing downwind and how it is done. That would be very educating for many people, especially me of course.
100% agree, or if you've covered it in another video, would love a pointer. Downwind reefing is an important set up to master. I'd also be interested in other changes to your sail inventory, set up. Reinforcements to the jib for heavy weather? If you are not racing, what is a solid basic set of sails? Main+jib + big code 0/D? or Asym?
Anton Ditt - Thank you and yes for sure - so many people are writing to ask us about this topic so I will see how best to capture us doing it in action :)
I have shown it on some of our Facebook vids in the past but I should capture it better and do a full commentary. Please keep reminding me :) - we first need to get our craft back into the water or perhaps I could do this on a friends boat sooner.
@@marklong8608 Hi Mark - We have had many sail set ups since we started sailing. I would conclude that for ocean cruising we find our Hydranet Polyant sails (genoa and Main) are extremely forgiving. Our high performance sails in the past were great but we did not get the life out of them for the price we paid.
Our screecher, assymetric, double genoa and spinnaker sails are all used depending on conditions.
In stronger blows from astern we use a double genoa.
I would say if on a budget - one needs a good main, gneoa and perhaps second genoa (Spinaker can come later and start with double genoa). This way if you loose one genoa there is a spare.
I would then have a screecher or asymmetric sail depending on the passage making.
An asymmetric sail equipped with a Tylaska Fitting works really well for folks who suddenly find themselves overpowered.
I show this in a few videos - here is perhaps one you could find of interest starting at around 3:15 into the video czcams.com/video/Kq63D4zv_5c/video.html
You can also use this with a spinnaker ...
I will make a note to do a video on sail choices we have made when back on the water
Cheers mate
Hey Impi!!! We got turned on to your channel watching Sailing LaVagabonde! My wife and I enjoyed watching this video ! We are in the market for a Lagoon 500 and it's great to hear about your 440! We look forward to watching some of your older videos. And look forward to your channel! Keep up the fantastic work!!!
Thank you very much for both of yours enlightened contribution to the discussion! I think you hit the nail on the head with your opinion that our needs are all different. The key of course is knowing ones needs and researching intelligent options in the never ending compromise game that is sailing.
Cheers from Anacortes, Wa.
I saw you ploughing through HUGE waves on one of your videos. You speak about it . You guys are high on the list of best sailors I've seen on YT. Your experience really showed through.
Fascinating watching you guys . Sailing Ruby Rose are buying a Seawind 1370 customized to their own design. Boats are always evolving
Thank you for all your information - appreciate the time you took and for all the good tips
What a rich discussion we are experiencing here! Thanks to you guys, people with no experience but real sailing dreams get to learn a lot, and believe that liveaboard is a possible dream! Thank you!
Great to hear from the both of you again
Thank you for all that great information. Very well said. Every boat is a compromise of some kind. And every new boat is just a blank starting point to build off of. I love your comments on know the strength and weakness of what you are buying , truer words never spoken. Thanks again for sharing so much of your travels, maybe do a video of the improvements and please include those roving bilge pumps! Safe travels.
As a member of the CZcams sailing audience, I am really enjoying the online interplay between different sailing couples. Thanks for that.
As always Team Impi hits it out of the ball park, great video, experienced content, thanks for your perspective, safe seas and fair winds to you guys.
Very valuable advice from two of the best. Thanks for sharing this Ana and Brent.
I agree, for young people one can get by on a shoestring, but from a certain age we do prefer some more comfort, you definitely know your boat and are knowledgeable about its systems, love to listen to your technical videos because you are so passionate and go into such detail that it becomes a pleasure to participate in your enthusiasm. Love you guy and would love to see more of you but I respect your decision to be more private and relaxed. Fair winds and lotsa fun! from the Karoo.
Guys, this was an interesting video! Good to hear you talk about all these pros and cons, the things you changed on your boat, and your insights as long term sailors. Thanx!
Happy greetingz from Greece, Wim
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have been following both La Vagabonde and you for years. I love the content from both of your channels. To have such a civil and informative discussion is rare. When Riley made his excellent case, my first reaction "Ask Brent" before he did. No boat does it all, a skipper has to be comfortable with his boat and his skills. Both you and Riley are competent skippers. I wouldn't hesitate going to sea with either of you. But, I have never seen anyone that can sail a catamaran like you. You wear that Lagoon.
So Brent is a size 44!🤔
Thanks mate 👍
"No boat does it all"? I disagree...Silent Solar 64/55. No wind, no problem. AC all the time. Full-size fridge/freezer. 8-12 kts all the time, yep, 24/7. Nearly zero maintenance (like you care...money fixes everything)...no gen. You'll need a couple of bucks...but if you can afford this, you can most likely afford the $1K-$4K/month on 512K sat internet.
@@willworknow so how does it cope with a lightening strike?
@@willworknow Forgetting to mention it has a powerful generator for backup and if anything happens to those solar panels, it's basically just another motor yacht.According to company literature, it can only do 24/7 sailing at 6 to 8 knots. 12 to 14 is for short periods. Brent is right, lightning strikes can wreak havoc. If anything goes wrong in a remote area, you are stuck. If you want to see the real future of motor/sailing check out Energy Observer. Solar, Wind, Hydrogen.
Impi those folks are Legends! Thanks for the opposing view point! Cheers to you two on the GOLD COAST! Fair Winds and Calm Seas! Best from the States!
Thank you for this very informative video. Once again, I've learned a lot, I love your quiet and always friendly reports.
Absolutely love hearing both sides, Much thanks to Riley and to you both for the advice given. I'm an older Australian who dreams of spending his later years on a sailboat. I have been watching Riley since his mono whole sailboat. Love you all.
You guys, always the best for me, thanks for the discussions over the years you are truly an inspiration.
Brent and Ana, what a wealth of information and experience you have. It was fascinating to listen about your adventures, but great to listen to your practical solutions to the various weather systems you encountered and the modifications you deemed necessary to maintain a safe cruising life. Thank you for sharing.
Of all your great videos I've watched, I think this is my favorite. Thanks!
Great video guys! Love your videos and all great points you bring up! As an armchair sailor, I look forward to your videos as they are so authentic. Please do more!
One of the best sailing channels and I must say you are a most adorable couples. You are both so generous and kind with your comments, classy and straight forward. Cheers to the two of you and happy and safe sailing always!
Wow I could listen to you guys talk about sailing all day. Very informative and passionate
Great balance of information, as always, between technology, rigging, electrics, safety and on the other side, beautiful locations. Thanks for sharing this. New owners could and should feed of off he information provided by you and Riley. Stay safe.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
It's always a good day when I see a video from you two who I consider the best sailing teachers on the Planet. Thanks for this one!
I generally do not watch CZcams videos, but this one popped up, and I gave it a go. I think you presented solid reasons for your purchase and what is important for your family. We’ve been sailing now for almost nine years full time, with our two kids. We live on our Antares 44, and have sailed is many different weather conditions. Like yourself, we’ve never seen the need to ‘outrun’ bad weather. Never. Sarah is always quick to tell me to ‘slow down’ and ‘reef early’ when weather comes our way - and for us, sailing slower (6-8kts) is preferred to faster. It’s more comfortable, and the crew feels a lot ‘safer’. Thanks again for your video. Well done and good luck. We are in the Philippines now, waiting for COVID to pass so we can get to Penang, Malaysia. :)
Hey Field Trip family! Thanks for your comments and all the sharing you do! Your anchoring info came in handy in Indonesia! Stay strong 💪💪💪
Great insights - thanks a lot!
Miss you IMPI...
cheers from Toronto
Really enjoyed listening to your views , your experience shines through.. I also feel LA vagabonds video is also a great tool for learning. Cheer's guys
Thoroughly enjoyed this video Ana and Brent, Thank You. Ross.
I have been following La Vagabonde since I believe there 4th episode on the Original monohull. I absolutely love this video, sharing your knowledge with the likes of LA Vagabond, Gone with 5he Wynns, and Sailing Zatara. And with all of us landlubbers dreaming of casting off!
Now that was Great...Real...
Honest...No rubbish...Just Absolutely FANTASTIC...
luv it , luv it , luv it & inspired to respond by an Aussie....what's not to luv
Cheers
Gladly a new video thanks
Welcome back. I always considered you the Encyclopedia of boat layout. Have missed you!
Great video guys. Totally agree with single line reefing - it’s probably one of the most important safety features that you can have with ball bearing batten cars mean that reefing downwind is safe and easy - giving a lower threshold for safety. As to point of sail we use a barberhauler/in haul to pull our Genoa in - giving us 31° apparent upwind. All boats are a compromise. I also think that the larger lagoons with longer water-lines have better performance and the difference between the offerings is much less than in the smaller boats. Good information and complimentary advice giving a rounded advice set between the two videos.
Thank you, great information and excellent perspective.
I appreciate learning from you. Please share your tips about things to look for when buying a catamaran. A tour of Impi would be awesome👍
Have so missed your vids during lock down in Melb Aust, Glad your both well, take care Pete
Thank you IMPi love your comments extremely informative restored my love for lagoons going fast is great but I would like a few creature comforts and take my time.
Hi Ana and Brent 🙏
Thank you so much for this and all other videos 💙👍 I also hope that you will find the time to make a video about all your upgrades, from strengthen the bulk head in front cabin, to rig and sails, fair winds, and thank you again!!
Kind regards
David
Very well balanced reply. I can vouch for needing air con in SE Asia. We only had one in our cabin, which we used in marinas initially. At anchor was bearable with fans usually, but eventually we gave up trying to put up with it. We started our Honda 2kva generator with a soft start fitted, and ran it every night for 9 months on our trip from Malaysia back to Brisbane and had 9 hours of air conditioned comfort every night. 4-5 litres of petrol was a cheap price to pay for a good nights sleep, and waking up refreshed.
Thanks for a very informative video guys. Love both channels
Great to see you back guys. A very informative video. If I was going to sit someone down with a beer - or two - and seek their advice on anything sailing it would be you two. I guess the saying would be, you've forgotten more than most know! Great stuff - thanks for sharing. Best from NS Canada.
Excellent! Thanks 🙏
I always love your videos whenever you show up ! Cheers !
After watching your vlogs on here, I thoroughly enjoyed your technical skills, especially the bit of engineering you did to replace the impeller with an electric pump. These days I am starting to enjoy watching a new set of cruisers using DIY chart plotters and auto pilots, more the economic stand point of sailing. But for the longest time and still today, I still enjoy watching you and Anna and for what you did for that abandoned puppy. Just letting you know I enjoyed it and hope to hear more from you two. 👍👍👍👍👍🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
I have soooooo missed you guys. Great to see another video from you. Happy to see you both well.
Cheers
Steve
You guys are the real deal!
Longtime Fan!
WOOHOO!!!
Nice video. It's the old saying of fast, comfortable, inexpensive - pick two. We regularly have 6 to 8 and max at 12 people onboard and simply need the things that go with a heavy boat. You can't wash that many sheets, towels, and clothes without extra's.
Great to see you guys again. Glad to see you are surviving the apocalypse better than most.You two are looking incredible right now. Ana, what did you do to Brent, he is looking younger, slimmer and better than ever!! Looking forward to more of your content.
Take care,be safe. Many Thanks,Dave
Brent & Ana, thank you for the insight and your honesty.
Thanks very much for sharing your experiences and thoughts!
5:52 Love that photo with a dolphin in the air leaping from a wave way above the boat.
Great content guys. It's nice to outrun the storms but as we have all found out. that isn't always possible. Love seeing all my sailing channels joining the discussion. I also wanted to commend you on the 3,000 engine hours in 11 years. Made me shed a tear. Haha.
What a wonderful community the sailing community is. Great information from all.
Great info, thanks!
Good to see you both in front of the camera again. Great solid information in response to Riley's video
A saafie here. GF and I signed up first to power boat club. Starting now To Get to the retired ocean crossing couple for our future. Thanks for the info! Skippers course to happen in the new yr.
You two just crushed it! Great job conveying a lot of information in a clear and concise manner. Respectful and real life situations.
yup!
So good to see you guys 😍
great video! Thanks for your thoughts. Fair sea's and weather to you guys!
Thank you guys. Really good information and good to see the sharing of important experience that as beginners we just don't have.
Thank you for sharing the info, this is first video I have watched of yours, interesting stuff will view the rest of your videos. Take care stay safe.
Great to see you back on CZcams, such valuable information I could listen to you both all day! Welcome to Australia! I am about to buy a 40 ft cat so thanks for sharing! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
HI Brent and Ana, I think you've done an amazing job on this video. I am in the school of lighter faster cats--built a 11.7m Pescott cat and sailed around the NSW coast. Your point is really valid regarding what do you really want from your boat--We kept ours very simple, outboards for motors which I would almost certainly do for our next cat due to the simplicity, weight and no drag (and no sail drive vulnerability--we still could sit on 9 knots with full cruising gear on board. Daggerboards is the other thing we loved. The ability to go really hard on the wind with minimum leeway and then the ability to pull them right up and sneak into bays. We certainly did not have the ability to carry the gear you do but I liked the simplicity of how we set her up and the performance under sail. Offshore, true we did have to slow her down, but this was more just taking down sail. We had three solid reefs in the main --and you're right the ability to reef on any point of sail is critical. So horses for courses.. Phil
Great to see you back guys. I really enjoyed your discussion even if I'm a mono sailor these days.
Thank you for sharing your information. Enjoy your journey.
Now we need the list of ‘converting your 440 into a proper blue water cat’!
I seem to have missed this comment - sorry Robert ...
We’ve just completed some new upgrades and hoping to be totally done in the next few weeks. Hopefully I can share these upgrades with everyone interested 👍👋
@@CatamaranImpi discovered you this morning. Was going to make a similar request to this, but especially interested in your custom rigging.
@@stevenwentzell5705 Thank you Steven. I'm not sure about custom rigging as mostly it comes this way as 'standard from the factory'. We did add a lot to the deck gear re directing rigging lines and yes, that is something I can share going forward as it really helps to be able to have all lines secured in particular 'spaces' when reefing in heavy weather. Thank you for your comment ... cheers for now Brent
@@CatamaranImpi apologies, probably a product of my inexperience, was referring to the spreaders and coach top travellers that allow you to point closer to wind, specifically. That bit seems like very useful info. Dankie, for the quick reply!
@@stevenwentzell5705 no problem my friend 👍
Actually the Lagoon 440 comes out standard this way and the reason I pointed it out is because when one is looking to buy a catamaran, this could be one aspect to consider - is how the rig is set up relative to the ‘lines / sheets’ and how that affect on various points of sail.
It’s not a critical need as there are always ways to work around manufacturers set up, however, it is interesting that by having the configuration we do that it results in a great close hauled point of sail particularly for a catamaran which many consider not good for a close point of sail.
The barber hauler set up is literally a looped section with a pulley we attach to the outside midship hornscleat and this allows with an extra sheet on the Genoa to bring the clew to a position anywhere from close hauled to broad reach sailing . (We play the clew between the two Genoa sheets on each tack )
I hope this makes sense 👍
Always great to hear from you guys. The most thrilling thing I got from this video was how well you both look.
Lloyds said some time ago that the number one reason for yacht sinkings was from rudder damage and you quite rightly include sail drive damage as it's the same thing really. Do you also have a water tight bulkheads forward of your engine rooms.
Stay safe and well.
Really interesting. Thank you.
Fantastic to hear from you guys, I really enjoy your vlogs. Thanks for your knowledge it's very helpful.
very good stuff and thx for sharing your journey with us...cheers mates !
Great comments your experience shows is what you say I learnt a lot great ideas on your Sailing and the Lagoon modifications. I am new to sailing but have 40 years experience as Captain on small Charter vessels working in very remote places I now have a 65 Fountaine Pajot second owner . Same as the Lagoon Great Multihull very well built but to sail very remote I have spent one year upgrading and changing the Multihull to be completely safe and able to have everything onboard
The lightning issues are a worry and any ideas will be great to consider
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Wishing you and your family the best!
It’s always a pleasure and sorry we don’t do more videos - we literally don’t know where the time goes but we share whenever we get a gap 👌
Cheers 🍻
Good info from all the Cat lovers. I would be one but the 2006 privilege I wanted was sold the day it arrived in Australia, so I settled for an Amel 54. A cat will be the only replacement for me. But I still enjoy the vids from Impi. But not the times you stop putting out vids. Most times I watch to learn and you do inspire and give knowledge. Stay well and keep enjoying the voyage
Very good perspective. Owning a performance monohull, I would definitely recommend a heavier displacement boat for extended off shore sailing.
Super Lekker to hear your knowledgeable input.
Brilliant, thank you.
Hi Brent, as you know I often pass on your knowledge to others as I value your experience ( as well as some others ) far more than anything that a salesman may sprout. I'm not a blue water sailor so I always listen to those with real experience and what i have garnered is this. When cruising it is always best to be prepared for the worst so that it either never happens or if it does it's a lot safer. When looking at your sailing time somewhere between 80 and 90% of the time you are either on the hook or doing a short sail of less than eight hours. The biggest growth area in cruising craft is with a catamaran. Whilst every area of yachting is going electronic and somehow improving and becoming more efficient the humble WC still remains THE single most feared and unimproved device on any yacht.
As always take care, stay safe and keep having fun.
Thank you very much for the counter point.
great information, some awesome video from you and la vag
Thanks, on the mark. sail safe..
Thanks so much 🙏
I love learning and your view point of making a boat. your own based on your personal needs!
Excellent discussion. We have a Maxim 380 Catamaran. You probably know it as she was built in Durban. We also reef without pointing to wind but unfortunately we still have to go to the mast to pin the reef. I happen to be the reef alarm as well!
You guys are fantastic. We are currently in the market for a 440 and hope the be in the water by April. Really appreciate the perspective.
I’m a first time viewer and I look forward to going through more of your videos. I’m intrigued in what you’re doing with your sails/rigging and the other improvements to your cat. Nicely done!
Hi Guys, Wow a great follow up to Riley's cat buying video. Education is key and you perfectly described so much in detail. The yachting community is lucky to have you! Randy
Hi 👋 guys
Nice to hear from you again - it’s been a while and we’ve been posting less and less with way too little time on our hands 😂
I think the yachting community is fantastic in how everyone shares their experience so we can all learn and enjoy our days cruising the oceans.
Thank you for the lovely comment and hope to see you out on the deep blue some day.
Cheers
Brent and Ana
Thank you. Dave
Great insights from massive experience and you have another subscriber! Lots to think about as we choose a boat but good to hear strong support for Lagoon, albeit with modifications. Thanks 😊
Thanks for the subs Richard!
Thanks Brent and Ana ... great response.
Thank you for sharing,still on land now put trying to put things together and listen to people who actually sail a lot.
The 2500 miles upwind was kind of a statement !!!
GOD bless you all
Wonderful response and thanks for sharing your views and experiences. Fair Winds from Boston!!
Thanks for engaging with us all the way from Boston 👌🙌 and always a pleasure to share as we learn … ✨👋
This is excellent, I'm researching my next boat and am pretty much in the middle of two almost opposite ideas. My previous experience has been heavy monohulls, and light fast cats.
So on one hand I'm very keen on the new 48ft Balance which looks like its going to be quick, and comfortable. On the other hand I'm very much the type of "be prepared" kind of sailor who likes to carry lots of tools, spare parts, swapout-ready units (freshwater pump I'm looking at you), dive-tanks, compressor, extra freezer-space for spearfishing etc. None of which would be welcome on a lighter-weight performance cat. The more that this sort of thing gets discussed, the easier it is for us all to make informed choices.