1:39 Number 10: Sam - Commissioned, Tom - Orleans: Invasion, Zee - Pandemic: The Cure 5:40 Number 09: Sam - Mysterium, Tom - XenoShyft: Onslaught, Zee - Dead Men Tell No Tales 10:02 Number 08: Sam - Carnival Zombie, Tom - Dead of Winter, Zee - Legends of Andor 14:56 Number 07: Sam - Marvel Legendary, Tom - Shadows Over Camelot, Zee - Freedom: The Underground Railroad 19:12 Number 06: Sam - Shadows Over Camelot, Tom - Eldritch Horror, Zee - Atlantis Rising 24:29 Number 05: Sam - T.I.M.E Stories, Tom - Defenders of the Realm, Zee - T.I.M.E Stories 28:13 Number 04: Sam - Zombicide: Black Plague, Tom - Robinson Crusoe, Zee - Pandemic Legacy 33:05 Number 03: Sam - Pandemic Legacy, Tom - Ghost Stories, Zee - Robinson Crusoe 38:59 Number 02: Sam - Battlestar Galactica, Tom - Marvel Legendary, Zee - Ghost Stories 44:14 Number 01: Sam - Dead of Winter, Tom - T.I.M.E Stories, Zee - Pandemic
A testament to how far cooperative games have come is the fact there is little crossover, and also the fact that there are many good games none of you listed. That is not a bad thing. It's a good time to want to work together in board gaming.
THANK YOU for adding the banners. It makes fast forwarding so much easier. Love the videos; but I love them more with banners thanks for editing those in!
Space Alert is possibly my favorite board game. The real time aspect, its best feature, makes sure that no one bosses the other players around, a feature I haven't not seen in any other coop game.
My top 5, listed not in pure enjoyment (SotM would be tops in that case) but in the quality of the game: 1. Pandemic Legacy 2. Robinson Crusoe 3. Sentinels of the Multiverse 4. Legendary Encounters: Aliens 5. Ghost Stories.
I'm glad you guys made the distinction between Zombicide and Black Plague. I never would have wanted to play the former, but I'm definitely intrigued by ZBP now.
My friends and I cant get enough of Sentinels of the Multiverse which was a game i saw here first on The Dice Tower. Thank You Tom Vasel and surprised it was not somewhere on you list.
+Graeme Patrick I agree with this. Also, why is Legacy on 4 and regular Pandemic on 1? I don't get it. What does the regular version have that the Legacy one doesn't? The Expansions? but are they really better than the Legacy aspect of the newer version?
Some great games on those lists. Really looking forward to the Robinson Crusoe playthrough. I found it very complex and rules-heavy at first. Interested to see Sam's reaction to it.
I agree. A pain to learn, but worth it in the end. First play took almost 5 hours. Doesn't help when you have that one player who questions every rule. Sigh
For me the list is as follows, here I list games as cooperative if the mode I play the game for most is cooperative (Such as Mage Knight or Descent 2nd): 1. Lord of The Ring LCG 2. Descent 2nd Edition (Coop Expansions) 3. Pandemic Legacy 4. Time Stories 5. Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective 6. Sentinels of the Multiverse 7. Project: Elite 8. Mage Knight 9. Dead of Winter 10. Myth 11. Shadows of Brimstone 12. Arhkam Horror 13. Ghost Stories 14. Pathfinder: Adventure Card Game 15. Warhammer Quest 16. Warhammer Quest Adventure Card Game 17. DND Board Games (Wrath of Ashardalon etc.) 18. Assault on Doomrock 19. WoW TCG Raid Decks 20. Mysterium 21. Defenders of the Realm 22. Robinson Crusoe 23. Shadow over Camelot 24. Mistfall 25. Runeage Just from the top of my head, I am sure I forgot some major ones. Edit: Yes, I forgot Legendary Encounters: Alien and Zcide: Black Plague, they would probably have ended up somewhere in the 15+ and top 10 respectively. Also, I do not consider a game like BSG a cooperative game, as the focus of the game is on the traitors and the cooperative game itself is not that interesting. For Shadows over Camelot, we have never won a game even without traitors, and for Dead of Winter the coop game is interesting enough for the focus not to be on the traitor all the time. Oh and I love Space Alert, that would probably have been top 5 as well.
I can no longer find easily these Top Ten List and they are my favorite part of the Dice Tower. Last year they were on the front of the page, now I don´t see them and I just realized I haven´t watched the most recent ones.
Glad you guys redid this list. Lately it seems like you don't have discussion following your lists, comparing lists or listing the ones that just missed (Zee mentioned Forbidden Desert, shadows and others missed the cut). Otherwise, great as always. Keep up the good work, and get well soon Zee
My top co-op games are 1) Fallout w/Atomic Bonds Exp 2) Lords of Waterdeep 3) This War of Mine 4) Terror Below 5) Aliens: Another Glorious Day In The Corps. Glad to hear Robinson Crusoe is in Tom's faves, because I just bought it and am excited for an adventure! Thanks for a great video!
It always amazes me when people do thumbs down. These guys are working hard to make interesting content for fans, so how could anyone put thumbs down? Unbelievable. It you don't like the content go somewhere else.
Great top 10 from the Dream Team panel. Your choices are hard to disagree with. I have not played Ghost Stories yet I'll have to go to my board cafe soon and try that one.
I agree with Sam on the traitor not disqualifying a co-op game as co-op. Especially because in many of those games the traitor is optional and/or not even taken.
Marvel Legendary you are actually playing Shield Commanders, getting heroes (and agents) to do specific stuff, which is why two can both direct Spiderman around.
1 : Pandemic Legacy 2 : Pandemic 3: Pandemic the cure 4: Time stories 5: The Grizzeld 6: Dead of Winter 7: Eldritch Horror 8: The Big book of Madness 9: Agents of Smersh 10: Escape or Escape : Zombie City
BattleStar Galactica,, yea, I love that game, I learned the game before I saw the show, it got me to watch the show. I liked the original BSG and I hesitated to watch the new show., However after watching one of your videos where you talked about BSG board game, and I saw a local meetup for it, I went to the meetup and played the game. I learned that it is the perfect game for me and have my own copy and I've played it lot. Hopefully when I see you guys later this year we could get a game of BSG in.
10: Shadowrun Crossfire 9: Xenoshyft 8: Mansions of Madness (even with the keeper) 7: Posthuman 6: Big Book of Madness 5: Arkham Horror 4: Mage Knight 3: Thunderstone 2: Sentinels of the Multiverse. 1: Kingdom Death Monster, by FAR. Definitely the best co-op campaign experience I've ever played, and definitely one of the best board game experiences I've ever had.
So, Sam...we have to talk. According to your taste and that you start liking Zombicide I think it is time to go for the next step and that you check out Galaxy Defenders and Shadows of Brimstone and here are the reasons why. :) Galaxy Defenders: a) It offers a story-rich dynamic campaign experience (one story text beats the whole Imperial Assault story). b) It forces tactical decisions and discussions. c) It comes with very distinct character roles and strong development. You will cry when your 15h character dies. d) You can adjust the game to your own complexity level with the optional rules in the rulebook. You want Human View that it matters how to rotate your figure? You can. You want permadeath? There you have it. You want the High Impact rule that combat gets more burtal? There you go. According to the tactical choices and events in Imperial Assault, Galaxy Defenders goes the next step. Shadows of Brimstone: a) You love the "dungeon crawl" Descent 2.0? In Brimstone you will fear the next unknown corner especially in the beginning of the campaign. b) Shadows is dripping with theme. Mutations, encounters, travel hazards, town events, epic boss battles. That what in Descent 2.0 or Imperial Assault might be the final mission here you can have it in every mission. c) Is it Permadeath you are looking for? Here you go. d) Character development is what you like? Choose your tech tree options wisely. So all in all I think you will like these games very much and I could imagine that you will stop playing Descent 2.0 and even Imperial Assault (even if it is Star Wars). Grab these games, meet up with Rob, paint and assemble the figures (in Brimstone) and you will have hours of coop-heaven fun. I promise. My top 10 cooperative games: 1.) Shadows of Brimstone 2.) Galaxy Defenders 3.) Arkham Horror 4.) Machina Arcana 5.) Alien Uprising 6.) Fortune & Glory 7.) Eldritch Horror 8.) Project: Elite 9.) Robinson Crusoe 10.) Fireteam: Zero Short list: Zombicide Black Plague, Defenders of the realm, Gears of war, Legendary ALIEN.
I surprised myself by really getting into Robinson Crusoe. Way more fun with a group, but still pretty fun to solo as well. Waiting for the 2nd edition to land where I am - I love the theming and the stuff for this game.
I´m sorry, but i have to comment. ALOT of you reviewers are complaining about the targeting mechanic in Zombicide. I don't get it! that mechanic is what make the game a strategy game, it forces you to think before using the actions you have availible. No it mite not be especially logical, however where it not there, it would just be dicerolling hack and slash game. That mechanic is, atleast to my mind, what makes the game worth playing. Other than that, i enjoy watching you guys, keep up the good work!
I know I'm trading into treacherous waters here, but I'm going to give a shoutout to DC Deckbuilder in Crisis mode. The variety of crisis/supervillain combos gives it great replayability (not to mention all the different superheroes you can play). And there's a whole sub-game in crafting a thematic or challenging main deck, which comes with an easy challenge throttle simply by increasing or decreasing the number of cards. I will also challenge the common critique that it's not thematic, but that's for another day.
It's weird to see that they write T.I.M.E. Stories when the publisher (and Boardgame Geek etc.) always say T.I.M.E Stories (which I always consider to be a huge typo). Weirdest thing is that even the original game box has that typo.
Great Video guys. Thank's to Zee I check this pirate cooperative game and I really exited about that, but unfortunately in my country its difficult to get this game, by I will try becouse I really enyoy cooperative game last time and I love pirates! I also love Ghost Stories and I really really happy that it's appear on Tom list as 3 and Zee as 2! But Sam's titles was also great, for example Battlestar, althout I wonder agree that is cooperative game i full meaning of this kind of game, same Dead of Winter. I kind of suprise that nobody put on your list Yggdrasil, and I wonder why? Could you tell me? Of course it only curious, not big deal. Anyway it was so interesting and i look forward for next Tops created by you guys. PS: Reaction Sam on Robinson was pricelessxd
Will you make a top 10 introduction games, if you haven't already? Also hope you make a top 10 exploration games, just cause i like that theme/mechanic. :)
I'd be very curious on the guys' thoughts as to whether Decent, with Road to Legend application, qualifies for a co-op list. I'm pretty sure it came out after this was made, at least by half a year. I do think, however, it puts Decent firmly within the co-op genre -- and pretty high up on my personal list.
Hello. I am newly getting into board games as a hobby. Is there a video from your channel that touches on the terminology? Like what the "category" terminology means? Like Euro, push your luck, deck builder, etc
Great lists again, not sure why none of you like G.D. but *shrugs* Mine would go: 1. Descent 2nd edition w/road to legend 2. Legendary 3. Galaxy Defenders 4. Elder Sign 5. Eldritch Horror I wanted to include MageKnight, in my opinion, one of the best games I own yet I was told that doesn't count because it's just a mode and to make it compelling you really do need the first expansion, although I think as long as you play it the way Tom plays Legendary the co-op take the cities thing is great!
picked up t.i.m.e stories after watching some of your game play. me and wife love it even though she doesn't really enjoy new games. we played twice and will finish it soon I'm sure. thanks much for the info.
For SEO it might be better if when you "redo" a list (Which I'm perfectly ok with you guys doing every X years or so) you add a year or number modifier. So when I'm looking for this video via google search. I don't keep finding the old one. Or if for instance you make a third one you introduce an amount of noise where we can't find the most recent one. It doens't have to be a "year" as some people will then demand one annually but something to separate the different versions.
Regarding Dead of Winter, it is a semi-cooperative team game in that all the players can lose. It’s not a fully cooperative game though (unless you play the cooperative variant in the rules of course). An interesting experiment to show it’s not fully cooperative is to play the game for money; all players put in say $10 at the start of the game and the winners split the pot at the end. (If nobody wins then donate the pot to charity, maybe a zombie prevention society?) I believe if you try this out you’ll find people are much more concerned about completing their own personal objective because failure will actually have a personal cost.
Some good, some bad on the list. However not putting Flashpoint Fire Rescue or Sentinels of the Multiverse on the list means I will now boycott your show from this day forth. #onlykidding! :-) No surprise to see every Pandemic variant/game on Zee's list, that was quite amusing. I really need to get this Carnival Zombie game, but it doesn't exist in the UK. However I'm expecting Zombicide Black Plague as a review copy soon and I hope that much in the exact same way of thinking as Sam that I will enjoy this game because the original Zombicide I wasn't keen on. But again Sentinels of the Multiverse, No 1 Co-Op, will be! I'm looking at my 3 boxes of Sentinels stuff and my big Kickstarter pledge for the final one. LOVVVVVE IT! Oh and Dead of Winter is not a co-op. . . . . . . . . .
i find it weird that no comparison was made to sentinels, esp since the video 3 years ago Tom had Sentinels as better than Legendary and sam didn't mention Legendary at all. In this video, they really didn't explain why Legendary suddenly appeared in their lists when it was only a sidenote of Tom's 3 years ago in their first video. Consider that some of their games listed in the older video moved down and out of mention in this video to make room for the new games that came out in that interim, while maybe legendary is the only one from that time that moved up. consistently the internet reviews give the higher rating to sentinels....weird indeed
My favorite co-op is Sentinels of the Multiverse. I have everything for that game and am looking forward (with some sadness) to the final expansion. Next year seems a long way off. Would love to expand my stable of co-ops, but hobby money is short and hobby time is even shorter. :(
i find it weird that no comparison was made to sentinels, esp since the video 3 years ago Tom had Sentinels as better than Legendary and sam didn't mention Legendary at all. In this video, they really didn't explain why Legendary suddenly appeared in their lists when it was only a sidenote of Tom's 3 years ago in their first video. Consider that some of their games listed in the older video moved down and out of mention in this video to make room for the new games that came out in that interim, while maybe legendary is the only one from that time that moved up. consistently the internet reviews give the higher rating to sentinels....weird indeed
Neon Squire Sentinels of the Multiverse can be somewhat fiddly, but the free iOS/android app offers to keep track of all that stuff so you can do away with counters and all the other cardboard stuff.
is atlantis rising some sort of advanced mix between forbidden island and forbidden desert? would you recommend those to medium players very much into pandemic, coops and eurogames?
Good choices. Personally, I'd have Legendary Encounters: Alien way above Marvel, but that is my taste. I can understand why it isn't as high for some because of the scary (and gory) theme.
Agreed. This is one of my go-to co-op games. It's a steal at what, 14 dollars, it plays great for new players and veterans of co-op games alike, and has a really fresh take on what are otherwise very pandemic-y gameplay mechanics.
My top cooperative games have been Pandemic, Dead of Winter and the Forbidden Island/desert series. There are some on the list I have not played so who knows how things will shift form there.
Top 10.1 (for the first after it originally being 10.0 or they can leave it at 10.0/10 and make the new one AKA this one 10.2 or top 10: the remix edition)!
I do also like "Time Stories". But my major problem is: U can play each story only once - lets say u screw over and restart u do it twice or a third time - and thats it. You could show it to some new people...if you know some and see how they go but for the rest it rots in ur boardgameshelf and thats why iam sooo inbetween with this game.
There are probably not enough games to make the list, but Orleans example made me wonder which games has made a successful change of play style (e.g. competitive -> co-op).
Lots of semi-cooperative (traitor games) games on this list, (Shadows Over Camelot, Battlestar Galactica, and Dead of Winter). Personally I wouldn't include those as they are not strictly cooperative so not everyone wins/loses together, which to me is what makes a cooperative game.
I haven't played a lot of games (just got into the hobby) but here is my short list. 1. Legendary Encounters: Alien 2. Legends of Andor 3. Dead of Winter 4. Sentinels of the Multiverse 5. Pandemic
Your 3 people top 10 are the best, the individual ones are not nearly as good. You should consider switching seats from list to list. I'm sure it would alter the power dynamic and make things interesting. How would it go with Zee or Sam in the middle?
1:39 Number 10: Sam - Commissioned, Tom - Orleans: Invasion, Zee - Pandemic: The Cure
5:40 Number 09: Sam - Mysterium, Tom - XenoShyft: Onslaught, Zee - Dead Men Tell No Tales
10:02 Number 08: Sam - Carnival Zombie, Tom - Dead of Winter, Zee - Legends of Andor
14:56 Number 07: Sam - Marvel Legendary, Tom - Shadows Over Camelot, Zee - Freedom: The Underground Railroad
19:12 Number 06: Sam - Shadows Over Camelot, Tom - Eldritch Horror, Zee - Atlantis Rising
24:29 Number 05: Sam - T.I.M.E Stories, Tom - Defenders of the Realm, Zee - T.I.M.E Stories
28:13 Number 04: Sam - Zombicide: Black Plague, Tom - Robinson Crusoe, Zee - Pandemic Legacy
33:05 Number 03: Sam - Pandemic Legacy, Tom - Ghost Stories, Zee - Robinson Crusoe
38:59 Number 02: Sam - Battlestar Galactica, Tom - Marvel Legendary, Zee - Ghost Stories
44:14 Number 01: Sam - Dead of Winter, Tom - T.I.M.E Stories, Zee - Pandemic
TY so much!
Doing gods work
Thank you....soooo much
Thanks, this is very helpful!
Thank you!!!
A testament to how far cooperative games have come is the fact there is little crossover, and also the fact that there are many good games none of you listed. That is not a bad thing. It's a good time to want to work together in board gaming.
THANK YOU for adding the banners. It makes fast forwarding so much easier. Love the videos; but I love them more with banners thanks for editing those in!
The pic for Ghost Stories at 34:07 shows a lost game. I find that highly appropriate and a good representation of the game ;).
These videos are so long, and a lot of games repeat, I just jump to number one. I love that you have the lists in text at the end
Space Alert is possibly my favorite board game. The real time aspect, its best feature, makes sure that no one bosses the other players around, a feature I haven't not seen in any other coop game.
This list makes me want to see their top 1 vs. all games.
If they do this list again in a few years, Zee's list: Pandemic: Reign of Cthulhu. Calling it.
+Straddllw Not to mention the inevitable Pandemic: Das Kartenspiel :)
Man, your profile picture got me.
Putting pictures of the game is a very important thing missing from other list videos.
Congrats!!
thanks so much for revisiting this category.
Thanks for updating the list. Please update more of your older lists.
My top 5, listed not in pure enjoyment (SotM would be tops in that case) but in the quality of the game: 1. Pandemic Legacy 2. Robinson Crusoe 3. Sentinels of the Multiverse 4. Legendary Encounters: Aliens 5. Ghost Stories.
Next top 10: TOP 10 BOARDGAME´S BOARDS
Yeah! That's a great suggestion, let's get this one plus oned
Have a feeling that they'll have a crossover with Legends of Andor.
+Santiago Pedrazzoli Yep, that would be cool! So many really nice boards!!
+Santiago Pedrazzoli Pillars of the Earth. If that isn't a top 10, I'd say most attractive games
Yggdrasil.
I'm glad you guys made the distinction between Zombicide and Black Plague. I never would have wanted to play the former, but I'm definitely intrigued by ZBP now.
Happy to see Ghost stories still holds up. This is one of my favorite co-op games.
Nice top 10 guys! Seeing this I would love a top 10 with 1-vs-all games.
My friends and I cant get enough of Sentinels of the Multiverse which was a game i saw here first on The Dice Tower. Thank You Tom Vasel and surprised it was not somewhere on you list.
Zee's top 10:
#10-3 Pandemic expansions
#2 Pandemic
#1 Pandemic Legacy
Your list is a biohazard in itself!
+Christopher James (Cjimmortal) Yeah its kinda boring and they should lump games with their kin in 1 entry.
+Graeme Patrick I agree with this. Also, why is Legacy on 4 and regular Pandemic on 1? I don't get it. What does the regular version have that the Legacy one doesn't? The Expansions? but are they really better than the Legacy aspect of the newer version?
Still today? lol
Some great games on those lists. Really looking forward to the Robinson Crusoe playthrough. I found it very complex and rules-heavy at first. Interested to see Sam's reaction to it.
I agree. A pain to learn, but worth it in the end. First play took almost 5 hours. Doesn't help when you have that one player who questions every rule. Sigh
I think when the Martian version of Robinson Crusoe comes out, Sam should get to review it and Tom and Zee are banned from playing it for a year. 😄
For me the list is as follows, here I list games as cooperative if the mode I play the game for most is cooperative (Such as Mage Knight or Descent 2nd):
1. Lord of The Ring LCG
2. Descent 2nd Edition (Coop Expansions)
3. Pandemic Legacy
4. Time Stories
5. Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective
6. Sentinels of the Multiverse
7. Project: Elite
8. Mage Knight
9. Dead of Winter
10. Myth
11. Shadows of Brimstone
12. Arhkam Horror
13. Ghost Stories
14. Pathfinder: Adventure Card Game
15. Warhammer Quest
16. Warhammer Quest Adventure Card Game
17. DND Board Games (Wrath of Ashardalon etc.)
18. Assault on Doomrock
19. WoW TCG Raid Decks
20. Mysterium
21. Defenders of the Realm
22. Robinson Crusoe
23. Shadow over Camelot
24. Mistfall
25. Runeage
Just from the top of my head, I am sure I forgot some major ones.
Edit: Yes, I forgot Legendary Encounters: Alien and Zcide: Black Plague, they would probably have ended up somewhere in the 15+ and top 10 respectively.
Also, I do not consider a game like BSG a cooperative game, as the focus of the game is on the traitors and the cooperative game itself is not that interesting. For Shadows over Camelot, we have never won a game even without traitors, and for Dead of Winter the coop game is interesting enough for the focus not to be on the traitor all the time.
Oh and I love Space Alert, that would probably have been top 5 as well.
Dice Tower was given big thumbs up on Co-Optional podcast this week, was great too see cross from video game chat to board
I can no longer find easily these Top Ten List and they are my favorite part of the Dice Tower. Last year they were on the front of the page, now I don´t see them and I just realized I haven´t watched the most recent ones.
Glad you guys redid this list. Lately it seems like you don't have discussion following your lists, comparing lists or listing the ones that just missed (Zee mentioned Forbidden Desert, shadows and others missed the cut).
Otherwise, great as always. Keep up the good work, and get well soon Zee
My top co-op games are 1) Fallout w/Atomic Bonds Exp 2) Lords of Waterdeep 3) This War of Mine 4) Terror Below 5) Aliens: Another Glorious Day In The Corps.
Glad to hear Robinson Crusoe is in Tom's faves, because I just bought it and am excited for an adventure! Thanks for a great video!
T.I.M.E Stories is amazing, I have played the first three modules, love the artwork everytime :)
Love this, thank you so much from a Australian fan
I was going to suggest you start re-doing your lists that had combined picks, since its been so long-so this is good timing :)
Think it's time for another update?
Thanks Tom for keeping the love for Defenders of the Realm
It always amazes me when people do thumbs down. These guys are working hard to make interesting content for fans, so how could anyone put thumbs down? Unbelievable. It you don't like the content go somewhere else.
Great top 10 from the Dream Team panel. Your choices are hard to disagree with. I have not played Ghost Stories yet I'll have to go to my board cafe soon and try that one.
I agree with Sam on the traitor not disqualifying a co-op game as co-op. Especially because in many of those games the traitor is optional and/or not even taken.
Good to see Zee is better. And Tom, your diet seems to be really working! Respect.
+Nandin Dira This probably was made before he was sick. Not certain though.
Sam: We've played this game 12 times in 2 weeks.
Tom: It was actually 17.
Sam: ...Yeah, well, that would also include 12.
Big brain time.
Marvel Legendary you are actually playing Shield Commanders, getting heroes (and agents) to do specific stuff, which is why two can both direct Spiderman around.
Hi Guys, absolutely love your top ten video reviews. How about updating your top ten Euro games as well? Ps. Keep up the good work guys! You rock!
1 : Pandemic Legacy 2 : Pandemic 3: Pandemic the cure 4: Time stories 5: The Grizzeld 6: Dead of Winter 7: Eldritch Horror 8: The Big book of Madness 9: Agents of Smersh 10: Escape or Escape : Zombie City
Hi Zee
I guess so hehe i just checked my ratings on BGG :D
BattleStar Galactica,, yea, I love that game, I learned the game before I saw the show, it got me to watch the show. I liked the original BSG and I hesitated to watch the new show., However after watching one of your videos where you talked about BSG board game, and I saw a local meetup for it, I went to the meetup and played the game. I learned that it is the perfect game for me and have my own copy and I've played it lot. Hopefully when I see you guys later this year we could get a game of BSG in.
+David Peterson I do really like Pandemic and Pandemic Legacy, and I have the Pandemic App on my phone and play it WAY to much.
Please do an updated version of this video 🙏
10: Shadowrun Crossfire
9: Xenoshyft
8: Mansions of Madness (even with the keeper)
7: Posthuman
6: Big Book of Madness
5: Arkham Horror
4: Mage Knight
3: Thunderstone
2: Sentinels of the Multiverse.
1: Kingdom Death Monster, by FAR. Definitely the best co-op campaign experience I've ever played, and definitely one of the best board game experiences I've ever had.
No one mentioned Gears of War or Mice and Mystics--both great Cooperative Dungeon Crawl/adventure combat games.
Good to see Zee back!
So, Sam...we have to talk. According to your taste and that you start liking Zombicide I think it is time to go for the next step and that you check out Galaxy Defenders and Shadows of Brimstone and here are the reasons why. :)
Galaxy Defenders:
a) It offers a story-rich dynamic campaign experience (one story text beats the whole Imperial Assault story).
b) It forces tactical decisions and discussions.
c) It comes with very distinct character roles and strong development. You will cry when your 15h character dies.
d) You can adjust the game to your own complexity level with the optional rules in the rulebook. You want Human View that it matters how to rotate your figure? You can. You want permadeath? There you have it. You want the High Impact rule that combat gets more burtal? There you go.
According to the tactical choices and events in Imperial Assault, Galaxy Defenders goes the next step.
Shadows of Brimstone:
a) You love the "dungeon crawl" Descent 2.0? In Brimstone you will fear the next unknown corner especially in the beginning of the campaign.
b) Shadows is dripping with theme. Mutations, encounters, travel hazards, town events, epic boss battles. That what in Descent 2.0 or Imperial Assault might be the final mission here you can have it in every mission.
c) Is it Permadeath you are looking for? Here you go.
d) Character development is what you like? Choose your tech tree options wisely.
So all in all I think you will like these games very much and I could imagine that you will stop playing Descent 2.0 and even Imperial Assault (even if it is Star Wars).
Grab these games, meet up with Rob, paint and assemble the figures (in Brimstone) and you will have hours of coop-heaven fun. I promise.
My top 10 cooperative games:
1.) Shadows of Brimstone
2.) Galaxy Defenders
3.) Arkham Horror
4.) Machina Arcana
5.) Alien Uprising
6.) Fortune & Glory
7.) Eldritch Horror
8.) Project: Elite
9.) Robinson Crusoe
10.) Fireteam: Zero
Short list: Zombicide Black Plague, Defenders of the realm, Gears of war, Legendary ALIEN.
I surprised myself by really getting into Robinson Crusoe. Way more fun with a group, but still pretty fun to solo as well. Waiting for the 2nd edition to land where I am - I love the theming and the stuff for this game.
I´m sorry, but i have to comment. ALOT of you reviewers are complaining about the targeting mechanic in Zombicide. I don't get it! that mechanic is what make the game a strategy game, it forces you to think before using the actions you have availible. No it mite not be especially logical, however where it not there, it would just be dicerolling hack and slash game. That mechanic is, atleast to my mind, what makes the game worth playing.
Other than that, i enjoy watching you guys, keep up the good work!
"One vs all" - next top 10 list idea? It would be great :)
T.I.M.E Stories is the best game ever!
Love the font choice... Zombicide looks like it says, "Zombiade". heh
I know I'm trading into treacherous waters here, but I'm going to give a shoutout to DC Deckbuilder in Crisis mode. The variety of crisis/supervillain combos gives it great replayability (not to mention all the different superheroes you can play). And there's a whole sub-game in crafting a thematic or challenging main deck, which comes with an easy challenge throttle simply by increasing or decreasing the number of cards.
I will also challenge the common critique that it's not thematic, but that's for another day.
It's weird to see that they write T.I.M.E. Stories when the publisher (and Boardgame Geek etc.) always say T.I.M.E Stories (which I always consider to be a huge typo). Weirdest thing is that even the original game box has that typo.
Great Video guys. Thank's to Zee I check this pirate cooperative game and I really exited about that, but unfortunately in my country its difficult to get this game, by I will try becouse I really enyoy cooperative game last time and I love pirates!
I also love Ghost Stories and I really really happy that it's appear on Tom list as 3 and Zee as 2! But Sam's titles was also great, for example Battlestar, althout I wonder agree that is cooperative game i full meaning of this kind of game, same Dead of Winter. I kind of suprise that nobody put on your list Yggdrasil, and I wonder why? Could you tell me? Of course it only curious, not big deal.
Anyway it was so interesting and i look forward for next Tops created by you guys.
PS: Reaction Sam on Robinson was pricelessxd
Yeah, I also wondered why no Yggdrasil. I think that was probably the first adult cooperative game I played, and I really enjoy it.
Will you make a top 10 introduction games, if you haven't already? Also hope you make a top 10 exploration games, just cause i like that theme/mechanic. :)
Would Mansions of Maddness (2nd edition) counted as a co-operative game? Would it fit the list? I think it's a superbe game.
I'd be very curious on the guys' thoughts as to whether Decent, with Road to Legend application, qualifies for a co-op list. I'm pretty sure it came out after this was made, at least by half a year. I do think, however, it puts Decent firmly within the co-op genre -- and pretty high up on my personal list.
YAAAAAAY! The band is back together!!!
+Ryan Cunningham Wait... you're not agreeing on the best games? THAT'S NOT VERY COOPERATIVE!!!
Hello. I am newly getting into board games as a hobby. Is there a video from your channel that touches on the terminology? Like what the "category" terminology means? Like Euro, push your luck, deck builder, etc
Great lists again, not sure why none of you like G.D. but *shrugs* Mine would go: 1. Descent 2nd edition w/road to legend 2. Legendary 3. Galaxy Defenders 4. Elder Sign 5. Eldritch Horror I wanted to include MageKnight, in my opinion, one of the best games I own yet I was told that doesn't count because it's just a mode and to make it compelling you really do need the first expansion, although I think as long as you play it the way Tom plays Legendary the co-op take the cities thing is great!
picked up t.i.m.e stories after watching some of your game play. me and wife love it even though she doesn't really enjoy new games. we played twice and will finish it soon I'm sure. thanks much for the info.
T.I.M.E. Stories is one of my favorite games.
I feel your pain about Robinson Crusoe, Sam. Never played Eldritch Horror too and all my friends have it...
For SEO it might be better if when you "redo" a list (Which I'm perfectly ok with you guys doing every X years or so) you add a year or number modifier. So when I'm looking for this video via google search. I don't keep finding the old one. Or if for instance you make a third one you introduce an amount of noise where we can't find the most recent one.
It doens't have to be a "year" as some people will then demand one annually but something to separate the different versions.
Zee must wear a ski-mask when they teach Sam!
Pandemic the Cure is one of my favorite games in general, let alone Co-op.
T.I.M.E Stories yeah!! :) also my number 1
+Gergő Schmidt +1
Going through Pandemic Legacy right now with my wife and another couple. So amazing! Way better than Pandemic in terms of fun.
I'm looking forward to a one versus all top 10, but maybe that would ve hard for Zee to even choose 10 games?
Regarding Dead of Winter, it is a semi-cooperative team game in that all the players can lose. It’s not a fully cooperative game though (unless you play the cooperative variant in the rules of course). An interesting experiment to show it’s not fully cooperative is to play the game for money; all players put in say $10 at the start of the game and the winners split the pot at the end. (If nobody wins then donate the pot to charity, maybe a zombie prevention society?) I believe if you try this out you’ll find people are much more concerned about completing their own personal objective because failure will actually have a personal cost.
Some good, some bad on the list. However not putting Flashpoint Fire Rescue or Sentinels of the Multiverse on the list means I will now boycott your show from this day forth. #onlykidding! :-)
No surprise to see every Pandemic variant/game on Zee's list, that was quite amusing. I really need to get this Carnival Zombie game, but it doesn't exist in the UK. However I'm expecting Zombicide Black Plague as a review copy soon and I hope that much in the exact same way of thinking as Sam that I will enjoy this game because the original Zombicide I wasn't keen on.
But again Sentinels of the Multiverse, No 1 Co-Op, will be! I'm looking at my 3 boxes of Sentinels stuff and my big Kickstarter pledge for the final one. LOVVVVVE IT!
Oh and Dead of Winter is not a co-op. . . . . . . . . .
Sentinels is one of my favorite board games in general, can't wait for OblivAeon.
+Luke Hector (Broken Meeple) The second edition of Carnival Zombie will be going on Kickstarter this month
i find it weird that no comparison was made to sentinels, esp since the video 3 years ago Tom had Sentinels as better than Legendary and sam didn't mention Legendary at all. In this video, they really didn't explain why Legendary suddenly appeared in their lists when it was only a sidenote of Tom's 3 years ago in their first video. Consider that some of their games listed in the older video moved down and out of mention in this video to make room for the new games that came out in that interim, while maybe legendary is the only one from that time that moved up.
consistently the internet reviews give the higher rating to sentinels....weird indeed
ya i was expecting flashpoint
Luke Hector there a co-op varrient
I'm not usually a fan of Dungeon Crawler type games, but I've played Black Plague and it's a good time.
The egipcian module for T.I.M.E. Stories is coming out the 26 of February here in Europe if I'm not mistaken, just saying xD
"Well I don't understand why Robinson Crusoe wasn't on your list."
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Poor Sam.
Will you guys make a top 10 1 vs all games?
Staunch! are there even 10 halfgood games in that category?
My favorite co-op is Sentinels of the Multiverse. I have everything for that game and am looking forward (with some sadness) to the final expansion. Next year seems a long way off.
Would love to expand my stable of co-ops, but hobby money is short and hobby time is even shorter. :(
+Fenix Reborn Couldent agree more! Sentinels is amazing
i find it weird that no comparison was made to sentinels, esp since the video 3 years ago Tom had Sentinels as better than Legendary and sam didn't mention Legendary at all. In this video, they really didn't explain why Legendary suddenly appeared in their lists when it was only a sidenote of Tom's 3 years ago in their first video. Consider that some of their games listed in the older video moved down and out of mention in this video to make room for the new games that came out in that interim, while maybe legendary is the only one from that time that moved up.
consistently the internet reviews give the higher rating to sentinels....weird indeed
Fenix Reborn Sentinels of the multiverse is way too fiddly to me.
Neon Squire
It certainly has that against it for sure. I just find enough enjoyment in it to out way that.
Neon Squire Sentinels of the Multiverse can be somewhat fiddly, but the free iOS/android app offers to keep track of all that stuff so you can do away with counters and all the other cardboard stuff.
is atlantis rising some sort of advanced mix between forbidden island and forbidden desert? would you recommend those to medium players very much into pandemic, coops and eurogames?
Good choices. Personally, I'd have Legendary Encounters: Alien way above Marvel, but that is my taste. I can understand why it isn't as high for some because of the scary (and gory) theme.
Is there a boardgame based on "the tragedy of the commons"? The key question throughout that game would be if it is a cooperative game or not
I was sure Big Book of Madness will show up of one of your lists ... big suprise it didn't. But great lists anyway !!
I really enjoy Forbidden Desert, myself.
Agreed. This is one of my go-to co-op games. It's a steal at what, 14 dollars, it plays great for new players and veterans of co-op games alike, and has a really fresh take on what are otherwise very pandemic-y gameplay mechanics.
My top cooperative games have been Pandemic, Dead of Winter and the Forbidden Island/desert series. There are some on the list I have not played so who knows how things will shift form there.
Dead of Winter can be played completely co-op you just have to use the hardcore scenarios.
I feel this video should've had a subtitle, like: Part 2 or (2016).
+Jake Kamps What is the video equivalent of "reprint"? :)
+Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
a Reboot?
azraelswrd ^ nice
Top 10.1 (for the first after it originally being 10.0 or they can leave it at 10.0/10 and make the new one AKA this one 10.2 or top 10: the remix edition)!
Do you have an "all vs. one"-list? If not, would it be possible for you to record one?
Maybe an offtopic question: where did you buy the shelves for your games?
I love Mysterium, one of my favorite party games that my group plays pretty regularly.
Does is get a little boring after a while though? What's the replayability like for Mysterium?
You guys REALLY need to do a playthrough of Robinson Crusoe.
I do also like "Time Stories". But my major problem is: U can play each story only once - lets say u screw over and restart u do it twice or a third time - and thats it. You could show it to some new people...if you know some and see how they go but for the rest it rots in ur boardgameshelf and thats why iam sooo inbetween with this game.
There are probably not enough games to make the list, but Orleans example made me wonder which games has made a successful change of play style (e.g. competitive -> co-op).
Did Mechs vs Minions come out after this video was done? It would definitely be #1 on my list.
Paul Young Yup, came out way later. 8 months to be exact :)
Lots of semi-cooperative (traitor games) games on this list, (Shadows Over Camelot, Battlestar Galactica, and Dead of Winter). Personally I wouldn't include those as they are not strictly cooperative so not everyone wins/loses together, which to me is what makes a cooperative game.
I haven't played a lot of games (just got into the hobby) but here is my short list.
1. Legendary Encounters: Alien
2. Legends of Andor
3. Dead of Winter
4. Sentinels of the Multiverse
5. Pandemic
I think it's time for an update!
can you guys start posting the lists in the descriptions?
It would be great to have the list copyable somewhere.
Was kinda surprised that The Grizzled didn't make it onto any of the lists (particularly Sam's)
#1 Co-op for me is Sentinels of the Multiverse. Then Pandemic (Original or Legacy). Then TIME Stories.
The picture for Orleans was still Commissioned.
You should do a top ten "All Vs. One" games list.
No one mentioned Shadowrun Crossfire :-( , one of my and my gaminggroups favourite games!
Your 3 people top 10 are the best, the individual ones are not nearly as good.
You should consider switching seats from list to list. I'm sure it would alter the power dynamic and make things interesting. How would it go with Zee or Sam in the middle?
On your next top 10 list you guys should do a draft instead so there is no overlap. Then ask the audience who did the best.