Yes, i agree. He is a rare breed indeed. His many documentaries are 2nd to none . Recently i saw 'The Fire Within' which was amazing as much as it was apocalyptic . His other work on Life on Death Row episodes made very challenging viewing also. To the Ends of the Earth was also very good on people who live in the arctic . His cinematic films are great too especially Wrath of God and the remake of Nosferatu and the Bad Leutenant
You wont regret it .Are you OK reading subtitles ? Most of his cinema films were in German , perhaps a bit dated now , except for the Bad Leutenant which was more recent and his first try at Hollywood and has Nicolas Cage in it . I appreciate Herzog's complexities and many layers . He is not some one easy to pin down and put in a box like some sell out like Gremlin Spielberg who only has profit in mind. Herzog's projects are that of a true artist who does not care for towing the line . One of the last adventurers , especially when it comes to picking locations, subjects or scripts ! Does not care for trends .
Im glad she didn't destroy the tape. I honestly think that if anyone ever tries to be as reckless as Timothy was, if someone tries to follow in his footsteps and makes the same mistakes he did, that they should listen to the tape, to realize the reality of what they are doing. I feel like maybe if Timothy understood the reality of what dying that way would be like and the danger he was putting the woman he loved in, maybe this wouldn't of happened. Maybe this horrific audio tape could save someone else's life down the line.
@@tomabram8629 we can't, the person who has the tape has said she will make sure it never gets heard by anyone. Apparently it's horrific. That said, there are audios on CZcams claiming to be the tape but I think it's all fakes
@@sandywhat2429 yes but I also don't think he was in the mental state to fully understand that danger. Watching footage, he seems very manic at times and had a very warped perception of his actual relationship with the bears. He saw many of them as his friends, he believed he had these deep bonded relationships with them and this skewed perception mixed with his mental health struggles that weren't really being addressed, made him take risks that I don't think he would have taken had he been thinking clearly
Treadwell's attempted interactions with bears shows how childlike he really was. The way he talked to them, went up close to them, as if he thought he could be friends with them. Children attribute human qualities to animals and inanimate objects such as toys, and Treadwell did the same thing.
Yeah, but there's something very seriously wrong with one's critical thinking skills when one cannot separate an inanimate object, a toy, from a real life bear!
@@cityofchamps66 not really. He was EXTREMELY childish! With the park service, as well as his prior job. He had nothing but a child mentality for the bears.
He said he wanted to protect bears yet his stupid actions got himself , his girlfriend and 2 bears killed.. I wont speak ill of the dead but this was a disaster waiting to happen
He was mental. He wasn’t saving bears!! How was he saving bears? He was disillusioned. Tragic death but you don’t live and camp in grizzly territory & somehow think they have accepted you. No one should die that way but most are smart enough to not put themselves into the situation.
Like how was he protecting bears? He was interfering with wild animals the minute he sees people throwing rocks and doing stuff to the bears and what does he do? He hides and does nothing lol so please tell me how he's protecting them? Hes batshit crazy thats what he was someone with bipolar who should've been getting psychiatric care
What was Treadwell "going to protect" bears from? They were in a Bear Paradise, great climate, plenty of food, plenty of hunting. I can't imagine a better habitat for a bear to live in than Alaska. Too bad Treadwell didn't just leave the bears alone.. in peace.
Someone in the film actually said he probably would’ve been completely happy if a bear ate him and only him while he was out there and no one ever found him. I’m inclined to believe that simply for the fact that he felt like bears were his only calling in life and he wanted to live doing nothing else but that. I think that would’ve been a better ending for him but his girlfriend also dying and two bears getting killed was the tragic part about this whole thing.
They are at the medical examiner's office, and very little chance of them ever, ever making it onto the Internet.....unless someone can find an unscrupulous employee who will take some cash over moral correctness.
@@adrunkgorillawithalobotomy353 and then in other video it says their remainings arrived in plastic cover. Only head with spinal cord was attached and one arm.
i cant imagine thinking camping in tents in bear territory is a place i want to be in,. or near. i love bears, but they are one of the handful of animals that scare me seriously bad. i was at one time thinking of moving to montana or colorado. bears were one of the reason i decided no. so were cougars. i always live on at least 20 acres in the stix, and those animals are there.plus i have livestock and that would have been like ringing the dinner bell. i was retiring early (45) and wanting to move to more land.so i googled cheap country property and spent weeks deciding on what state i would move to. in the end i decided texas. land is crazy cheap, incredibly gorgeous as long as you dont go east (desert). we have wild hogs and they can be dangerous but mostly will stay away from humans. and snakes. gosh do we have snakes. UGH. weirdly enuff where i used to live copperheads and water moccasins, yea too many! one year i killed 17 venomous ones. (dont kill non venomous even tho they give me a heart attack when i first run into one) LOL. the best year-2 and 2 dogs bitten by snakes that year also. now i moved to where there is timber rattlers, and that is terrifying. they stay in groups, have nests. omg that is my worst nightmare. a nest of venomous snakes! but i have been here for 2 1/2 years , and only found one skin, and saw the tip of a snake (bright white tail)??? running away from me. i looked to try to identify it, ??/still have no idea???it was so bright i wasnt sure for a minute if it was a rats tail. but afterwards i was like calm, and thought, no def. snake. what kind? unknown. rattlers do tons more damage and are tons more dangerous if you live alone. you dont have much time to be helped. with copperheads/water moccasins, yes you need to go to the hospital, but you will probably be fine. scarring, and possible loss of digits, and some pain, hell yea, but rattlers ohhh wee! thankfully and luckily i have an old time country vet who carrys rattler antivenon. no others vets i knew ever did cuz it costs the patient like 1,800 dollars per vial, and it has a short shelf life. but this vet has it. thankyou so much!!! worried big time about my dogs. i have a big year round creek on the very back side of my 20 acres and i ampretty sure the rattlers stay there, plus i have about 2 acres mostly cleared, still wooded, but no scrub or brush, keep lawn very short, actually i mow it crazy low to kill it cuz the sandy dirt is super comfy to walk on and also cool for the dogs in summer. plus less mowing for me, and it looks beautiful doesnt look like a skanky yard. so far so good!
Why would you enter the space of one of the alrgest predators on the planet in the first place? I'ts the same as breaking into someones hosue and then shooting him because you feel threatened by the owner.
Treadwell's empathy was very much needed by those bears. What they didn't need was his actual presence and physical contact. That's where his own delusionist thinking came in. Love the bears from afar. Be an activist in preserving their habitat and in keeping humans from encroaching too closely and ruining their ability to exist. But living with and among them and attempting to interact with them was his fatal mistake.
even bear handlers know that the bears are extremely dangerous even if these bears are passive and friendly to the trainer since it was a cub. they don't let their guard down and they are ready to have the bear put down if needed
Why? They rip shit apart to live. This selective morality never fails to make me laugh. There's nothing beautiful about a predator doing what comes natural. Unless you're a sadist and horror makes you hard.
Resident your advice is in the top five best comments. 👍 Tim was creating his own Hollywood. He was broken from not getting the cheers acting gig. Picked the most dangerous area to try to get fame. But ultimately it worked but in a tragic manner.
He needed to have a self defense weapon in case of this kind of emergency.He would only use it as a last resort, a frying pan is like giving the bear a head massage to bad very sad.
Lol. Im pretty sure people say a lot of things but sure as hell he would have killed that bear with anything suitable if he had the chance. In USA owning weapons is legal, no one should get into bear country without guns.
@@blenderbanana Lol..no. I'm pretty sure we can distinquish between being morbidly curious about hearing that tape and watching snuff films m8. Right? 👁👃👁
@@blenderbanana The line I'm trying to distinguish here doesn't have anything to do with morbid and horrible. I'm saying there is a big difference between being morbidly curious about something like this and having the desire to watch *_Snuff Films_* which are completely in their own league of fuckedness. Lol.
You have to know going into a Herzog doc that it's going to be heavily shaped by his worldview (which romanticizes reality in its own way). At the same time, that "edit" is quite masterful because the viewer imagines the worst possible screaming -- absence is present, and all that. I agree that that kind of interaction with bears is a philosophical misunderstanding of nature. It will occur time and time again. It's extremely tempting to anthropomorphize animals and to empathize with them in the wrong way. Lately I've been watching videos of orangutans and my heart just melts and I want to hug them and feed them, but of course they are wild animals who absolutely do not need my love and affection, and who could kill me at any time. What they really need is for sentimental people like myself to stay away from them and to help maintain their habitat without coming too close.
Orangs are far less likely to kill you than a bear. They are not predators, for one.....don't confuse them with chimps.....chimps do eat meat and do hunt, to a certain extent. Not every animal is the same in their ultimate intentions. In fact, great apes are very much like us. They would be the best animal to try and connect with. Except for chimps. They are too much like us, as in.....psycho and unpredictable. The rest of the great apes will co-exist peacefully with you if you learn their "language" and abide by it.
You are fine with orangutans. They're very peaceful and not too strong. There is even a orangutan school, from humans for orangutans (you'll find it here on CZcams). Gorillas are very peaceful animals too, but a lot stronger than orangutans and us, thats why one need to be careful around them. Just stay away from chimps. They are psychopathic assholes^^ and throw very violent temper tantrums.
If the lady who owns the tape had no intention of listening to it or letting anyone else listen to it why the hell did she bother to keep it instead of destroying it?
Maybe as a warning? To know that it is kept somewhere maybe keeps alive (no pun intended) the stark warning left behind from that terrible event. But to also be re-assured that it is out of reach.
Not putting the audio In the movie was the right decision. Way too many sick people want it included to fulfill their desire of hearing the death and violence when it’s not at all necessary. We know what happened, lack of audio doesn’t take away the reality or carnage of it all.
He was told to leave because the bears was going to hibernate.He got himself,his girlfriend and two bears killed.He should have left when told to an also had a gun
@@rosielanders8723 I really don't understand how people can claim those screams are fake...who the fuck would go out of their way to re-enact someone's death like that....Maybe there's been some work done on that audio and like someone pointed out in other comments some layers might have been added with other sounds but other than that I'd say it's legit - clearly his voice.
@@reddykilowatt out in those areas, guns are a part of life due to the huge predators that are out there. Try to step outside your little suburban bubble for a minute
I think the audio should be released to show how bears aren't pets or adorable animals. Just like they show pictures of people dead during car accidents before you become a driver to show you how dangerous these animals can be and remove the romance and show respect to the wilderness.
You have a valid point. They show teenagers (at least they used to) videos of car wrecks and mangled drunks being extricated from their vehicles. This taught me not to drink and drive. We also need to know that petting 800 pound grizzly bears in the wild can be problematic. So yes, please release the audio.
I'm generally of the opinion that anything of public interest like this, which can instruct, or is just part of a documentary effort to detail a persons' existence, should be released. Even relatively gruesome and grisly things. But I'm a bit torn on this. I still feel it should probably be released, but the accounts of everyone who has heard it is that they felt not just haunted by it being a harrowing recording of someone dying in terror, but that most of them felt somewhat ashamed for wanting to hear it out of curiosity, after they had actually heard it. It's more Amie's scream before it cuts out than anything, I would suspect.
Thank you sir... please ignore any negative remarks . you are a remarkable an brilliant film maker.. I loved it !! An your own personal views please continue making other documentaries . Thank you Werner .. again . Linda
I wish it was too. We're making society weak by hiding obscene material from ourselves. We (as humans) used to BE savages way way back in our history. From when we lived in caves and had to bludgeon other tribes with clubs, or when our colonies of the past raped and pillaged other humans. We evolved from savages, but now, we have become fragile wimps, because of our collective agreement as a society, that certain material is too "traumatizing." Screw that. Be stronger.
Loving an animal doesnt mean you have to be physically close to them, or express love the way humans do to each other ie , hugging , kissing, cuddling etc, for if it was so we would have seen them doing it amongst their community , which is not the case. ... and here we are talking about a a wild animal who is horrondously wild and even more powerful.... While people tame , train or domesticate only those animals who are categorised as WILD , but this tragic case shows very clearly how this man was dellusioned into thinking that his understanding, knowledge, concern and affinity is as good as being one amongst them...we are all different species. and JUST CANNOT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT THE ANIMAL THINKS BEFORE GETTING INTO ACTION... IF only humans have a better understanding of their own species and leave the animals to be on their own , is in itself a great way to co exist and be ONE WITH UNIVERSE .,
I completely diagree with Herzog's decision to not play the audio of Treadwell's death. Furthermore, I feel that anyone who even thinks about following in Treadwell's foot steps be required to listen to it.
Its not his tape to or decision to make thats what you people fail to understand. Its not his property so he doesn't get to decide if its included or not. And if an idiot wants to go into the woods and fuck with bears they deserve whatever happens to them. Thats natural selection. Their just doing us all a favor thinning the gene pool.
I totally noticed that too! I thought it was just me so I’m glad you said something! Did you see when the ex girlfriend got the watch, puts it on and then watch their eyes looking around for someone to say “That’s a wrap, or Cut!”
I have to admit I'm quite disgusted by some of the comments here. No folks, to make a documentary does not mean that you throw all material you have at the audience. Film making is about choice and montage - what you are calling for is what Herzog compares in this interview to what a security camera does. Simply showing all that happens isn't art. You are not true film enthusiasts but vultures, sensation seeking, popcorn munching voyeurs with the emotional depth of a rock.
I’m sure if ppl listened to the actual tape, they’d wish they never did. I had a desire to before, but I know it would haunt me and I’m grateful I never will.
You've said the same bs comment 10 times.. some people are different and it wouldn't bother them.. obviously it's a horrible situation but so is WW2.. And lots of other gruesome situations..
The worst park of that whole ordeal, is that ole girl was using a FRYING PAN to take on a freakin grizzly bear. That fact alone is an absolute tragedy. Filming animals out in the wild, no matter how dangerous would be an awesome line of work to get into, but I guarantee that if I were to ever venture into such a occupation, there's not a chance in hell I would do anything like that without a firearm and believe in my heart that anybody in that occupation who does it without a firearm is a complete F∆€πing moron.
Timothy wasn't dumb about that, he knew what he was doing. What is more concerning is that he did not want to defend himself to these bears if it meant harming them.
The guy was a complete Norris! Never took a gun or bear spray. Park rangers advisrd electric fence around his camp but nope tim new best. Ill be ok ive got my frying pan
There's a video with it on youtube - it's a partial one but despite the naysayers in the comments I believe it to be real. You just can't "act" such screams like some people are claiming...it's agony and it's his voice.
There have been instances where a human is able to form a longstanding bond with an animal but it's through extenuating circumstances. The only way you can possibly get a wild animal to come over and physically interact with you warmly, is if you helped that animal (saving it from certain death) there, you'll actually get their trust. Don't go in thinking you can earn that trust in any way. Those instances where you save an animal directly is rare, best to not bother them.
You can never trust a wild animal. A predator's life is a trial of survival every day. You can get away with the trust until you can't. Treadwell survived with bears that were humanized by seeing boaters, photographers and tourist on a regular basis. Once the intercoastal bears showed up (those that weren't used to people) he didn't last very long.
Can someone explain what Mr. Herzog means when he says "she was smarter than that not to destroy it and she kept it in a bank vault", I'm just not able to understand the line of thinking there? Is there any real difference in both actions?
After he advised her to destroy it in his state of shock, she instead simply took it out of her house and distanced herself from it as well as keeping it safe. What I think he means by it being a smarter move, even though the recording should never be released to the public, that does not mean that it should be destroyed as others may need to hear it in the future. Enquiries, experts,etc. And it's there for those people to listen to.
To destroy evidence in a motion isn’t really a logical move. What the directors suggested it was out of shock for what he had just heard. What seems right in the moment may not be the right thing in the long run. As a historian, preserving evidence is much more important. Whether or not there will be a purpose for the video remains to be seen however.
@@longforgotten4823 He might have said that in a state of shock but it really is a possible, plausible solution to some ethical problems surrounding media that can just as easily be argued for from a rational perspective. We are completely able to conceptualize such a scene without having seen the material. I agree that in this case it could have some juridical value, but I won't blame anyone for destroying this kind of footage (except when it's done with the intention to conceal).
@@jzocchio we do not need to see the material which is true. There is no purpose for it to be shown in the documentary but there may be other purposes which having the video on hand is better left for future evidence than anything else. It is two people’s final moments which should not be allowed to be trivialize by the general public or media outlets.
All I can say is I do not envy Werner listening to the actual tape. It must be horrendous when you really think about it. Dont mean it in a being funny way but Im kinda suprised that a q and a is something he really wants to do.
I personally think they should release the tape, or at least part of it. It could very well be a deterrent to anyone considering following Treadwell's path. However, there is a much bigger reason why they should release it. Poor Aimee turned that camera on specifically to document their part of the story, whether she knew she'd die or not, I can't say, but I'm pretty sure she purposely turned that camera on because she wanted a witness to what happened (witnesses being the rest of the world), but also because somehow she felt it was an important part of their story. To keep it silent, to hide it away, defeats Aimee's hope or desire to share the end of their lives with the grizzlies, just as they had shared the beginning and middle of their lives among grizzlies. I dunno, I feel like they're cutting off Aimee's fingers, the fingers that WANTED their last moments to be recorded, and I assume, shared with the world. Maybe she wanted people to understand what grizzlies can do (a cautionary tale), or maybe she wanted the final act caught on film/audio. Maybe that was her way of making their story complete. If Aimee had enough courage to face/fight the bear and accept her fate, shouldn't we have the courage to listen to HER story, their story, their deaths?
The tape is not a piece of the story it is just a consequence of it, it should be kept in the vault and not seen again because it is not necessary for any folks of CZcams to listen to it. Plus his death alone is enough of a warning to people like that some horror tape is not needed.
I’m sure if ppl listened to the actual tape, they’d wish they never did. I had a desire to before, but I know it would haunt me and I’m grateful I never will.
@@adambosnialalo Well actually you're wrong because people have been getting mauled by bears long before and AFTER his death. So, clearly the public DOES need to be scared more.
Mr. Herzog is so right. Timothy once spoke to a bear rather strongly to not charge him when he was just passing by it. That was the right thing he did, but he never should have approached a wild bear to touch it for any reason. That was disrespecting their personal space of safety. And you must be prepared and knowledgeable about how to teach the bear proper manners so they don't touch you in the wrong way. He treated the bears like harmless, domesticated dogs instead of the wild animals they were. One danger sign was when, in several videos he kept saying that where he was was "his" land. No, it was not. It was merely a place he was sharing with wildlife. Throughout the 13 years of videos, the bears never gave any indication that they wanted to come over to him and they would have done so with someone they felt safe around. They merely tolerated his intrusions.
from redit 2 months ago: SocialInventions · 2 mo. ago This audio is 100% real. We know there is an audio tape, and we know the person with the tape kept the tape and hasn't destroyed it. We know the tape has been in multiple hands from the police, to the coroner, to Jewel Palovak. We know Jewel did not destroy the tape because she trotted it out years later for Werner Herzog for his documentary. Audio tapes get leaked all the time - it's just human nature. I bet you dozens and dozens of people have heard the original. I've heard people say there are lots of fake audios floating around blah blah blah. No. There is only one audio, and a few different remixes of that one audio. There is one audio, and it's real - it has 1.9M views on CZcams at the time of writing this, and that's all I'll say. This is, more or less, what the "iT's FaKe" crew would have you believe: A person with a perfect understanding of the circumstances of this event - and expert level sound staging, recording, and editing skills - either happened to sound just like Timothy - or was able to recruit an actor who sounds just like Timothy - who then went on to put up an absolutely stellar, chilling, Oscar winning performance of the exact events - extracted purely from their own imagination of what his frantic screams would have sounded like. These guys were also able to recruit a woman who sounds just like Tim's gf, and got her to go on and put up an absolutely stellar, chilling, Oscar winning performance of the exact events - extracted purely from her imagination of what her frantic screams would have sounded like. This group collaborated, scripted, practiced, and recorded a stunning fake audio - in completely secrecy, then anonymously leaked the audio, thereby going through immense effort to carry out an oddly cruel act, for no reason or identifiable motive whatsoever. They then proceeded to say absolutely nothing about it for 10+ years, and were never outed by each other or those around them, or in any way discovered for this ridiculous, elaborate performance. Some of the "debunking"responses here are irritating me: "It's fake - iM aN aUdIo EnGiNeEr:" Lol okay bud. There is no such thing as an "audio engineer" in the same vain as an electrical or mechanical engineer. An audio engineer is just someone who records and mixes sound on programs like Soundforge. There is no credential by which one can obtain that qualifies one to speak about what we're hearing in this audio. "It's fake - tHeRe iS aN eChO:" So fucking what? A loud ass bear growl can easily get an echo outside. Check out this video. These two bears are fighting and growling - the bears sound exactly the same as in the leaked audio - and there is an echo. The camera was in a tent, and there are many rumors that this is a second hand recording of the actual recording. We don't know why there is an echo. But the sound quality, timber, echo, and any other audio artifacts tell us NOTHING about the realness of this audio. Some people here are saying it's fake because it sounds like stock audio of bear growling or stock audio of rain. Lol, you all know that stock audio is just a recording of the real thing, right? The point of stock audio is to sound real. If it sounds like stock audio, that doesn't mean it's real or fake. It just means it's a recording of bears and rain. "It's fake because it doesn't match what happened:" No, this is EXACLTY how it happened. Stop referencing blogs and the documentary. Go do some big boy research by reading the news reports from 2003 where the actual investigators talk about what they heard. Tim screamed and told his gf to come out, he told her to hit it with a pan, she told him to play dead, then she told him to fight back, Tim kept screaming the bear kept growling. Also, Herzog has never confirmed that the leaked audio was fake and not the same thing he listened to on the documentary with Jewel. Where are you people getting this? Ya'll just listened to a man get eaten alive on audio. That's is. Just deal with it. You should have shoved your morbid curiousity back up your own asses where it belongs. But instead y'all went hunting for it, and y'all found exactly wtf you were looking for. Now be adults and deal with it.
@Marlon If you can't deal with the harsh reality then you could just plug your ears. That tape is an important piece of history, regardless of how disturbing to some it may be. To hear playback of the actual event does not mean to condone it or take some form of pleasure from it, but it would instead one to accept and study the harsh reality of what really happened.
@@montag4516 Exactly. Furthermore, my point was more begging the question of who is Werner to play God? You mean to tell me that HE should hear it, then decree that no one else should? Who died & mad HIM God? If it wasn't fit for anyone else to hear, then HE shouldn't have heard it. What a pompous, self absorbent a-hole
@@montag4516 Don't pretend that your motivation is "for history" and not morbid curiosity. We all know the types of people who congregate to these sort of videos.
Eventually that tapes magnetic memory will decay and the audio will be partially/completely irrecoverable if his family ever wanted to do that since it probably hasn't been digitally archived
I think if there’s only one copy and the lady has it in a safety deposit box and refuses to play it again, I very much doubt the CZcams one is real. There’s a few so please could you send me the link.
It is real, but obviously not the whole thing. Ignore all the "AuDiO enGinEeRs" in the comments over there claiming it's fake. You can clearly hear that it's his voice and that he's in agony. It's blood-curdling.
@@lolcowindustries Not likely. The shorter version is probably from the Alaskan authorities, who made a copy of the recording before releasing Treadwell's effects to his friend/partner. Someone released a portion of the copy, anonymously, and it's been circulating ever since, unverifiable, but very likely authentic. Why would it be faked? No benefit to the faker.
I want to know how it got leaked on here and is on other Internet sites now so? 🤷🏾♂️🤔 After listening to it it's bloody terrifying 😣 reminds me of films like The Edge, into the grizzly maze and backcountry.
It's more tragic than it is scary. It's kind of similar to _Into the Wild_ where Chris McCandless abandoned his belongings and family, and decided to live off the land.
@@1805movie I agree with you and Andrew combined. It's a film of tragic human stupidity. Treadwell had a death wish by bear and the bear obliged. Unfortunately his girlfriend was also eaten. Plus they had to find the bear and destroy it. Tragic all the way around. The bear did help clean up the human gene pool. Thank you bear.
It didn't sitf well with me the cavalier attitude of the interviewee towards this man's death. She appeared to find his death as fodder for her interview.
THis guy died of sheer stupidity and I guess thats ok if he wanted to be bear food and get the bear killed as a result. But him taking that girl out there with no means to protect her is just something I cannot get my head around. Taking his girl to the most horrific death anyone could suffer is just too far out of our rational thinking ..... In the Audio he is screaming for HER to help him...... Its tough to listen to but just drives the point home further.... He was an idiot and completely unequipped to deal with the situation he put them both in.
"In the Audio he is screaming for HER to help him" Did you listen to the tape or how do you know? I just watched it yesterday and he actually told her to run away, according to the coroner and the director.
@@Callamatteomatisch Yes at one point he does scream to run away , before that he says to come help him , he is being killed. The entire recording is 6 minutes long and it seems that you get a little different part depending on which one you listen to.
He didn’t force her, she had a will all her own and decided to risk her life going into bear territory with him, which of course she knew was dangerous and deep down stupid
@@Rafa-uj2oi sit with a timer 6 minutes is a VERY long time timothy and Amy were both mostly eaten they found timothy left arm with his watch on his wrist and the rest of him was a literal skeleton Amys remains were put into a smaller trash bag ...there were scraps of clothing with some flesh and unidentifiable "parts" ....the bear scalped timothy and the coroner found exstreamly deep scraps in the skull from its teeth and it tore his left thigh and buttock off this was after killing amy it came back for Tim he passed away and the bear ate them both before being killed by wildlife rangers and forest service put the bear down in the film i think its "grinch" that killed him
Destroy the tape. You don’t learn anything from closing your eyes. His girlfriend apparently tried to record what happened to tell their story. We should learn from this as to what could have been done different to prevent this from happening again.
I think they should release the tape when the friend dies. That way it still respects her not having to stubble on it. I saw a comment on here about it being important because Aimee wanted it to be recorded, and I completely agree with that. 💯. She was uncomfortable about what was going on. You can see it in every shot she’s in, she’s always hiding her face, covered by a hood…she’s always extremely uncomfortable looking. She’s usually shivering and cold because it’s raining in a few of the rare videos you see her. He tried to make it look like he was completely alone out there so he kept her out of everything. I think that was her way of telling the world that she was there, and she was strong enough to try to beat a bear over the head with a frying pan to get her delusional boyfriend out of a bears mouth and try to save them so they could get the fuck out of a place she didn’t want to be at all. She was all about protecting nature and shit but she was NOT at all ok with chilling with the bears and camping on their main hibernation den/hunting ground/ main bear highway/ when they were still hungry. Fuck, he possibly even filmed the exact bear that ate him trying to dive at the bottom of the river to get a piece of dead salmon. They were showing every sign that they were still hungry and it was time to start fattening up. Hell yeah, I know, let’s camp out right in the middle of their path to everything they do in life. We’ll be just fine. I feel like the tape should be released, there are much more twisted things online, video and audio, of a bunch of shit that happened to people that they didn’t ask for. I don’t think Tim ( and absolutely not ) his girlfriend deserved that, but he definitely had to know in his heart he was performing gross negligence.
He said he would die for these bears ' he did . He died for something he believed in ' not too many people can say that. But nature is nature and it's very harsh sometimes sometimes hard lessons are learned ' to some there's no second chances.
But the bear also died because of him. If he really loved so much this animals, he should have let them alone instead of provoking and putting them in danger
i watched tons of timothy treadwell stuff. i am a firm believer that he was on methamphetamine pretty much 24/7. that is mainly why he always felt like he had magic skills. like he was above everyone else, and had powers over the bear.
@@ayman-dv6cy he was. i did tons of meth in college, like 30 years ago. he is exactly what i remember other people high on it. i remember myself feeling so important. like it was all about me. big issues to. felt i could change bad things all by myself, and did a lot of absolutely terrifying things thinking so. he was definitely on meth,. AND meth with no sleep can make you go insane, sometimes permanently depending on how much you do, and sometimes just for a week or so. your body needs sleep, and without you go nuts. he was nuts. i doubt a normal person could do half the things he did, and sadly he was so off he caused a lot of bears to die. you cannot ever befriend bears. they will die after that. lots of reasons, they eat people, get to comfy around them and boom one gets set off-bear dead!
as a German Biologist and Pythagorean - I found the DVD of the Herzog Docu film in our public Library - and was shocked - how far our degeneration has come. An infantile deluded Phantasia Land kid - playing with his teddy bear toys - pretendtng to be a magic Bear whisperer who knows how to live with them - and a sort of religious delusion to be protected by his saintly approach. Which was purely egotistic to satisfy his infantile Phantasies and playing with toys. Those wild animals may become neurotic with humans invading their space - which makes the story worse. In my view it is a description how an entire Society gets stuck in Infancy and refuses to mature and to grow up. Then even a 78 year old President may still be an Infant. I have no hope for Humanity- We race to Self extinction...
Yeah, Capitalism sucks pretty bad. Keeps one class of people stuck, while another class moves around as much as they want. All while using up natural recourses without a care in the world.
The woman he's talking about is very smart as he said. It would be a very traumatic thing to listen to for anyone who knows him and her having it in her house would always lead to the temptation to want to listen to something that could destroy her. But at the same time when everyone he knew and loved is gone, it might be good for people to be able to hear it, people who don't know him just to understand the actual dangers and risks of being in close proximity to grizzlies. Similar to watching the results of drunk drivers' actions to educate people of the dangers of road accidents i think the audio of him being eaten would at least let people know what the risks actually are of these dangerous creatures.
Timothy Treadwell never listened to the DNR. He always thought the bears where friendly. And he was there friend. No matter how many times they told him to stay away from them he did not. I heard the time and one other to it was horrible.
There's a bit of self-serving motivation on the part of this filmmaker in him elevating the discussion as though this was a documentary on some legitimate and noble undertaking. In truth, it was a chronicling of a slow, but tragic self-inflicted death by a troubled person who probably needed help, but got nothing from those around him except encouragement to keep doing what he was doing.
Horseshit. Herzog has nothing to prove. There's no motivation strong enough to want to be a part of this story than the artist's call to illuminate the incomprehensible.
Please, what do you think about living with bears without an accident ? 13 years is a very long time and no bear hurts him... Only a wonder ??! ....thank you.
That tape should be copied and digitized asap to avoid deterioration. Sure, dont release it all you want, but at least transfer it to a longer lasting medium.
Have some respect, he did what no one else has done. Then he made an error of judgement whilst going through mental health issues & not understanding the new situation, that had huge consequences for him & her. R.I.P.
Respect him for what? What he was doing not only put every other human that watches bears in danger, but also put the bears in danger. If he starts acclimating the bears to human presence, it WILL eventually be the death of those bears
@@morrnmanderson7376 Meaning "Have some respect" for someone that has died in a terrible way instead of hating on them. That is somebody's son, somebody's brother. He had mental health issues, Everyone makes mistakes some small errors can have small consequences some small errors can have huge consequences. Would you want someone to judge you if you looked the wrong way or got distracted at a road junction & killed yourself & others. He was not there being malicious & most of what people know would have come from this documentary designed as entertainment they can include or leave out whatever they want. It's ridiculous people are calling him a "failed actor" in the documentary as if its a bad thing.
When I first heard about this tape, I had a morbid curiosity about it but understood why Timothy's friend didn't want to share it. But after talking to several people, even otherwise intelligent people, who think bears aren't that dangerous, it infuriates me that she won't release it. Yeah, people shouldn't have to hear a guy getting ripped to shreds to know better, but it seems like some really do. Plus, as someone pointed out, Aimee probably recorded it with the intent that people hear it.
Yeah I think it has more value for the public than something like the Christine Chubbuck tape. I don't know why it was given to her either and not his next of kin.
I definitely don't think she intended for people to hear her boyfriend being mauled to death. She may not have even known he was being attacked when she began recording. She never took the lens cap off, she might have been setting up to record the bear but dropped the camera in shock after it attacked Timothy.
There are plenty of images online for that sort of thing. Google images can show you "man survives bear attack". It's a middle-aged man who looks like he's just had his face blown off by a shotgun. Only one eye stares out at you, through curtains of tangled skin and flesh, the rest is gone. He survived. Besides for one eye, his face was restored. There are many more like this that I have seen. Big cats at least have the sense to kill you off quickly with a bite to the neck. Bears tear off random pieces of flesh and scratch you up with ten claws the size of a man's fingers.
If you think that a decades-old audio recording of a dude getting mauled will have a noticeable impact on anything, in an age where we can watch 4k videos of the most horrific incidents & injuries, you're tripping.
I can understand why bears were extinct 200 years ago in my country. Too many ppl would have had grudges against bears, losing friends and family. Thats why they were wiped out
Ooh, that joke at the beginning was cringe!!
I heard no joke...?
I thought it was pretty funny
Some jokes I cannot bear.
She should have added to that gallow's humor "...and he died doing what he loved. Feeding the bears."
The death of Timothy Treadwell was not nearly as tragic as that bombed opening joke.
Oh wow that is a hell of a funny comment. Loved it 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Awww, Anne has had better comedic moments
She was stupid and no one was laughing
Warner clearly wasn’t feeling it either. Epic bomb.
That was something Michael Scott would say 😂
Almost seemed like she was looking for a laugh “if you haven’t seen the video.. he gets killed” (said with a slight smirk)
Max Cameron True. I had the exact same impression.
yeah, that was inappropriate... not a laughing matter.
I agree. I found that odd.
@@jennross6466 kinda asked for it didn't he? He even said he'd be killed by them. 🤷
good old female humor
He makes documentaries like no other, a true gentleman.
Yes . He did a very haunting one on life on death row in the state of Texas. I like his movies too like the Wrath of God, Fitzgeraldo and Nosferatu
@@robertmanfredthurrigl9424 Yes Sir, I saw the death row one.
Yes, i agree. He is a rare breed indeed. His many documentaries are 2nd to none . Recently i saw 'The Fire Within' which was amazing as much as it was apocalyptic . His other work on Life on Death Row episodes made very challenging viewing also. To the Ends of the Earth was also very good on people who live in the arctic . His cinematic films are great too especially Wrath of God and the remake of Nosferatu and the Bad Leutenant
@@robertmanfredthurrigl9424 I'll have to check those out, thank you.
You wont regret it .Are you OK reading subtitles ? Most of his cinema films were in German , perhaps a bit dated now , except for the Bad Leutenant which was more recent and his first try at Hollywood and has Nicolas Cage in it . I appreciate Herzog's complexities and many layers . He is not some one easy to pin down and put in a box like some sell out like Gremlin Spielberg who only has profit in mind. Herzog's projects are that of a true artist who does not care for towing the line . One of the last adventurers , especially when it comes to picking locations, subjects or scripts ! Does not care for trends .
You just know that audio is coming to light sooner or later
Im glad she didn't destroy the tape. I honestly think that if anyone ever tries to be as reckless as Timothy was, if someone tries to follow in his footsteps and makes the same mistakes he did, that they should listen to the tape, to realize the reality of what they are doing. I feel like maybe if Timothy understood the reality of what dying that way would be like and the danger he was putting the woman he loved in, maybe this wouldn't of happened. Maybe this horrific audio tape could save someone else's life down the line.
He understood this death was a possibility and a reality.
Do u know where u can listen to it??
@@tomabram8629 we can't, the person who has the tape has said she will make sure it never gets heard by anyone. Apparently it's horrific. That said, there are audios on CZcams claiming to be the tape but I think it's all fakes
@@Juwlz it was released, easy to find on CZcams.
@@sandywhat2429 yes but I also don't think he was in the mental state to fully understand that danger. Watching footage, he seems very manic at times and had a very warped perception of his actual relationship with the bears. He saw many of them as his friends, he believed he had these deep bonded relationships with them and this skewed perception mixed with his mental health struggles that weren't really being addressed, made him take risks that I don't think he would have taken had he been thinking clearly
Treadwell's attempted interactions with bears shows how childlike he really was. The way he talked to them, went up close to them, as if he thought he could be friends with them. Children attribute human qualities to animals and inanimate objects such as toys, and Treadwell did the same thing.
Yeah, but there's something very seriously wrong with one's critical thinking skills when one cannot separate an inanimate object, a toy, from a real life bear!
A child doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, safety and dangerous, poor analogy
@@cityofchamps66 not really. He was EXTREMELY childish! With the park service, as well as his prior job. He had nothing but a child mentality for the bears.
@@cityofchamps66 got him eaten alive as well as this fiance!!
"HIS"
He said he wanted to protect bears yet his stupid actions got himself , his girlfriend and 2 bears killed..
I wont speak ill of the dead but this was a disaster waiting to happen
He was mental. He wasn’t saving bears!! How was he saving bears? He was disillusioned. Tragic death but you don’t live and camp in grizzly territory & somehow think they have accepted you. No one should die that way but most are smart enough to not put themselves into the situation.
Like how was he protecting bears? He was interfering with wild animals the minute he sees people throwing rocks and doing stuff to the bears and what does he do? He hides and does nothing lol so please tell me how he's protecting them? Hes batshit crazy thats what he was someone with bipolar who should've been getting psychiatric care
I feel the girlfriend made her own choice here. I don’t believe she feared bears enough to say “Well fuck no, I’m not doing that.” 🧸🤷♀️
What was Treadwell "going to protect" bears from? They were in a Bear Paradise, great climate, plenty of food, plenty of hunting. I can't imagine a better habitat for a bear to live in than Alaska. Too bad Treadwell didn't just leave the bears alone.. in peace.
Someone in the film actually said he probably would’ve been completely happy if a bear ate him and only him while he was out there and no one ever found him. I’m inclined to believe that simply for the fact that he felt like bears were his only calling in life and he wanted to live doing nothing else but that. I think that would’ve been a better ending for him but his girlfriend also dying and two bears getting killed was the tragic part about this whole thing.
Werner Herzog is the best director of documentaries ever!
That’s just like your opinion dude
o B The owner of the tape didn't want the audio in the documentary. When Herzog listened to the audio, he knew it shouldn't be in the documentary
@Ted Bundy You still can't just put the audio of two people being eaten alive by a bear in a documentary like that.
What about David Attenborough?
Ever hear of Ken Burns? Give him a try and you might change your mind.
What amazes me most is that after two decades no pictures ever surfaced of Treadwell and his girlfriend post attack.
Yeah as morbid as it is i really wanna see
@@TheGuroLOLITA Theres a picture of the bear cut open, nothing interesting though.
@@alexvalin9085 where's the picture
They are at the medical examiner's office, and very little chance of them ever, ever making it onto the Internet.....unless someone can find an unscrupulous employee who will take some cash over moral correctness.
@@adrunkgorillawithalobotomy353 and then in other video it says their remainings arrived in plastic cover.
Only head with spinal cord was attached and one arm.
I can't imagine being out there without a weapon.
i cant imagine thinking camping in tents in bear territory is a place i want to be in,. or near. i love bears, but they are one of the handful of animals that scare me seriously bad. i was at one time thinking of moving to montana or colorado. bears were one of the reason i decided no. so were cougars. i always live on at least 20 acres in the stix, and those animals are there.plus i have livestock and that would have been like ringing the dinner bell. i was retiring early (45) and wanting to move to more land.so i googled cheap country property and spent weeks deciding on what state i would move to. in the end i decided texas. land is crazy cheap, incredibly gorgeous as long as you dont go east (desert). we have wild hogs and they can be dangerous but mostly will stay away from humans. and snakes. gosh do we have snakes. UGH. weirdly enuff where i used to live copperheads and water moccasins, yea too many! one year i killed 17 venomous ones. (dont kill non venomous even tho they give me a heart attack when i first run into one) LOL. the best year-2 and 2 dogs bitten by snakes that year also. now i moved to where there is timber rattlers, and that is terrifying. they stay in groups, have nests. omg that is my worst nightmare. a nest of venomous snakes! but i have been here for 2 1/2 years , and only found one skin, and saw the tip of a snake (bright white tail)??? running away from me. i looked to try to identify it, ??/still have no idea???it was so bright i wasnt sure for a minute if it was a rats tail. but afterwards i was like calm, and thought, no def. snake. what kind? unknown. rattlers do tons more damage and are tons more dangerous if you live alone. you dont have much time to be helped. with copperheads/water moccasins, yes you need to go to the hospital, but you will probably be fine. scarring, and possible loss of digits, and some pain, hell yea, but rattlers ohhh wee! thankfully and luckily i have an old time country vet who carrys rattler antivenon. no others vets i knew ever did cuz it costs the patient like 1,800 dollars per vial, and it has a short shelf life. but this vet has it. thankyou so much!!! worried big time about my dogs. i have a big year round creek on the very back side of my 20 acres and i ampretty sure the rattlers stay there, plus i have about 2 acres mostly cleared, still wooded, but no scrub or brush, keep lawn very short, actually i mow it crazy low to kill it cuz the sandy dirt is super comfy to walk on and also cool for the dogs in summer. plus less mowing for me, and it looks beautiful doesnt look like a skanky yard. so far so good!
@@hippychic7546 bears and venomous snakes terrify me.
Same, shit I dont even go to the next room without at least a handgun.
Why would you enter the space of one of the alrgest predators on the planet in the first place? I'ts the same as breaking into someones hosue and then shooting him because you feel threatened by the owner.
Yeah guy was an idiot
Treadwell's empathy was very much needed by those bears. What they didn't need was his actual presence and physical contact. That's where his own delusionist thinking came in. Love the bears from afar. Be an activist in preserving their habitat and in keeping humans from encroaching too closely and ruining their ability to exist. But living with and among them and attempting to interact with them was his fatal mistake.
even bear handlers know that the bears are extremely dangerous even if these bears are passive and friendly to the trainer since it was a cub. they don't let their guard down and they are ready to have the bear put down if needed
@Nada2wii I never argued that fact. Your purpose for posting?
Why? They rip shit apart to live. This selective morality never fails to make me laugh. There's nothing beautiful about a predator doing what comes natural. Unless you're a sadist and horror makes you hard.
Resident your advice is in the top five best comments. 👍 Tim was creating his own Hollywood. He was broken from not getting the cheers acting gig. Picked the most dangerous area to try to get fame. But ultimately it worked but in a tragic manner.
@@Innomen well he was a masochist but the bear just didn’t understand his safe word.
This intetview, as well as his dialogue over Treadwells rant against the Park Service is on point.
Werner Herzog is a class act.
Thanks for the amazing interview! My art has been greatly inspired by this documentary and I think about this story often.
Gosh I'd love to see your artwork!
Haunted by.
He needed to have a self defense weapon in case of this kind of emergency.He would only use it as a last resort, a frying pan is like giving the bear a head massage to bad very sad.
He said he would never hurt a bear even if that meant his own death.
Lol. Im pretty sure people say a lot of things but sure as hell he would have killed that bear with anything suitable if he had the chance.
In USA owning weapons is legal, no one should get into bear country without guns.
The thing is it wasn’t even necessary to hurt the bear, a bear-spray would’ve sufficed
@@Rafa-uj2oi Bear spray would not have worked on this bear. That's a myth. That bear was hungry and angry.
He had... A frying pan
There's such a morbid curiosity that burns in me to want to hear that tape. Lol.
I am resisting the urge.
Do you really want to get into snuff films?
@@blenderbanana Lol..no. I'm pretty sure we can distinquish between being morbidly curious about hearing that tape and watching snuff films m8.
Right? 👁👃👁
@@Freqsheux What's the difference? Where is the line between Morbid & Horrible?
@@blenderbanana The line I'm trying to distinguish here doesn't have anything to do with morbid and horrible. I'm saying there is a big difference between being morbidly curious about something like this and having the desire to watch *_Snuff Films_* which are completely in their own league of fuckedness. Lol.
@@blenderbanana I would hope the difference would be fairly clear...are you into snuff films? 👁👄👁
"A tragic philosophical misunderstanding of what wild nature is all about"- The story of modern Man.
You have to know going into a Herzog doc that it's going to be heavily shaped by his worldview (which romanticizes reality in its own way). At the same time, that "edit" is quite masterful because the viewer imagines the worst possible screaming -- absence is present, and all that.
I agree that that kind of interaction with bears is a philosophical misunderstanding of nature. It will occur time and time again. It's extremely tempting to anthropomorphize animals and to empathize with them in the wrong way. Lately I've been watching videos of orangutans and my heart just melts and I want to hug them and feed them, but of course they are wild animals who absolutely do not need my love and affection, and who could kill me at any time. What they really need is for sentimental people like myself to stay away from them and to help maintain their habitat without coming too close.
I don’t know what you just wrote but I just wanna say I love you. Will you marry me
@@eddiew2325 😂😂
Nature is nature. There are no "misunderstandings" with apex predators.
Orangs are far less likely to kill you than a bear. They are not predators, for one.....don't confuse them with chimps.....chimps do eat meat and do hunt, to a certain extent. Not every animal is the same in their ultimate intentions. In fact, great apes are very much like us. They would be the best animal to try and connect with. Except for chimps. They are too much like us, as in.....psycho and unpredictable. The rest of the great apes will co-exist peacefully with you if you learn their "language" and abide by it.
You are fine with orangutans. They're very peaceful and not too strong.
There is even a orangutan school, from humans for orangutans (you'll find it here on CZcams).
Gorillas are very peaceful animals too, but a lot stronger than orangutans and us, thats why one need to be careful around them.
Just stay away from chimps. They are psychopathic assholes^^ and throw very violent temper tantrums.
If the lady who owns the tape had no intention of listening to it or letting anyone else listen to it why the hell did she bother to keep it instead of destroying it?
Maybe as a warning? To know that it is kept somewhere maybe keeps alive (no pun intended) the stark warning left behind from that terrible event. But to also be re-assured that it is out of reach.
She claims to not have listened to it, but I guarantee you that she's probably listened to at least a few times.
I guess she intends to let it go public after shes dead and basically no one else is left around to get upset by it
@@Marcelo-rv7rnyou garantee nothing ma boi
@@Chal8 but I did
Not putting the audio In the movie was the right decision. Way too many sick people want it included to fulfill their desire of hearing the death and violence when it’s not at all necessary. We know what happened, lack of audio doesn’t take away the reality or carnage of it all.
Agree 100%. Well said.
He listened to it…why is that ok?
@@2ared952 Because she let him. She is not letting you or I.
Totally right. Anyone who hears it will regret it once they do.
its my right to hear it!
He was told to leave because the bears was going to hibernate.He got himself,his girlfriend and two bears killed.He should have left when told to an also had a gun
Most great documentary filmmakers have a voice like Werner's
I love the way, Herzog looks at things
He taped for 14 years .was delusional .
So the audio you hear on CZcams is a fake
Yes.as fake as a mother in law hug
I'm still not sure, but it's strange that none of the voices or bear sounds overlap each other.
@@rosielanders8723 I really don't understand how people can claim those screams are fake...who the fuck would go out of their way to re-enact someone's death like that....Maybe there's been some work done on that audio and like someone pointed out in other comments some layers might have been added with other sounds but other than that I'd say it's legit - clearly his voice.
I used to live in Wyoming for the first 30 years of my life I can’t imagine walking around In the wilderness without my 4570
Is that a Yamaha or a Casio?
Murica
oh look at me with my big gun. making up for my other shortcomings. 🤣🤣
@@reddykilowatt out in those areas, guns are a part of life due to the huge predators that are out there. Try to step outside your little suburban bubble for a minute
@@doobas2171 lol right its like living on the African savannah. With a Circle K. 😂😂
I think the audio should be released to show how bears aren't pets or adorable animals. Just like they show pictures of people dead during car accidents before you become a driver to show you how dangerous these animals can be and remove the romance and show respect to the wilderness.
I agree.
You have a valid point. They show teenagers (at least they used to) videos of car wrecks and mangled drunks being extricated from their vehicles. This taught me not to drink and drive. We also need to know that petting 800 pound grizzly bears in the wild can be problematic. So yes, please release the audio.
I'm generally of the opinion that anything of public interest like this, which can instruct, or is just part of a documentary effort to detail a persons' existence, should be released. Even relatively gruesome and grisly things. But I'm a bit torn on this. I still feel it should probably be released, but the accounts of everyone who has heard it is that they felt not just haunted by it being a harrowing recording of someone dying in terror, but that most of them felt somewhat ashamed for wanting to hear it out of curiosity, after they had actually heard it. It's more Amie's scream before it cuts out than anything, I would suspect.
I wish they would I would love to hear them scream
@@oldwarmonger8750 bit weird mate
I can't believe she cracked a joke about two people who were eaten alive.
Bear 141 killed Tim. Bus 142 is where McCandless died. If you're in Alaska and own ANYTHING with 143 on it, RUN!
I think that this audio tape should be released to realise the consequences of poor decisions and stupidity of a human being
The tape should be a brutal warning to people who think they can play with nature.
Thank you sir... please ignore any negative remarks . you are a remarkable an brilliant film maker.. I loved it !! An your own personal views please continue making other documentaries . Thank you Werner .. again . Linda
You think Werner Herzog come to read random CZcams comments in random clips someone else posted if him talking?
I am glad the audio is not in the film. It would have traumatised me.
If you want I can hold you in my arms forever and ever
I wish it was. Woulda been a cool effect.
I wish it was too. We're making society weak by hiding obscene material from ourselves.
We (as humans) used to BE savages way way back in our history. From when we lived in caves and had to bludgeon other tribes with clubs, or when our colonies of the past raped and pillaged other humans.
We evolved from savages, but now, we have become fragile wimps, because of our collective agreement as a society, that certain material is too "traumatizing."
Screw that. Be stronger.
Justin Turner thats some cringe ass bs right there. No one thinks you’re hard.
@@justinturner8219 edginess is always and will remain extremely embarrassing and super cringe, fkn virgin
Why do people want to hear the real audio? Savages.
I love his analytical views.
Loving an animal doesnt mean you have to be physically close to them, or express love the way humans do to each other ie , hugging , kissing, cuddling etc, for if it was so we would have seen them doing it amongst their community , which is not the case. ... and here we are talking about a a wild animal who is horrondously wild and even more powerful....
While people tame , train or domesticate only those animals who are categorised as WILD , but this tragic case shows very clearly how this man was dellusioned into thinking that his understanding, knowledge, concern and affinity is as good as being one amongst them...we are all different species. and JUST CANNOT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT THE ANIMAL THINKS BEFORE GETTING INTO ACTION...
IF only humans have a better understanding of their own species and leave the animals to be on their own , is in itself a great way to co exist and be ONE WITH UNIVERSE .,
I completely diagree with Herzog's decision to not play the audio of Treadwell's death. Furthermore, I feel that anyone who even thinks about following in Treadwell's foot steps be required to listen to it.
Its not his tape to or decision to make thats what you people fail to understand. Its not his property so he doesn't get to decide if its included or not. And if an idiot wants to go into the woods and fuck with bears they deserve whatever happens to them. Thats natural selection. Their just doing us all a favor thinning the gene pool.
@@BrokeSpike IT WAS IN THE MOVIE! But, if you want to go play nature boy in the woods with the bears, please be my guest!
@@BrokeSpike Furthermore, if Herzog felt it was so wrong for it to be heard, why did he listen to it???
@@calvinlong1265 he listened to it in order to decide whether it should be in the film or not. After hearing he decided absolutely not
@@Morrow45105 OMG! Do you expect me to believe that the time he listened to it in the film was the first time he heard it???
Tim would have wanted the audio released so that people can learn to leave the bears alone
The interviews in the film seem like they were acting....anyone else notice?
Yes, Jewel was clearly acting. She has a part in the making of the documentary.
I totally noticed that too! I thought it was just me so I’m glad you said something! Did you see when the ex girlfriend got the watch, puts it on and then watch their eyes looking around for someone to say “That’s a wrap, or Cut!”
Love his voice 😌
Sounds like Arnie’s dad 😆
I have to admit I'm quite disgusted by some of the comments here. No folks, to make a documentary does not mean that you throw all material you have at the audience. Film making is about choice and montage - what you are calling for is what Herzog compares in this interview to what a security camera does. Simply showing all that happens isn't art. You are not true film enthusiasts but vultures, sensation seeking, popcorn munching voyeurs with the emotional depth of a rock.
Damn Peter. I’m gonna go kill myself now.
@@toejam6941 it's a free country, do what you like. :-)
Peter Pagel..
Lol. I’m not even sure why/what I commented that.
I agree.and as Werner said in another video about exploiting the death audio!! (You just don't do it)
In other words he's trying to state most people are simple and just seeking entertainment from a dark place.
I’m sure if ppl listened to the actual tape, they’d wish they never did. I had a desire to before, but I know it would haunt me and I’m grateful I never will.
You've said the same bs comment 10 times.. some people are different and it wouldn't bother them.. obviously it's a horrible situation but so is WW2.. And lots of other gruesome situations..
@@brettbarber4593 I said it twice, are you like going through every comment lol? Weird
The worst park of that whole ordeal, is that ole girl was using a FRYING PAN to take on a freakin grizzly bear. That fact alone is an absolute tragedy. Filming animals out in the wild, no matter how dangerous would be an awesome line of work to get into, but I guarantee that if I were to ever venture into such a occupation, there's not a chance in hell I would do anything like that without a firearm and believe in my heart that anybody in that occupation who does it without a firearm is a complete F∆€πing moron.
Timothy wasn't dumb about that, he knew what he was doing. What is more concerning is that he did not want to defend himself to these bears if it meant harming them.
@@MrTechTalkTutorials he didn't know what he was doing. he was hugging wild animals. he was going to be bear poop.
@@MrTechTalkTutorials He didn't know what he was doing. That's why he was killed and eaten
The guy was a complete Norris! Never took a gun or bear spray. Park rangers advisrd electric fence around his camp but nope tim new best. Ill be ok ive got my frying pan
@@jamesburton668 hahahahahahaha what an idiot
We need to hear the real audio.
There's a video with it on youtube - it's a partial one but despite the naysayers in the comments I believe it to be real. You just can't "act" such screams like some people are claiming...it's agony and it's his voice.
I wonder why Treadwell's girlfriend would decide to pick up the camera at a time like that?
She is so dumb that it makes this seem fake but...its not.
she was a furry.
There have been instances where a human is able to form a longstanding bond with an animal but it's through extenuating circumstances. The only way you can possibly get a wild animal to come over and physically interact with you warmly, is if you helped that animal (saving it from certain death) there, you'll actually get their trust. Don't go in thinking you can earn that trust in any way. Those instances where you save an animal directly is rare, best to not bother them.
He seemed to do alright with the foxes.
You can never trust a wild animal. A predator's life is a trial of survival every day. You can get away with the trust until you can't. Treadwell survived with bears that were humanized by seeing boaters, photographers and tourist on a regular basis. Once the intercoastal bears showed up (those that weren't used to people) he didn't last very long.
With beasts such as bears or lions it's only when you raise them since they are cubs.
Can someone explain what Mr. Herzog means when he says "she was smarter than that not to destroy it and she kept it in a bank vault", I'm just not able to understand the line of thinking there? Is there any real difference in both actions?
After he advised her to destroy it in his state of shock, she instead simply took it out of her house and distanced herself from it as well as keeping it safe. What I think he means by it being a smarter move, even though the recording should never be released to the public, that does not mean that it should be destroyed as others may need to hear it in the future. Enquiries, experts,etc. And it's there for those people to listen to.
To destroy evidence in a motion isn’t really a logical move. What the directors suggested it was out of shock for what he had just heard. What seems right in the moment may not be the right thing in the long run. As a historian, preserving evidence is much more important. Whether or not there will be a purpose for the video remains to be seen however.
@@longforgotten4823 He might have said that in a state of shock but it really is a possible, plausible solution to some ethical problems surrounding media that can just as easily be argued for from a rational perspective. We are completely able to conceptualize such a scene without having seen the material. I agree that in this case it could have some juridical value, but I won't blame anyone for destroying this kind of footage (except when it's done with the intention to conceal).
@@jzocchio we do not need to see the material which is true. There is no purpose for it to be shown in the documentary but there may be other purposes which having the video on hand is better left for future evidence than anything else. It is two people’s final moments which should not be allowed to be trivialize by the general public or media outlets.
Same. I don't see how it's much smarter to keep something that won't ever be used in any way or be released. No point in it existing at all.
All I can say is I do not envy Werner listening to the actual tape. It must be horrendous when you really think about it. Dont mean it in a being funny way but Im kinda suprised that a q and a is something he really wants to do.
I personally think they should release the tape, or at least part of it. It could very well be a deterrent to anyone considering following Treadwell's path. However, there is a much bigger reason why they should release it. Poor Aimee turned that camera on specifically to document their part of the story, whether she knew she'd die or not, I can't say, but I'm pretty sure she purposely turned that camera on because she wanted a witness to what happened (witnesses being the rest of the world), but also because somehow she felt it was an important part of their story. To keep it silent, to hide it away, defeats Aimee's hope or desire to share the end of their lives with the grizzlies, just as they had shared the beginning and middle of their lives among grizzlies. I dunno, I feel like they're cutting off Aimee's fingers, the fingers that WANTED their last moments to be recorded, and I assume, shared with the world. Maybe she wanted people to understand what grizzlies can do (a cautionary tale), or maybe she wanted the final act caught on film/audio. Maybe that was her way of making their story complete. If Aimee had enough courage to face/fight the bear and accept her fate, shouldn't we have the courage to listen to HER story, their story, their deaths?
I read that the camera was voice activated by Timothy’s microphone on his shirt.
The tape is not a piece of the story it is just a consequence of it, it should be kept in the vault and not seen again because it is not necessary for any folks of CZcams to listen to it. Plus his death alone is enough of a warning to people like that some horror tape is not needed.
I’m sure if ppl listened to the actual tape, they’d wish they never did. I had a desire to before, but I know it would haunt me and I’m grateful I never will.
@@adambosnialalo Well actually you're wrong because people have been getting mauled by bears long before and AFTER his death. So, clearly the public DOES need to be scared more.
@@bboysaif8 I was looking for the audio. Heard the one everyone says is fake, now I'm just dying to hear the real one lol
Mr. Herzog is so right. Timothy once spoke to a bear rather strongly to not charge him when he was just passing by it. That was the right thing he did, but he never should have approached a wild bear to touch it for any reason. That was disrespecting their personal space of safety. And you must be prepared and knowledgeable about how to teach the bear proper manners so they don't touch you in the wrong way. He treated the bears like harmless, domesticated dogs instead of the wild animals they were. One danger sign was when, in several videos he kept saying that where he was was "his" land. No, it was not. It was merely a place he was sharing with wildlife. Throughout the 13 years of videos, the bears never gave any indication that they wanted to come over to him and they would have done so with someone they felt safe around. They merely tolerated his intrusions.
Cave of Forgotten Dreams is one of the best docs ever. He was great in Jack Reacher lol
Apparently, there's a difference between a Disney bear and a grizzly bear that Timothy Treadwell didn't understand.
She smiled way too much over their deaths. Seemed like she wanted the crowd to laugh.
I'd love to hear the tape!
Sounds sick to admit but ditto... could save someone in the future!
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This audio is 100% real.
We know there is an audio tape, and we know the person with the tape kept the tape and hasn't destroyed it. We know the tape has been in multiple hands from the police, to the coroner, to Jewel Palovak. We know Jewel did not destroy the tape because she trotted it out years later for Werner Herzog for his documentary. Audio tapes get leaked all the time - it's just human nature. I bet you dozens and dozens of people have heard the original.
I've heard people say there are lots of fake audios floating around blah blah blah. No. There is only one audio, and a few different remixes of that one audio. There is one audio, and it's real - it has 1.9M views on CZcams at the time of writing this, and that's all I'll say.
This is, more or less, what the "iT's FaKe" crew would have you believe:
A person with a perfect understanding of the circumstances of this event - and expert level sound staging, recording, and editing skills - either happened to sound just like Timothy - or was able to recruit an actor who sounds just like Timothy - who then went on to put up an absolutely stellar, chilling, Oscar winning performance of the exact events - extracted purely from their own imagination of what his frantic screams would have sounded like.
These guys were also able to recruit a woman who sounds just like Tim's gf, and got her to go on and put up an absolutely stellar, chilling, Oscar winning performance of the exact events - extracted purely from her imagination of what her frantic screams would have sounded like.
This group collaborated, scripted, practiced, and recorded a stunning fake audio - in completely secrecy, then anonymously leaked the audio, thereby going through immense effort to carry out an oddly cruel act, for no reason or identifiable motive whatsoever. They then proceeded to say absolutely nothing about it for 10+ years, and were never outed by each other or those around them, or in any way discovered for this ridiculous, elaborate performance.
Some of the "debunking"responses here are irritating me:
"It's fake - iM aN aUdIo EnGiNeEr:" Lol okay bud. There is no such thing as an "audio engineer" in the same vain as an electrical or mechanical engineer. An audio engineer is just someone who records and mixes sound on programs like Soundforge. There is no credential by which one can obtain that qualifies one to speak about what we're hearing in this audio.
"It's fake - tHeRe iS aN eChO:" So fucking what? A loud ass bear growl can easily get an echo outside. Check out this video. These two bears are fighting and growling - the bears sound exactly the same as in the leaked audio - and there is an echo. The camera was in a tent, and there are many rumors that this is a second hand recording of the actual recording. We don't know why there is an echo. But the sound quality, timber, echo, and any other audio artifacts tell us NOTHING about the realness of this audio. Some people here are saying it's fake because it sounds like stock audio of bear growling or stock audio of rain. Lol, you all know that stock audio is just a recording of the real thing, right? The point of stock audio is to sound real. If it sounds like stock audio, that doesn't mean it's real or fake. It just means it's a recording of bears and rain.
"It's fake because it doesn't match what happened:" No, this is EXACLTY how it happened. Stop referencing blogs and the documentary. Go do some big boy research by reading the news reports from 2003 where the actual investigators talk about what they heard. Tim screamed and told his gf to come out, he told her to hit it with a pan, she told him to play dead, then she told him to fight back, Tim kept screaming the bear kept growling.
Also, Herzog has never confirmed that the leaked audio was fake and not the same thing he listened to on the documentary with Jewel. Where are you people getting this?
Ya'll just listened to a man get eaten alive on audio. That's is. Just deal with it. You should have shoved your morbid curiousity back up your own asses where it belongs. But instead y'all went hunting for it, and y'all found exactly wtf you were looking for. Now be adults and deal with it.
@@ricktheexplorerwhat a dumb comment. That audio is so very fake. Soooo sooo obviously fake!
"I'd rather be the hornet, that goes out and stings."
-Werner Herzog.
Proof of 2 people stupid enough to think that they can play with wild animals.
Werner Herzog should've included thhe audio. SMH
No.
@Marlon
If you can't deal with the harsh reality then you could just plug your ears. That tape is an important piece of history, regardless of how disturbing to some it may be. To hear playback of the actual event does not mean to condone it or take some form of pleasure from it, but it would instead one to accept and study the harsh reality of what really happened.
I agree. Its not like humans arent used to blood and gore its all we see
@@montag4516 Exactly. Furthermore, my point was more begging the question of who is Werner to play God? You mean to tell me that HE should hear it, then decree that no one else should? Who died & mad HIM God? If it wasn't fit for anyone else to hear, then HE shouldn't have heard it. What a pompous, self absorbent a-hole
@@montag4516 Don't pretend that your motivation is "for history" and not morbid curiosity. We all know the types of people who congregate to these sort of videos.
Eventually that tapes magnetic memory will decay and the audio will be partially/completely irrecoverable if his family ever wanted to do that since it probably hasn't been digitally archived
I just want to know if the alleged recording available on CZcams is real. And if it's not, when was that confirmed?
I think if there’s only one copy and the lady has it in a safety deposit box and refuses to play it again, I very much doubt the CZcams one is real.
There’s a few so please could you send me the link.
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It is real, but obviously not the whole thing. Ignore all the "AuDiO enGinEeRs" in the comments over there claiming it's fake. You can clearly hear that it's his voice and that he's in agony. It's blood-curdling.
This audio is never released. But people
Jumping from 911 is shown.
Release the tape. Let it serve as a lesson for wild animal
Encounters.
The audio is on CZcams. It’s horrific
@@haajarislam7457 that is fake
Doge di Amalfi.
I think a small portion of the 2min audio is real.
Theres 6 min of it on youtube only 2 mins
@@lolcowindustries Not likely. The shorter version is probably from the Alaskan authorities, who made a copy of the recording before releasing Treadwell's effects to his friend/partner. Someone released a portion of the copy, anonymously, and it's been circulating ever since, unverifiable, but very likely authentic. Why would it be faked? No benefit to the faker.
I love Werner so much!
This is brutal
He died because he projected his humanity onto something that contained none.
Anthropomorphizing
Omg wow you’re so deep and poetic
I want to know how it got leaked on here and is on other Internet sites now so? 🤷🏾♂️🤔
After listening to it it's bloody terrifying 😣 reminds me of films like The Edge, into the grizzly maze and backcountry.
The tape is a fake. A terrifying fake.
Is the Movie "Grizzly Man" scary or is it just emotional? Im want to know before i watch it.
Emotional and very raw. Human stupidity in the face of nature.
It's more tragic than it is scary. It's kind of similar to _Into the Wild_ where Chris McCandless abandoned his belongings and family, and decided to live off the land.
@@1805movie I agree with you and Andrew combined. It's a film of tragic human stupidity. Treadwell had a death wish by bear and the bear obliged. Unfortunately his girlfriend was also eaten. Plus they had to find the bear and destroy it. Tragic all the way around. The bear did help clean up the human gene pool. Thank you bear.
@@twylotwo Humans and our various conditions are a part of nature.
Did you watch it?
I remember one of the comments about the guy from a ranger: "The bears don't know what to make of him. They probably think he's retarded."
Really can't believe she made that joke at the beginning , like....what the F , nah not a joking situation (poor guy RIP Brother)
I thought they did destroy it. So why would she keep it I don’t understand
Wild guess. $.
So if you guys haven’t watched Titanic yet....the ship sinks.🙄
It didn't sitf well with me the cavalier attitude of the interviewee towards this man's death. She appeared to find his death as fodder for her interview.
THis guy died of sheer stupidity and I guess thats ok if he wanted to be bear food and get the bear killed as a result. But him taking that girl out there with no means to protect her is just something I cannot get my head around. Taking his girl to the most horrific death anyone could suffer is just too far out of our rational thinking .....
In the Audio he is screaming for HER to help him...... Its tough to listen to but just drives the point home further.... He was an idiot and completely unequipped to deal with the situation he put them both in.
"In the Audio he is screaming for HER to help him" Did you listen to the tape or how do you know? I just watched it yesterday and he actually told her to run away, according to the coroner and the director.
@@Callamatteomatisch Yes at one point he does scream to run away , before that he says to come help him , he is being killed. The entire recording is 6 minutes long and it seems that you get a little different part depending on which one you listen to.
He didn’t force her, she had a will all her own and decided to risk her life going into bear territory with him, which of course she knew was dangerous and deep down stupid
@@Rafa-uj2oi sit with a timer 6 minutes is a VERY long time timothy and Amy were both mostly eaten they found timothy left arm with his watch on his wrist and the rest of him was a literal skeleton Amys remains were put into a smaller trash bag ...there were scraps of clothing with some flesh and unidentifiable "parts" ....the bear scalped timothy and the coroner found exstreamly deep scraps in the skull from its teeth and it tore his left thigh and buttock off this was after killing amy it came back for Tim he passed away and the bear ate them both before being killed by wildlife rangers and forest service put the bear down in the film i think its "grinch" that killed him
@@jackvoodoo2900 Grinch didn't kill them. Bear 141 did. Never filmed.
His intentions were good but on the other hand, hell is full of people with "good" intentions. The best way to protect them is to leave them alone.
Destroy the tape. You don’t learn anything from closing your eyes. His girlfriend apparently tried to record what happened to tell their story. We should learn from this as to what could have been done different to prevent this from happening again.
I know, there are youtube videos that show graphic killings but, use them to help save others lives...
There is not much to learn except that 'hubris' can lead to your death, but everyone should know that already. The ancient Greeks knew this fact also
I’d pay a lot of money to listen to that audio tape.
give me money cus
Hats off for Werner Herzog. Genious director.
He and Nick Cave are the most important artists to me because they are more than artists, they see things as they truly are.
I think they should release the tape when the friend dies. That way it still respects her not having to stubble on it. I saw a comment on here about it being important because Aimee wanted it to be recorded, and I completely agree with that. 💯. She was uncomfortable about what was going on. You can see it in every shot she’s in, she’s always hiding her face, covered by a hood…she’s always extremely uncomfortable looking. She’s usually shivering and cold because it’s raining in a few of the rare videos you see her. He tried to make it look like he was completely alone out there so he kept her out of everything. I think that was her way of telling the world that she was there, and she was strong enough to try to beat a bear over the head with a frying pan to get her delusional boyfriend out of a bears mouth and try to save them so they could get the fuck out of a place she didn’t want to be at all. She was all about protecting nature and shit but she was NOT at all ok with chilling with the bears and camping on their main hibernation den/hunting ground/ main bear highway/ when they were still hungry. Fuck, he possibly even filmed the exact bear that ate him trying to dive at the bottom of the river to get a piece of dead salmon. They were showing every sign that they were still hungry and it was time to start fattening up. Hell yeah, I know, let’s camp out right in the middle of their path to everything they do in life. We’ll be just fine. I feel like the tape should be released, there are much more twisted things online, video and audio, of a bunch of shit that happened to people that they didn’t ask for. I don’t think Tim ( and absolutely not ) his girlfriend deserved that, but he definitely had to know in his heart he was performing gross negligence.
Does anyone know if they had brought bear spray with them and used it instead of hitting it with a frying pan? They would have survived?
In the past he said he will die rather than harm the bears...and die he did
He said he would die for these bears ' he did . He died for something he believed in ' not too many people can say that. But nature is nature and it's very harsh sometimes sometimes hard lessons are learned ' to some there's no second chances.
But the bear also died because of him. If he really loved so much this animals, he should have let them alone instead of provoking and putting them in danger
@@Noelliuss 👍 agreed.
Herzog has all his fingers in THIS video
i watched tons of timothy treadwell stuff. i am a firm believer that he was on methamphetamine pretty much 24/7. that is mainly why he always felt like he had magic skills. like he was above everyone else, and had powers over the bear.
What a crazy guy but i feel bad for him he just semed lost
@@ayman-dv6cy he was. i did tons of meth in college, like 30 years ago. he is exactly what i remember other people high on it. i remember myself feeling so important. like it was all about me. big issues to. felt i could change bad things all by myself, and did a lot of absolutely terrifying things thinking so. he was definitely on meth,. AND meth with no sleep can make you go insane, sometimes permanently depending on how much you do, and sometimes just for a week or so. your body needs sleep, and without you go nuts. he was nuts. i doubt a normal person could do half the things he did, and sadly he was so off he caused a lot of bears to die. you cannot ever befriend bears. they will die after that. lots of reasons, they eat people, get to comfy around them and boom one gets set off-bear dead!
michele michele meth is really good for you I love meth so much
@@eddiew2325 what a waste of life u r...tsk tsk!
I'd say adderall. He had no lesions or tooth loss, no haunted look.
A horrific experience!
as a German Biologist and Pythagorean - I found the DVD of the Herzog Docu film in our public Library - and was shocked - how far our degeneration has come. An infantile deluded Phantasia Land kid - playing with his teddy bear toys - pretendtng to be a magic Bear whisperer who knows how to live with them - and a sort of religious delusion to be protected by his saintly approach. Which was purely egotistic to satisfy his infantile Phantasies and playing with toys. Those wild animals may become neurotic with humans invading their space - which makes the story worse. In my view it is a description how an entire Society gets stuck in Infancy and refuses to mature and to grow up. Then even a 78 year old President may still be an Infant. I have no hope for Humanity- We race to Self extinction...
Yeah, Capitalism sucks pretty bad. Keeps one class of people stuck, while another class moves around as much as they want. All while using up natural recourses without a care in the world.
pythagorean? wtf? yeah that qualifies you as an expert on bears.
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Why fake a tape like that? What we are hearing is real.
Timothy Treadwell didn't die because of a bear attack. Timothy Treadwell died because of his own ego and idiocy.
You sound so smart and deep. No one has ever shared such an insightful opinion on this topic.
The woman he's talking about is very smart as he said. It would be a very traumatic thing to listen to for anyone who knows him and her having it in her house would always lead to the temptation to want to listen to something that could destroy her. But at the same time when everyone he knew and loved is gone, it might be good for people to be able to hear it, people who don't know him just to understand the actual dangers and risks of being in close proximity to grizzlies. Similar to watching the results of drunk drivers' actions to educate people of the dangers of road accidents i think the audio of him being eaten would at least let people know what the risks actually are of these dangerous creatures.
Tragic... That's all
Timothy Treadwell never listened to the DNR. He always thought the bears where friendly. And he was there friend. No matter how many times they told him to stay away from them he did not. I heard the time and one other to it was horrible.
There's a bit of self-serving motivation on the part of this filmmaker in him elevating the discussion as though this was a documentary on some legitimate and noble undertaking. In truth, it was a chronicling of a slow, but tragic self-inflicted death by a troubled person who probably needed help, but got nothing from those around him except encouragement to keep doing what he was doing.
Horseshit. Herzog has nothing to prove. There's no motivation strong enough to want to be a part of this story than the artist's call to illuminate the incomprehensible.
Exactly wheres the bears balls precisely?
Please, what do you think about living with bears without an accident ? 13 years is a very long time and no bear hurts him...
Only a wonder ??! ....thank you.
That tape should be copied and digitized asap to avoid deterioration. Sure, dont release it all you want, but at least transfer it to a longer lasting medium.
Bipolarism is a helluva drug.
why save it if ur not gonna let people listen
Have some respect, he did what no one else has done. Then he made an error of judgement whilst going through mental health issues & not understanding the new situation, that had huge consequences for him & her. R.I.P.
Respect him for what? What he was doing not only put every other human that watches bears in danger, but also put the bears in danger. If he starts acclimating the bears to human presence, it WILL eventually be the death of those bears
@@morrnmanderson7376 Meaning "Have some respect" for someone that has died in a terrible way instead of hating on them. That is somebody's son, somebody's brother. He had mental health issues, Everyone makes mistakes some small errors can have small consequences some small errors can have huge consequences. Would you want someone to judge you if you looked the wrong way or got distracted at a road junction & killed yourself & others. He was not there being malicious & most of what people know would have come from this documentary designed as entertainment they can include or leave out whatever they want. It's ridiculous people are calling him a "failed actor" in the documentary as if its a bad thing.
@Itachi Uchiha A fool doesn't warrant respect. He was irresponsible and cost the lives of 2 innocent bears for his foolishness
Share the tape. We wantvti learn. Don't be so selfish. Closed up tape. Closed up deaths. Period !!!
When I first heard about this tape, I had a morbid curiosity about it but understood why Timothy's friend didn't want to share it. But after talking to several people, even otherwise intelligent people, who think bears aren't that dangerous, it infuriates me that she won't release it. Yeah, people shouldn't have to hear a guy getting ripped to shreds to know better, but it seems like some really do. Plus, as someone pointed out, Aimee probably recorded it with the intent that people hear it.
Yeah I think it has more value for the public than something like the Christine Chubbuck tape. I don't know why it was given to her either and not his next of kin.
I definitely don't think she intended for people to hear her boyfriend being mauled to death. She may not have even known he was being attacked when she began recording. She never took the lens cap off, she might have been setting up to record the bear but dropped the camera in shock after it attacked Timothy.
I do get where your coming from, but I dont think she recorded it at all for that reason. Plus I imagine its horrific to hear the actual thing.
There are plenty of images online for that sort of thing. Google images can show you "man survives bear attack". It's a middle-aged man who looks like he's just had his face blown off by a shotgun. Only one eye stares out at you, through curtains of tangled skin and flesh, the rest is gone. He survived. Besides for one eye, his face was restored. There are many more like this that I have seen.
Big cats at least have the sense to kill you off quickly with a bite to the neck. Bears tear off random pieces of flesh and scratch you up with ten claws the size of a man's fingers.
If you think that a decades-old audio recording of a dude getting mauled will have a noticeable impact on anything, in an age where we can watch 4k videos of the most horrific incidents & injuries, you're tripping.
I can understand why bears were extinct 200 years ago in my country. Too many ppl would have had grudges against bears, losing friends and family. Thats why they were wiped out
Perfect upload would be:Both bodies after the attack with the audio playing in the background.It would raise awareness and I wanna see it.
Morbid interest.
just play the damn tape already