The Lies That Serve Us: Christians and Critical Race Theory
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- In this short talk, Justin Giboney-co-founder and president of the AND Campaign-addresses the self-serving lies conservative and progressives tell themselves about issues like justice, identity politics, and critical race theory. Many of us would prefer to be lied to rather than confronted with a truth that complicates our preferred narrative. Yet if we are going to address the race issue faithfully, Giboney argues, "we must not only confront the lies that offend us, but also the lies that serve us."
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10:29 “To center Critical Race Theory in a conversation about race when black Christians have been fighting and weighing in on the subject for hundreds of years before Critical Race Theory was even a thing is wickedly insincere”….Powerful!
Or was it a corrective to the lack of historical research that Eric Mason, amd Jemar Tisby that were unable to document the greater efforts of Abolitionists like Jonathan Blanchard who created a college that moved quickly ti educate freed slaves and Black people whom othe colleges like Harvard University refused to admit. Amd even once they were admitted made their academic experience odious. No romanticized here Wheaton College got it right.
I shouted on that one he was right on the money
This was two years ago? Forgive me. I just saw it. But, I've always known it. Of all my research, to hear this man, he speaks the truth the same way The Lord would. He is a real Christian. Bless You. And Thank You.
As a white male in a midwestern Assembly of god church I sure Wish that this could be heard in our congregation because it is so true however I think people in our church would think that with the speaker is saying is untrue
But this speaker is exactly right on the money and I think him for that
Praise God.
Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts, I appreciate it very much! Thank you.
I really appreciated this food for thought. Lying is a sin, and we need to be willing to face that in all its guises. There are many things we can agree on here. Very much appreciate the affirmation of the sanctity of life both pre-born and born.
Yes, lying is a sin, yet lying is the basis for ALL religions and their related imaginary gods.
Truth: There is no such thing as an 'unborn child'. According to the bible of the Jews, that
most vile of books, life begins 30 days AFTER the fetus is exp3elled from the woman's body.
WTF is 'pre-born? Do you have ANY clue as to what you're attempting to say?
Justin Giboney continues to be one of the most balanced and important voices in the American church. The Gospel Coalition would be wise to have him back regularly.
I am not the sharpest but let me chime in with what I got from this. I believe that he is simply asking people to think critically about today’s issues. Use the Bible as a way to validate or invalidate things like CRT. Simply put some of these theories have truth in them and lies in them. The lazy take is to toss everything out or to receive everything without analyzing to see if it is Biblically true.
It’s not that deep...Grace
Unfortunately the lazy route is also the easy one, which is why so many take it.
Should we also evaluate Mormonism and Buddhism in light of Scripture and keep the true parts while we toss out the false? The problem is that, like other religions and ideologies, CRT is a worldview that coheres around a set of propositions that can't be examined independently for their truth value. Without the foundational theory the propositions don't make sense. This type of selective knowledge inexorably leads to some form of synchrotism. The historic church has never been fond of this practice. I think we would we wise to follow her wisdom.
@@jeffmarkus I try to see everything from a Biblical perspective. Naturally seeing things from a Biblical perspective does not make me popular among any group. As a Christian I believe Jesus provides the only solution to our issues. I believe the real issue is found in the fact that people do not love their neighbors enough to care about the problems they try hard not to see. I could care less about CRT but what I can’t do is go against the command Jesus gave..love your brother... This is not a intellectual conversation, this is a conversation about love in action. I don’t know about you but I need God’s help to love people correctly because my version of love is self centered at best.
This is my last post, have a good one.
Walk is love...
@@jeffmarkus that's a bad faith argument / false equivalence. crt is an academic, secular theory; buddhism / mormonism are religious belief systems that have implications for your eternal soul. very different. a better comparison would be like psychology. should we use theories and methods of psychology or any social science, to the extent that they are in alignment of the Word? i don't see why not. churches uses all kinds of organizational theory that are not in scripture to organize ppl and lead ministries.
whew this is a word. thank you.
I wish that people could begin to see the fact that racism is NOT a philosophical or political choice; it is a choice between good and evil. If you choose to be racist, leaning any which way, then you have chosen the side of evil and darkness. I'm not making this up; these are God's rules.
I agree that racism is a moral issue, not a philosophical one. However, CRT largely redefines racism by eliminating the conscious, intentional responsibility that the individual bears for the hateful act of descrimination on the basis of skin color. That revised definition is not the sin of racism as it's understood biblically.
So then America was founded on Evil! Right?
@@Bezzy911 , uhhh... no.
@@skipfires Please explain why he/she is wrong.
@@jamalamirihamed442 I was replying to JB11's comment - "So then America was founded on Evil! Right?" Thusly, indicating that I don't believe that America was founded on evil.
Excellent! Thank you!
THANK YOU for being a Black American Christian willing to speak the truth, without simply saying words that make some people feel comfortable. I appreciate your not allowing the fearful ones to bastardize the Bible like the KKK-who also called themselves Christans - did. Also, thank you for giving the fearful ones some things to research and masterfully demonstrating the clear Biblical context for your teaching. You are brave and a powerful and necessary voice on this and other issues.
Good reminder. Some additional context in the about section from whoever clipped this would be good.
While I don’t think children should be accountable for the sins of their fathers, Christians should seek to lift up those oppressed and call for the changes in governance that unfairly impact people.
That's why I oppose minimum wage laws and the welfare state.
@@Charles.Wright ha ha. Good one!
Guess you overlooked Genesis when Caanan paid for Ham's sin. It is not what we think, but what God requires for unrepentant sin. Everyday across this world children are paying for the sins of their parents.
@@thelastshallbefirst6531 check Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 18
Exodus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy all clearly state that because of God's nature, He "will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and upon the children's children unto the third and the fourth generation." KJV If you don't think your parents' sins are also weighing into your own condemnation, then you are clearly rejecting the Bible's teachings. This theme is repeated in scripture at least a dozen times nearly verbatim.
It is very refreshing to see someone who is trying to be balanced on this issue and avoid extremes.
Max Aplin, too much extremism where if someone goes against your narrative it is common practice for it to get ugly. I have listened to hours of Dr. Tim Keller and he is being painted as a cultural “marxist” for advocating social justice but along Biblical lines. Trying to help those in need is now leading to communism. Have never heard anything aberrant out of Dr. Kellers’ teaching. He preached on the levitical code regarding the rules Israel lived under. No freebies for the poor. Farmers were commanded to leave a portion of the field to be harvested by poor people. They had to work the field to tend to their needs. Shalom…
Except Keller's view on social justice don't fall along biblical lines. He has been a great teacher on all other things except culture, race, and justice.
@@sparkysparkyB00M, example? I see a lot of Pastors who don’t teach the truth of the early church and seem to be espousing support for the perverted capitalism in the USA right now. We give all the tax breaks to the wealthy and welfare for the corporations.
@@michaelbrickley2443 Tim Keller never attack any one personally, those false accusing others and calling them names are no different from Pharasees of Jesus' times!
@@michaelbrickley2443 Yes, the Bible - both Old And New Testaments - is full of instructions to help the poor. And yet we want to do this in a way that doesn't make people lazy.
As I see it, a problem often found in right-wing politics is lack of compassion for those in need. And a problem in left-wing politics is lack of acknowledgment of personal responsibility. As Christians, we need to fight hard to get the right balance between these things and to adjust our views if we think they could be improved.
Voddie Baucham said all that needs to be said in Fault Lines.
He sounds like he was taking shots at Voddie's message at the end there. I was surprised for the first 2/3 because I saw he's with the '& campaign', then the last third came in about social justice...he doesn't get it. He's trying to defend his worldview and what he thinks social justice means....kinda what I expected TBH, it's still disappointing.
100% his approach is more thoughtful than Voddie. I love Voddie and would agree in principle with what he says mostly but I feel like Voddie is leaning a little bit more towards believing the lie that even if you want to learn more or see the good parts in what the "other side, CRT" is saying, you are a fool or perhaps not in Christ? I don't believe that is the best approach nor helpful. You are just creating thicker walls in the name of..... well the gospel is made to offend people. Yes the core message but not using it as a dotted line weapon.
@@jeffrohm776 More thoughtful? What makes you think Voddie's position is any less thought out than Justin's? Oh you mean "appears to be nicer" or "he displays more compassion" or "is more christian-y". What does the Bible say about showing favoritism to the poor at the expense of the rich? What does God say about using his name to advance other issues? I think he speaks pretty clearly to both of these. "But that doesn't appear christian-y."
Then "christian-y" is the problem here.
Leviticus 23
2You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after many to pervert justice. 3You shall not show partiality to a poor man in his dispute.
@@wishweknew2800 I think we are a bit sensitive here. I'm a fully inspired, literalist when it comes to Scripture but I think we get all tend to get excited when someone gives a strong word without apology in this day and age. Voddie is one that has a gift for that. I love it too because we need to be preaching the whole counsel of God. However, since this is a social issue, not clearly only a closed-hand doctrine of the faith, I don't know if this is part of the "tickling of the ears", the Bible is clear and CRT is clear and they are in conflict no doubt. I'm just giving Justin the benefit of the doubt that we need to be cautious and alert in these things. God's justice does include social elements to it as the gospel is related to the individual and to groups (the church) but we all tend to try and make things cut and dry relating Orthdoxy (which is black & white) to Orthapraxy (which may differ without being in error). I would spend my time going after those who clearly are using CRT as their religion. That's all I'm saying.
@@jeffrohm776 well... That's not exactly all you're saying. You say, as well, that you're giving Just the benefit of the doubt. This while Justin is not actually leaving in room in his exhortation for any doubt of his intent. Division is division... and Justin here is attempting to seem sensitive, while acutally, and fully supporting division. Pity.
Thank you TGC for your honesty 🙏🏾
That's exactly why I keep coming back to The Gospel Coalition !
Powerful, succinct, and incisive. I'll be sharing this with my small group and friends.
Awesome very detailed
Is this from a sermon?
While Justin Giboney may speak eloquently, he is actually doing the very thing he is speaking about; he is actually promoting subtle lies that serve his agenda. Now I know many will read this and be outraged, but I want you to consider what he said and compare it to scripture, because we are called as Christians to study/search the scriptures to rightly divide it and see if something is true (Acts 17:11, 2 Timothy 2:15). In presenting his case about the "lies" that serve us, Giboney has actually made grievous, divisive errors that need to be pointed out:
1) The accusation of lies is a serious one according to Exodus 20:16, Colossians 3:9, Ephesians 4:25, and many other verses. To make this sweeping accusation, but to be vague about who you're directing this accusation to is subtly dishonest because it points to a group of people that can be unnamed (though the speaker knows who he is speaking of) while labeling them "those that would be against racism and labeling anyone in the church that speaks on it Marxist." The problem with that way of defining it is the fact that he doesn't take the time to address the fact that Christians (because he is speaking of Christians in the church) that address this issue want to keep it Biblical. So in doing so, they examine most of the talk about racism (from those like Jemar Tisby, Eric Mason, Thabiti, and a host of others) has its solutions in unbiblical ways more than Biblical. So to generally accuse Christians who rightly examine the CRT-woke nature of addressing racism as those that lie to "serve them" is itself a lie.
2) Bringing up the sins of the past in an unsaved world is a great way to stroke the emotions. In the year 2021, why do Christians in the church bring up the past as if there hasn't been any progress in the last hundred years? And since the world is unsaved, why would you expect perfect progress since these folks need the gospel (Romans 10:14-17) because of the depths of their sins (Romans 3:9-20, Ephesians 2:1-3, 1 John 3:4, Jeremiah 17:9, etc.). I work at a bank; Jim Crow laws, redlining, etc. are illegal. No government institution has a system set in place today to stop anyone from getting loans or a job. Stop bringing up the sins of yesterday to try to pin it on this generation as if they're responsible. There is no Biblical mandate for this unless you have specific evidence. (in addition, I can point out systemic sin in the world and show you who is behind it specifically, but TGC seem to belittle this sin in favor of racism. How about abortion? It is murder according to Exodus 20:13, Genesis 9:6, the end of Proverbs 6:17, and is shown as a grievous sin in Romans 3:15 and Matthew 5:21-22. And the millions of black babies killed in the womb over the past four decades promoted and done by abortion clinics, Planned Parenthood, and the platform of the Democrat party is wicked. I can literally show you the system that is behind this sin, but I can't find anyone to specifically show which system is promoting systemic racism. Is it the schools, government, law enforcement, etc.? Can you point to some specific examples?)
3) Using Jesus railing against the Pharisees and then insinuating that the Christians that address racism contrary to CRT are the same, is a lie itself. Not every Christian in every church is against discussing racism. And by the way, racism as a word isn't even Biblical, it is hatred and partiality (based on 1 John 3:15 and James 2:1-13). God has made all of one blood all nations according to Acts 17:26. And since all Christians are one in Christ according to Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:11, Ephesians 4:4-6, and 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, we need to be reminded about the partiality and prejudice in the church by reminding each other our position in Christ, and the power to live that out (in and outside of the church) through the leading of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16-18) and the truth of God's Word that sanctifies us (John 17:17). Notice this gentlemen didn't reference any of these verses that tell us as Christians how to address this issue in the church.
4) Isn't it ironic that this gentlemen want to discuss racism in the church, but he has not problem by saying "white nationalism" is in the church? What a sweeping statement to make about the churches in America as a whole. And isn't it ironic that those saying they're addressing racism (and others aren't) always mention "black" and "white" in terms of "blacks" being "victims" in the church while "whites" being "oppressors." Again, this is vague language and not specific. It's a sweeping accusation based more on the past and a narrative given outside of the church. Does this sin exist in and out of the church? Absolutely, but making a sweeping generalization is a logical fallacy. We are to judge all things in a righteous manner (John 7:24, Matthew 7:1-5) because judgment starts at the house of God (1 Peter 5:17), but how can you righteously judge this man's accusations he gave against the church if we don't know the pastors, leaders, or even church members that are doing these things? And if this is so wide-spread, shouldn't TGC reach out to the churches that they know are doing these things and exhort them to practice church discipline (Matthew 18:15-20)?
In conclusion, there are so many other things that I don't have time to address, but this much is true, TGC has a position against racism that seems to only use Bible verses (in a twisting sort of way) to promote solutions that aren't Biblical at all (again, read Tisby, Mason, and others that do promote an unbiblical way of addressing this issue). The God-breathed, sufficient Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17) is a solution for any sin problem in and out of the church, but when you hear little or none of it from the loudest voices against it, then others that believe God and His Word will speak against it. That doesn't make Christians lying to serve their own purposes, it makes those Christians examining and demonstrating that the solution is in God's Word and the gospel.
You nailed it.
I was thinking these same thoughts as I was listening to his rant. If there is any true racism going on in the church now, may we always use God’s Word in the right context, so we don’t misuse God’s Word and falsely excuse God’s people, by making general accusations against them, specifically when he mentions lies Christians are believing; WHAT LIES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? And sir, give Christians specific examples of these lies. Generalizations will never solve any problem. I believe this guy has beef with the racist world out there, (world) not with God’s people (church) And by the way, Christians will ALWAYS have grievances against people outside the church no matter what color your skin is, This is a fallen, broken world we live in. Utopia is coming for us when Jesus returns. This guy would do better for God’s people if he would teach us the Bible.
@@Lisa-ty5xw Agreed, well said. It's sad many professed Christians don't believe the supernatural, sanctifying, and sufficient Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17) about any moral matter, even prejudice and partiality. Instead they lean on their own understanding or get caught up with man-made philosophies, which Proverbs 3:5 and Colossians 2:8 speaks against. Like you said, better if he taught the Bible instead of worldly ideologies. God bless.
I am genuinely curious why it is there are many Christians that seem, for lack of a better term, to freak, at Marxism? I think Gibiney makes a good point about evaluating worldviews in light of Scripture. Dumping what is unbiblical and what is embracing. How is that Marxist?
@@calebberens9692 Please go and read my original comment in its entirety: I explained the problem I had with Gibiney's presentation. And the reason Christians "freak" at Marxism is because it is an ungodly view. Read Colossians 2:8 and 2 Corinthians 10:5; we are not to evaluate or even embrace the sins of the world based on ungodly ideologies. You can't embrace worldly ideologies and pick the parts that are true and then say it's a useful tool. We have the absolute truth of God's Word that sanctifies the Christian (John 17:17), so why would I need to promote half-truths that contain half-lies?
And this is the problem with this social justice movement; they want to embrace aspects of Marxism, mix it in with Christianity, then scoff when someone notices it is from a Marxist perspective. This is syncretism, which the Apostle Paul addressed in the epistle of Colossians. And how did he address it? By showing that Christ has the preeminence in our lives because of who He is and what He did (Colossians 1:13-23). Christians are always to be aware of any system of thought that either contradicts or subtly tries to blend itself with a Biblical worldview. And we are to speak against it.
“He who has ears, let him hear.”
These comments are proof that either nobody was really paying attention to what he was saying, or they're actually ignorant enough to think that racism is no longer prevelant in society.
Thank you! I’m reading these comments and I’m thinking they weren’t ready for this. He get an A for trying to teach the unteachable.
I agree. In reading these comments, I feel there is no hope for this country. And white evangelicals wonder why they’re becoming hated? Just look at these comments.
@@mementomori1022 whatever you say Laura
@@mementomori1022 I'm not making up anything. The idea that racism isn't prevelant today is flat out ignorant. Centuries of racism aren't going to disappear just like that when we've only started undoing those systems in the 60s. Colored television was starting to become mainstream when the Civil Rights Act was passed. That's not ancient history. And interracial marriage wasn't legalized until the 70s. The freaking 70s. That's basically yesterday in the grand scheme of history. Remember, Evangelicals called MLK a "woke Marxist." Those claims didn't age well, did they?
@@mementomori1022 So…is it true doctrine to troll comments? I mean, I grew up in white evangelicals churches so the content and quality of the negative comments from this video is unsurprising. Sad, but not unsurprising. All I can say to you, O keeper of the white theological doctrine, is this pastor is already blessed per Matthew 5:11. This pastor has been nothing but persecuted by his “brothers” and “sisters” in Christ for saying what needs to be said. And no, you don’t get to be say you are persecuted Laura/Karen. Your privilege, bigoted opinions, and self-righteousness closed your ears before he uttered one word.
Don’t bother replying back.
Thanks!
Where does this guy pastor because I'm moving there
He is not a pastor but he does have a great podcast with Chris Butler! He is also part of a group called the & Campaign if you want to check them out!
@@codymarks8051 dude/dudes, the And Campaign is so "Jesus And", and that's exactly what this world needs less of... Jesus And. STOP IT, EVERYONE!!! Jesus is enough. He is sufficient. Jesus Is The Answer? He is our all in all. As such, He is the answer. He is The Word. The Way. The Light. The Truth. He and the Father are one. There is power in the name of Jesus, like no other power, anywhere, anytime, any how. I so wish the And Campaign, and its like would fade much sooner than it seems they're likely to. Jesus Is Enough. Shalom
Just find your closest blue hell hole and you can find what you are looking for. That's where people are voting with their feet and leaving.
So is Voddie Baucham lying now?
This entire speech was centered around sins of the past and drawing parallels between white evangelicals and the Pharisees, all the while offering nothing in the way of what to do going forward to further the Kingdom of God.
It concerns me that he and, presumably, The Gospel Coalition as a whole, embrace theories and systems so inextricably linked to Marxism and Socialism.
CRT has nothing to do with race, its abt the problems with capitalism
Where’s the gospel and scripture?
Yeah like a lot of pastors nowadays prophesying without any use of scripture. Doesn’t mean it’ ain’t biblical. Where’s the gospel and scripture in your comment?
So something is invalid unless it explicitly explains the Gospel or uses the direct quotation of scripture? Biblical themes are present throughout his entire talk, but more importantly, he probably didn't feel the need to directly quote scripture to convince people that God cares deeply about justice and the oppressed because it is so commonly talked about in the OT prophets. Read Amos.
To be fair, this is a "talk" about politics, not a sermon meant to give exegesis.
@@jazzytrumpet12 People misuse the do not judge scripture all the time.
@@BrianWuu THAT'S A FAIR RESPONSE, especially the last sentence, GOOD JOB ( MDIV with highest honors and a pastor for over twenty years).
"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven." Mathew 6:1
"For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice." James 3:16
"As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him" Titus 3:10
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Where was your biblical basis? What does the word say about this and about our view? According to the word who are " our people "? Yes, I believe atrocities have happened, but the only answer is Jesus.
Is Jesus what? You sound like the kids in my Sunday school class. They answer Jesus for every question. Now elaborate…..
@@Bezzy911 Well, let's hope those kids are saved. Because your oppositional voice sounds like the last influence I'd want mine under. You don't run nothin' dude. If you want an answer, ask a legit question and stop acting like anyone owes you.
@@RhiscFactor lol 😂. Yup. Just what I thought!
@@Bezzy911 Nah. You didn't. Oh, and, Jesus IS the answer to any issue. In practice or in principal. One day, you'll agree. No, I mean really. 🤣 Bye now.
@@Bezzy911 silly. Don't you know that Jesus Is The Answer? He is our all in all. As such, He is the answer. He is The Word. The Way. The Light. The Truth. He and the Father are one. There is power in the name of Jesus, like no other power, anywhere, anytime, any how. The kids in your Sunday school are correct, and you, jcbrown405, clearly could learn a thing of two from them. Jesus Is The Answer, just as RhiscFactor stated. "Jesus And" is our most formidable foe. Solo scriptura, and nada mas.
Interesting points, made me think a bit. It would be great to have you sit down with Robert Woodson of 1776unites to find common ground. The one critique is that its odd to use the word "lies" so much as if those who are concerned deny history. They probably just think significant progress has been made in the last 50 years.
It’s actually needed and accurate. Many lies have been perpetuated in history. The people that think everything is so great and we’ve made so much progress are believing a lie.
Well presented and thank you for speaking truth to power.
Wow this was good! Thank you!
CRT has nothing to do with race, its abt the problems with capitalism.
Great dividing of the word and how it relates to structural racism. Useful lies insight was fire!
Racism exists and it streams from hate, hate has existed since the begging of creation. But through scripture we see that only on race exists , human race, crated in the image & the likeness of God.
For someone who refers to straw man arguments as lies he sure does not stray away from the practice (4:30). These are very revealing times, and the Gospel Coalitions “truth” is on full display.
How is that a straw man? Genuinely asking for clarity
@@yngclothing
Wikipedia:
A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition.[2][3] Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly regarding highly charged emotional subjects.
Click on the blue 4:30 and it takes you right to his straw man argument. The fact that he is standing up a straw man is not a matter of opinion. It is what he is objectively doing.
Calling TGC progressive? That's hilarious. All the videos on TGC are alike?
I just listened to this. More than once he used a pretty large strawman, which under normal circumstances isn't ideal, but in a piece highlighting the importance of truth-telling and also labeling hyperbole or strawmen as lies, it particularly stands out. He probably could clean up some of those and it would strengthen the talk.
But more fundamentally I don't think he takes seriously the fundamental differences in the conflicting worldviews. I would argue that the reason one might, or should be sounding the alarm about CRT and Marxism is precisely because they care about biblical racial justice and not because they're closet white supremacists. I would also argue that many of the men he mentions like Booker T. Washington would be 100% in that category as well were they here today (although I lack a time machine to bring them here, so obviously that's an opinion.) Does his framework account for that? It seems more like he thinks everyone should accept a little CRT and a little Marxism and if they don't it's because they're telling lies and don't care about racial justice. I find that very unpersuasive.
He is all over the place here. What's your point my brother?
Why have what appears to be a Bible on the pulpit if you're not going to even open it?
I make my comment as a middle eastern descendent, 1st generation Australian born, reformed Christian. What is the point exactly of this talk? Yes America has a bad history of slavery, racism etc. But look how far it has come? Where in any of the existing systems and institutions today can be found any policy or rules that reflect racism? Is Jesus's sacrifice not for all sin?
Are the sins and systems of the past completely emptied from the present systems in America when you see the problems in the African American community today? Does Jesus's sacrifice for our sin not also call us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling by loving our neighbors as ourselves (Mark 12:30) with knowledge and discernment (Phil 1.9) of the historical situation American Christians find themselves in? In that light, this talk points to the truth of the situation that helps Christians move forward.
@@pjtibayan Excellent response!
@@pjtibayan I am trying to understand what exactly is the issue now. Are there problems with the African American community only or specifically? Are they victims by the present day standard?
@@m0usju1c3 if you have so many questions then you might want to do some research.
@@HearGodsWord I have done some research but obviously I'm no USA history buff. Why don't you enlighten me then?
This is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Those who have ears, let them hear.*
Now if only we could be doers of the Word,
and not just hearers only.
*God provides sign language for those hard of hearing. If you choose to close your eyes as well, that’s a willful choice. Still, Grace abounds to all, as do consequences when the blind lead the blind.
Amen
Wow so many of y’all are really missing it!! I encourage you to Go back and truly listen...really try to pray against and remove that critical spirit and political/religious elitism that you stand so strongly on.
Remove the critical spirit? How about we remove the critical spirit when we accept the Gospel? Reconciliation without reckoning? What should be the recompense for this sinful and wicked history of ours? Who should bear the cross to satisfy the wrath of man? Better question, why on earth do we think any man is entitled to pouring out wrath? Jesus bore the cross for all sins. Yours. Mine. Ours. Full stop. This CRT business is the equivalent of circumcision. No. It is not the contrite and humble who are the Pharisees here. It’s those who have created new works and demand us to adhere to their law in order to prove our salvation.
@@jesseharper7172 very convenient. If you find peace with that in your Spirit, in light of all of God's commands, then peace be with you.
@@adridelarosaj very convenient, indeed, Adriana. Attempting to disguise your unkind, and critical comment, with a "Christian Like" after word. "Very Convenient". Some Bible study, on your part, would reveal to you that Jesse Harper is precisely and biblically correct in his comment. I'll say further just this "Jesus Is Enough". Not Jesus And... not Jesus AND demanding reparations and some perversion of social justice. To quote Jesse Harper, "Who should bear the cross to satisfy the wrath of man? Better question, why on earth do we think any man is entitled to pouring out wrath? Jesus bore the cross for all sins. Yours. Mine. Ours. Full stop." Shalom
@@skipfires when I said "peace be with you." I meant it. On the other hand, your "shalom" does not inspire or produce peace in me. Quite the contrary. At any rate, I will not engage with you further because you are about being "correct" and not about listening. If you believe that Jesus is enough, then this would not cause you to be so angry. I recommend prayer. Either way, as I said, I do wish you peace.
@@adridelarosaj I wrote nothing in or out of anger. You know nothing o what I'm about. It is precisely you who has been unkind and representing contempt, with your "very convenient" comment to Jesse Harper. I've learned that too often the blind are so simply because they refuse to see. That the deaf can't hear, except what they desire to hear. I shall, sincerely, pray for your eyes and ears. You might consider, that the fact that "shalom" does not inspire or produce peace in you, is likely a sign of Islamophobia. In this area I shall also pray for you. shalom
Thoroughly unhelpful in my opinion.What does this have to do with the Gospel and the heart of the reborn man? This man sounds angry and is focused on race and class. Highlighting inequality and division. I heard nothing about an identity in Christ (outside of race and grievance) as the solution, only highlighting the nature of fallen man in the world. Speaking on problems without presentjng solutions is just venting.
are you saying that you seriously don't know what sin has to do with the gospel? Are you seriously saying that you don't know that people who claim to be born again should not be racist? Are you seriously saying that the renewal and restoration of all things has nothing to do with the gospel?
And you sound very white too.. The very person this is for
Watershed speech. Thank you and God bless you, brother.
CRT has nothing to do with race, its abt the problems with capitalism
He should take his own advice and talk about how modern day calls for racial justice are predominantly built off of strawmen as well. TGC advertises this as both sided, yet he spends the vast majority of this talk on only one side.
I would add that if he wants to talk about racial injustice, then speak about SPECIFIC instances and who perpetrated them. Putting out broad-brushed accusations of systemic racism is NOT helpful. Has there been racism in America? Of course, nobody denies that. Btw, to be more specific, Democrats are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, Robert Byrd, opposition to MLK and the Civil Rights movement, aborting over 30% of all black babies, being anti-school choice and thus entrapping poor black kids in bad schools, and incentivizing unwed births that leads to fatherless families (the root cause of most current black maladies). Also, be specific by acknowledging the fact that great progress has been made in race relations (or at least until 2008 when Obama seemed to enjoy fanning the flames of racial division for political gain). Again, the speaker needs to be SPECIFIC. Broad accusations of racism and hypocrisy aren't going to win over many of the people who he unfairly accuses of racism when the overwhelming majority of them are also opposed to racism.
@@mydh122 you’re doing exactly what he said. Lol pointing at unnecessary facts as arguments that have little or nothing to do with the effects of systemic racism that was only 40-50 years ago. You’re not being very helpful listing all these useless facts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand except trying to blame democrats for everything and scapegoat the race problem. Lol
@@mydh122 this also isn’t about winning people over but encouraging people to think more critically rather than just labeling people as LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES, and generalise them into one group and send each other propaganda from both sides…. Lol damn not that hard to understand this. Don’t know where you get all your hate from.
@@BrianWuu So you think it is "useless" to pinpoint SPECIFIC actions of racism?! You dismiss them as being "unnecessary facts"?! Really?! Instead you want to talk about non-specific racism that occurred "40-50 years ago." If you don't point to SPECIFIC actions, you can't really make the needed changes. A problem well-defined is a problem half-solved. Your wokeness doesn't allow you to think critically.
@@BrianWuu I didn't express any "hate." I simply pointed out SPECIFIC instances of actions that have been extremely hurtful to blacks. How is that harmful?! The speaker is the one who over-generalizes. He speaks about America in general. It would be much more helpful to speak about who SPECIFICALLY in America has caused the harm to black people. My FACTS show who SPECIFICALLY has caused the most harm to blacks. Do you have any evidence that disputes the FACTS that I presented?
The [social] gospel coalition smh
I dont think you listenend, nor do you have the campassion or sympanthy towards what you may not understand. He is not promoting critical race theory or the current worldy methods of social justice. He is speaking of people like you who just point fingers and say things like this. Should we not talk about these issues? Or do we only have to talk about them your way? From your imperfect(as we all are imperfect) perspective?
There is a call from God to take care of those lowly; those who are oppressed and poor. Don't suggest that a 1:30:00 long movie can have an affect on culture, but 300 to 400 years of slavery of this kind, can't have an impact large enough for Christians talk about.
@@sergejvilmar Very well put! I appreciate your reply!
This deserves to be top comment haha
@@sergejvilmar clearly you have listened selectively. Justin is clearly and precisley defending and in some ways even promoting crt and a perversion of social justice. And that, Serge, is antithetical to Christianity. To being a Christ follower. Further, to accuse others of not possesing compassion or sympathy is more that a bit unwarranted, judgemental, and intellectually corrupt. You write, "People Like You"? Can you see that you make a clown of yourself? Christians and slavery? What people do you suppose did the most to eradicate slavery? Muslims? Africans? Chinese? Seriously, what's your answer. Shame on you for trying to use the Bible to justify your own blatant insensitivities. Shame.
@@skipfires Define CRC and point out specifically what things Justin said that were CRC.
I’m not talking about what any other group of people didn’t do. I’m talking about what some churches in America are not dealing with and not talking about.
In 1845 the Southern Baptist convention was started based off a split and a disagreement about slavery. South Baptist conviction was started because of a desire to maintain slavery. Now today there hundreds of Southern Baptist churches who’s foundations were built on a lack of for all people. Historically in my own and other SBC churches in my area I’ve seen this. Churches not only built on racism but selfishness and a country club mentality. The problem is that churches did not build their foundations on Christ. That is a problem.
If a churches foundations are built on anything other than Christ, that church needs to take a good look at its core beliefs, values, and culture, and make sure they align with Christ. That goes for any church of any ethnicity of people.
If that’s CRC than I’m sorry, but any church (white, black, etc.) that has its foundations built on racism or anything other than Christ needs to reconsider it’s ethics and make sure it’s in alignment with Christ.
If that’s CRC, I’m sorry.
This is gospel driven truth. Preach.
This is so far from biblical truth, it's not truly even in the truth column.
To Justin, I write the following, Critical Race Theory - I do not think it means what you think it means. Marxism - I do not think it means what you think it means. Otherwise, you could not so comfortably minimize the negative and divisive impact of each. Had you a firm grasp on the meanings of Marxism and Critical Race Theory, you could not even begin to dispute the inseparable and shockingly unbiblical, racist, divisive, and destructive elements of each. You, sir, speak to hear yourself speak, in hopes of being perceived as sensitive and kind. Narcissism is your master, and not Christ Jesus. This a word, given for your ears to hear. May conviction lead to repentance, to right thinking, to right believing, to right living... for all of us.
To Skipfires, I direct the following: “Don’t judge others, and God will not judge you. If you judge others, you will be judged the same way you judge them. God will treat you the same way you treat others.
(Matthew 7:1-2)
@@seekinggodfirst754 to @Seeking God First, that Justin's talk is here posted is an invitation to discussion, and even critical observation, which is not, at its core, judging. Not in the manner that you suggest, and not in a manner for which God may harshly judge. God calls us to be discerning, and not necessarily to be silent about our discernment. As per well respected theologian and preacher, Charles Spurgeon, noted "Discernment is not a matter of simply telling the difference between right and wrong; rather it is telling the difference between right and almost right.” I believe that, in this video, Justin is right in much of what he says, almost right is some of what he says, and not right in some of what he says. As per God's word, Jesus teaches us to - in love - tell fellow believers about their sins. This precisely why I intentionally directed my comment to Justin. My intent, in love, and not in judgement. In John 7, Jesus states that we should “judge with right judgment” and not “by appearances” (John 7:14). The meaning of this is that we should judge biblically, not worldly. Such biblical judgement should be redemption-oriented, with the motive of helping a fellow brother or sister. Indeed, helping them back into a right relationship with Christ, when they may have strayed to that degree. Further, in the passage that we most relate with church discipline (Matthew 18:15-20), Jesus directly teaches the disciples, “If a brother sins against you, go tell him his fault…” (Matt 18:15). So, we are commanded to “judge” and “go tell” that our brothers and sisters in Christ may be redeemed. This should never be done in order to shame or humiliate or to gain a superior spiritual standing over someone else. I apologize if that is how my comment was perceived, because it was in no way my intent.
You sound like you don't understand either concerpt- CRT, or Marxism. You are simply partying what you've been told.
@Polite Reminder: you sound like a trained hamster. Perhaps some day (though it seems doubtful) you’ll find a way off of your master's wheel.
I would suggest that you could not recognize independent, critical thinking if it were to be tattooed on the underside of your eyelids.
Grab a history book published pre-1990, and study Lennin, Marx, Pol Pot, Gramschi, Althusser, Hilferding, Dunayevskaya, Plekhanov, Kautsky, Marcus, Minh... the list goes on ans on. BUT the list of those killed (read died needlessly) under the Marxist Comunist regimes exceeds 100 Million.
AND you would be wise (I doubt you have such a desire) to get in your own hands the crtaterials being promised and/or taught presently in our public Schools. Most of which has been renamed, reclassified, or disguised as training/teaching of "racial sensitivity, DIE diversity inclusion and equity, and a slew of other aliases. If read critically, and not swallowed like a pill, it is stomach turning, and even sickening.
Do some reading and research, and then get back to me. Though, I must confess, I have a get 5he 8mpression that you're of the sort that lives according to this credo: "I believe what I believe ueve, and don't confuse me with the facts".
In closing, sarcasm aside, and 8n all sincerity, I pray for you (literally praying now) a genuine desire for untainted truths, for discernment, enlightenment, wisdom, and peace.
@@skipfires Ummmm....thanks for the prayers I guess 😬🤷♀️
Sincere prayers served with a side of insults. 😬
KJV Deuteronomy 32. This is not Biblically right. The only answer is God. We are to discern good from evil based off God’s words to live righteously. If you cannot discern good from evil, then you are in a heap of trouble. We choose for ourselves good or evil. Deuteronomy 32 KJV The Companion Bible
“ He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
KJV Matthew 11:15, Matt 13:43, Matt 13:9, Revelation 2:7, Rev 2:11, Rev 2:17, Rev 2:26-29, Rev 3:5-6, Rev 3:12-13, Rev 3:21-22, Rev 13:9
What? Did I miss something or has this video been edited since you watched. When did he propose an “answer”. This video simply described a situation. How is this comment relevant?
I agree with his overall premise. It is certainly true to recognize these lies. However I strongly caution against his methods. Sure racism in the human heart is poisonous and dark, but using any form of Marxism as an antidote is like a child molester rescuing a child from a kidnapper. Marx himself was nearly both.
“To be clear marxism does present a real threat to truth and moral order...”. Did you even listen to what he’s saying? Go back and give it another shot and pray against your critical spirit.
Haha, listen to yourself "pray against your critical spirit." You don't know what you're talking about. Don't be so quick to call someone a racist.
@@wishweknew2800 thank you for your insightful comment. I guess we all tend to reject ideas before fully understanding them. Mostly because of the way the ideas are presented. Maybe that is what Justin Giboney is implying here?
Never heard of good lies.
Now there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
The people who didn't enslave or redline should NOT bear the sins of their grandparents.
The speaker delivers with fork tongue. Marxism is the core of most of the people teaching CRT/CT/ intersectionality.
Injustice is charging a child for the sins of the father's or great grandmother. The CRT is the lie.
Jesus Christ teaches forgiveness, repentance, reconciliation and love. The CRT preachers are not good shepherds but goats, hirelings, wolves, and thieves causing trouble and division.
If you can't forgive then you don't know Christ. You are a goat, bramble bush, hireling, theif, or wolf if you don't teach love and forgiveness.
Romans 8 :1 Now there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. It is only true for those "who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8: 4 Yet, Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires, and Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. If living by the flesh you are still condemned. If racism is one of your weaknesses your flesh you are not in Christ. I have not been in the U.S. for 20 years. I live in Taiwan with my Chinese wife I meet with racism a lot. It is part of the culture. For me it is covert but I understand Chinese so I know what they saying. My mixed-raced has violence because of racism. I taught him it is just part of the sinful human nature. We rise above it by being better. I coach basketball in an international school. My son is the best player there . The refs and local boys hate it but they still have to respect him. God wants to be the head, not the tail. Daniel defeated racism by being better than the Babylonians
By the way, Critical race theory is an academic concept that The core idea is that race is a social construct.
Meaning an idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society. That is biblically true. Acts 2 5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. In God-fearing people race is not important nor is any nation. "And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved" 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.J
@@jackbrandt2220 CRT is group of narratives and principles which contradict scripture. You can have both and be schizophrenic.
All of the laws were not established to keep whites over blacks. Race would be mentioned though out the entire bill of rights and construction. Each state constitution would also affirm white supremacy.
This is clearly a false narrative.
What really did happen was a period of colonists with slaves who established a nation. That nation ended slavery within 100 years of being a nation.
Abolitionists were here all along but at first outnumbered by people who wanted free labor and slave girls.
@@jamesirvin7799 CRT is just an explanation of the institution of slavery and its consequences. It does not divide, it merely sheds light!
@@annnieporter2523 That's not the definition. History is names, dates and events. CRT is a false narrative that ignores the parts of history we can celebrate.
CRT is a false narrative.
@@annnieporter2523 slavery isn't all of US history.
A thoughtful and helpful perspective
Some interesting insights, BUT I wish he would name names and quote the people he is reacting against. It would make for a more effective presentation and argument to react to actual source material. He’s alluding to people and their false arguments which only takes you so far.
Amen. Amen. and Amen.
I really enjoyed this. I'm not sure that CRT deserves the full throw-under-the-bus treatment that it was given, but profound thoughts were expressed here.
I was thrown under the bus by CRT trainers. They deserve it.
It does. It’s not an ideology that was uncovered in pursuit of truth. It is an ideological weapon of mass destruction created by butthurt communists intent on dismantling western society. The CCP pushes this because socialism can’t compete with the ideology of liberty.
Not really catching his “white nationalist in the Temple” it feels like he got rhetorically over his skis at the end there. But I agree with the point that racism has done (mostly long ago) what Marxism threatens to do.
I think he's refering to white nationalists like the white guilt movement.
I'm thinking that Voddie Baucham might offer some argument, in regards to Justin's dismissive generalities. I'm quite certain, in fact, that the argument would be deep and wide, and, undoubtedly, disregarded by liberal theologians. Pity.
I Totally agree with this video
In my opinion, CRT in itself is flawed. That being said, there are some points in it that should be addressed and embraced. Ignoring very real scars and pain of the African American experience is exactly why you get things like CRT. The more the grievances of our brothers and sisters are ignored, the more you will get ideologies like this.
The more you FEED CRT the more of it you will get.
WELL,WELL,WELL I'm surprised this was posted BUT I DEEPLY APPRECIATED IT this will help move us forward in dealing with the truth about the matter.
Genuinely interested... why are you surprised this was posted?
Yes and AMEN!!!! Thank you for this!
Run from these teachers.
Yep. I agree.
Anyone teaches another Gospel, let him be eternally condemned. This is, another gospel folks. Galatians 1: 6-9.
@@Lisa-ty5xw what “gospel” is he preaching? He is speaking about biblical concepts surrounding racism. When we speak about our pro-life stances in the pulpit we aren’t preaching another “gospel” we are speaking about the sanctity of life using biblical concepts as a premise.
The gospel is not about pointing your finger at a certain race for the sin problems.
This man is distorting the gospel. The gospel is about ALL men being guilty of sin.
Christians beware- this man is a wolf.
CRT is ungodly and unbiblical, but true Christians do not use that as an excuse to not love God and love others. Some will be accountable for not loving others and some will be accountable for adding works to the Gospel of Grace: Grace + anything is another gospel.
"Jesus And" is the most formidable foe. To say that Christ is sufficient is one thing. To know it, another. To live it, all together another. Where's the petition to rid civilization of "Jesus And"?
Please show me how CRT is ungodly and unbiblical. I'm genuinely curious.
@@seekinggodfirst754 Thank you for asking, there are a number of ways (and please know that NONE of these excuses true racism and sinful bias that people treat others who are unlike them all the time): #1 It "fixes" racism with racism, or bias with bias (yet the Bible commands us not to show bias James 2:1, and also to "fight evil with good", i.e. forgiving an enemy), which leads to #2 CRT prevents reconciliation - the Oppressor can never be forgiven which is totally ungodly. God's good news of the Gospel is that ALL can be forgiven. When Jesus said "it is finished" He meant the debt was paid, all was accomplished for all sinners. CRT disagrees with Jesus in that regard. God bless you and all of us as we seek Christ!
@@dubyag4124 Can you expand on the "fixing racism with racism" critique?
@@seekinggodfirst754 CRT is unbiblical but I disagree that it is ungodly. Not sure where people are getting that. I don’t really agree with the person who responded who said it teaches racism with more racism. I don’t agree. CRT exposed flaws in the US. I didn’t know exposing flaws within a country was racist and UnAmerican but that’s what some think. It isn’t even racist toward individuals…it addresses unfair systems. If we want to get technical- it calls out how white men benefitted from
Systems set in place for a very long time. Systems that minority men were shut out of for a long time. It’s not racist to say that - it’s just factual. But in some people’s minds it’s racist to say that. That’s the problem. Even more funny is that they try to say , “well, it’s the Democrats that kept blacks down and was pro-slavery” as if black people care. Yes, it was the Democrats - which were still white men so what I said was still true. White men in both parties for the most part - were only concerned about keeping this a white nation. That’s just facts. Yes, things improved later for blacks but you still can’t deny how things started and that’s what they want to do. They are afraid telling kids the truth will make them hate white people. I guess they think it will cause some race war. It’s so ridiculous.
Amen, brother! Keep speaking the good word. This is so important!
Congratulations TGC. Take a look at the comment section. This is what you contributed today. This will be your legacy. Enjoy your clapter.
You don’t think they knew that the religious elite would be upset by Mr Giboneys words?
You’re missing it.
“Reconciliation without a repentant spirit does not work...”
@@nsmith987 I do not know anyone named religious elites. That sounds like a pejorative. Do you know Jesus? Have you heard about Grace? No works required. I promise. See Bible for details
Honestly I had to look up the definition of “Claptor” and “pejorative”. But I get you now.
Your original comment is also a pejorative. But anyways. I do read the Bible and know that faith without works is dead, as I’ve read in James 2. Grace is a gift from God because we are an undeserving people. We ought to look for ways to serve and love our neighbors in an effort to unify (without going against what God commands us to do) and not just cancel those we disagree with, as those that I would call “religious elites” aka “Christian Nationalists” are doing.
Would you agree with any of that?
@@nsmith987 Jesus loves you. Seek him and this burden will be lifted.
@@masonharlow6919 Ya you right. Jesus has a burden for the lost. As should we. Not everyone who claims His name will see the Kingdom of heaven.
The truth is scary!!!
It looks like every preacher in this channel is progressive. Let’s stick to the word of God. We are one race. All descendants of one person. The Bible says we should think about good things. Not teaching my children this.
If you're not teaching your children this don't teach them about thieves, murderers and rapist either
Also don’t teach them about pro-life causes then. Just shut up and preach thr Gospel only then!!
A little scripture and a lot of politics. Half this sermon is more than a hundred years stale. Divisive and slanderous. And most of all VAGUE enough to be persuade the ignorant. Listen to Sowell.
Crockett 36, well, that’s one opinion but if we only listen to Thomas Sowell than we’re setting him up as the perfect one whose thinking is 100% right. For we all fall short of the glory of Yahweh, God, We need to be exposed to multiple ways of seeing, it’s called dialogue. Just as there are 100’s of denominations of Christianity there are many ways to look at all things. One thing I’m really growing tired of is the close minded Christian approach which is promoting Capitalism as a viable system when it’s failing so many the way it is right now. The rich are getting richer and the country is in a hole and many Christians’ intellectual development is seriously stunted.
@@michaelbrickley2443
And what do you propose that we do about it?
The government is now huge, and the primary enemy of the people. They usher in huge, lawless corporations. I don't look to the political or economic realm for hope.
@@Charles.Wright, I’m proud of you. I find it scary the amount of people promoting Trump as our savior. The world has a god and he is our enemy
@@Charles.Wright, you might want to listen to a Tedx talk by Nick Hanauer. Warning that the pitchforks are coming. A plutocrat warning the other plutocrats. Look at the way the country is leaning. Capitalism as practiced now, in US, is more oligarchy….
@@michaelbrickley2443 this a straw man argument. You are accusing me of elevating Sowell. I never indicated that. I critique this monologue. I listened to this man. I knew what I was going to hear. Conservatives cannot help but hear the other side. We do not have closed minds. Information flows in. Like a mouth a mind must open, but it also must close and digest.
Capitalism is the only real system. If we develop more socialism, you and I will take what is given to us and begin trading it. It’ll be illegal, but we’ll do it. Black market economics is still capitalist. We will do what we want because God made us free and we value things differently than the superiors who will dole out the goods.
As to the rich getting richer, what do you care? We live in the richest time in human history? Look up some comparative studies about health and poverty. Study the past man. You should conclude that we have more opportunity more wide spread goods and services. Ask God for wisdom. Listen to Sowell and WWilliams and vdh and Candice and Brandon Tatum and ask God for strength and then work until the math comes out right! Peace brother!
stop beating around the bush..call a thing a thing
If he's going to talk about politics, why doesn't he talk about how that all the first politicians who were black in the United States were republican? Why doesn't he talk about the fact that it was a Democratic party that fought for slavery and racism throughout the years? Why blame white nationalism, whatever that means, I'm assuming meaning conservative christians, instead of blaming the real culprits?
Then don't use CRT. Abandon CRTs talking points and let's engage with racism with a Christian foundation and not a Marxist foundation.
TGC has become very unhelpful on moving forward with grace. There was some good truth to this but also many facts he left out on race and responsibility. The very fact we have these conversations in public without fear is a good indicator white nationalism isn't the boogie man we make it out to be. The vast majority in the public seem to not have racial issues now as much as class issues which is just as un Biblical.
It seems to me that this preacher is doing exactly the same as those that he is against. Using the pulpit as a political/racial platform. It seems to me that there is no attempt to hear Romans 12 and 13.
He’s not using the pulpit for politics, he’s using the pulpit to point out a political and social issue that has deeply some affected some churches. Romans 13 deals with submission to government, but remembering that our ultimate authority is God, not government. We don’t follow the government into sin.
Racism and partiality is a biblical issue and the world has made it political just like pro-life is a biblical issue that the world has made it political
Very humanistic but misses Christ by miles and mile.
How so?
How does it miss Christ exactly?
Thank you Gospel Coalition. Thank you.
Does the "churches race problem" mentioned include racism towards white people also, or is it only targeting white racists? Because only white Christians can be racists right?
Dang talk about a strawman!
By his own language, this man sees everyone though the lendse of race. And that is demonic and unbiblical. We don't demand justice. We beg for grace.
Your are EXACTLY correct. Both demonic and unbiblical, and deserving of extreme criticism and bright lights being shined on Satan's clever works, through this man's speech.
Multiculturalism is a Babylonian idea, not a biblical one,period. Show me one time,new testament or old where God said "go get all the Egyptians and gentiles and bring them to Israel and have the repetition of mind control lull them into intermarrying". Show me that, please. God scattered the races to their own land for a reason!!!
Let’s be sure and stay true to Godly truth - the word says ‘all men are inherently sinful’ NOT all people of a certain ‘skin-color’ are ‘inherently racist’.
Even Martin Luther King Jr. believed & preached that - ‘you (all mankind) are not known for, identified by, nor are to be judged by - the ‘color of your skin’.
Your Personal - Individual - ‘Character’ (your personal behavior & words) identifies your ‘heart’, the Color of your skin - does not expose your hearts intent.
Skin-Color does NOT = Character.
It doesn’t matter WHAT color your skin is - God looks at your heart’s intent, God judges your heart.
Please stop ‘labeling’ people by their personal ‘skin-color’ - be Responsible for your own words and behavior, so that your ‘Character’ (NOT your ‘Color’) - exemplifies Jesus.
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Remember, when we all stand before God himself on judgment day - He will not be judging any of us by the ‘color of our skin’. We will be judged on - how we acted & by every word we’ve said.
Make your ‘Character Count for Christ’, it will be the only thing that matters…. In the end.
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