@@Noah-bl4idmaybe. Depends on how much attention he drawn to himself, how much his worth is as an American citizen, and on how capable technology of spreading information was back in those days, and how serious his crime was. Hard to tell really, but I'd lean on that he wouldn't be able to send anything. Edit: oh that wasn't that long ago, just a few years.
Armin Tamzarian? A rebellious youth? Ho ho. Superintendent Chamles that sounds like quite the wild dream. Nevertheless I'm glad you're awake. The steamed hams are ready.
"Mmm! These steamed hams are delicious! You just gotta give me the recipe for these!" "Oh ho ho! I'm sorry Superintendent Chalmers, but I'm afraid that's impossible. The main ingredient is no longer with us." "What do you mean? What's the main ingredient?" "....THE REAL SEYMOUR!!!"
When they jumped the shark. It still had funny gags then. This also retcon one of my favorite running gags, that Skinner was a badass straight laced Green beret.
The episode was fun, but all the things which were mentioned before about Skinner, pictures from his time in Vietnam, the flashbacks, and how he returned to the military (they would have known that he was not the real Skinner) had to be retconned for this episode.
I don't remember what season this is, but at a certain point it's a show with a mostly consistent timeline, and at some point it morphs into a vain shadow of that first show.
Yes, the entitled college students protesting a war. When the boys did come home, all the entitled college students threw rocks and rotten fruit at them and called them child killers. Shows you how hypocritical, entitled and judgemental the left can be.
@@Jared_Wignall oh yeah, people keep trying to say that never happen to the Vets but, then historians and writer's never bother too speak to The Vietnam Veteran's who did get spit on.
@@mikearmstrong8989 I think it would have to be a weird nod. Like heavy enough people notice it but not heavy enough that he interacts with main characters. Like they're at the DMV somewhere and off in the background there is Skinner getting mad at a worker because his paperwork won't go through or better the VA.
It was already in the doldrums before this. I think season 9 is when they started with crappy episodes and season 12, or around that point is the one without any good episodes. It got worse from there and continues to degenerate.
Never realized it was Martin Sheen till now....damn between Steve Martin as Ray the Garbage Commissioner, and this role here, the Simpsons had some awesome guest voice actors/roles way back when.
It'd work that the "real" Seymour is an imposter (or just a new principal who seems more qualified for the job) and only reveals our Seymour had a shady young adult past before joining the army, which our Seymour admits and that turns people against him (maybe they're already annoyed they have to come to sucky parent meeting and superintendent is also looking a way to get rid of Skinner), and his bitter mother goes with the scheme because she's an a-hole. Skinner plummets and thinks about if his misdeeds really define him, tries to be a hooligan again, meanwhile everyone begins to miss the real Seymour. Episode plays as normal but Skinner is still Skinner.
BS everyone brings this episode up all the time unprompted. And despite being 20+ years old people still pretend it's a bad episode when it's really, really not.
I feel like this whole turning point episode of The Simpsons could've been avoided if it was all revealed to have just been a dream. What an insult to the audience
Or if Seymour gave his job to Armin after realizing how hard it is and decided to stick around to help his mother. That way we have a new change nights series (Principal Armin and the real Seymour) instead of retconing everything in 20 minutes
I honestly quite like this episode. It might be because it's basically the same plot as Don Draper's in Mad Men, it might be because President Bartlett is in it, it might be because I just really like the name Armin Tamzarian.
Like Comic Book Guy says: Worst episode ever. However, Skinner's past is cool, if you forget all the Sh*t about the other Skinner, we have a more interest character
Most people don't understand the scene where Skinner pick ups jacket and says: "Well its time to pick up where I left"... in reality soldiers return after duty where they left their lifes behind, most in teenager years, thats why skinner returned back to life of "Punk" a really powerful message
I think principal Walter Seymour skinner Sr (born armin calvin tamzarian Sr) might be born in 1943 or 1944 I think his birthday is November 1st plus he's 79 or 78
Everyone hating on this episode, but as a lifelong Simpsons fan, this episode intrigued me as it felt different. Broken fron the normal formula I have seen over 500 times and kinda made Seymour different under a new light. Plus he was still in the military so there's still a lot we don't know about hin that wasnt touched yet. Idk, I just liked this episode 💙
The annoying part about this episode is it isn't even that bad, it actually had solid funny bits. People also exaggerate the "the creators treat this as non-canon" when all they really said is you can treat it as non-canon if you want, WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE EPISODE. The end of the episode is literally a gag about how the status quo just soft resets because its a cartoon. Same way the show has a floating timeline, same way Homer can get fired and rehired, or take another job, or take millions of vacations to have an episode. Skinner's backstory here doesn't even fully break any other backstory he had before, he still served in 'Nam and still did his duty that any of his flashback could easily be real with just minor adjustments. No, the hot take for this is this episode isn't as shark jumpy as people thought, and everyone just pretends its bad because years of media telling them its bad.
The episode is okay - quality wise. But the fact that it sort of slaps longtime fans in the face. And - in the end - was TOTALLY unnecessary. Makes it just awful, imo. ☮
Whole episode could have avoided the retcon if the real Skinner went MIA and our Skinner continued to serve in the military going through all the exploits we see in flashbacks. Then he goes to visit real Skinner's mom after all his time in the military and takes the identity from there. Some of the flashbacks do make sense in the retcon though, his whole platoon dying to an elephant stops anyone from contacting someone who would know he wasn't Skinner.
Ok the reaction of everyone is soo stupid! Hes still the same man he ever was, hes name is different thats all.... And now hes a stranger to them? Morons xD
@@marionuso it's just a show, but...... getting a job, because it was a dream., I wanna have Elon Zuckerbergs job, that's my dream (I am just not okay with effing over a bunch of people :p .... the only problem :p)
Watching this episode feels like some sort of alternate universe where the Simpsons was some sort of serialized drama. I don't know what they were thinking
@@marionuso Maybe for you on the spectrum redditers. It's actually quite a funny episode, the fact Agnus just wanted someone to be subservient to her whims, and how crazy the town is to banish the real guy is priceless. And I think the imposter concept is an interesting premise, especially contrasting Skinner's early life.
I just noticed where Frank Darabont got this story from, The Majestic movie. It was just like that movie, which failed to win Best picture of the year at the Oscars.
Still one of the dumbest recon ever, what's worse is that it's best not to remember it, which is sad because of what the intent might have been good, but how we saw it was a giant slap in the face.
Simpsons should make a what if spin-off aeries, akak of other univers like ex, what if Artie z if won, what if skinner ‘ ardy’ never hit the judge, what if sideshow Bob won isntEd of being caught out by Bart, what if Bart pushed homer car off cliff instead of save him and go to reform camp, what if the boys didn’t go home after wigsphere hit their car, what if the town found out homer and friends wrecked the school via hangover instead of blame the kids,etc
@@Mentally_Ill_Simp unless people consider people opinions as, surprisingly good ideas, like that has happened every now 7 then & and such reply requests have been granted by the hundreds on various channels over the last decade too!
Why did Armin say to Edna "We were planning to see a film tonight"? Americans say "movie", British say "film". I find that really strange in The Simpsons! Also, the part where he said "Spose I'll 'ave to find a hotel". Americans start sentences with something like "Well I guess", again only Brits say "I spose".
Ok but he’s a better son than the original Seymour because in like 26 years the original one never reached out to his mother at all.
he stated he was held prisoner in china until recently
@@foxbunsstill tho he could have sent a letter
@@Noah-bl4id from Chinese prison camp? lol
@@foxbunsI’m pretty sure they have mail in china numb nuts
@@Noah-bl4idmaybe. Depends on how much attention he drawn to himself, how much his worth is as an American citizen, and on how capable technology of spreading information was back in those days, and how serious his crime was. Hard to tell really, but I'd lean on that he wouldn't be able to send anything.
Edit: oh that wasn't that long ago, just a few years.
"If I'd known there was a war on I would have just apologized" lol
But then he decided to impersonate... another soldier
In the full clip he is given the choice between jail, the army, and to apologise to the old lady
Armin Tamzarian? A rebellious youth? Ho ho. Superintendent Chamles that sounds like quite the wild dream. Nevertheless I'm glad you're awake. The steamed hams are ready.
"Mmm! These steamed hams are delicious! You just gotta give me the recipe for these!"
"Oh ho ho! I'm sorry Superintendent Chalmers, but I'm afraid that's impossible. The main ingredient is no longer with us."
"What do you mean? What's the main ingredient?"
"....THE REAL SEYMOUR!!!"
*Super Nintendo Chalmers
When they jumped the shark. It still had funny gags then. This also retcon one of my favorite running gags, that Skinner was a badass straight laced Green beret.
The nightmare of having your whole platoon eaten by an elephant was just a lie. I'm not willing to accept that.
@@byrondejong9872 don't worry, Matt groening said this wasn't canon, he actually despises this episode
He's still a badass Green beret in this episode.
It's mainly his name that's different
Boo hoo, get over it
@@ToxicTurquoise454wow you really showed them dude
And the real Seymour moved to New Hampshire and ran for president😂
The episode was fun, but all the things which were mentioned before about Skinner, pictures from his time in Vietnam, the flashbacks, and how he returned to the military (they would have known that he was not the real Skinner) had to be retconned for this episode.
But the episode also retconned his past as well in a way that made no sense.
True, but you can say the same about a lot of Simpsons lore, so much of it contradicts itself that it's all just one big jumbled mess.
This episode itself is no longer considered canon.
I don't remember what season this is, but at a certain point it's a show with a mostly consistent timeline, and at some point it morphs into a vain shadow of that first show.
Fun does not mean good.
6:19 one of Nelson’s best Ha-ha’s 😂😂
idk why but I burst out laughing too xD
It's almost a running joke that Nelson's Ha-ha's have a variety of meanings, like when Bart breaks his leg or when Flanders laments Edna
"But, I'm a war hero" Homer " and we salute you" ; guess kind of a look on how we treated Vietnam Veteran's when they came back.
Yes, the entitled college students protesting a war. When the boys did come home, all the entitled college students threw rocks and rotten fruit at them and called them child killers. Shows you how hypocritical, entitled and judgemental the left can be.
Typical yanks.
That and they were spit on and called names due to how unpopular the Vietnam War was.
@@Jared_Wignall oh yeah, people keep trying to say that never happen to the Vets but, then historians and writer's never bother too speak to The Vietnam Veteran's who did get spit on.
@@jaggg.3821We've all seen Rambo we know the Vietnam vets were treated like crap
Great now we got a rogue Seymour. It would be awesome if he made a cameo as a background character.
What if he appears on a Season 35 episode?
Made by Ghostwriter
@@mikearmstrong8989 I think it would have to be a weird nod. Like heavy enough people notice it but not heavy enough that he interacts with main characters. Like they're at the DMV somewhere and off in the background there is Skinner getting mad at a worker because his paperwork won't go through or better the VA.
Either that or a fight scene would be cool. Both of them fighting each other.
You've cut Ralph's ''go banana''! The single best line in the whole series. That's unforgivable.
The real question is who can steam the best ham
They should make an episode where Sargent Seymour Skinner comes back to the town for certain reasons
If this was a movie plot I’ll be an awesome one!
This was the turning point of the simpsons.
And not in a good way.
I guess
For some people. It gets a lot of unmerited hate.
@@spicysashage1886 Nothing "unmerited". It's garbage.
It was already in the doldrums before this. I think season 9 is when they started with crappy episodes and season 12, or around that point is the one without any good episodes. It got worse from there and continues to degenerate.
I used to the love Simpsons it changed so much over the last 5 years I can’t watch it anymore
This is from season 9…
5 years? Try 20.
90s i loved@@Quole1234
Identity theft is not a joke. Millions of families suffer every year!
Thanks Dwight
I feel that the original Seymour should've been Armin Tamzarian
Nice cameo from Martin sheen
Never realized it was Martin Sheen till now....damn between Steve Martin as Ray the Garbage Commissioner, and this role here, the Simpsons had some awesome guest voice actors/roles way back when.
The most important aspect to this project was that we lovingly made the decision ❤
It'd work that the "real" Seymour is an imposter (or just a new principal who seems more qualified for the job) and only reveals our Seymour had a shady young adult past before joining the army, which our Seymour admits and that turns people against him (maybe they're already annoyed they have to come to sucky parent meeting and superintendent is also looking a way to get rid of Skinner), and his bitter mother goes with the scheme because she's an a-hole.
Skinner plummets and thinks about if his misdeeds really define him, tries to be a hooligan again, meanwhile everyone begins to miss the real Seymour. Episode plays as normal but Skinner is still Skinner.
That would have made much more sense
James Earl Jones narrated well. 😂
We never speak of this episode
One of few old simpsons episodes everyone pretends it never existed
BS everyone brings this episode up all the time unprompted. And despite being 20+ years old people still pretend it's a bad episode when it's really, really not.
How could you cut out "go banana" lmao
Homer and Skinner synchronizing. 7:40
Suddenly Seymour 🎶
Armen Tamzarian is an Armenian name ....usually loyal type of people
Isnt his name Armin?
I feel like this whole turning point episode of The Simpsons could've been avoided if it was all revealed to have just been a dream. What an insult to the audience
Or if Seymour gave his job to Armin after realizing how hard it is and decided to stick around to help his mother. That way we have a new change nights series (Principal Armin and the real Seymour) instead of retconing everything in 20 minutes
well it's not canon, so it's not fact
@@rexjolles Ultimate retcon even before audiences first reaction
Not really, at all lmao. If you think this is an insult, you have bad taste and are extremely thin skinned
Agness doesn’t salute her own son😂 she just watches him go.
Arman is like the original Don Draper....
Moe , a Hero ...
The End
I honestly quite like this episode. It might be because it's basically the same plot as Don Draper's in Mad Men, it might be because President Bartlett is in it, it might be because I just really like the name Armin Tamzarian.
Why people hate this episode so much?, It no changes nothing, skinner keeps being the Vietnam veteran. xD
Like Comic Book Guy says: Worst episode ever. However, Skinner's past is cool, if you forget all the Sh*t about the other Skinner, we have a more interest character
Fun fact! Armin and skinner worked for the Green Berets! Apparently the most elite unit in america along with the 75th, NSDWG, Delta and much more.
Bart"principal Skinner"? Principal Skinner"up your children"
6:15 idk why this cracks me up every time 😂
Harry Shearer voice,I love his voice
Not going to lie, this is the way I am with clocks in my house.
You replace them with your real son?
Nelson laughing at Skinner for being a war hero was so unexpected
Moe also saved them
"One very special person."
*Moe's good deeds using the fan and parasol.*
Most people don't understand the scene where Skinner pick ups jacket and says: "Well its time to pick up where I left"... in reality soldiers return after duty where they left their lifes behind, most in teenager years, thats why skinner returned back to life of "Punk" a really powerful message
5:04 That must be where he picked up on Steamed Hams
"I'm from Utica and I've never used Canadian dollars in my life!"
"No, not in Utica, it's more of an Albany thing."
I think principal Walter Seymour skinner Sr (born armin calvin tamzarian Sr) might be born in 1943 or 1944
I think his birthday is November 1st plus he's 79 or 78
7:05 "Why is Marge here?" Is just so funny to me for some reason
This is basically how the lost boys came to be.
Principal Seymour was a alpha male
The one liners were perfect in this era of the Simpsoms.
Everyone hating on this episode, but as a lifelong Simpsons fan, this episode intrigued me as it felt different. Broken fron the normal formula I have seen over 500 times and kinda made Seymour different under a new light. Plus he was still in the military so there's still a lot we don't know about hin that wasnt touched yet. Idk, I just liked this episode 💙
The annoying part about this episode is it isn't even that bad, it actually had solid funny bits.
People also exaggerate the "the creators treat this as non-canon" when all they really said is you can treat it as non-canon if you want, WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE EPISODE. The end of the episode is literally a gag about how the status quo just soft resets because its a cartoon.
Same way the show has a floating timeline, same way Homer can get fired and rehired, or take another job, or take millions of vacations to have an episode. Skinner's backstory here doesn't even fully break any other backstory he had before, he still served in 'Nam and still did his duty that any of his flashback could easily be real with just minor adjustments.
No, the hot take for this is this episode isn't as shark jumpy as people thought, and everyone just pretends its bad because years of media telling them its bad.
maybe its because he didnt had any parents, when he met seymor mother he never had the mother in his life
I like this.
How'd they cut out the best line? "Up yours children". 😢
This was the episode where the simpsons jumped the shark
Literally the man who sold the world
Milhouse is just as worthless as his father.
I’m glad Lisa dumped him and told him she could never love someone, then ends up marrying someone lol
This was the most nonsensical episode ever but it was still well done classic Simpsons. Anyway, I'm glad they got rid of the 'authentic skinner' LOL!
The episode is okay - quality wise.
But the fact that it sort of slaps longtime fans in the face.
And - in the end - was TOTALLY unnecessary.
Makes it just awful, imo.
☮
"glamorous past"?? I hope you mean the motorcycle and leather jacket and not the robbing old ladies and traffic accidents...
Whole episode could have avoided the retcon if the real Skinner went MIA and our Skinner continued to serve in the military going through all the exploits we see in flashbacks. Then he goes to visit real Skinner's mom after all his time in the military and takes the identity from there. Some of the flashbacks do make sense in the retcon though, his whole platoon dying to an elephant stops anyone from contacting someone who would know he wasn't Skinner.
Missed Chalmers line at 0:24: "Good lord, the rod up that guy's butt must have a rod up it's butt!"😆
Ok the reaction of everyone is soo stupid! Hes still the same man he ever was, hes name is different thats all.... And now hes a stranger to them? Morons xD
the episode that never should..... also.. why would real seymour get to be principal, just like that :p
It was his dream.
@@marionuso it's just a show, but...... getting a job, because it was a dream., I wanna have Elon Zuckerbergs job, that's my dream (I am just not okay with effing over a bunch of people :p .... the only problem :p)
hes so FINE
" Up yours children "
Watching this episode feels like some sort of alternate universe where the Simpsons was some sort of serialized drama. I don't know what they were thinking
How come the real Skinner never returned?
Episode end reset. It was a thing most always. That and this whole idea was garbage.
Would you really want to come back to a town that tied you up an banished you on a train?
@@marionuso Maybe for you on the spectrum redditers. It's actually quite a funny episode, the fact Agnus just wanted someone to be subservient to her whims, and how crazy the town is to banish the real guy is priceless. And I think the imposter concept is an interesting premise, especially contrasting Skinner's early life.
@@urbanyouthsIt's silly. It's not the worst episode. But it's a marker of when the series began to decline. It continues declining to this day.
@@jimreily7538 No, that's not the episode that marked the decline, it's when Dana Gould took over production and ran it into the ground.
“You know anything about being a principal?”
“Well it’s been my lifelong ambition!”
“Good enough!”
This is how teacher recruitment actually works.
Internet king
Boy, I sure hope somebody got fired for this blunder!!!!
armin tamzarian....atleast the truth does hurt alot more then a lie.
I love Bart messing with old man.
Steamed hams
Mad Men before mad men
"It's been my ambition" is not the same as "Yes, I have the ability to teach"
I just noticed where Frank Darabont got this story from, The Majestic movie. It was just like that movie, which failed to win Best picture of the year at the Oscars.
"Up yours, children!"
@0:55 that reminds me of Howard Wolowitz's mom.
Willie the teachers lounge is for teachers.
Poor Willie. 😂
Old neighborhood? Doesn't he mean glendale where the most Armenians are at
Still one of the dumbest recon ever, what's worse is that it's best not to remember it, which is sad because of what the intent might have been good, but how we saw it was a giant slap in the face.
"Mrs Krabapple, the pledge please."
Seymour tell me what time it is NOW
Is this episode before or after mad men
Waaaay before
7:19 That's an amazing joke!!
2:31 That's Why Bart hates Him so much
naah not true, he hates him as a principal he likes him as a bad boy troublemaker
You cut out the best part.
"Go banana!"
A very underrated Simpsons episode The Principal and the Pauper
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Simpsons should make a what if spin-off aeries, akak of other univers like ex, what if Artie z if won, what if skinner ‘ ardy’ never hit the judge, what if sideshow Bob won isntEd of being caught out by Bart, what if Bart pushed homer car off cliff instead of save him and go to reform camp, what if the boys didn’t go home after wigsphere hit their car, what if the town found out homer and friends wrecked the school via hangover instead of blame the kids,etc
Hmm. I didn't read that, but I think the youtube comment section is pointless.
@@Mentally_Ill_Simp unless people consider people opinions as, surprisingly good ideas, like that has happened every now 7 then & and such reply requests have been granted by the hundreds on various channels over the last decade too!
@@mikeohawk95they’ve done episodes where Artie ziff won, and if sideshow Bob won
S34, Ep3 actually covered something similar
@@toainsully so what episode was it
Seymour skinner cared for armin tamzarian
Episode: The Principal And The Pauper (AKA the worst episode of all time).
For you on the spectrum redditers. The jokes are really funny if you were able to ignore your "muh canon" tism.
@urbanyouths we just don't like it. Lobbing insults doesn't change people having an opinion.
just realized this is literally the plot of mad men
Haha nelsons laugh
They doing there own thing, confusing. Principal skinner
6:30 this Seymour doesn’t like listening to his mom
I remembered it wasnt review well this ep
The lord of the flies Allusion was gold
Why did Armin say to Edna "We were planning to see a film tonight"? Americans say "movie", British say "film". I find that really strange in The Simpsons!
Also, the part where he said "Spose I'll 'ave to find a hotel". Americans start sentences with something like "Well I guess", again only Brits say "I spose".
The day the simpsons died
Goofy episode