Nondual Debate : Tim Freke & Richard Sylvester
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Thank you, thank you Tim! At last someone has cut through the exasperating denial of an individual that many non dual speakers purpose.The individual is the beauty of life as it expresses itself in unique forms. It's not to be denied but to be embraced. Each individual form is exquisitely real and deeply connected to the infinite. The flow of consciousness through individual forms is life unfolding as itself....brilliantly real and alive and loving it's expressions.
I am appalled at the depth of deception I allowed myself to embrace by the absurdity of Nonduality as espoused by many teachers. It just makes no sense. To hear it here was shocking. I have obviously taken a different view.
same
I agree we all bought into it, I was always more interested than convinced though, suffering always is my final guide. I can definitely see where both parties are coming from though
Amazing how Tim can be so compassionate in the face of such nonsense
I found it fascinating to watch. I had been seeing things from richards perspective for quite a while ...however..... I attended tims retreat back in april and the experience was mind blowing. Its the most alive ive ever felt and the EXPERIENCE was one of love and connection with humans and I was there as a HUMAN. not merely as an observer of the experience as some non-dual teachers would promote. I love the way tim manages to acknowledge the states in which we can get into whilst meditating etc.. whilst also saying that there is an experiencer of the states rather than the no-self.
Really appreciate you all for filming it.
**would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the cafe in glastonbury when you spoke. 💙💙
39:37 Tim is absolutely right here. This is the crux of it all. If Richard was really open to what Tim brings up here and could honestly reflect on it, he would be in for a massive shock..
I recall Tim and Richard sparring several years ago and it seems that Richard is still indulging in non-dual riddle-talk. He is still saying the same thing he always says: nothing of any interest at all. Tim has changed. He is just as light-hearted and entertaining but his understanding has changed. I have had many conversations with others with similar views to Richard. I don't bother any more. Richard is welcome to his doctrine of despair. I predict that despair is doomed to fail.
I agree in what you are saying in in what Tim Freke is saying in that we ought to be open to diferent interpretations because as long as we talk of these non-dual states there will be interpretations of some sort. I agree a million percent, however I do not see how Richard asserting an absence of moral responsibility because of no doer leads to despair, now I can already see what your think WHAT!!!!!! are you crazy but hear me out, Now I will clarify I belive in the self and I see what Freke means when he says that these states are ideational, because I can recognize my evaluations of my experience taking place in these moments so yes I understand. Hypothetically if there was no Doer then there is no moral responsobility what Richard means by this I could be wrong is that YOU are either ALREADY GOOD or YOU are NOT, and I dont mean in the sense of you can only be one or the other I mean literally that if you have an inclination twords certain behaviors that those behaviors will take place its that simple. Kindness if you are a kind person than all this stuff on well you ought to be accountable for this and responsible for that is overdone, why? because if you are pro-social then wether you experince non doer with or without a lecture on moral responsibility will not change WHO YOU ARE. That is why Richard was tired of this type of focus on morality, people who have antisocial traits and tendencies will engage in those acts, and if they have a mixture of pro-social and anti-social then it will be both, simply if a person doesn a thing then asking that person to do otherwise is pointless, at least in the expectation that that person must change what they WANT to do. You can choose to act on what you want but, not doing someothing is harder than doing something, I mean by this that, behaviors or actions are like cars on the road, the will naturally move forwards when there is a slope and some people need to use the brakes while others do not. If you are Pro-social then you hardly have to use your behavioral brakes, if lets you took pleasure in harming or torturing animals it would be very difficult to stop that, but it would be NECESSARY to, I think simply that people do what they do and that some get unlucky with desires that conflict with the well being of others and to compel someone that they ought to do differently when most people in society are so good natured that there kindness does not come from a deliberate response. I am not responsible for my empathy perspective taking simply happens even tho it feels like I am the one doing it. I think that people who commit crime dpending on how bad should be in jail with massive restrictions on their interaction with the outside world if any in order to make sure that they will never harm anyone, but to demand that such a person OUGHT to change via some mystical force that allows them to choose otherwise is difficult for me to wrap my head around as if that were a reasonable demmand then these murderes would simply desire to desire otherwise but we cannot choose the things we want, we simple want what we want and if you act on those wants then it was because you didnt have the neurological brakes to inhibit those actions. Richard was arguing against Moral Responsibility and by extension Condemnation, NOT a dismissal of the necessity to keep people in society safe from those who commit violent crimes that is what he was saying I believe. Now what are my believes tbh I dont know I have flipped flopped so many times to either side of the spectrum that Im simply tired of even holding a position on if there is a doer or not a self or no self, agency or no agency I simply dont know and I have felt in times that I have had free will and at times have felt plain as day its absence and for it to have never been there in the first place. Currently my experience is compiled of both of these extremes so I cannot say either way I genuinely do not know, What I am confident in asserting however is that there must be some kind of mechanisms responsible for this feeling of interdependently making decision, and that there are mechanism that allow for sound decision making and that to an extent the feeling of autonomy and having any are two different yet not distinct. Those who dissociate make choices and engage in complex behaviour despite feeling a loss of agency, while those who feel in control like me before I had quit nicotine when I kept telling myself that I can quit because I feel like I am the one who is making the choice to vape and desiring to quit yet not having the capacity to make other choices. So... who knows, is materialism true probably not but physical ism probably but that is just materialism dressed up in salad dressings so all the analytic idealists dont shout YOUR DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF the SELF and they would be right however there is the experience of a self and the experience of its dissolution, so extruding claims from your experience when its obviously subject hehehe, to change will not be an acculturate way of deriving TRUTH whatever that is. Point is NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS that doesnt mean some people cant be closer or further away that doesnt mean that these things are explainable, I fundamentally disagree that something like awakening is entirely unable to be described hell we dont know what the fuck chocolate is in its entirety we might have a nobel loreiate explain some quantum event or property of a fucking molecule that makes up chocolate that explains aspects of consciousnesses that we didnt understand before. Point is I don't believe that something can be entirely known or unknown. WoW woops sorry for the Torturous wall of text thats hopefully comes across as legible probably not but I will be expecting comments about grammar when I am a slow typer who never learned how to type properly so I pek type like a bird with two fingers if I used propper grammar then this would have taken me a couple hours and I hate writing so this is the maximum effort I will put in to this comment, this is why I sucked at school.
@@nicbarth3838 Thanks. This is the reason I no longer indulge in these conversations.
@@patrickquinlan3056 yea I entered a new phase where I just try to bask in the curiosity that comes from epistemic uncertainty it can be difficult sometimes with the temptation to create an explanation but if you can be there not all the time but more often then knowledge becomes a pursuit instead of a pacifier, and positions can be held without having your identity bought into it. These are generally the hardest things to do for most people who don't live absolute lives of general misery. How did you move into this place and has there been any change in identity?
@@nicbarth3838 I repeat. This is the reason I no longer indulge in these conversations.
@@patrickquinlan3056 oh you mean not at all fair enough,althought the periode mark after the I repeat makes it sound like your either anoyed or just placing emphasis
The problem as I see it is that neo-advaita teachers mix up the idea of a separate self, with the sense of being an isolated self. It's the dysfunctional sense of isolation that is problematic, not being an individual.
Beautifully put David
What is an individual?
I’ll try not to comment overly much, as I’m only 16 minutes in.
Tim, you’re my new hero! I haven’t until now run across someone willing and able to argue against the nonsense of non-duality.
I quite enjoyed Richard’s opening comment that 1) didn’t answer the question posed and 2) had a subtle ad hominem directed at Tim, suggesting he is merely playing with language and philosophizing.
And I agree: a lack of self-reflexive inquiry occurs frequently with so many, leading to many chasing the tail moments.
Oh wow! There is so much here of what Richard is saying to dissect. Richard can not even explain his own claims of the "no self" etc, its just the same oneliners thrown out by all these people. There is no person/self, then says "the disappearance of the person" Full of contradictions. I am glad I got out of this mindfucking nonsense. Talking down on people "stuck in their minds" while all his ideas are taking place in the mind too (which he is not even aware of). Please continue to "discuss" with these delusional people, it is very much needed.
@36 minutes Tim talks about the reification of consciousness.
Huzzah! Someone else gets it! We must move away from the metaphor wherein consciousness is a container in which things arise and instead see it as the process we are always existing in.
Consciousness seems like a point of reference, "I" define an experience of it in relation to "my" specific point of reference, (how much I build on that idea, or deconstruct that idea is up to how conscious I become) Tim is saying he acknowledges his point of reference, and Richard is saying it doesn't exist. Although Richard explaining his point of reference doesn't exist, is still a point of reference. Even if we're awareness that has become aware of itself, we are still seeing this experience from an individual viewpoint/point of reference. Sorry "Richard", but my point of reference agrees with "Tim" on this one.
WOW! THAT WAS SO ARTICULATE!!!!!! I haven't heard someone word it this way but this is how I understand it too, man if you ever wrote philosophy then you would be a godam godsend because when I read philosophy books Nietcha Hegal I feel like I am having an aneurysm because because by the time I feel like I have understood aspects of what was said that I would become even more frustrated at the elegance of what was said in a way that betrays the simplicity, the words obscure the actual message, but some philosophy words are needed to convey concepts you otherwise couldn't, but I think often times its overused. This is also a problem of not philosophy bu the times that these pices were written people were way more formalistic.
@@nicbarth3838 Thanks Nic, I hear you. educating ourselves on the greats before us is important, but any real progress I've ever made was from my own contemplation and direct experience. It's a much clearer language to understand. ;-)
@@tvendor that makes sense, because putting it in your own words is easier to understand than what someone else means by it
I don't see why Tim's experience of big love wouldn't be another example of just the attention being absorbed by an aspect of mind, just like he said happened to Richard when his person disappears. If you put your entire attention on one thing, everything else disappears. So we haven't evolved a universe of love, it's just that some have put their attention on their little bit of it fully.
Haha The fact that Richard cannot adequately describe Nonduality is evidence of why Tim needed to shift his framework to something that is practical for all.
This lack of connection reminds me of when you, Tim, repeatedly and earnestly tried to get Ken Wilbur to discuss how his theories affected him personally. Answer? Crickets. Why? No one’s home, evidently.☺️
Richard didn't care too much about words and how to express them, but yet asking how people said the phrase or how they worded the question is concerned.
So, I'm learning philosophers are better at explain life than a non-dualist 😂🔥🙏🏼❤️.
Thank you Tim 🙏🏼❤️🔥
@52 min Richard looks at himself and says “this lives its life.” He’s referring to himself as an object.
For the earnest seekers out there, read some Iain McGilchrist. He’ll beautifully explain how treating oneself as an object occurs with right brain hemisphere issues.
Literally, schizophrenics often speak of themselves in this detached way.
Another great comment - thank you
Two men ARGUING 😂 about their understanding of what spirituality is 😂😂 😂😂😂😂
Fake Virus? Is that you and your raison d'etre, or a reference to Covid-19 conspiracy theory?
Similarly curious about 'Sophia'.
Interested in your next move.
@@Buzz-ic5bm Its an old family name. I dropped the hyphen, I didn't want to come across as pretentious.
Sophia means wise woman on a sofa.
What about these two old bloke's arguing about which one is the most enlightened. It's hilarious. You couldn't make it up.
I love the fact that I’m completely informed by the crucifixion of Jesus and Tim isn’t, yet I resonate with his communication more than any Bible worshipper.
That's a very intriguing comment my friend.
@@TimFreke1 It’s been my experience for 25 years since I left the fundamentalist church. Since then I’ve been teaching on the priority of serving the Other based on the obvious error of living in a self imposed insular community. So, I’m in love with my eternal Bridegroom, the intimacy from which yields our children: Love, Joy, Peace, Courage, Faith, Creativity, Adventurousness, Childlikeness etc. In this way I feel completely in sync with God as I honor atheists for example who are often more useful in society than a self righteous Christian. I’m delighted to communicate with you because as a gay teacher of 64 years of age, who drives 100 miles a day to love suicidal LGBTQ students into improved health, in a car that desperately needs to be replaced (414K miles) and almost no means to do it, I’m happier than ever bc of the resonance I share with you, and my understanding of ultimate being in Jesus, who only aligns with 20% of the Bible from my vantage. Thank you so much for your kind communication, a rare and beautifully executed example of integrity on this side of eternity. Daily 10m spontaneous teachings @BrideofChrist, and random improvisations on keyboard to give people evidence that we can create safe spaces to risk learning and grow when judgment to perform perfectly is suspended. XO
I'm nondual and it works for me. Its amazing. I don't understand why we take a position on these matters. It may be driven by ego and control? If your happy why bother with picking fights ? Just go and do what you do. Wars start over differences which we create. I think just stop move on and leave the combatants carry on. Their mission arguing over stuff is mind blowing. Tim needs to move on and be happy
As you will have heard at the beginning of this video, Gary, I was invited to take part in this debate I didn’t initiate it or seek it. I’m glad you have found an approach to this mystery of life that works for you. Although I am confused as to what this “me” you mention refers to, as presumably you don’t think there is one?
@@TimFreke1 you are simply highlighting the limits of the English language.
@@qMartink Resorting to making it about language is a tactic to avoid reflection. There are real and important things to explore in this debate if you are open to listening to the ideas carefully.
I would presume Tim is very happy, doesn’t stop him being curious!
I’d go to the pub with Richard……not with the other guy. Richard and I could have a debate. The other bloke would sermonise the experience…..and probably guilt trip me….
Richard is disassociating.
Aspect of Nonduality that makes sense: Life is found by individuals as they dance the fluid line that joins Yin and Yang. What doesn’t make sense: The past is a deterrent to Presence.
I find imposing one's ideas of morality on someone else highly immoral....
But which one is doing the imposition….?
Tim says that we go into deep dreamless sleep where all is one and nothing, and we awaken into personhood therefore the person is real. What if someone wakes us up, or knocks us out, without us wsnting it? Surely thats a good analogy for awakening being subject to impersonal forces beyond the individual's control, not down ro any single person?
I can relate to what Richard said about his experience. I had an experience 15 years ago where i couldnt locate myself anywhere, there was an experience of total oneness. I guess it could be called non local experience. But, a big but.. i havent talked about it to anybody, because there is no point. Nobody can crasp that experience by me talking about it. It happened by a fluke and i was not orchesrating it. It was not some permanent shift in life or personality. I think that what neo advaita teachers do, they have an experience and claim (secretly or openly) enlightenment and end up misleading people.
As a homeopath of decades experience I am moved to comment here as Tim spoke at 1:24:00 of Hydrogen and Helium being the original oneness. In my practice these are two homeopathic medicines that I use on occasion (including many others) to help those who have problems with incarnation in a body, including those with non-duality backgrounds. The theme of hydrogen is: to be here or not to be here, to participate in this worldly existence or not. Helium is part of the Hydrogen series in the periodic table and so includes the hydrogen theme, but also of being unborn, and the withdrawal of the individual. When someone comes to me with a background of non-duality and subsequent distress these medicines can be an appropriate prescription to assist with their journey on earth.
Interesting Daniel.
@@TimFreke1 throughout the periodic table, we can observe a perfect correspondence to the individuation process of being human, from Row 1 of the periodic table that contains Hydrogen and Helium, as already mentioned, all the way down to those in the realm of the Lanthanides and Actinides. These individuals possessing the deepest desire to know themselves and a drive to discover their inner world and the nature of being human.
The columns of the periodic table can be seen as continuing phases of human development. The rows can be seen as different levels or areas with a definite theme on which the development occurs. The spiral of the periodic table as a whole represents ever-expanding circles of consciousness, awareness, and perspective.
From my own personal and professional perspective, it is imperative to understand early trauma (including prenatal) to gain a framework to understand what can be a very real dissolution of the sense of a separate self and the desire in so many to return to this state.
Tim is very patronizing here.And quite rude.
Absolutely…..really antagonistic and patronising…
Patronizing to who?? 😂😂
I would love to see you and Pannobhasa aka David Reynolds together in a debate!
Richard says if the person is there then unconditional love is absent. That would be a condition, therefore it's not really unconditional love.
Funny how both videos are on Tim’s and Richard’s channels, and the comments always say how the other speaker is deluded. Myself, I like Tim’s honest approach to the nondualism, though also like Richard’s sense of freedom from doctrine.
I know. That is funny. 😁
Had to go check those comments and yeah - partisan crowd 😀. Also, I'd wager, mostly middle aged men.🤔 As the male primates are arguing then one wonders if it's, really, all about the share out of bananas.
So Richard the person disappeared, but Tim says it didnt disappear its just that Richard stopped paying attention to it. But we know from brain scans that the bits of brain associated with the person can in fact disappear, shut down, become inactive or even be excised. What if the post awakening brain is different, and the person isnt being constructed any more?
In the field of academic philosophy in the 1970s Steven Katz wrote about precisely this conflict. He said that in Jewish kaballah there is a tradition of devekut, which is turning away from the deeper realms of non duality to engage with culture and the world, cleaving to god rather rhan being lost in god.
I like that
@@TimFreke1 you can find his papers online. As I remember the disagreement was with Stace about perenniallism.
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You can definitely see that Tym doesn't want to listen, he just wants to smuggle his vision. He is insecure in Richard's presence.
Tim comes across as a bully boy, interrupting all the time, pushing his own interpretations, just not being kind or respectful….
Being nice is not a virtue. Being honest or truthful is.
@1.15 Richard is expressing nihilism.
His entire program is one of spiritual bypass.
This conversation desperately needed a conversation about pain and its differentiation from suffering.
I don't think Tim understands the paradoxical nature of nonduality in the realm of words. Yes, when you start talking about nonduality - you are essentially playing a categorization game... but... in this one case it is a stupid game from start to finish and honest nondual language says it - all words are lies. ..how will we talk about it?
That’s funny - take a look at a few of my books such as the mystery experience which is all about that Paradox.
But retreating into this idea is all too often simply a failure to be reflective and question
it is the same technique used in a different way by fundamentalists of all religions.
Before you decide that I don’t understand Nonduality I urge you to put aside some serious time to question your own ideas deeply and be open to the possibility that actually I do understand non duality extremely well and rejected it for good reasons.
or you may conclude that I’m completely wrong, but at least you will have gone through the process of reflection
@@TimFreke1 In a conversation with Richard you said that since what Richard is talking about is distinguished from everything else on the principle "it's not this, it's not that" it means that it must be categorized in a different way otherwise he wouldn't be able to distinguish it and that is a paradox that you don't seem to notice, because... just because it's not this or that doesn't automatically mean it's something opposite. Not in that case. Being able to categorize nonduality would mean a recipe/formula for getting from point A to point B, and that's not what Richard is talking about. It is impossible to talk about non-duality in any other way than apparent categorization. Another issue. I've been reading the comments on this conversation, both on your channel and on Richard's channel, and it's interesting how people in the comments on your channel separate themselves from those on the Richard's. I get the impression that in your comment section the place has a greater separative momentum . And so, people who supposedly talk about the idea of unconditional love give proof of their own ignorance about it on a silver platter.
You need to do this same similar talk with Jim Newman, Tony Parsons, Kenneth Madden or Paul Hedderman. You are not speaking about the same thing.
I've watched those guys. There is a cruelty to their teachings. Even though they say, "there isn't anyone here who has got anything" (despite often having done spiritual seeking for years before the "seeing"), yet they are seated in front of an audience as an authority figure. They attract a following, often of emotionally hurting or spiritually needy people who look to them for some kind of release or help, only to be told "there is nothing you can do" and "there is no meaning in anything". They say that "words cannot describe this", and yet proceed to tell people what is "real" and "unreal", or that what is happening is only "apparent".
@@DIBBY40I hear you. It goes beyond understanding though. It’s a recognition…. I apparently in the story of Angel had this seeing at age 6-7 years of age. However, I’ve never been on a spiritual path, meditated, never heard of non-duality until two years ago. There is a very strong resonance with the message however, I do understand what you’re speaking on, and will agree with you on some of it Paul Hedderman, however, isn’t cruel and the way he tries to express this is a very genuine, honest, caring way by coming to see what you are from what you’re not.
@@angelmoon8114 Bless you Angelmoon. I noticed you using the word "apparently" and the "story of Angel". Be careful what you imbibe from these teachers. I notice how neo-advaita followers often start using the same phrases as the teachers they follow. And I would be careful of anyone telling you "you are not a person" or that the body is a mere spectacle to be witnessed. Sorry for, perhaps, the unwelcome advice, but becoming depersonalised can be an issue within neo advaita and it isn't a healthy state.
@@angelmoon8114 , yes!! Paul is the antithesis of cruel, authoritarian, etc, etc.
@@DIBBY40 ❤️
It might clarify things to address tthe issue of experience without thought over mundane things like drinking tea before going on to non duality. Im pretty sure thoughtless sensory experience, free of ideation, is possible, though mental activity can be very subtle.
What you believe is nonduality is not the meaning of nonduality
Tim says people don't notice nonduality is ideational because they're not reflective enough. But reflecting is ideating, so what he's saying is that people who aren't thinking dont notice that they are thinking, unless rhey start to think. Its like saying people who arent singing don't notice the song filling the room. Well, no, they wouldn't.
Or even, what if Tim, after a typical British Christian upbringing, has unconscious ideation that makes him reproduce Judeo-Christian eschatology and morality, and leads him to think we're on an evolving track to global spiritual perfection? Rather than Richard's non involvement with the vagaries of samsara? What if, in Tim's unconscious, there is the memory of all the times he was made to say the lord's prayer at school, and unconsciously wants to bring about the "Thy Kingdom come" bit?
@@user-cn2ex5vm1lmaybe, I don’t know about Richard but I presume he also has conditioning. Isn’t Tim pointing more to dealing with the conditioning than just “popping” and presuming you’re done. For me the final say is always am I suffering, it’s that simple really
that guy takes 15 minutes to say fuck all
I’m disappointed that there wasn’t a specific discussion of the experience of the collapse of the subject-object dichotomy. It also would have been interesting to hear a debate about how choices are made because I think you both have different perspectives on that. Is there a possibility of a second round?
I agree that would have been much better. Not sure richard is up for that. But I would have that discussion with any other nondual teacher.
@@TimFreke1 Thanks for the reply! I’m new to your work. I see there are many recordings of conversations on your channel. I’m looking forward to watching other discussions you’ve had, especially with Joan Tollifson and Rupert Spira. I think it would be very interesting if you also have a chance to record a chat with Angelo Dilullo.
@@TimFreke1- try Angelo dilullo - simply always awake
😂ha ha ha, "repeating I am not a person, and suddenly I wasn't"
- cringe!
This word ideation, why doesnt it just mean conscious thinking, why are we postulating an unconscious secret thinker hidden away under the bonnet? We say machines think when they make unconscious calculations. Maybe a toaster is thinking when it unconsciously decides the toast is done, that the toaster is ideating? It seems safe to say that the body runs a myriad of unconscious processes. Digestion, bone growth, etc. But are we to think these unconscious peocesses include Indian philosophy, working away insode us, below our awareness, producing advaita like kidneys produce urine?
I think we should edge away from discussing 'Truth' and instead let people explore their own paths and whatever perspectives therein lie. It could be that the no-self perspective is useful for some people along their path, or the all-is-self perspective is useful for others and a hybrid of both is useful for others and so on. If we remove the concept of truth and respect each other's paths, it would be refreshing. I also think gurus should just say 'Hey, this perspective is working well for my particular psyche. It might work for you' and refrain from making truth claims and leading people down supposed 'inquiries' (utterly mediated by them).
I understand why this accepting attitude is attractive And I certainly understand that different psyche may need different things at different times. And I resonate completely with your comments about gurus.
but this relativist approach to truth would not have led to all the discoveries that allow the Internet and you being able to make this comment. And by your own definition, it cannot be said that your comment is true or false. So what sounds at first like a liberal attitude turns out to be the death of deep questioning to enable better understanding
@@TimFreke1 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply>
I think there might be a a false equivocation to compare scientific discoveries that allow the internet with people's spiritual preferences (which I am supporting here). If the end goal is the creation of the internet the discoveries along the way become self-evidently true and useful. However, with spiritual matters I would posit that it's the all powerful this-just-feels-right factor that people are after, not the 'absolute truth' which remains doggedly unprovable. And, Yes, before anyone mentions it, my entire comment is not necessarily the truth, but it does contain a fair scoop of the this-just-feels-right factor to me as I'm sure any replies will to whoever makes them. That's why the liberal approach seems useful.
@@hengrave5 I agree with your sentiment, my friend, but suggest we need to apply the criteria of truth or trustworthiness to all our enquiries about the nature of reality if we want to go beyond merely what feels good Which supports all sorts of fundamentalism et cetera.
That's very convenient lol
What are you trying to prove here, Tim?
And how do you “absolutely know” the experience he is talking about? 35:37
@@nomadicchef5337 I was invited into the conversation to share why I thought this common approach to Nonduality was mistaken. I’m assuming that I know the experience Richard is talking about because I of my considerable period exploring non-spiritual experience experience. so much the same way that if you talk to me about the taste of chocolate the fact that I’d also tasted chocolate would make me assume that our experiences were at least very similar. in both cases I need to be ready to see that I am mistaken but I have nothing to make me think that so far.
Thanks for responding. I have nothing to add because I do not believe I know the “taste of chocolate”, so to speak.
The interpretation that this Oldman give to nonduality is his own subjetive ignorant poor interpretation
This all feels like a sick joke. Real or unreal it is pointless.
The joke was on me for 50 years plus as I tried desperately to not be me and I kept showing up and ruing it.🤪
@@josephgagliano6145 it really sucks doesn't it? Paul Haddenham today.
Only pointless to a self a to a me. Just be without a self without a me and you will not worry about points!
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