How 'bout those single core synthetic scores? I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Demolishing Intel in that department. ALSO: I just realized I typed "Gigabyte Z490 Designare," but the board used for 10th Gen testing was the Vision G from the same manufacturer. The 9900KS was tested on a Z390 Designare board. Same kit of RAM used throughout.
@@GregSalazar That would be awesome! I have a Ryzen 1700 (oc's to 3.8Ghz) on x370 and was looking to upgrade to a 3700/x because I wouldn't have to change motherboards. I could be swayed if the 5700x/5800x on b550 is leaps and bounds better.
I think the sweet spot is the 5600x and 5900x. The 5800x has more competition especially since the i9 10850k, which is hitting $425 lately, is seemingly pretty close in performance. But damn that 5900x is nice
The intel for gaming sure, but you'd be surprised at how much performance zen offers for other things. Like you see intel do well on games right? That is on fresh installs. Zen will smash intel on the average PC. I would argue that its much better than shown here due to being able to handle everything else much better.
yeah i agree that the 5600x will be the way to go. I really don't think going to the 5900x will be worth it at this point till AMD lowers the price if you already have intel's top offerings at the moment
Greg, you make other CZcamsrs look like they're in the wrong business. Solid opinions, very well spoken, and you cram so much content into your videos, its always worth watching. Great job man!
Price is what determines the best option... in my country 5800x was $720 and the next option was the 5950x at $1250... it was a no brainer for me. Happy with my 5800x !!
There's also more than the price of the CPU. There is the price of the motherboard. During this time, equivalent Intel vs AMD motherboards were $60-$80+ higher for Intel. That is why I chose a Ryzen 3600 + Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming Wi-Fi for my nephew instead of an Intel 10400 + MSI MAG something something.. and even that MSI board didn't have the same quality as Asus, nor did it have the same amount of USB ports or as robust of a chipset. AND... while my nephew is STILL running his awesome little R5 3600 + B550-F Gaming Wifi, he has the option to slap a 5800x3D in there now whenever his CPU begins holding him back. He currently has a 6600XT in it (mind you, I built this around 2 years ago for his birthday (just before Christmas). And he already has some great RAM... Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600 C16 2x8GB. He can throw two more in, which will put him in dual rank, slap whatever GPU he wants in there and upgrade to a 5800x3D and be ready to rock for another 5 years (with maybe one more GPU upgrade). Intel honestly just didn't have anything to match that bang for the buck. Not then and ESPECIALLY not in regard to the future upgrades. And after seeing his board and how nice it was, when I built my new PC (upgraded from a couple of PC's I had, one was FX-8350, one was Pentium G4560 which was for a mining rig), I went with the same board as him, except it was the revision II model. Only difference was that his is Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.0 and mine has Wi-Fi 6e and Bluetooth 5.2. So I have the Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming II + Ryzen 9 5900x + 6700XT + 2x16GB DDR4 3600 C16 dual rank. It's the only dual rank kit in that Ripjaws Series V line up. I've went through all of my timings (well, okay, 65% to MAYBE 70% of the options) and fine tuned the timings. She's a BEAST. I get around 65,000 MB/s (65GB/s) Read/Write/Copy speeds in AIDA64. Everyone else gets 55GB/s. I guess it's a combo of the dual rank and timings. Maybe just the dual rank. I dunno. Know what the issue with these builds are? THEY'RE BORING haha. He hasn't had one single issue with any single part or anything that I bought or built for him. That's great, yes, but also... it's boring if you know what I mean. For the first year, I was always like "How's your computer doing?" and he'd always be like "good." Aww... no problems at all for me to fix 😞
Great Video Greg!! Not sure what you did different, but this video had a really nice flow to it. Your info, and graphs were great. Keep up the awesome work my man!!! You're the cream of the crop my man!!!
I got a 5800x today to upgrade from my 4790k, I only game, but wanted an 8 core CPU to match the consoles as I want it to last another 5-6 years like my 4790k has. I'll hopefully be able to grab a 6800xt too.
@@Truth12345 the line at my micro center was at least 50 people. Everyone walked out with a CPU :) edit: Heard the same about friends near other micro centers and big stores. It's always going to be sold out online. It sucks for people that don't live near a micro center or their Best Buy has 0 stock, but a lot of people were actually able to get these CPUs unlike nvidias RTX 3080 Launch.
In the NL it sold out in about 15 sec. The in stock counter also only showed 30 cpu's. One store went straight to per-order, delivered 2021. But I also checked DE web shops. They were also very fast to sold out. 5900x weren't even listed.
I was more excited for the alleged memory compatibility. I heard these new processors could handle higher frequencies without the diminishing returns due to the infinity fabric. I don’t know if that it is true and/or could be tested.
Loved your video Greg.. Gives us the base line for Ryzen third gen on B550. "IF" an X570 test bench comes around would you be inclined to show any performance comparisons? Thanks Greg for the review!
The best possible situation we can hope for is that Intel and AMD keep swapping the "crown" back and force with each new release. That controls pricing and compels both to keep innovating. I play games at 3440x1440 and generally upper range settings on a 3900X/2080Ti, so I'm largely GPU bound. These new CPUs wouldn't be a significant upgrade for me, but I'm happy to see AMD continuing to do well.
Couldnt agree more, we need competition and intel just needs to get it together and come out with something new. Hoping they stick to the next fall time frame for 10nm. Yeah i know its not the GREAT 7nm that AMD has, but if they can get this type of performance out of 14nm, I'm interested to see what they will do with 10nm and how it will compare to AMDs new 5nm process. We should have many great years ahead of us for choosing fantastic cpus
Considering recent developments by Intel with massive amounts of bravado and an OG running things again, it seems Intel will come back on top finally. However I believe their crown will be very short lives, as I see Zen 4 absolutely annihilating Intel with a DDR5/AM5/5nm launch. Meanwhile the newest Intel chips years after will STILL be on DDR4 and 14nm, maybe 7nm. Unless Intel adopts DDR5 and AMD's philosophy, there won't be much crown switching. Maybe Intel can better compete with GPUs. Maybe Nvidia destroys Intel with their ARM x86 CPUs.
Hey Greg, Can you see how the 5900X & 5950X compare in gaming with 'hyperthreading" enabled vs disabled 1080p, 1440p & 4K? Is there any benefit with the higher core count CPUs to disable hyperthrerading if only gaming, with minimal office/browsing work.
I just went from the 3800x to the 5800x yesterday and noticed a huge change. I mainly play esports titles which are cpu intensive so in valorant I gained 200-250+ fps, Fortnite I gained 300 fps, Rust I gained 20+ fps, minecraft I also saw an increase in performance. I’m not sure why fortnite got a huge boost, but playing a normal game I averaged 600-800 fps lol! I’m selling the 3800x to my friend so everything worked out for me.
Thanks Greg, very informative. Definitely won't be upgrading from my 3700x to 5900x unless prices come down or if I can resell my 3700x for a decent amount. Rather save it for an 6800xt gpu
By using a 550 board that amd said isn't exactly ready to use the chips yet, and then gimping the cpu, sure... You can see every other review shows amd doing way better. Either there's something wrong with his setup, or all of theirs. Even if the 550 is holding it back, they are at least on par.
Was thinking about getting this motherboard but i heard it have issuse with the c'mos battery is it fix are they still having issue with this board and what's a good board with 6 USBs in the rear and a 5 series zen for gaming
Just bought a 5800x for 499 Canadian, super excited for it to arrive. Like 250 cheaper than 5900x. Gonna make a nice upgrade from my aging 7700k to pair with my 3080. My first AMD since Athlon 64 X2, really hoping I'm not gonna be hit by the usb issue and have to force PCIe 3.
Im interested in seeing how the non-x versions of the 5000 CPUs will stack up against intel considering they should be about the same price as intels 10000 series CPUs.
I've been on a ryzen 5 1600 since launch. I upgrade my mobo to a b550 earlier and just got a Ryzen 7 5800x today looking forward to upgrade in that sweet spot
You will Love it, went from a 1800x to a 3800x (just cpu drop in) and it was very noticeable difference and didn't have to touch any overclock settings just left it at stock and it normal to boosts to around 4.2ghz I have my 3800x pre sold just waiting for money off him so I can buy my pc so he can have my "old" 3800x (Asus prime pro x370) system Reason for not waiting was because the 1800x was just to slow for factorio (as 1800x is comparable to a 4th gen i7 cpu for factorio, ONI and KSP)
Hey Greg, thanks for making this video! In case you want suggestions for another video, could you please test which memories and motherboards would be the best to buy for the 5800x and the 5600x? I got one of each, but I'm kind of puzzled which motherboard and RAMs I should buy. People are telling me that I should go for RAMs that are not faster or slower than 3600-3666Mhz with a CL16 latency.
I'm just wow. Its so weird seeing AMD on the top of gaming benchmarks. Its awesome. If they keep this up whenever I replace my 8700k I could switch platforms.
Actually in purely gaming benchmarks Ryzen is mostly the same as Intel. If you looks closely, all gaming benchmark average might have been in favour of Intel. Granted that you compare same core count chips (5800x vs 10700k).
I was tired of waiting and bought a z490 motherboard online, I was gonna pair it with the 10700k, and rx 6800xt. However, now that these 5000 cpu's are out, and are most likely out of stock, should I keep my i7 10700k along with my motherboard, or return them?
thanks for the coverage Greg! i actually was able to preorder my r9 5900x at like 11pm mts from b&h even though i have a rog Crosshair hero 7 wifi i assumed these would instantly sell out so i jumped on it while i could because my 2700x died on me so im stuck with a athalon 200ge for right now until bios updates roll for x470. My question is do you think the potential 2 month+ delay for x470 board support was really necessary? or do you think it was to give 5000 series buyers on a older am4 platform more of a reason to upgrade boards?
Hey Bryce, the software/BIOS support delay could have been for a number of reasons. Obviously, X570 is gonna be a priority, and it'll trickle down from there. But since they're all motivated to _sell_ motherboards, the delay was also (likely) at least somewhat strategic for X470.
completely agree about the gta 5 benchmark...i am glad that somebody did that...Now i know ryzen did came a long way in gaming. Thanks a lot for the review. Subbed!
I mostly agree with your conclusion! However I do believe a large swath of gamers are already on a Ryzen platform making this upgrade a no brainer. I also believe the 5800X will drop in price, the 5900X as well. The 5600 and 5700 will definitely be the sweet spot and I'm willing to bet that gaming performance will be equal or close to the benchmarks shown today! The 5600 may even perform better with over clocking! Less cores may give it more thermal head room. The reason i believe this is because as we've seen with the 3300X, thermal head room can give a great OC and a great OC on Ryzen can give amazing in game performance! It only has 4 cores 8 threads, but most games don't use much more than 4 threads.
Linus @Linus Techtips was talking about different youtubers got very different results and maybe the memoryspeed is playing a much bigger role when using the new AMD Cpu:s, which memory frequency did you have @greg?
Nice video, its good that you used an RTX 2080TI, since it will show what a RTX 3070 should deliver with those CPU. But probably the gap between intel and AMD would get bigger with a RTX 3080 / 3090. Not all Zen 3 cost more than original zen price, for example, Ryzen 7 1800X price was $499, when the Ryzen 7 5800X is $449. Not to mention the performance delta is huge.
I have an asus x570 tuf, 3800x, with 5700 xt. I will try to get a 6800 xt. Should I upgrade the cpu to take advantage of the 6000 series gaming boost??
In my case, I went from 2700x to 5800x not simply for the upgrade but to invest in Smart Access Memory once the 6000 series cards launch. This is going to be a long term build for me and while I’d have to upgrade from a x570 board I think by then the value will be there on a generation per generation level to upgrade much much later in the 5nm line. Potentially towards the end of that gen or beginning of whatever is beyond that.
The 5800x is the perfect gaming CPU, especially during the time you got it. All 8 cores and only one CCD, unlike my 5900x with 2x CCDs. Not that it matters in benchmarks, but theoretically... However, the 5900x does run WAYYYY cooler than the 5800x. I average around 4.75ghz in games. I use Curve Optimizer, though. I get 5.55-5.6ghz in CPU-z stress test pulling 142 watts, too, and barely touch 65C. Only if the room is hot. However, I do have one of the better coolers over it... a Fuma 2 Rev B. Better than any $120 AIO water cooler.
Hello Greg do you think for a 5950X on R20 a 10800 score on multi and 576 on Single Core is good im wondering if i lack performance? as im rocking a 5950X on a X570 A PRO MSI motherboard
dang sad bois, nice tech, but i liked the cheaper ryzen days.i got my 2700x for like 190 bucks, why the heck would i want to pay like triple that for something that wont make a noticable difference in most gaming and applications, seems like this time amd is the new intel. hope my 2700x build holds out for brighter days, id like to be paying around 300 for an 8 core beast 4-5 years from now. heres hopin for ryzen 9800x
5800x with the 3070ti. I needed something beefy because I stream single pc to twitch. This combo has made it easy and kept my fps super stable on the game I play, pubg.
I am getting only 590 single core points on 5900x. Any clue what might be the issue? I have the newest bios, up-to-date windows and power profile set to performance. Also RAM is 3600Mhz CL16.
3dmark has to have a update. How can ryzen 5000 series run worse/on par with ryzen 3000. My 5950x scores lower then my old 3950x in 3d mark cpu scores.
So glad you tested with a 2080 TI (not only of which I have) because most of us still have those, and not so many ppl have the 3000 GPUs, an awesome review!!
I already addressed this in the video. Most triple-A games in 4K won't require a beefed up CPU. Don't bother upgrading. I also addressed upgrading from the 3800X in particular, if you watched that far into the video.
Hallo and Merry Christmas I have a question I can't find any info about online as noone seems to address this... I know 2x16gb of dual rank gives you 4 ranks I know 4x16gb of single rank give you 4 ranks My question is what are the effects when you use 4x16 dual rank sticks? Do you have any gains? Do you actually effect negatively the system? Does the system even use the sticks properly at that point? I am using Asus strix x570 E & Ryzen 9 5900X The memory is G.SKILL TRIDENTZ NEO 2X16GB DDR4-3600MHz F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC
i was going to upgrade my 3900x to a 5900x but after watching this im in doubt and thinking i should upgrade my gpu 5700xt to a 3080 or 6800xt instead if you had to guess which upgrade would give me the most FPS increase in 1080p 144hz gaming CPU og gpu?
In 2022 I think this chip rocks, picked mine up for $280 at BestBuy and dropped my thermals 10 deg from a Ryzen 3500. I'm getting high frams at high settings on every game I play so far. I do have great airflow and a 240mm AIO but same set up the 3500 was in. picking up the 5900X today for my other rig. I will be skipping the 5th Gen for a good while, prob till price drops on them as well
I been thinking about upgrading my Ryzen 7 3800X to a Ryzen 9 5900X on my X570 Aorus Master.....any thoughts or comments would be appreciated @Greg Salazar
I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5900x for $350. Figured to get the best of this generation and then sit back for the next 2 to 3 years untill all the new chips are settled and better benchmarks and analysis are done. Plus i believe you would need a new MB for the new CPUs? I think...
Did Amd tell you to use the 2080ti ? Just curious because I watched joker productions and he also used a 2080ti even though he owns a 3080 or 3090 can't remember which .
@@twiincentral8780 It'll be a big difference but there will be many Sku's of the Zen 3 coming out soon. If it's a little out of your budget wait for the non 'x' variants to come out
@Dan The Man I know what you mean but I want cyberpunk and my CPU just won't cut it. Unfortunately I don't want to wait for Zen 4 and whilst I could get a budget build using Zen 2 I feel the strides in performance this year is good enough to upgrade as ever. Of course upgrading from Zen 2 to Zen 3 is a no no. On a seperate note, the Zen 4 will be a new process and may come with kinks which Zen 5 or 4+ will iron out so I think going big on the end of a generation isn't a bad shout.
How 'bout those single core synthetic scores? I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Demolishing Intel in that department.
ALSO: I just realized I typed "Gigabyte Z490 Designare," but the board used for 10th Gen testing was the Vision G from the same manufacturer. The 9900KS was tested on a Z390 Designare board. Same kit of RAM used throughout.
Hold on! I haven't fully watched the video yet cause I am too busy posting comments! :P
Spoilers on the worst kept secrets dude!
Watched it. Those single core scores are pretty good!
This is definitely enough for me to roll over to AMD on a second build.
The 5800x isn't more expensive than all the previous generations the 1800x launched at $499 as well
So basically Intel is now the value option? :P
How about a Zen benchmark to show improvements. Like a 1700x, 2700x, 3700x, and a 5800x?
Would be fun! I'll look into setting one up if the 5700X shows up.
@@GregSalazar I hope it will be a when and not an if..
@@GregSalazar That would be awesome! I have a Ryzen 1700 (oc's to 3.8Ghz) on x370 and was looking to upgrade to a 3700/x because I wouldn't have to change motherboards. I could be swayed if the 5700x/5800x on b550 is leaps and bounds better.
@@seoulglo1999 I use 1700x at 3.8 too. With 3600MHz memory, it's very close to the R5 3600 when using RTX 2070 super.
A lot of the x570 motherboards will unofficially actually run a 1000 cpu so can be all done in one motherboard
Currently in line at microcenter with a 5900x. I’m pretty excited to get home and instal it
Paper launch at our Microcenter unfortunately. 10 total 5900 0 total 5950.
I envy all of you who live in places with microcenters
dallas microcenter had only 20 5900x :( but was able to get on b&h preorder. hopefullly can get one
@@sneedoh3186 good luck on B&h since they don't cap pre-orders/backorders.
0 5950 at micro center :/ huge bummer
Might as well just change the name to Ashes of the Benchmark.
Benchmarks of the Singularity!
Who even plays that game honestly
I actually tought that was a benchmark
I want to see a review of the game now, if it indeed is a game.
I think the sweet spot is the 5600x and 5900x. The 5800x has more competition especially since the i9 10850k, which is hitting $425 lately, is seemingly pretty close in performance. But damn that 5900x is nice
The intel for gaming sure, but you'd be surprised at how much performance zen offers for other things. Like you see intel do well on games right? That is on fresh installs. Zen will smash intel on the average PC. I would argue that its much better than shown here due to being able to handle everything else much better.
yeah i agree that the 5600x will be the way to go. I really don't think going to the 5900x will be worth it at this point till AMD lowers the price if you already have intel's top offerings at the moment
@Valhalla Rising No point. 4K is completely GPU bound with almost no CPU input.
5900x all the way. It's only $100 more for an extra 4C/8Ts -- which be much better in terms of future-proofing for the next 3-5ish years.
Best value will probably be the 5600 and 5700x once those drop
Great vid buddy thanks, just found you whilst trying to get back up to speed with PC tech, chose an ironic day to do it huh.
Greg, you make other CZcamsrs look like they're in the wrong business. Solid opinions, very well spoken, and you cram so much content into your videos, its always worth watching. Great job man!
I was able to get a 5800X front Newegg! Usually I wait for benchmarks but I couldn't help myself this time.
Got mine from amazon!
Can you send me a link?
@@dirtymisfit5852 i didnt find the link
@@dirtydoge756 promotions.newegg.com/amd/20-2591/index.html?cm_mmc=snc-facebook-trf--productlaunch--amd-ryzen-5000-series-CPU-_-110520&fbclid=IwAR2JdYUhQbi3aLIUA3MGMXhZtbqRMyeP-4HATfbSrb3eP63vZoD35tvRq7Y
@@dirtydoge756 5600X is still in stock
Price is what determines the best option... in my country 5800x was $720 and the next option was the 5950x at $1250... it was a no brainer for me. Happy with my 5800x !!
There's also more than the price of the CPU. There is the price of the motherboard. During this time, equivalent Intel vs AMD motherboards were $60-$80+ higher for Intel.
That is why I chose a Ryzen 3600 + Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming Wi-Fi for my nephew instead of an Intel 10400 + MSI MAG something something.. and even that MSI board didn't have the same quality as Asus, nor did it have the same amount of USB ports or as robust of a chipset. AND... while my nephew is STILL running his awesome little R5 3600 + B550-F Gaming Wifi, he has the option to slap a 5800x3D in there now whenever his CPU begins holding him back.
He currently has a 6600XT in it (mind you, I built this around 2 years ago for his birthday (just before Christmas). And he already has some great RAM... Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600 C16 2x8GB. He can throw two more in, which will put him in dual rank, slap whatever GPU he wants in there and upgrade to a 5800x3D and be ready to rock for another 5 years (with maybe one more GPU upgrade).
Intel honestly just didn't have anything to match that bang for the buck. Not then and ESPECIALLY not in regard to the future upgrades.
And after seeing his board and how nice it was, when I built my new PC (upgraded from a couple of PC's I had, one was FX-8350, one was Pentium G4560 which was for a mining rig), I went with the same board as him, except it was the revision II model. Only difference was that his is Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.0 and mine has Wi-Fi 6e and Bluetooth 5.2. So I have the Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming II + Ryzen 9 5900x + 6700XT + 2x16GB DDR4 3600 C16 dual rank. It's the only dual rank kit in that Ripjaws Series V line up. I've went through all of my timings (well, okay, 65% to MAYBE 70% of the options) and fine tuned the timings. She's a BEAST. I get around 65,000 MB/s (65GB/s) Read/Write/Copy speeds in AIDA64. Everyone else gets 55GB/s. I guess it's a combo of the dual rank and timings. Maybe just the dual rank. I dunno.
Know what the issue with these builds are? THEY'RE BORING haha. He hasn't had one single issue with any single part or anything that I bought or built for him. That's great, yes, but also... it's boring if you know what I mean. For the first year, I was always like "How's your computer doing?" and he'd always be like "good."
Aww... no problems at all for me to fix 😞
Great Video Greg!! Not sure what you did different, but this video had a really nice flow to it. Your info, and graphs were great. Keep up the awesome work my man!!! You're the cream of the crop my man!!!
I got a 5800x today to upgrade from my 4790k, I only game, but wanted an 8 core CPU to match the consoles as I want it to last another 5-6 years like my 4790k has. I'll hopefully be able to grab a 6800xt too.
Woke up at 5:59 am got a pre-order on B&H. Now the waiting begins for my new pc
"today is another..." sold out in minutes launch-day....! Come back in three months to actually get your hands on one of these
It's just a paper launch.
Exactly
@@Truth12345 the line at my micro center was at least 50 people. Everyone walked out with a CPU :)
edit: Heard the same about friends near other micro centers and big stores. It's always going to be sold out online. It sucks for people that don't live near a micro center or their Best Buy has 0 stock, but a lot of people were actually able to get these CPUs unlike nvidias RTX 3080 Launch.
In the NL it sold out in about 15 sec. The in stock counter also only showed 30 cpu's. One store went straight to per-order, delivered 2021. But I also checked DE web shops. They were also very fast to sold out. 5900x weren't even listed.
There were 10+ of every model at my microcenter and they didn't sell out until 4pm
What were the temps like for the 5800x? I heard someone say it's really bad but I want to know from a third party reviewer such as yourself
during the intro was the background music from the game zombies ate my neighbors lol
18:47 the 3600X is already out. :P
Whoa! Those Cinebench stats are WAY better than I was anticipating.
I was more excited for the alleged memory compatibility. I heard these new processors could handle higher frequencies without the diminishing returns due to the infinity fabric. I don’t know if that it is true and/or could be tested.
Worth investigating, for sure! I'll let ya know.
watch the newest video of "Gamer Meld" he posted one where he overclocked to 5Ghz
It's not true from what I can see
@@jasonzahnd1138 did he personally overclock it or did someone else do it and hes just reuploading their content
Loved your video Greg.. Gives us the base line for Ryzen third gen on B550. "IF" an X570 test bench comes around would you be inclined to show any performance comparisons? Thanks Greg for the review!
Great video, thanks Greg!
I am excited about that cinebench score for the 5800x. Just snagged one. Planning to do 4k editing, gaming and maybe streaming.
Great review as always :)
There is only 15$ between the 10900k and 5900x here in Denmark
The best possible situation we can hope for is that Intel and AMD keep swapping the "crown" back and force with each new release. That controls pricing and compels both to keep innovating. I play games at 3440x1440 and generally upper range settings on a 3900X/2080Ti, so I'm largely GPU bound. These new CPUs wouldn't be a significant upgrade for me, but I'm happy to see AMD continuing to do well.
Couldnt agree more, we need competition and intel just needs to get it together and come out with something new. Hoping they stick to the next fall time frame for 10nm. Yeah i know its not the GREAT 7nm that AMD has, but if they can get this type of performance out of 14nm, I'm interested to see what they will do with 10nm and how it will compare to AMDs new 5nm process. We should have many great years ahead of us for choosing fantastic cpus
Considering recent developments by Intel with massive amounts of bravado and an OG running things again, it seems Intel will come back on top finally. However I believe their crown will be very short lives, as I see Zen 4 absolutely annihilating Intel with a DDR5/AM5/5nm launch. Meanwhile the newest Intel chips years after will STILL be on DDR4 and 14nm, maybe 7nm. Unless Intel adopts DDR5 and AMD's philosophy, there won't be much crown switching. Maybe Intel can better compete with GPUs. Maybe Nvidia destroys Intel with their ARM x86 CPUs.
Back & forth
Thanks for uploading this. =)
Did you ever come out with a video about overclocking or tuning these chips? ive looked but i cant find it.
That box design do be looking nice
Hey Greg, Can you see how the 5900X & 5950X compare in gaming with 'hyperthreading" enabled vs disabled 1080p, 1440p & 4K? Is there any benefit with the higher core count CPUs to disable hyperthrerading if only gaming, with minimal office/browsing work.
All hail the new king!!! I just secured the last friggin unit from my local store... Demand is massive!
I just went from the 3800x to the 5800x yesterday and noticed a huge change. I mainly play esports titles which are cpu intensive so in valorant I gained 200-250+ fps, Fortnite I gained 300 fps, Rust I gained 20+ fps, minecraft I also saw an increase in performance. I’m not sure why fortnite got a huge boost, but playing a normal game I averaged 600-800 fps lol! I’m selling the 3800x to my friend so everything worked out for me.
what gpu
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Snagged a 5900x in Extreme PC! :D
Nice catch dude, I was unlucky sadly. Here in sweden there has been a sad lack of 5900x's. I imagined that there'd be more but alas...
AYEEEE SAME HOMIE they had plenty stock it seemed
@@isakbeaver www.extreme-pc.ca/fastestinthegame/ see if you can do shipping mate
thank you for showing the usage nobody else was.
I was already interested in the 5800x before watching this video, but Greg, you pushed me over the edge!
Thanks!
Interesting question and I'm not sure if it actually makes any difference but is the 5900X ccx layout of 8+4 cores or 6+6 cores?
already getting scalpers selling for anywehere between 30%-55% mark up
gotta love it
OH it's worse now on the 5600x. I've seen up to a 83% markup. ($550)
Thanks for the honesty
Thanks Greg, very informative. Definitely won't be upgrading from my 3700x to 5900x unless prices come down or if I can resell my 3700x for a decent amount. Rather save it for an 6800xt gpu
then wait 6 month like zen2
I think you are good with 3700x, it's pretty decent processor right now. Don't need to switch. Better buy new 6000 series GPU.
how much is a “decent amount “ to sell. I’m thinking of doing the same thing but idk
What do you do with all the used processors? I
This is why I respect you the most out of all reviewes, Greg.
You said it, they’re not beating Intel in performance, they’re just catching up
By using a 550 board that amd said isn't exactly ready to use the chips yet, and then gimping the cpu, sure...
You can see every other review shows amd doing way better.
Either there's something wrong with his setup, or all of theirs.
Even if the 550 is holding it back, they are at least on par.
@@flamingseagul9409 There's nothing wrong with B550 chipset and it doesn't have any performance limitations.
Upgrading my 2700x to a 5800x really excited I don’t have to upgrade my cross hair vii motherboard or my noctua nh-d15s air cooler :)
I recommend water cooling
I wanted a 2700x until I seen the 105w tdp.
Was thinking about getting this motherboard but i heard it have issuse with the c'mos battery is it fix are they still having issue with this board and what's a good board with 6 USBs in the rear and a 5 series zen for gaming
Just bought a 5800x for 499 Canadian, super excited for it to arrive. Like 250 cheaper than 5900x. Gonna make a nice upgrade from my aging 7700k to pair with my 3080. My first AMD since Athlon 64 X2, really hoping I'm not gonna be hit by the usb issue and have to force PCIe 3.
Im interested in seeing how the non-x versions of the 5000 CPUs will stack up against intel considering they should be about the same price as intels 10000 series CPUs.
how do you have so few views? this was an amazing review
I appreciate the support, Felix!
@@GregSalazar i appreciate the work you put into the content and quality of your videos sir... it honestly amazing
I preordered a 5800x yesterday from B&H. Hope I get it soon.
Keep posting interesting contents like this!
I've been on a ryzen 5 1600 since launch. I upgrade my mobo to a b550 earlier and just got a Ryzen 7 5800x today looking forward to upgrade in that sweet spot
Its good? No negatives? Iam thinking of getting the 5800x
This was a great real world review. Thanks.
Gonna jump from a 1800x to a 5600. I'm glad I resisted the urge to buy a 3600
You will Love it, went from a 1800x to a 3800x (just cpu drop in) and it was very noticeable difference and didn't have to touch any overclock settings just left it at stock and it normal to boosts to around 4.2ghz
I have my 3800x pre sold just waiting for money off him so I can buy my pc so he can have my "old" 3800x (Asus prime pro x370) system
Reason for not waiting was because the 1800x was just to slow for factorio (as 1800x is comparable to a 4th gen i7 cpu for factorio, ONI and KSP)
Hey Greg, thanks for making this video! In case you want suggestions for another video, could you please test which memories and motherboards would be the best to buy for the 5800x and the 5600x? I got one of each, but I'm kind of puzzled which motherboard and RAMs I should buy. People are telling me that I should go for RAMs that are not faster or slower than 3600-3666Mhz with a CL16 latency.
~ Open your kind of motherboard website
~ Find support
~ Checked memory QVL Vermer (maybe soon)
I'm just wow. Its so weird seeing AMD on the top of gaming benchmarks. Its awesome. If they keep this up whenever I replace my 8700k I could switch platforms.
Actually in purely gaming benchmarks Ryzen is mostly the same as Intel. If you looks closely, all gaming benchmark average might have been in favour of Intel. Granted that you compare same core count chips (5800x vs 10700k).
I was tired of waiting and bought a z490 motherboard online, I was gonna pair it with the 10700k, and rx 6800xt. However, now that these 5000 cpu's are out, and are most likely out of stock, should I keep my i7 10700k along with my motherboard, or return them?
What’s the best motherboard & CPU to go with an RTX Asus TUF 3080?
Would you recommend upgrading the 2700x to the 5800x?
thanks for the coverage Greg! i actually was able to preorder my r9 5900x at like 11pm mts from b&h even though i have a rog Crosshair hero 7 wifi i assumed these would instantly sell out so i jumped on it while i could because my 2700x died on me so im stuck with a athalon 200ge for right now until bios updates roll for x470. My question is do you think the potential 2 month+ delay for x470 board support was really necessary? or do you think it was to give 5000 series buyers on a older am4 platform more of a reason to upgrade boards?
Hey Bryce, the software/BIOS support delay could have been for a number of reasons. Obviously, X570 is gonna be a priority, and it'll trickle down from there. But since they're all motivated to _sell_ motherboards, the delay was also (likely) at least somewhat strategic for X470.
@@GregSalazar thanks for your reply love the videos!
should I upgrade my 3600x to a 5700x ? I am currently thinking about it but dont know if its worth it ?
I'm confused? Why does LTT show 5600X smashing 10900k but yours doesn't? Can someone explain?
should you get a ryzen 7 3700x or a ryzen 5 5800x if you want to stream?
Is a 240 aio good enough for cooling for a 5900x?
What about for streaming?
If you're testing AMD on a B550, shouldn't you use a Z470 for intel tomake that even due to VRMs, thermals, etc? (Either z490 v x570 or B550 v z470?)
completely agree about the gta 5 benchmark...i am glad that somebody did that...Now i know ryzen did came a long way in gaming.
Thanks a lot for the review.
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Great review!
Thanks for watching!
Will a b550 micro atx board work with a ryzen 9 5900x.
I mostly agree with your conclusion! However I do believe a large swath of gamers are already on a Ryzen platform making this upgrade a no brainer. I also believe the 5800X will drop in price, the 5900X as well. The 5600 and 5700 will definitely be the sweet spot and I'm willing to bet that gaming performance will be equal or close to the benchmarks shown today! The 5600 may even perform better with over clocking! Less cores may give it more thermal head room. The reason i believe this is because as we've seen with the 3300X, thermal head room can give a great OC and a great OC on Ryzen can give amazing in game performance! It only has 4 cores 8 threads, but most games don't use much more than 4 threads.
14:53 5900k 🤣 Intel is now amd
I am actually glad you did the testing on the B550 board. It shows what more budget oriented people would purchase. Great video thanks.
You really think most people buying a 5900x are going b550? That's a bit of a stretch imo.
So buy a high end cpu to cheap on on not getting a x570? Makes no sense
Lol I’m putting it on a b550
@@JustAFan444 is the b550 to expensive?
@@JustAFan444b550 is gaming version is more than fine
Linus @Linus Techtips was talking about different youtubers got very different results and maybe the memoryspeed is playing a much bigger role when using the new AMD Cpu:s, which memory frequency did you have @greg?
Nice video, its good that you used an RTX 2080TI, since it will show what a RTX 3070 should deliver with those CPU. But probably the gap between intel and AMD would get bigger with a RTX 3080 / 3090.
Not all Zen 3 cost more than original zen price, for example, Ryzen 7 1800X price was $499, when the Ryzen 7 5800X is $449. Not to mention the performance delta is huge.
I have an asus x570 tuf, 3800x, with 5700 xt. I will try to get a 6800 xt. Should I upgrade the cpu to take advantage of the 6000 series gaming boost??
In my case, I went from 2700x to 5800x not simply for the upgrade but to invest in Smart Access Memory once the 6000 series cards launch. This is going to be a long term build for me and while I’d have to upgrade from a x570 board I think by then the value will be there on a generation per generation level to upgrade much much later in the 5nm line. Potentially towards the end of that gen or beginning of whatever is beyond that.
Hell ya bro just upgraded from a 2600 to a 5800x found one for a steal
The 5800x is the perfect gaming CPU, especially during the time you got it. All 8 cores and only one CCD, unlike my 5900x with 2x CCDs. Not that it matters in benchmarks, but theoretically...
However, the 5900x does run WAYYYY cooler than the 5800x. I average around 4.75ghz in games. I use Curve Optimizer, though. I get 5.55-5.6ghz in CPU-z stress test pulling 142 watts, too, and barely touch 65C. Only if the room is hot. However, I do have one of the better coolers over it... a Fuma 2 Rev B. Better than any $120 AIO water cooler.
Hello Greg do you think for a 5950X on R20 a 10800 score on multi and 576 on Single Core is good im wondering if i lack performance? as im rocking a 5950X on a X570 A PRO MSI motherboard
what about the coolers? same as before? will they be enough?
they dont come with coolers anymore, hence why this markup sucks even more.
nice review, thank you.
Really wish you would of had the 5600X to compare against the 10700K!
dang sad bois, nice tech, but i liked the cheaper ryzen days.i got my 2700x for like 190 bucks, why the heck would i want to pay like triple that for something that wont make a noticable difference in most gaming and applications, seems like this time amd is the new intel. hope my 2700x build holds out for brighter days, id like to be paying around 300 for an 8 core beast 4-5 years from now. heres hopin for ryzen 9800x
5800x with the 3070ti. I needed something beefy because I stream single pc to twitch. This combo has made it easy and kept my fps super stable on the game I play, pubg.
do you think this will make other prices come down? I would like to get a R5 3600 a bit cheaper if possible
Might make older gen chips go down 15-25% but you'll need to wait a month or 2
Maybe a tiny, but not now. They will likely be reduced when non X versions come out.
I am getting only 590 single core points on 5900x. Any clue what might be the issue? I have the newest bios, up-to-date windows and power profile set to performance. Also RAM is 3600Mhz CL16.
Immature BIOS
3dmark has to have a update. How can ryzen 5000 series run worse/on par with ryzen 3000. My 5950x scores lower then my old 3950x in 3d mark cpu scores.
Gigabyte X570 AORUS Elite or
GIGABYTE X570 AORUS Ultra on a Ryzen 7 5800x? any help would be appreciated thanks
Now let's see if I can actually buy those. Currently only listed in a polish store...
14:53 lol I heard 10900K and I was like mind blown what is Greg thingking?
So glad you tested with a 2080 TI (not only of which I have) because most of us still have those, and not so many ppl have the 3000 GPUs, an awesome review!!
Got amazon credit.....waiting for the ryzen 7 or 9 for gaming? For me it's 5800x
I cant find bencharks for 4k gaming :/. Want to know if its worth upgrading if I only play 4k and i currently have a 3800x?
I already addressed this in the video. Most triple-A games in 4K won't require a beefed up CPU. Don't bother upgrading. I also addressed upgrading from the 3800X in particular, if you watched that far into the video.
@@GregSalazarThanks! Sorry for not catching that in the video, was just trying to skim to find 4k info.
Hallo and Merry Christmas
I have a question I can't find any info about online as noone seems to address this...
I know 2x16gb of dual rank gives you 4 ranks
I know 4x16gb of single rank give you 4 ranks
My question is what are the effects when you use 4x16 dual rank sticks? Do you have any gains? Do you actually effect negatively the system? Does the system even use the sticks properly at that point?
I am using Asus strix x570 E & Ryzen 9 5900X
The memory is G.SKILL TRIDENTZ NEO 2X16GB DDR4-3600MHz F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC
I got a 5800x at Microcenter
probably not changing out my 3800x for a while then i'll be good.
Managed to snag a 5600x today. They were actually in stock for more than 10 minutes, which is an eternity compared to the RTX launches...
Why can I find different results than yours on the internet?
Is there a difference between
Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 7 5800X
In games I use games only
No, the gaming actaully prefers the ryzen 7.
i was going to upgrade my 3900x to a 5900x but after watching this im in doubt and thinking i should upgrade my gpu 5700xt to a 3080 or 6800xt instead if you had to guess which upgrade would give me the most FPS increase in 1080p 144hz gaming CPU og gpu?
In 2022 I think this chip rocks, picked mine up for $280 at BestBuy and dropped my thermals 10 deg from a Ryzen 3500. I'm getting high frams at high settings on every game I play so far. I do have great airflow and a 240mm AIO but same set up the 3500 was in. picking up the 5900X today for my other rig. I will be skipping the 5th Gen for a good while, prob till price drops on them as well
I been thinking about upgrading my Ryzen 7 3800X to a Ryzen 9 5900X on my X570 Aorus Master.....any thoughts or comments would be appreciated @Greg Salazar
I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5900x for $350. Figured to get the best of this generation and then sit back for the next 2 to 3 years untill all the new chips are settled and better benchmarks and analysis are done. Plus i believe you would need a new MB for the new CPUs? I think...
@@mv2873 YEP! Decided to go ahead and pull the trigger, with the same thinking. Not quite ready to shell out for the new Z690 boards yet.
Did you try 8gb 3200mhz x4 config or 16gb single rank x2 memory config steve from GN and and Wendell from Level1techs found that it makes a difference
I'm in best buy looking at the 5900x for 350$ is that good or should I look elsewhere
I have a 3900x atm but I'm upgrading to a 5800x to pair with a new AMD GPU for the extra performance boost it gets... I can't wait!
Did you get the 5800x? What cooler did you get? Is it really hot or does your cooler do soem good job? Im trying to get one and see how it goes.
@@elkmeatenjoyer3409 I did and i also got the ARCTIC COOLING Liquid Freezer II - 280mm and haven't had any issues with it!
Did Amd tell you to use the 2080ti ? Just curious because I watched joker productions and he also used a 2080ti even though he owns a 3080 or 3090 can't remember which .
No. They didn’t tell us to do anything.
Managed to secure a 5900x, I defintely need the upgrade. Currently on a Intel i7 920 (10 year old CPU) lol
Ha I also have an i7-920. It’s still decent so I’m debating to upgrade or not
@@twiincentral8780 it will be a massive difference
@@twiincentral8780 Go for it. The difference will be astronomical.
@@twiincentral8780 It'll be a big difference but there will be many Sku's of the Zen 3 coming out soon. If it's a little out of your budget wait for the non 'x' variants to come out
@Dan The Man I know what you mean but I want cyberpunk and my CPU just won't cut it. Unfortunately I don't want to wait for Zen 4 and whilst I could get a budget build using Zen 2 I feel the strides in performance this year is good enough to upgrade as ever. Of course upgrading from Zen 2 to Zen 3 is a no no. On a seperate note, the Zen 4 will be a new process and may come with kinks which Zen 5 or 4+ will iron out so I think going big on the end of a generation isn't a bad shout.
nice review,