@@kirandev believe me, EVERYTHING is crackable, everything. Not by amateurs obviously, if you have the money (a lot of) you can crack whatever you want.
Yeah I thought my simple bootstrap website could never get me hacked, I didn't have to worry about plugins and updates etc... I never gave it a second thought and one day my contact form ended up being the vulnerability, and someone used it to submit a malicious script onto my hosting account... what an embarrassing amateur mistake...
The main pro of WordPress is that it is cost-effective. You can buy a shared server with multisite (addons domains) for around $200 (even less) a year and use WordPress for free for many websites on that server. That makes using WordPress a way more valuable alternative. A "Basic" plan from Webflow costs around $170 yearly for only one website. The extra design effort with WordPress is 100% worth it for me. You shared some excellent arguments, and I love Flux Academy!
1. Sounds like you never used custom post types on WP with Elementor. A bit complex but it's crazy, you can do whatever you want. 2. You can change the entire design of the WP dashboard to meet your needs. BTW, what's the status of the eCommerce on Webflow? WooCommerce gives you endless options...
Elementor causes bloat because it’s a third party builder added on top of WordPress. Same with all the other page builders except for Oxygen (which has its own issues). If you want WordPress to be fast without expensive hosting, use a fast theme and Gutenberg blocks that have clean code (like Kadence Blocks). But Gutenberg is still clunky as hell, especially when compared to Webflow and Sitejet. Or go with Organic Themes, which are customizer-based themes that use widgets as native page builders. That should be the future of WordPress, but the idiots shaping the future want to do away with the customizer and have all site editing be done in that clunky as hell and narrow Gutenberg view, which is only good for blog posts but not page and template design.
One thing you can do is use Webflow and Wordpress together. Build your site/theme with all the power of the design tools in webflow and then using the udesly adaptor change it to a wordpress theme and use the power of wordpress cms + woocommerce etc. This can help keep costs down if thats an issue for some. I am a DESIGNER and have built sites for 20 years - html/css/js/php. I have used both wordpress with/without elementor/divi etc and webflow. Webflow for me is just a much quicker workflow and actually can be used in many ways outside of the webflow hosted environment. The webflow CMS is however pretty cool and Iove not having to add and manage plugins to do stuff that should come out of the box.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I will start studying communikationdesign in Germany but wanna start making and selling websites along the way. Currently I am finding out on which website builder I should start learning. I know I will need both (and in the future I will start lesting HTML or CSS) but for the design aspect I think creating website on Adobe xD, implement it on Webflow and upload it on Wordpress. If you got any more tipps feel free to share! And thanks again🌞
but is udesly good? like does the forms and animations and responsiveness and CMS still works after converting it to wordpress? or it's just a static website and just conserve the design? thank you so mush for your time and really need an answer
One word - Oxygen builder...well that's two but...it's basically web builder (when Elementor is a page builder) for wordpress, producing clean code without any bloat. It has almost all features as webflow, with woocommerce support, and the pricing is one time payment for life ($99). And it allows you to design stuff from pixel 1, you aren't using any theme.
I just recently use both of them, because for larger sites and premium plugins WordPress is the best option, what I do is make the whole design in Webflow with all the animations, interfaces, the cool stuff, etc. and then I migrate the website to WordPress.
I'm a WordPress developer in my current position. All of the points you make are valid and very persuasive. If designers or developers are building landing pages or small(ish) marketing sites, Webflow wins hands down. I do know there are large scale sites that are probably easier to run on a customized WordPress build. My guess is that's the type of developer you'll get push back from the most. As far as price is concerned, time saved in updates, the potential for disaster, and having to bring in a developer to help should be tacked onto the price tag of WordPress hosting. Only then can you see if Webflow comes out more expensive or not. For most non-custom marketing sites Webflow will empower the owner, be safer, and is infinitely easier to maintain. Ran, thanks for the breakdown. Just wanted to sort out where Webflow is good and when it might be better to get a bigger, more complex tool.
I care about drag and drop. I dont know much about websites. i want something simple. I have so many problems with my wordpress site crashing maybe because im not a designer. Do you recommend Duda or webflow? Wich one will load faster?
@@gecalifetv No, I try to work locally, if possible then migrate over to the server using the migrate dB plug in. I e found that to be the best solution.
@@renefernandez2066 I dont know anything about Duda. Webflow will load fast because it is a static site. WordPress has to build the site each time the page loads. Webflow will serve the site all at once as an already built page.
I'm having a really hard time justifying webflow hosting when it literally costs 5x more than hosting sites that support wordpress. When dealing with small local businesses they do not want or need to pay for premium plugins so it really is much much cheaper for them.
@@rsstudio572 I literally said "small local businesses". Anyways it's not that they can't afford webflow hosting, they just don't think it is worth spending 5x more money a month on.
Josiah Baumgartner Same here. I charge to host websites on my own because I like the extra monthly revenue and Webflow just doesn't make sense for me, no matter how much I like it. Until you can export and host on your own with the Webflow CMS, I think I'll be sticking with Elementor.
I pay $13 dlls for domain and host for 1 year here in Mexico. For me living here Webflow is so expensive, i really like webflow, but, how do i justify the host price in webflow? i can't. So, got my elementor for $45 the year for all my sites. Active the plugin on the new project, finish the site, desactive the plugin and jumping to the new project.
Sometimes there are big problems with wordpress.... i updated elementor pro plugin and my site went down. Had to reinstall an older backup. And if a client does an update on his own without a backup and then the site crashes thats a big pitty. Cant happen with webflow. Thats the only thing why i consider to move to webflow. The crashes and site vulnerability of wordpress is so annoying....
I couldn't agree with this video more. I have been a long time user of Wordpress with Elementor. Love Elementor, hate Wordpress. There's just so many plugins and although you can do more with it, the hassle of keeping up with all of those plugins, with many of them being paid or some not being updated, it's really annoying. In this day and age, we are so overwhelmed with information that this just adds to it. Since switching to webflow I feel like I still have everything I need, or most, so it's perfect and I feel like it's lessened my brain mess lol. Also, when people say they don't want to pay for webflow I have to say, the money you spend on plugins and the time that you spend with Wordpress makes up for the cost of webflow, time is money.
You are very convincing, your argumentation is sound and recognizable. For now I’m sticking with WordPres because I’ve built a whole system of Premium themes, plugins and livelong licenses. But I can see the enormous advantage of Webflow! Especially when one is a designer in the first place (like me). Webflow is for my near future!
All of these webflow sponsored CZcamsrs sound like they haven’t used WordPress in forever or just haven't really used it. I find it really fishy that all of these CZcamsrs seem to have the same over sponsored webflow content that also has the goal to make you think Wordpress is just the old platform that no "smart" person would use anymore. They all say the same things. We know Webflow is easier to use, that's obvious, but that's literally all that it offers. The beauty of open-source platforms like WordPress is that millions of developers are improving it every day, these website builders like Webflow can't compete in any way other than the design and ease of use of the software itself. Elementor changed the game with Wordpress page builders. The only thing webflow is better with is the actual builder itself and/or it’s UI/UX, I have used it extensively and I would recommend it over something like Wix and Weebly. Unless I was basically building fancy portfolio websites which is basically what you seem to do, I would use WordPress in a heartbeat. The functionality isn’t even in the same universe. You could theoretically use the webflow builder and just transfer it to WordPress. I would rather just use Elementor personally.
I feel that all your arguments are a little one-sided and miss the point a bit. For one, both Wordpress and Webflow are - on their own - not ideal. If you want to have an actual discussion on what would be the best alternative, it would actually be to learn how to code and not rely on any design builders. HTML and CSS are relatively simple, and basic PHP and Javascript will get you a long way. If you know how to code in Wordpress, you’ll be quite fast with your setup as well, I build a lot of my websites in 2 or 3 days max. You make it seem like your 2 options are the only options, whereas being a web designer, in a lot of cases, even if you’re not coding, requires some knowledge of coding anyway. If you overdo it with plugins in Wordpress, it might become slower, but in most cases that’s pretty rare. And again, if you know some code, you don’t need too many plugins, especially none that would substantially slow you down. But with Webflow you have no control over what code exactly it outputs and to claim that it’s faster also depends on a case by case basis. For instance, your own homepage built on Webflow has a rating of around 80 on Google Pagespeed Insights, whereas most of the sites I’ve done in Wordpress - despite not being a great developer myself - are above 90. You’re also coming across as relatively dismissive of any counterarguments and like you’re talking down to your audience, even though I find myself agreeing with the arguments of your strawman arguments. Wordpress hosting (or, I guess, regular hosting where you install wordpress) runs me around $40 a year, and that includes enough traffic for a normal company, and also includes things like SSL. Wordpress is, originally, maybe a blogging platform, but again, you’re being very dismissive of its options and you make if seem like it’s only for blog posts, even though you can easily set up menus, different pages, etc. Additionally, you talk about SEO and that you’ve seen no proof about SEO being superior in Wordpress. I don’t know whether it is or not, but you don’t seem like you’ve really done any research into it either. Wordpress comes with pretty solid SEO out of the box and can easily be extended with simple plugins that don’t make your site bloated. You talk about link structure and meta tags in Webflow, but those are things you can also do in Wordpress. And of course you’ve seen articles about Webflow being better that Wordpress, because you use Webflow and you’re more likely to come across articles that speak in favor of Webflow. Altogether I’d say that yes, if you want to entirely forgo coding and have no interest in it whatsoever, maybe Webflow has a bit of an edge over Wordpress. But then again, you’re kind of just talking around the problem and ignore coding. I found this video highly frustrating because you even admit that you’re not a developer and it’s relatively obvious you lack perspective and talk in absolutes, whereas in reality this subject could need a little more nuance.
WordPress lets you tap into literally millions of dollars worth of code for free. Custom coding is great for enterprise and highly custom projects, but an insanely ill-advised choice for most businesses and 99% of websites.
@@WyzrdCat that's completely false. 'custom coding' should be the default. i think wordpress people just think code is so magical. most drag n drop stuff would just be a line or two of code. it's markup and not programming. it's not that difficult or crazy. The benefit of doing it this way is you can make it much more responsive. I'm not even sure WP devs even consider responsiveness. I tried elementor but it drove me nuts trying to make an image responsive. on tablet or phone for example, it would ruin the layout. this would take 1 line of code in css to fix. stuff like flexbox / grid and modern css makes it super easy to build layouts. I actually think elementor makes it harder and takes longer sometimes to get what you want, because it bugs out all the time and you have to fiddle around with the buttons to get it to work. and then you end up using code to try to fix it. why not just use code for the whole thing at that point? it kind of makes no sense
I have to recognize that Webflow has achieved some great features for front-end design, but I think that is not in the same level as wordpress. You just need to learn a little bit of Css-JavaScript and maybe a framework like bootstrap to make things way more professional than Webflow can achieve. Also, with wordpress you have the flexibility to integrate different technologies and microservices which are not allowed in Webflow because basically you have to adapt to the features that the engineering team brings to production. So basically, I think that webflow has really good tools and is great for people who want a quick drag and drop solution to design websites, but when it comes to creating a big project with a high level customization in the front end (Managing states, integrating Css/JavaScript frameworks, integrating microservices, etc) I would choose without doubt Wordpress, and regarding SEO, I think that there's no comparison because actually with wordpress you can modify the base code to make it more SEO-Friendly. With Webflow, again, you are limited by the tools that the engineering team decides to put in production, so just for that, i think that Wordpress is way superior than Webflow and this video just shows that you have 0 experience working with Wordpress at a professional level.
I've being using Webflow for 3 years and simply love it. In addition, I think it's also a coding school... I'm not a developer but learned a lot just designing with Webflow.
I liked your review, however, you have some diehard WP peeps (maybe WP employees) commenting. I agree with some points on both sides, but it appears many are comfortable and are set in their ways...sorted like an old dog. I've been using WP for 10+ years. Without Elementor, which was a Godsend, WP probably would have been dead years ago. I'm going to give it a whirl, but I'm going to keep WP in my back pocket. I believe once WebFlow listens to enough designers and developers it would be a matter of time before they become an undisputed website builder contender to be reckoned with. Good job ruffling some WP feathers! That's what it's about.
I think Wordpress with elementor is still a great tool, with the similar features of webflow(drag and drop design, custom code, animation, responsive design) while having dynamic features of Wordpress. Just tried recently for my portfolio website.
Man, you earn yourself new subscriber, and you literally answered my questions, I am a web designer / developer using wordpress and I do want to change because of the limitations that I face using wordpress, as a freelancer who has many clients, what webflow plan do you suggest ? I also hav another question, does webflow has control in domain to create subdomains ? does they have email accounts under your domain ? thank you
We have a video about plans. I actually never bought a domain with webflow, I get them on godaddy, create subdomains there and just connect them to webflow
I totally agree w/concerns about Wordpress security...and on several occasions my ISP shut down WordPress sites, then pitching some expensive service to "clean things up." There's a black box element to that style of work and plugins can't easily conflict. On top of that I love the ease w/which you can create scrollable animations and awesome interactions in minutes.
Webflow is really awesome when it comes to designing a website but if you need a custom and more complex backend you can still exporte the code. I just found that in most cases, Webflow do the job and do it pretty well !
Technical Infrastructure setup is important and you need to know how it works. How can you design for something if you have no idea how it works? As a UX and UI designer myself I thinks it's important that a designer should at least code and understand basic infrastructure setup
I agree with you Rohan. You should checkout Webflow University which runs through a lot of content. Then with regards to the ethics and what's 'morally-right', it's up to the individual I guess. If only we lived in a prefect world!
WEBFLOW IS NOT BETTER THAN WORDPRESS Oh man, this your video is just so childish and unprofessional.. is just like saying why my mother is better than yours. You sound like fan guys arguing over mac or win... Never heard people at Wordpress saying "why WordPress is better than webflow". We use Webflow for some projects, among other site advanced editors like Pinegrow and we also use wordpress for corporate projects. All these apps has their domains. Example, corporate clients will laugh at webflow solutions when it comes down to say cms or e-commerce or even hosting solutions. Corporates will never rely on a web app with its own proprietary cms to host anything. The minute they go down, you go down with them. Lately, wf have been plague with downtimes and bugs, we have lost chunks of works, hours of web design and when this happens we at our studio look at each other and don't even blame no one...we know is like this when you use web apps and rely on who knows who, we accept it. It has its downsides. A lot. Try building with wf and advanced eCommerce with multiple shipping addresses, client registrations upon geolocation, advanced custom fields and integrate your company ERP with the database etc etc... and don't come to me with member stack and foxy cart things.. WP is maybe the most powerful cms in the world. IS OPEN SOURCE platform, you what this means? You literally download their CMS and host where ever you want. The slowness you talk about is because people use themes that are code bloated in order to meet everyone's needs. Try building your own themes in wp. We build our own custom wp themes and let me tell you they are lighting fast and SEO google LOVE wp. Budget wise, with the same money you pay a wf professional designer (not a kid making a life out of it) you get a wp pro developer. WP keeps evolving, they now use Guttenberg blocks but maybe you knot know what is this. We think WF can be compared to say other friendly web apps but not to wordpress. You compare WP to say Magento 2 or expression engine cms not to WF. It is evident you have built your entire career around a single platform and in order to keep going client retention is necessary by all means, by all means. but please man show some restraint... you are misguiding people here. WEBFLOW IS NOT BETTER THAN WORDPRESS. Just different animals. Having said this, we use WF for some projects when we found it adequate. It's a good service overall. Note for beginners, Yes, you can build a career around WP as it is an industry-standard, companies actually hire wp experts. cheers.
EXACTLY, these Webflow sponsored content creators are so annoying. I work with real-estate clients and unless I'm just building a portfolio site for an agent I wouldn't even consider using webflow, I need IDX integration which will never be added to webflow. The only thing that annoys me more than Webflow CZcamsrs are people that code their websites manually and look down on cms platforms like Wordpress. A lot of "code elitists" act like Wordpress and Wix are basically the same thing.
@@techjudge8049 yeah, when a company stops growing it might become aggressive through its associates and sponsored kids but I don't see why misinforming people. Most of what this guy here says is not true or purposedly inaccurate. Throwing junk at WordPress seems pretty easy as they don't do "marketing". They don't need to. Why don't they go after Squarespace or Wix. A campaign from those two against webflow would be devastating for wf numbers... Don't get me wrong..The studio i work for sometimes use WF for some simple projects. but...
I was super stoked about Webflow then started with a paid monthly sub, until I found out it costs me more time to set up a layout than in my Wordpress workflow, and when I ditched Webflow was when I could not use the fonts from the best one in the world: Hoefler&Co, typography.com . They use CSS files that need to be uploaded, did not have this option when building on the webflow platform, and they never followed up on a support forum question about this. I know you are a Webflow ambassador, but to me, I have BY FAR the most options with Wordpress, Elementor Pro and when needed custom fields. There's nothing that Webflow can do that a well-equipped Wordpress setup can't do.
I haven't tried Webflow yet but you are right about everything you say about Wordpress. Almost always completely bloated code (not good performance/not SEO friendly), individual customization with limits (unless you write a bunch of CSS/JS) and not customer friendly at all for complex designs. Every time I have to set up Server Cashing, a CDN Service, image and script compression and so on. And still a Wordpress website never reaches the performance of a cleanly coded website. Not to mention JavaScript frameworks like VueJS (+ Nuxt) or React (+ Next).
Wow dude. I usually enjoy your videos but this video is so misguided. Nearly every point you made is inaccurate. I'm not going to list them as there are so many arguments against this video. I think you are confusing WordPress from 2010 with the WordPress of today. Is this video just click bait or are you being paid to bad mouth Wordpress?
Totally agree. I'm migrating all my marketing and publishers websites from WordPress to Webflow. It's way way from the future, WordPress is really a total pain. If for developers, it's a real pain. Webflow on the other side, a CMS from the future. I believe it's the evolution of building websites.
You can easily make custom templates using Visual Bakery, Elementor, or Cornerstone (the three most popular visual builders). Skies the limit with customization with your own server and Wordpress. Not the same can be said for Webflow.
Ran, even if I agree with all of your arguments (btw I don't), almost all projects I have worked with require some customization when you need either knowledge how to do it or a help from a fellow developer. What would you do in that case? Need to have a someone who could help you. Hype around these website builders is that you don't need anyone is so wrong except if you create 5 pages website (home, about, product/service, gallery, contact) . I think these days websites are more than that.
I agree that there are advantages and disadvantages to using WordPress. I have not tried webflow yet but it has caught my eye. Most managed WordPress hosts offer all of that stuff (CDN, caching, automated backups, etc...) by default. Trying to transition from one CMS to another is not an easy task especially if you have been using it for many years. Speed is definitely a factor for any build and it does take some work to optimize for and I focus on that right from the beginning but I get what you're saying. With webflow you don't have to think about it .
Working on Wordpress for many years 5+. It’s such a hassle dealing with how slow it is. Having to install plugins to make it faster was another issue. Wasting time and money for that. Good point outs Ran.
Great discussion about "Webflow vs Wordpress" and it can be endless =) Saying shortly about: 1. Webflow is mostly for web designers, who does not really want (or care) about coding (programming languages), to have the job done without type any line of code. 2. Wordpress is for the web developers, who know how to code (in HTML, PHP, CSS + MySQL databases), in this case they have more flexibility as they can easily edit web pages behind the Wordpress Control Panel, diving inside any page source code. For regards to site templates - good web developers can create their own themes in Wordpress too.
Thanks for the vid! Well made! Sounds like a cool tool, however I feels kind of dangerous to sell generate code (websites) built using that tool if I am not a developer. I mean in the end someone has to support the end customer. Would be nice to hear a developers perspective on this.
@@ham2956 Not at all, it is completely free and if you build your own custom templates, widgets, tools then you manage it yourself. Where is gets expensive is hiring a skilled developer to manage and build these custom things. It's not all rocked science, anyone can do it however large scale you don't want a moron tackling large corporation data integration or eCommerce for that matter. Now THAT can get extremely expensive to ;-)
@@ham2956 Depends on the size of the site and business. I'm about to close a deal for a local tutor. He wants 4 pages on his site. The only functionality he wants is a contact form, the rest will be static pages. Tell me how much money I need to spend on premium plugins. I don't need to spend anything, I can get by on all free plugins and custom code. Hosting for a wordpress site is easy to find at under $3/mo. Webflow with CMS is $16/mo. I love working on webflow but I can't convince every client to spend that much more on hosting.
I haven't tried wordpress but from what I've heard from friends who tried it, the setup is a pain in the ass. The learning curve is way better for Webflow. I learnt the whole thing in about month, myself, and am currently in the process of finishing it up.
Good points! I have been working on Wordpress for about 6 years and started to move to Webflow last year. To me, it really depends on what the client prefers, many of my clients are used to Wordpress. So I end up building their websites on Wordpress, and the editing has not been a problem, they can edit their content in the front-end just like on Webflow. But since I design everything from scratch, I prefer to use Webflow. It really gives me the freedom to create my own designs, without worrying about all the tech stuff. What I have been noticing lately, maybe since I began to use Webflow, is that I spend more time maintaining a Wordpress website than growing the website -_-. Whereas the stuff I have build on Webflow are consistently growing. For those who are DEVELOPERS and need more control of the servers and all that Wordpress will win. But if you are not into that, and your client doesn't really need to be in control of that either, Webflow for the win.
Leo Pirela You’re saying it depends on what the client prefers. I think often clients don’t even know what they need or want. Some only seem to say „I need a WP site“ cos that’s what they’re familiar with. By showing them some of the advantages WF has they might see that WP might not be the best solution for their problem. Of course it always depends on the project and what works best in a particular situation.
@@lauraniebel3510 Hey, yeah of course. I would show them the benefits of either one. I am just not 100% for one or the other. And the clients I have worked with, especially the agencies, they knew what their team is familiar with, so they would prefer WP. Same thing with the resort and hospitality clients. Some have accepted to move to Webflow without an issue.
@@DesignerWisdom Yes, I agree many agencies are still much more familiar with WP than WF. Hope this is changing a bit in the near future. I think some of the smaller agencies are waking up a bit now to WF and use it to their advantage which I think is great!
@@boxfox007 How do you define a serious project? I've recently completed a WF website for an engineering firm, as well as one for a boutique realtor. Wouldn't say they're not serious projects. I think it all depends on what exactly the project entails and which tool can best achieve what you need to do.
Really interesting discussion, it seems like for certain purposes webflow is excellent while for others the traditional WP + hosting setup would be more robust. In the beginning I wasn't convinced but will definitely give webflow a try and see what it's capable of.
I'm a Wordpress user right now and I feel the limitations in terms of Design. I think that web designers that know a bit of CSS and HTML webflow is a powerful tool for more creative and out of the box websites, where you as a designer can focus only on the design and UX instead of worrying about how you gonna make something work the way you visioned in Wordpress, and most of the times you can't do what you want, you kind get stuck with a more standard website. The only thing that is keeping me for the transition to webflow is the hosting not offering email accounts for the clients. I don't know how other people usually do, but my clients don't want to pay to host a website and pay to have email accounts when most of the hosting companies offer that service in all the packages. If possible It would be nice if you can make a video explaining (if you know) why webflow don't offer email accounts in their hosting or start a petition to that feature.
I'm a rails developer and have tried elementor on wordpress before, while it was really good on what it offers. The added plugins and stuff we install on the site slows down the performance of the wordpress build. My client tried to add a plugin I don't know why he needed too, but I believe the site would be working fine without it, guess what...the site immediately turned slow and was down hours later. Even logging in to the wp-admin page was supeeeer slow as heck. Glad I came from a programming intensive environment and killed the bugger plugin after a few minutes of debugging. I heard webflow back few months back but I only tried it today to see if I could see use of it's designing capabilities. And yes, SEO editing is supported out of the box on webflow. * You kept on saying "as a designer". As a designer you should be focusing on the job which is designing, no time wasting on getting access on your client's wp-admin page, no time wasting on setting up wp locally. Doing any of that makes you more like a web developer and less than a designer each time you do it. * In rails and other web framework such as laravel, we also do something like setting up new fresh setup. But we have an option to keep a template along side with dependencies that we always opted to use which speeds up process. Just sharing :) As for the ecommerce features, webflow got a nice support for designing everything from your products to checkout pages, the payment gateway tho only supports stripe and paypal currently at this time of writing. I also tried adding a product and it had blown me away. It got categories, SKU identifier, inventory tracking, shipping, downloads for digital products and you can add variants of the same product, heck it also got discount options. So I think what spiritcore1's argument might be less reliable as it used to be 4 months ago. * Editing the website visually on wp is limited, you can edit texts when you click them tho. Everything that is a basic necessity for building any type of website is available on-board, no plugins, no third party builder. My conclusion is that Webflow is what could have been to Elementor if they decided to build a web builder outside of wordpress. Btw Webflow also support Lottie animation, for smooth animation on your component elements.
I'm a designer but I like my resume to say 'designer & developer'. But I'm not a WordPress loyalist and you hit the nail on the head in some of your points. That is why I'm switching to Gatsby! At the end of the day, it's all about the right tool for the job.
For about 300$ in a year i can do almost infinite number of pages on Wordpress + Elementor Pro with good hosting. With Webflow you must pay 420$ per year for only pro version of account plan.
WP is powerful, but it lacks many features so you need to get plugins to get more. Some plugins can contain malware and some themes too. But although, some of plugins can't really work so you need to tweak code for it run. And finding the correct hosting can be time consuming. Webflow on the other hand has this simple all in one tool you can use to start your website. They provide hosting, security, better SEO and more. You don't need to worry about breaches or any issues while running your website. Everything just works.
You could get Crocoblock plugins for custum taxonomys and stuff. It is true that you need a theme, but you could igonre it completely and work 100% in Elementor. But I get it, I'll check webflow out.
I really don’t understand many of the WP to Webflow or Duda comparisons. They all seem to come from those that don’t understand that you can build your theme and functionalities from scratch if you want to, use community plugins to expand and that don’t always cost money, and if you really need a page builder to build your site than Divi or Elementor will get you there. If you want more control with a CMS, go for Drupal or build it in Laravel with one of numerous CMS packages as a starting point.
It's interesting to see the majority of comments are of the contrary opinion of what this guy is saying. The most important things we have to consider are Price and Purpose. This guy is probably using controversy to get more views and comments but... smh... for the sake of telling the truth to the unaware, I will refute the points he talks about: - FULLY CUSTOM DESIGN (WITHOUT CODE) "you can't really design custom stuff from scratch in wordpress" - DIVI Theme (nº1 in the world) and Elementor (second most popular) allows this for Wordpress. I don't even know why Webflow still uses the "Without code" tag as if it was an exclusive thing to them. At this day and age, code is really only for those who want it, and all other platforms (Wix, Squarespace, etc. also don't use code). - NO SETUP Webflow hosting is a robery, if money is of no concern to you then you're right. I have friends paying 10x more with Webflow than I am with Wordpress. - CLEAN CODE=FASTER WEBSITE - Your website homepage in gtmetrix is a C and B, mine in wordpress is A and A. Enough said. - GREAT HOSTING - At awful prices! + I use Clouflare to redirect my website's DNS and speed it up (youtube it) which is FREE so when you say Webflow hosting prices end up being the same for wordpress with additional stuff... so untrue. - SECURITY - Plenty of FREE good security plugins for Wordpress such as All in One WP Security & Firewall . Yeah, it's one more plugin but no more security excuses. - CMS: Saying wordpress is a blogging platform is already an outdated thing. Again, DIVI and Elementor provide anything you need without needing code and they are super user friendly. - SEO: Google prefers not only Wordpress but also any other hosting platforms are pushing for this Google algorithm vs the isolated and overpriced Webflow hosting. - USER EXPERIENCE: I agree that users prefer to just edit content on Webflow and move on as opposed to do it on Wordpress, if the user has no experience! As a designer I much prefer to design on wordpress using DIVI and create a custom dashboard that is easy for my client to make changes. It's actually a pleasure for me using DIVI as opposed to Weblow. The end.
Good points. Adding to this Webflow also sucks for eCommerce if you want to have an online store with more in depth features compared to Wordpress which provides you everything you need from small to big eCommerce websites.
Just a heads up that GTMetrix Alphabet score isn't accurate. On GTMetrix ensure you change the geolocation (It defaults to Canada but not everyone is Canadian) and also check the Waterfall score. Wordpress websites built with drag and drop themes are notorious for bloated code which you can jerry rig to get a good Alphabet score but still, try and load your website on your phone on a 3G/4G and it will take way too long.
You can use the Webflow CMS to add new CMS items (like products in an ecommerce site, team members, blog posts etc) and also change the layout via the Webflow Designer. After you’ve done your changes you press publish again and all the new changes are live!
I personally used wordpress. instagepage, webflow, wix and pure html and css. Webflow is my least favourite. It is very hard to control and need to spend so much time to learn. It uses some very unique terminology like height(it actually means line-height in webflow) which is super confusing. And it also doesn't have some basic html tag in the control panel like sup. I have to insert a html code in order to use it. Elementor in wordpress is most advanced so far I believe for the drag and drop software. And if I want to cutomize some plugins like the slider, it almost not doable. As a developer/designer, the fastest way to make a website/landingpage is to use vs code to make a html website when using a template. A simple search and replace function make everything a lighting speed.
I am learning Webflow only to improve my skill. But Do you here about Elementor and Divi builder? I have been doing a lot of challenging designs with Dlementor and Divi. First, learn more about Wordpress and than compare.
For so far I never worked with Webflow, but I belief its, regarding design, its easier then working with WP. Working myself here with Divi, and I see the limitations sometimes in the different designs I see passing by on your CZcams videos.. But… … … … … Other things I do with WP are sales funnels (Cart Flows), email funnels (Fluent CRM), Video Courses (LeanrDash) and Memberships (Wishlist Member), and these things I don’t want to do with Webflow. You know, in all the years I have learned that there is one thing better for a person, but this doesn’t mean that this is better for someone else.
What people fail to realise is that WebFlow (at least as of right now) is exponentially growing. WordPress is pretty mature, while WebFlow is maturING. It's being updated with more and more unique features (CSS Grid for one) and all this means the argument of WordPress vs WebFlow is a fluid and ever-changing one. Your fiduciary duty as a designer is to look after your client, first and foremost. As long as you're looking out for their best interests, use whichever one suits you AND the scope of the project. What matters most is the execution here and not so much about which platform is BETTER. I'm personally considering Divi (WordPress theme) for lower budget sites as it's WYISWG builder allows for a lot of easy design customization, and WebFlow for 'fancier' designs, where the same end-result is possible in WordPress, it takes double the work to achieve, so what's the point of spending more time? Also if it's not been made clear already: make sure you account for future-proofing and maintenance. Both WordPress and Webflow have their advantages and disadvantages. As long as you remain professional, do your duty, and ensure you do your own research instead of going off other's opinions and experiences, you'll be just fine! May the force be with you!
There's alot of options in the WordPress ecosystem, perhaps too much. It takes time and experience to sift through all the dross, but that's just how it is. Of course the flip side to this is possibilities. For me, Webflow lacks the breadth of functionality when a site becomes more complex. For simple home, about, team and contact pages, sure, Webflow's a delight to use. But then other WordPress builders like Brizy or indeed Oxygen can create similar content but in even less time than Webflow. Still, competitions good, so choose the best tool for the job in hand I guess.
I live webflow but I’ve come into a problem with it maybe you know a workaround, I like to use an app like Ulysses to write blog posts, that automatically lets you upload to Wordpress, do you know a good way to write blog posts and easily upload to webflow?
This sounds great, how does Webflow compare with the many different applications of WordPress, like a forum, web shop, social network etc, all of things that plugins can do?
Firstly great video and you make a very great argument why WordPress sucks (and I agree on that note in so many ways), however let me tell you why most users (and clients specifically) prefers WordPress. Most clients I deal with are corporate and financial institutions who doesn't care about drag and drop visual web builders, they hire a fully flexed development team to take care of all the backend. For our clients security and reliability is #1. Yes WP requires coding but most of the clients I worked with prefers having custom coded widgets, unique brand experiences, full control for future development and integrations, and most importantly plugging these sites into their mainframe which contains private user personal data (life policies, investment accounts, retirement funds, etc. ) Having a secure self managed site where the client dictates the rules is key. Cloud services, especially in the financial industry is a VERY big risk. I can however see Webflow being a great alternative for a small-medium business that just need a quick build and be able to manage the CMS themselves. Thing is you will ALWAYS need code to add customization if you really want to stand out.
What is the need for the designer? If the client cad does all by themself. I think it would end up killing the value of the work of the freelancer. and how you deal with complex integrations? this looks more like Ad.
I believe there are more resources for WordPress, because webflow is comparatively new. But it is simpler, also regarding security which one is better? Can webflow be used for huge corporates or e-commerce?
Thanks for sharing, this has turned my perspective on webflow and wordpress, the only thing is please reference your sources for some claims or run tests
Dude, this video is misinformation. Everything you're talking about is comparing a *BAD* WordPress site to WebFlow. That's really, really dishonest. WebFlow is an AWESOME tool, but the things you're saying about WordPress are JUST WRONG! - You can build a 100% custom design, FAR MORE SO THAN WITH WEBFLOW... Yes it requires code, but you also have 100% control. Or you can just design in your graphic software of choice and pay someone like a few hundred dollars to code it if you're that averse to learning a new skill. - You *can* manage all your sites from one place, quite easily. There's a whole bunch of options for this, but the standard go-to that exists on almost everyone's cpanel is softaculous. There are also options that work even if you're hosting in multiple places (which isn't even a choice you get with Webflow). - Wordpress doesn't generate any bloated code. You're using a shitty theme. That's 10000000% your fault and not WordPress's. That's just 5 min in, and I'm actually stopping the video there. You clearly don't have any experience working properly with WordPress. Also, you're comparing apples to oranges, because as long as Webflow insists on being a closed-source, proprietary, cloud-only platform, they won't be a serious option for most businesses. Most serious businesses that do not have the capital to do a massive new web project every few years REQUIRE full control over their own properties and need to know that their site will still work if trends change and Rando Web Company # 152344888230 happens to go under. (I know you can export the raw HTML, you can also design a picture in Photoshop and export a PNG and publish that if you consider that a working website, it's useless without a backend)
This is so similar to Elementor if you ask me and damn costly too, but I do like the fully custom design stuff...enables you to be a bit more crazy haha. I do like to explore new options. First time am hearing about it though and I look forward to understanding it better. Now a question, whereas you can export designs from here to other hosts and servers and all that. Can you import a site already functional in WordPress for example and transfer them to webflow?
Or possibly because he worked with the program the last 5-10 years and built a huge freelancing business... like seven figures a year... But sure, that affiliate link brings the money :)
I think wordpress in a far far far powerful tool than webflow. i have a wordpress woo commerce site having multiple pages with cart and payment gateways etc. Secondly i also host a small forum website on word press and i can monitor users signup,posts etc from my dashboard . but if you want a single landing page or any 2-3 page website, its a hassle to do with a wordpress with all the setups and etc. so i agree with you on that point.
I really dont know what I want to do..do I work on my html css js skills or should I just work on adobe xd and figma and learn to "make" it dynamic with web flow???
@@jordaborodo6626 update: I actually started working on both, but eventually I realized that I like designing better than developing, so I went with that. My "advice" will definitely be to try both and find what you love to do.
Fully custom design (Without code) -> ok No setup -> ok Clean Code -> no, just look at google page speed and you will see that webflow is very bad Super Fast, Secure ... -> I'm not sure if it's scalable Fully customizable CMS -> there is no fully customizable CMS Native SEO -> support google seo ok but native seo it doesn't make any sense before saying nonsense look for the information yourself rather than giving marketing arguments.
Webflow using the best hosting technology out there (amazon) + the css minify is tiny (vs bootstrap + 5-6 wp plugins css or sometimes 40). In other words - its really hard to create slow sites on Webflow = less time to maintain (on wp to create really fast site it's more tricky and depended on a lot of choices you made on the way (hosting. Setting. Theme. Css frameworks. Plugins & plugins versions. Builders and so on).
Webflow lacks the ability to build websites with functionalities. What if you wanted a booking system? Or if you wanted to display an interactive map? When using Wordpress + Oxygen Builder, my possibility are limitless, and the code output is lean. I've created websites with self-hosted videos, store locator, plenty of external JS resources that loads 90+ on mobile Google Pagespeed. Webflow looks cool but is nowhere near Wordpress, especially if you know how to code.
*Webflow is not open-source whereas WordPress is and that single point changes everything. You actually OWN the entire website when you build it on WordPress.*
I think with a lot of solutions, people want something that's in between growing your own food on a farm and a convenience store. Hence the grocery store. Yes I want to bake "from scratch" but do I really want to grow and harvest my own wheat? Well maybe I do! But in the meantime .... And the convenience store was great for getting me from point A to B but I really don't want to keep paying 2 dollars for a bottle of water
whats your proof sir? Not saying your wrong, but do u know of it being breached? Have u asked the guy who made this video about this specifically ? Im super curious
I watched your video about website design before I got into this one, I am a WordPress + Divi designer and developer. While watching the video I almost signed up for Webflow, till I saw the daily robbery of hosting webflow charges. I signed up for the free version to see what's the hype with webflow, to be honest, I'll stick with my tools now as I have been using them for a while and now I am closed to master them. It's untrue what you saying about WordPress, it's clear on this video you've been paid or never used WordPress Divi or elementor. Your academy site it's average for teaching design.
Spencer H While I think his channels is partly sponsored by Webflow I don’t think they paid him to do this particular video to talk about the his view on Webflow/Wordpress pros and cons. Ran is as far as I’m aware a passionate Webflow user, used the tool extensively in his freelance design business and sells an online course regarding this topic.
I've been bound to WP so hard that I would swear there is nothing better or even close. After finally opening my ming and using the Webflow for a while I have to admit this is the best web designer tool out there. After that Elementor appers to be like brain after lobotomy.
Wp is made by hordes of people with GPL, Webflow is a made by privately owned company, people sometimes mixing up the terms; "Building" a website with "designing" a website...
do you know things like javascript? or is that more for a straight up developer to know? I really want to do what you do, but not sure what scope of things to start learning. i am mostly focused on mastering webflow at the moment, but should i also be learning things like illustrator? thanks lol
"It's literally uncrackable" - I mean that's 100% not true for every piece of software ever written.
Everything is crackeable, everything
@@GerardoSepulveda78 nope there are many softwares which are not crackable
@@kirandev believe me, EVERYTHING is crackable, everything. Not by amateurs obviously, if you have the money (a lot of) you can crack whatever you want.
Yeah I thought my simple bootstrap website could never get me hacked, I didn't have to worry about plugins and updates etc... I never gave it a second thought and one day my contact form ended up being the vulnerability, and someone used it to submit a malicious script onto my hosting account... what an embarrassing amateur mistake...
@@estycki whaaat that’s messed up, how do you prevent that from happening??
The main pro of WordPress is that it is cost-effective. You can buy a shared server with multisite (addons domains) for around $200 (even less) a year and use WordPress for free for many websites on that server. That makes using WordPress a way more valuable alternative. A "Basic" plan from Webflow costs around $170 yearly for only one website. The extra design effort with WordPress is 100% worth it for me.
You shared some excellent arguments, and I love Flux Academy!
1. Sounds like you never used custom post types on WP with Elementor.
A bit complex but it's crazy, you can do whatever you want.
2. You can change the entire design of the WP dashboard to meet your needs.
BTW, what's the status of the eCommerce on Webflow?
WooCommerce gives you endless options...
I just read that Elementor raised $15M :)
Can't wait to see the next features.
@@spiritcore1 Elementor is a beast, really amazing and I'm only just getting into using the builder myself. $15m will go a long way.
Yes Ran didn't know about code with wix & wordpress
Elementor causes bloat because it’s a third party builder added on top of WordPress. Same with all the other page builders except for Oxygen (which has its own issues). If you want WordPress to be fast without expensive hosting, use a fast theme and Gutenberg blocks that have clean code (like Kadence Blocks). But Gutenberg is still clunky as hell, especially when compared to Webflow and Sitejet.
Or go with Organic Themes, which are customizer-based themes that use widgets as native page builders.
That should be the future of WordPress, but the idiots shaping the future want to do away with the customizer and have all site editing be done in that clunky as hell and narrow Gutenberg view, which is only good for blog posts but not page and template design.
@@spiritcore1 Good luck with downloading all them plugins tho lol
One thing you can do is use Webflow and Wordpress together. Build your site/theme with all the power of the design tools in webflow and then using the udesly adaptor change it to a wordpress theme and use the power of wordpress cms + woocommerce etc. This can help keep costs down if thats an issue for some.
I am a DESIGNER and have built sites for 20 years - html/css/js/php. I have used both wordpress with/without elementor/divi etc and webflow. Webflow for me is just a much quicker workflow and actually can be used in many ways outside of the webflow hosted environment. The webflow CMS is however pretty cool and Iove not having to add and manage plugins to do stuff that should come out of the box.
First time hearing about Udesly, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing your experience! I will start studying communikationdesign in Germany but wanna start making and selling websites along the way. Currently I am finding out on which website builder I should start learning. I know I will need both (and in the future I will start lesting HTML or CSS) but for the design aspect I think creating website on Adobe xD, implement it on Webflow and upload it on Wordpress.
If you got any more tipps feel free to share! And thanks again🌞
but is udesly good? like does the forms and animations and responsiveness and CMS still works after converting it to wordpress? or it's just a static website and just conserve the design? thank you so mush for your time and really need an answer
Webflow is great.... Having it offline with a standalone installer will make it even more great..
Maybe they can use serviceworkers to make it a PWA so it can work offline.
One word - Oxygen builder...well that's two but...it's basically web builder (when Elementor is a page builder) for wordpress, producing clean code without any bloat. It has almost all features as webflow, with woocommerce support, and the pricing is one time payment for life ($99).
And it allows you to design stuff from pixel 1, you aren't using any theme.
From my research Divi Page Builder comes out on top, but whatever works for people!
I just recently use both of them, because for larger sites and premium plugins WordPress is the best option, what I do is make the whole design in Webflow with all the animations, interfaces, the cool stuff, etc. and then I migrate the website to WordPress.
Do use udesly?
I'm a WordPress developer in my current position. All of the points you make are valid and very persuasive. If designers or developers are building landing pages or small(ish) marketing sites, Webflow wins hands down.
I do know there are large scale sites that are probably easier to run on a customized WordPress build. My guess is that's the type of developer you'll get push back from the most.
As far as price is concerned, time saved in updates, the potential for disaster, and having to bring in a developer to help should be tacked onto the price tag of WordPress hosting. Only then can you see if Webflow comes out more expensive or not.
For most non-custom marketing sites Webflow will empower the owner, be safer, and is infinitely easier to maintain.
Ran, thanks for the breakdown. Just wanted to sort out where Webflow is good and when it might be better to get a bigger, more complex tool.
hi, whats your wordpress development workflow like ?, build a static html,css, and js page and convert it to WordPress?. thanks
I care about drag and drop. I dont know much about websites. i want something simple. I have so many problems with my wordpress site crashing maybe because im not a designer. Do you recommend Duda or webflow? Wich one will load faster?
Webflow is actually cheaper than WordPress.
@@gecalifetv No, I try to work locally, if possible then migrate over to the server using the migrate dB plug in. I e found that to be the best solution.
@@renefernandez2066 I dont know anything about Duda. Webflow will load fast because it is a static site. WordPress has to build the site each time the page loads. Webflow will serve the site all at once as an already built page.
Love your videos bro but maybe you should put a *sponsored by webflow* text on your video 😂😂
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You clearly didn’t read the title.
I'm having a really hard time justifying webflow hosting when it literally costs 5x more than hosting sites that support wordpress. When dealing with small local businesses they do not want or need to pay for premium plugins so it really is much much cheaper for them.
Must be working for some sucky clients then
@@rsstudio572 I literally said "small local businesses". Anyways it's not that they can't afford webflow hosting, they just don't think it is worth spending 5x more money a month on.
Josiah Baumgartner Same here. I charge to host websites on my own because I like the extra monthly revenue and Webflow just doesn't make sense for me, no matter how much I like it. Until you can export and host on your own with the Webflow CMS, I think I'll be sticking with Elementor.
Yup. Hosting with webflow is extremely expensive. Reduced my hosting margins significantly. I can't justify using WF for hosting.
I pay $13 dlls for domain and host for 1 year here in Mexico. For me living here Webflow is so expensive, i really like webflow, but, how do i justify the host price in webflow? i can't.
So, got my elementor for $45 the year for all my sites. Active the plugin on the new project, finish the site, desactive the plugin and jumping to the new project.
Sometimes there are big problems with wordpress.... i updated elementor pro plugin and my site went down. Had to reinstall an older backup. And if a client does an update on his own without a backup and then the site crashes thats a big pitty. Cant happen with webflow. Thats the only thing why i consider to move to webflow. The crashes and site vulnerability of wordpress is so annoying....
First time on your channel. I'm currently learning XD so I'm looking into webflow. Just want to say I love that blue light on your face, lol
I couldn't agree with this video more. I have been a long time user of Wordpress with Elementor. Love Elementor, hate Wordpress. There's just so many plugins and although you can do more with it, the hassle of keeping up with all of those plugins, with many of them being paid or some not being updated, it's really annoying. In this day and age, we are so overwhelmed with information that this just adds to it. Since switching to webflow I feel like I still have everything I need, or most, so it's perfect and I feel like it's lessened my brain mess lol. Also, when people say they don't want to pay for webflow I have to say, the money you spend on plugins and the time that you spend with Wordpress makes up for the cost of webflow, time is money.
You are very convincing, your argumentation is sound and recognizable. For now I’m sticking with WordPres because I’ve built a whole system of Premium themes, plugins and livelong licenses. But I can see the enormous advantage of Webflow! Especially when one is a designer in the first place (like me). Webflow is for my near future!
All of these webflow sponsored CZcamsrs sound like they haven’t used WordPress in forever or just haven't really used it. I find it really fishy that all of these CZcamsrs seem to have the same over sponsored webflow content that also has the goal to make you think Wordpress is just the old platform that no "smart" person would use anymore. They all say the same things. We know Webflow is easier to use, that's obvious, but that's literally all that it offers. The beauty of open-source platforms like WordPress is that millions of developers are improving it every day, these website builders like Webflow can't compete in any way other than the design and ease of use of the software itself. Elementor changed the game with Wordpress page builders. The only thing webflow is better with is the actual builder itself and/or it’s UI/UX, I have used it extensively and I would recommend it over something like Wix and Weebly. Unless I was basically building fancy portfolio websites which is basically what you seem to do, I would use WordPress in a heartbeat. The functionality isn’t even in the same universe. You could theoretically use the webflow builder and just transfer it to WordPress. I would rather just use Elementor personally.
Webflow are spending $$$ trying to flood the market with this stuff.
wordpress guy over here , i heard a lot about webflow, time to give it a try
I feel that all your arguments are a little one-sided and miss the point a bit.
For one, both Wordpress and Webflow are - on their own - not ideal. If you want to have an actual discussion on what would be the best alternative, it would actually be to learn how to code and not rely on any design builders. HTML and CSS are relatively simple, and basic PHP and Javascript will get you a long way. If you know how to code in Wordpress, you’ll be quite fast with your setup as well, I build a lot of my websites in 2 or 3 days max. You make it seem like your 2 options are the only options, whereas being a web designer, in a lot of cases, even if you’re not coding, requires some knowledge of coding anyway.
If you overdo it with plugins in Wordpress, it might become slower, but in most cases that’s pretty rare. And again, if you know some code, you don’t need too many plugins, especially none that would substantially slow you down. But with Webflow you have no control over what code exactly it outputs and to claim that it’s faster also depends on a case by case basis. For instance, your own homepage built on Webflow has a rating of around 80 on Google Pagespeed Insights, whereas most of the sites I’ve done in Wordpress - despite not being a great developer myself - are above 90.
You’re also coming across as relatively dismissive of any counterarguments and like you’re talking down to your audience, even though I find myself agreeing with the arguments of your strawman arguments. Wordpress hosting (or, I guess, regular hosting where you install wordpress) runs me around $40 a year, and that includes enough traffic for a normal company, and also includes things like SSL.
Wordpress is, originally, maybe a blogging platform, but again, you’re being very dismissive of its options and you make if seem like it’s only for blog posts, even though you can easily set up menus, different pages, etc. Additionally, you talk about SEO and that you’ve seen no proof about SEO being superior in Wordpress. I don’t know whether it is or not, but you don’t seem like you’ve really done any research into it either. Wordpress comes with pretty solid SEO out of the box and can easily be extended with simple plugins that don’t make your site bloated. You talk about link structure and meta tags in Webflow, but those are things you can also do in Wordpress. And of course you’ve seen articles about Webflow being better that Wordpress, because you use Webflow and you’re more likely to come across articles that speak in favor of Webflow.
Altogether I’d say that yes, if you want to entirely forgo coding and have no interest in it whatsoever, maybe Webflow has a bit of an edge over Wordpress. But then again, you’re kind of just talking around the problem and ignore coding. I found this video highly frustrating because you even admit that you’re not a developer and it’s relatively obvious you lack perspective and talk in absolutes, whereas in reality this subject could need a little more nuance.
WordPress lets you tap into literally millions of dollars worth of code for free. Custom coding is great for enterprise and highly custom projects, but an insanely ill-advised choice for most businesses and 99% of websites.
@@WyzrdCat that's completely false. 'custom coding' should be the default. i think wordpress people just think code is so magical. most drag n drop stuff would just be a line or two of code. it's markup and not programming. it's not that difficult or crazy. The benefit of doing it this way is you can make it much more responsive. I'm not even sure WP devs even consider responsiveness. I tried elementor but it drove me nuts trying to make an image responsive. on tablet or phone for example, it would ruin the layout. this would take 1 line of code in css to fix. stuff like flexbox / grid and modern css makes it super easy to build layouts. I actually think elementor makes it harder and takes longer sometimes to get what you want, because it bugs out all the time and you have to fiddle around with the buttons to get it to work. and then you end up using code to try to fix it. why not just use code for the whole thing at that point? it kind of makes no sense
@@bryanlee5522 You have a point. Though the answer is accessibility
I have to recognize that Webflow has achieved some great features for front-end design, but I think that is not in the same level as wordpress. You just need to learn a little bit of Css-JavaScript and maybe a framework like bootstrap to make things way more professional than Webflow can achieve. Also, with wordpress you have the flexibility to integrate different technologies and microservices which are not allowed in Webflow because basically you have to adapt to the features that the engineering team brings to production. So basically, I think that webflow has really good tools and is great for people who want a quick drag and drop solution to design websites, but when it comes to creating a big project with a high level customization in the front end (Managing states, integrating Css/JavaScript frameworks, integrating microservices, etc) I would choose without doubt Wordpress, and regarding SEO, I think that there's no comparison because actually with wordpress you can modify the base code to make it more SEO-Friendly. With Webflow, again, you are limited by the tools that the engineering team decides to put in production, so just for that, i think that Wordpress is way superior than Webflow and this video just shows that you have 0 experience working with Wordpress at a professional level.
When it comes to creating a big project with a high level customization in the front end use Next.js. WordPress is shit 💩
I've being using Webflow for 3 years and simply love it. In addition, I think it's also a coding school... I'm not a developer but learned a lot just designing with Webflow.
Webflow is great for learning front-end design concepts!
I liked your review, however, you have some diehard WP peeps (maybe WP employees) commenting. I agree with some points on both sides, but it appears many are comfortable and are set in their ways...sorted like an old dog.
I've been using WP for 10+ years. Without Elementor, which was a Godsend, WP probably would have been dead years ago. I'm going to give it a whirl, but I'm going to keep WP in my back pocket. I believe once WebFlow listens to enough designers and developers it would be a matter of time before they become an undisputed website builder contender to be reckoned with. Good job ruffling some WP feathers! That's what it's about.
Nice take on it Mark!
I think Wordpress with elementor is still a great tool, with the similar features of webflow(drag and drop design, custom code, animation, responsive design) while having dynamic features of Wordpress. Just tried recently for my portfolio website.
What great tool??
It is best tool
@@H10933X It is not the best if it has a lot of bloat
@@hossamsalem8878 no Bro it doesn't
I agree with you. I bought Elementor Pro just after using free elementor for than 6 months and building 7 clients websites.
Bang-on Vishal. I personally believe the debate is past the WYSIWYG.
jesus christ! that's what I need!! Hate hosting setuppppp! I;ve almost quit web design just for this! thank you flux!
Man, you earn yourself new subscriber, and you literally answered my questions, I am a web designer / developer using wordpress and I do want to change because of the limitations that I face using wordpress, as a freelancer who has many clients, what webflow plan do you suggest ? I also hav another question, does webflow has control in domain to create subdomains ? does they have email accounts under your domain ? thank you
We have a video about plans. I actually never bought a domain with webflow, I get them on godaddy, create subdomains there and just connect them to webflow
Wait is this clickbait? I'm sure Webflow is great, but from this video I would say you are not that familiar with what Wordpress has to offer
Yes, haha, he pretends he never heard about oxygen and microthemer to begin with ...
I totally agree w/concerns about Wordpress security...and on several occasions my ISP shut down WordPress sites, then pitching some expensive service to "clean things up." There's a black box element to that style of work and plugins can't easily conflict. On top of that I love the ease w/which you can create scrollable animations and awesome interactions in minutes.
Webflow is really awesome when it comes to designing a website but if you need a custom and more complex backend you can still exporte the code.
I just found that in most cases, Webflow do the job and do it pretty well !
Technical Infrastructure setup is important and you need to know how it works. How can you design for something if you have no idea how it works?
As a UX and UI designer myself I thinks it's important that a designer should at least code and understand basic infrastructure setup
I agree with you Rohan. You should checkout Webflow University which runs through a lot of content. Then with regards to the ethics and what's 'morally-right', it's up to the individual I guess. If only we lived in a prefect world!
WEBFLOW IS NOT BETTER THAN WORDPRESS
Oh man, this your video is just so childish and unprofessional.. is just like saying why my mother is better than yours. You sound like fan guys arguing over mac or win...
Never heard people at Wordpress saying "why WordPress is better than webflow". We use Webflow for some projects, among other site advanced editors like Pinegrow and we also use wordpress for corporate projects. All these apps has their domains. Example, corporate clients will laugh at webflow solutions when it comes down to say cms or e-commerce or even hosting solutions. Corporates will never rely on a web app with its own proprietary cms to host anything. The minute they go down, you go down with them. Lately, wf have been plague with downtimes and bugs, we have lost chunks of works, hours of web design and when this happens we at our studio look at each other and don't even blame no one...we know is like this when you use web apps and rely on who knows who, we accept it. It has its downsides. A lot.
Try building with wf and advanced eCommerce with multiple shipping addresses, client registrations upon geolocation, advanced custom fields and integrate your company ERP with the database etc etc... and don't come to me with member stack and foxy cart things.. WP is maybe the most powerful cms in the world. IS OPEN SOURCE platform, you what this means? You literally download their CMS and host where ever you want. The slowness you talk about is because people use themes that are code bloated in order to meet everyone's needs.
Try building your own themes in wp. We build our own custom wp themes and let me tell you they are lighting fast and SEO google LOVE wp. Budget wise, with the same money you pay a wf professional designer (not a kid making a life out of it) you get a wp pro developer. WP keeps evolving, they now use Guttenberg blocks but maybe you knot know what is this. We think WF can be compared to say other friendly web apps but not to wordpress.
You compare WP to say Magento 2 or expression engine cms not to WF.
It is evident you have built your entire career around a single platform and in order to keep going client retention is necessary by all means, by all means. but please man show some restraint... you are misguiding people here. WEBFLOW IS NOT BETTER THAN WORDPRESS. Just different animals.
Having said this, we use WF for some projects when we found it adequate. It's a good service overall.
Note for beginners, Yes, you can build a career around WP as it is an industry-standard, companies actually hire wp experts.
cheers.
EXACTLY, these Webflow sponsored content creators are so annoying. I work with real-estate clients and unless I'm just building a portfolio site for an agent I wouldn't even consider using webflow, I need IDX integration which will never be added to webflow. The only thing that annoys me more than Webflow CZcamsrs are people that code their websites manually and look down on cms platforms like Wordpress. A lot of "code elitists" act like Wordpress and Wix are basically the same thing.
@@techjudge8049 yeah, when a company stops growing it might become aggressive through its associates and sponsored kids but I don't see why misinforming people. Most of what this guy here says is not true or purposedly inaccurate. Throwing junk at WordPress seems pretty easy as they don't do "marketing". They don't need to. Why don't they go after Squarespace or Wix. A campaign from those two against webflow would be devastating for wf numbers...
Don't get me wrong..The studio i work for sometimes use WF for some simple projects. but...
Bro, i just visited your site on an ipad, tried to use your nav, it didn‘t work, goodbye.
@@sebobastiseppobas oh that's is one of our test domains. Our angency. adoratorio.studio/
many times awarded.
Nailed it!
I was super stoked about Webflow then started with a paid monthly sub, until I found out it costs me more time to set up a layout than in my Wordpress workflow, and when I ditched Webflow was when I could not use the fonts from the best one in the world: Hoefler&Co, typography.com . They use CSS files that need to be uploaded, did not have this option when building on the webflow platform, and they never followed up on a support forum question about this. I know you are a Webflow ambassador, but to me, I have BY FAR the most options with Wordpress, Elementor Pro and when needed custom fields. There's nothing that Webflow can do that a well-equipped Wordpress setup can't do.
Webflow is very nice, but to compare it to WP is like day and night. You can do so much with WP, it is impossible to achieve it with Webflow.
I haven't tried Webflow yet but you are right about everything you say about Wordpress. Almost always completely bloated code (not good performance/not SEO friendly), individual customization with limits (unless you write a bunch of CSS/JS) and not customer friendly at all for complex designs.
Every time I have to set up Server Cashing, a CDN Service, image and script compression and so on. And still a Wordpress website never reaches the performance of a cleanly coded website. Not to mention JavaScript frameworks like VueJS (+ Nuxt) or React (+ Next).
Wow dude. I usually enjoy your videos but this video is so misguided. Nearly every point you made is inaccurate. I'm not going to list them as there are so many arguments against this video. I think you are confusing WordPress from 2010 with the WordPress of today.
Is this video just click bait or are you being paid to bad mouth Wordpress?
Do you have any channels you'd recommend for designers who might want to dive into wordpess?
@@crarls27 WP Crafter is pretty good for beginners. Elementor has pretty good videos on their youtube channel themselves too.
@@techjudge8049 thanks :)
He is sponsored by Webflow soo...
@@nelzzz89 still sucks that he bad mouths WordPress when so many of his fellow developers and designers use it for their lively-hood.
Totally agree. I'm migrating all my marketing and publishers websites from WordPress to Webflow. It's way way from the future, WordPress is really a total pain. If for developers, it's a real pain. Webflow on the other side, a CMS from the future. I believe it's the evolution of building websites.
You can easily make custom templates using Visual Bakery, Elementor, or Cornerstone (the three most popular visual builders). Skies the limit with customization with your own server and Wordpress. Not the same can be said for Webflow.
Ran, you are genious! Controversy is the best way to get a lot of comments traffic :D
Btw I love your thoughts and using them in my career ♡
Ania Leitner Genius.
Ran, even if I agree with all of your arguments (btw I don't), almost all projects I have worked with require some customization when you need either knowledge how to do it or a help from a fellow developer. What would you do in that case? Need to have a someone who could help you.
Hype around these website builders is that you don't need anyone is so wrong except if you create 5 pages website (home, about, product/service, gallery, contact) .
I think these days websites are more than that.
I agree that there are advantages and disadvantages to using WordPress. I have not tried webflow yet but it has caught my eye. Most managed WordPress hosts offer all of that stuff (CDN, caching, automated backups, etc...) by default. Trying to transition from one CMS to another is not an easy task especially if you have been using it for many years. Speed is definitely a factor for any build and it does take some work to optimize for and I focus on that right from the beginning but I get what you're saying. With webflow you don't have to think about it .
For sure! We have many students in our courses who are transitioning or adding Webflow on top of WordPress.
Working on Wordpress for many years 5+. It’s such a hassle dealing with how slow it is. Having to install plugins to make it faster was another issue. Wasting time and money for that. Good point outs Ran.
Just use wp api. Could probably use webflow for the frontend.
Great discussion about "Webflow vs Wordpress" and it can be endless =)
Saying shortly about:
1. Webflow is mostly for web designers, who does not really want (or care) about coding (programming languages), to have the job done without type any line of code.
2. Wordpress is for the web developers, who know how to code (in HTML, PHP, CSS + MySQL databases), in this case they have more flexibility as they can easily edit web pages behind the Wordpress Control Panel, diving inside any page source code.
For regards to site templates - good web developers can create their own themes in Wordpress too.
I currently use WordPress for my websites but I am thinking about making the switch to webflow! Thanks for the video!
Adam Gibbons Definitely give it a go and check out some of the tutorials in the Webflow University!
Be quick about it😀
Even though page builders like elem, can create larger css and js, there is a lot that can be done to optimize that.
Thanks for the vid! Well made! Sounds like a cool tool, however I feels kind of dangerous to sell generate code (websites) built using that tool if I am not a developer. I mean in the end someone has to support the end customer. Would be nice to hear a developers perspective on this.
The Cost .. webflow more expensive than using WordPress
How? WordPress gets expensive af
@@ham2956 how? Themes, hosts, puglins?
@@ham2956 Not at all, it is completely free and if you build your own custom templates, widgets, tools then you manage it yourself. Where is gets expensive is hiring a skilled developer to manage and build these custom things. It's not all rocked science, anyone can do it however large scale you don't want a moron tackling large corporation data integration or eCommerce for that matter. Now THAT can get extremely expensive to ;-)
Decent hosting is the same. Themes, almost defeats the point. Plugins, they’re not, they’re not cheap. WordPress is expensive to maintain properly
@@ham2956 Depends on the size of the site and business. I'm about to close a deal for a local tutor. He wants 4 pages on his site. The only functionality he wants is a contact form, the rest will be static pages. Tell me how much money I need to spend on premium plugins. I don't need to spend anything, I can get by on all free plugins and custom code. Hosting for a wordpress site is easy to find at under $3/mo. Webflow with CMS is $16/mo. I love working on webflow but I can't convince every client to spend that much more on hosting.
You can fully customize and build from scratch in Wordpress. That is what oxygen builder does.
And I am very happy with Elementor Pro.
Code exportation, a killer feature of webflow, solid and elegant.
I haven't tried wordpress but from what I've heard from friends who tried it, the setup is a pain in the ass. The learning curve is way better for Webflow. I learnt the whole thing in about month, myself, and am currently in the process of finishing it up.
Good points! I have been working on Wordpress for about 6 years and started to move to Webflow last year. To me, it really depends on what the client prefers, many of my clients are used to Wordpress. So I end up building their websites on Wordpress, and the editing has not been a problem, they can edit their content in the front-end just like on Webflow.
But since I design everything from scratch, I prefer to use Webflow. It really gives me the freedom to create my own designs, without worrying about all the tech stuff. What I have been noticing lately, maybe since I began to use Webflow, is that I spend more time maintaining a Wordpress website than growing the website -_-.
Whereas the stuff I have build on Webflow are consistently growing. For those who are DEVELOPERS and need more control of the servers and all that Wordpress will win. But if you are not into that, and your client doesn't really need to be in control of that either, Webflow for the win.
Leo Pirela You’re saying it depends on what the client prefers. I think often clients don’t even know what they need or want. Some only seem to say „I need a WP site“ cos that’s what they’re familiar with. By showing them some of the advantages WF has they might see that WP might not be the best solution for their problem. Of course it always depends on the project and what works best in a particular situation.
@@lauraniebel3510 Hey, yeah of course. I would show them the benefits of either one. I am just not 100% for one or the other. And the clients I have worked with, especially the agencies, they knew what their team is familiar with, so they would prefer WP. Same thing with the resort and hospitality clients. Some have accepted to move to Webflow without an issue.
@@DesignerWisdom Yes, I agree many agencies are still much more familiar with WP than WF. Hope this is changing a bit in the near future. I think some of the smaller agencies are waking up a bit now to WF and use it to their advantage which I think is great!
Laura Niebel i am using WF since 2016 and WP since 2010... i Love Webflow! BUT it’s more a toy and makes fun. WP is for serious Projects.
@@boxfox007 How do you define a serious project? I've recently completed a WF website for an engineering firm, as well as one for a boutique realtor. Wouldn't say they're not serious projects. I think it all depends on what exactly the project entails and which tool can best achieve what you need to do.
Really interesting discussion, it seems like for certain purposes webflow is excellent while for others the traditional WP + hosting setup would be more robust. In the beginning I wasn't convinced but will definitely give webflow a try and see what it's capable of.
Well, get ready to be Viral Ran...
haha! let's see!
I'm a Wordpress user right now and I feel the limitations in terms of Design.
I think that web designers that know a bit of CSS and HTML webflow is a powerful tool for more creative and out of the box websites, where you as a designer can focus only on the design and UX instead of worrying about how you gonna make something work the way you visioned in Wordpress, and most of the times you can't do what you want, you kind get stuck with a more standard website.
The only thing that is keeping me for the transition to webflow is the hosting not offering email accounts for the clients. I don't know how other people usually do, but my clients don't want to pay to host a website and pay to have email accounts when most of the hosting companies offer that service in all the packages.
If possible It would be nice if you can make a video explaining (if you know) why webflow don't offer email accounts in their hosting or start a petition to that feature.
I'm a rails developer and have tried elementor on wordpress before, while it was really good on what it offers. The added plugins and stuff we install on the site slows down the performance of the wordpress build. My client tried to add a plugin I don't know why he needed too, but I believe the site would be working fine without it, guess what...the site immediately turned slow and was down hours later. Even logging in to the wp-admin page was supeeeer slow as heck. Glad I came from a programming intensive environment and killed the bugger plugin after a few minutes of debugging. I heard webflow back few months back but I only tried it today to see if I could see use of it's designing capabilities. And yes, SEO editing is supported out of the box on webflow.
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You kept on saying "as a designer". As a designer you should be focusing on the job which is designing, no time wasting on getting access on your client's wp-admin page, no time wasting on setting up wp locally. Doing any of that makes you more like a web developer and less than a designer each time you do it.
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In rails and other web framework such as laravel, we also do something like setting up new fresh setup. But we have an option to keep a template along side with dependencies that we always opted to use which speeds up process. Just sharing :)
As for the ecommerce features, webflow got a nice support for designing everything from your products to checkout pages, the payment gateway tho only supports stripe and paypal currently at this time of writing. I also tried adding a product and it had blown me away. It got categories, SKU identifier, inventory tracking, shipping, downloads for digital products and you can add variants of the same product, heck it also got discount options. So I think what spiritcore1's argument might be less reliable as it used to be 4 months ago.
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Editing the website visually on wp is limited, you can edit texts when you click them tho. Everything that is a basic necessity for building any type of website is available on-board, no plugins, no third party builder. My conclusion is that Webflow is what could have been to Elementor if they decided to build a web builder outside of wordpress. Btw Webflow also support Lottie animation, for smooth animation on your component elements.
sorry if the paragraphs a mess, youtube won't allow me to add new lines to separate the godam wall of text.
I'm a designer but I like my resume to say 'designer & developer'. But I'm not a WordPress loyalist and you hit the nail on the head in some of your points. That is why I'm switching to Gatsby! At the end of the day, it's all about the right tool for the job.
For about 300$ in a year i can do almost infinite number of pages on Wordpress + Elementor Pro with good hosting. With Webflow you must pay 420$ per year for only pro version of account plan.
If you know how to code, WordPress ist the best thing ever. Everything is possible, there are no limits.
webflow too
yep, but the context here is for designers and he couldn't stress it enough for saying it multiple times "as a designer".
WP is powerful, but it lacks many features so you need to get plugins to get more. Some plugins can contain malware and some themes too. But although, some of plugins can't really work so you need to tweak code for it run. And finding the correct hosting can be time consuming.
Webflow on the other hand has this simple all in one tool you can use to start your website. They provide hosting, security, better SEO and more. You don't need to worry about breaches or any issues while running your website. Everything just works.
First comment. Lol
Thanks for this great content for designers and developers. It's helping me find my place in the market.
You could get Crocoblock plugins for custum taxonomys and stuff. It is true that you need a theme, but you could igonre it completely and work 100% in Elementor.
But I get it, I'll check webflow out.
I really don’t understand many of the WP to Webflow or Duda comparisons. They all seem to come from those that don’t understand that you can build your theme and functionalities from scratch if you want to, use community plugins to expand and that don’t always cost money, and if you really need a page builder to build your site than Divi or Elementor will get you there. If you want more control with a CMS, go for Drupal or build it in Laravel with one of numerous CMS packages as a starting point.
*"You can't really design custom stuff from scratch"*
Really bro ? Do you know WordPress or you just know CSS?
It's interesting to see the majority of comments are of the contrary opinion of what this guy is saying. The most important things we have to consider are Price and Purpose. This guy is probably using controversy to get more views and comments but... smh... for the sake of telling the truth to the unaware, I will refute the points he talks about:
- FULLY CUSTOM DESIGN (WITHOUT CODE)
"you can't really design custom stuff from scratch in wordpress" -
DIVI Theme (nº1 in the world) and Elementor (second most popular) allows this for Wordpress. I don't even know why Webflow still uses the "Without code" tag as if it was an exclusive thing to them. At this day and age, code is really only for those who want it, and all other platforms (Wix, Squarespace, etc. also don't use code).
- NO SETUP
Webflow hosting is a robery, if money is of no concern to you then you're right. I have friends paying 10x more with Webflow than I am with Wordpress.
- CLEAN CODE=FASTER WEBSITE - Your website homepage in gtmetrix is a C and B, mine in wordpress is A and A. Enough said.
- GREAT HOSTING - At awful prices! + I use Clouflare to redirect my website's DNS and speed it up (youtube it) which is FREE so when you say Webflow hosting prices end up being the same for wordpress with additional stuff... so untrue.
- SECURITY - Plenty of FREE good security plugins for Wordpress such as All in One WP Security & Firewall
. Yeah, it's one more plugin but no more security excuses.
- CMS: Saying wordpress is a blogging platform is already an outdated thing. Again, DIVI and Elementor provide anything you need without needing code
and they are super user friendly.
- SEO: Google prefers not only Wordpress but also any other hosting platforms are pushing for this Google algorithm vs the isolated and overpriced Webflow hosting.
- USER EXPERIENCE: I agree that users prefer to just edit content on Webflow and move on as opposed to do it on Wordpress, if the user has no experience! As a designer I much prefer to design on wordpress using DIVI and create a custom dashboard that is easy for my client to make changes. It's actually a pleasure for me using DIVI as opposed to Weblow.
The end.
Thank you, I learn so much out of your comment
Good points. Adding to this Webflow also sucks for eCommerce if you want to have an online store with more in depth features compared to Wordpress which provides you everything you need from small to big eCommerce websites.
Thanks, this was a very helpful reply!
Just a heads up that GTMetrix Alphabet score isn't accurate. On GTMetrix ensure you change the geolocation (It defaults to Canada but not everyone is Canadian) and also check the Waterfall score. Wordpress websites built with drag and drop themes are notorious for bloated code which you can jerry rig to get a good Alphabet score but still, try and load your website on your phone on a 3G/4G and it will take way too long.
How would you create a website on Webflow and then link it to an ecommerce store? What programs do we use?
Does web flow have control panel to add new content after publishing it or just do static web app
You can use the Webflow CMS to add new CMS items (like products in an ecommerce site, team members, blog posts etc) and also change the layout via the Webflow Designer. After you’ve done your changes you press publish again and all the new changes are live!
I personally used wordpress. instagepage, webflow, wix and pure html and css. Webflow is my least favourite. It is very hard to control and need to spend so much time to learn. It uses some very unique terminology like height(it actually means line-height in webflow) which is super confusing. And it also doesn't have some basic html tag in the control panel like sup. I have to insert a html code in order to use it. Elementor in wordpress is most advanced so far I believe for the drag and drop software. And if I want to cutomize some plugins like the slider, it almost not doable. As a developer/designer, the fastest way to make a website/landingpage is to use vs code to make a html website when using a template. A simple search and replace function make everything a lighting speed.
nothing beats good old html and css
Can you build on Webflow and host with someone else?
I am learning Webflow only to improve my skill. But Do you here about Elementor and Divi builder? I have been doing a lot of challenging designs with Dlementor and Divi. First, learn more about Wordpress and than compare.
For so far I never worked with Webflow, but I belief its, regarding design, its easier then working with WP. Working myself here with Divi, and I see the limitations sometimes in the different designs I see passing by on your CZcams videos..
But… … … … … Other things I do with WP are sales funnels (Cart Flows), email funnels (Fluent CRM), Video Courses (LeanrDash) and Memberships (Wishlist Member), and these things I don’t want to do with Webflow.
You know, in all the years I have learned that there is one thing better for a person, but this doesn’t mean that this is better for someone else.
What people fail to realise is that WebFlow (at least as of right now) is exponentially growing. WordPress is pretty mature, while WebFlow is maturING. It's being updated with more and more unique features (CSS Grid for one) and all this means the argument of WordPress vs WebFlow is a fluid and ever-changing one. Your fiduciary duty as a designer is to look after your client, first and foremost. As long as you're looking out for their best interests, use whichever one suits you AND the scope of the project. What matters most is the execution here and not so much about which platform is BETTER.
I'm personally considering Divi (WordPress theme) for lower budget sites as it's WYISWG builder allows for a lot of easy design customization, and WebFlow for 'fancier' designs, where the same end-result is possible in WordPress, it takes double the work to achieve, so what's the point of spending more time?
Also if it's not been made clear already: make sure you account for future-proofing and maintenance. Both WordPress and Webflow have their advantages and disadvantages. As long as you remain professional, do your duty, and ensure you do your own research instead of going off other's opinions and experiences, you'll be just fine!
May the force be with you!
Wordpress + Elementor is powerful tool vs argument of webflows custom design & in a fact costs much less
There's alot of options in the WordPress ecosystem, perhaps too much. It takes time and experience to sift through all the dross, but that's just how it is. Of course the flip side to this is possibilities. For me, Webflow lacks the breadth of functionality when a site becomes more complex. For simple home, about, team and contact pages, sure, Webflow's a delight to use. But then other WordPress builders like Brizy or indeed Oxygen can create similar content but in even less time than Webflow. Still, competitions good, so choose the best tool for the job in hand I guess.
I live webflow but I’ve come into a problem with it maybe you know a workaround, I like to use an app like Ulysses to write blog posts, that automatically lets you upload to Wordpress, do you know a good way to write blog posts and easily upload to webflow?
This sounds great, how does Webflow compare with the many different applications of WordPress, like a forum, web shop, social network etc, all of things that plugins can do?
Google ;) Checkout Webflow's site. It covers A LOT.
Wordpress is not at all secure!! A well known fact - no one seriously looking for anything secure should touch Wordpress- you are 💯% my friend!!!!
Firstly great video and you make a very great argument why WordPress sucks (and I agree on that note in so many ways), however let me tell you why most users (and clients specifically) prefers WordPress. Most clients I deal with are corporate and financial institutions who doesn't care about drag and drop visual web builders, they hire a fully flexed development team to take care of all the backend. For our clients security and reliability is #1. Yes WP requires coding but most of the clients I worked with prefers having custom coded widgets, unique brand experiences, full control for future development and integrations, and most importantly plugging these sites into their mainframe which contains private user personal data (life policies, investment accounts, retirement funds, etc. ) Having a secure self managed site where the client dictates the rules is key. Cloud services, especially in the financial industry is a VERY big risk. I can however see Webflow being a great alternative for a small-medium business that just need a quick build and be able to manage the CMS themselves. Thing is you will ALWAYS need code to add customization if you really want to stand out.
Wordpress = developers, webflow = designers
You= don’t know what you are Talking. Trust me.
Nice video.... Thanks for helping us with your precious video. God bless you...
What is the need for the designer?
If the client cad does all by themself.
I think it would end up killing the value of the work of the freelancer.
and how you deal with complex integrations?
this looks more like Ad.
I believe there are more resources for WordPress, because webflow is comparatively new. But it is simpler, also regarding security which one is better?
Can webflow be used for huge corporates or e-commerce?
As a designer and coding expert, I have to say that Custom Code character limitation in Webflow is an argument for Wordpress.
Thanks for sharing, this has turned my perspective on webflow and wordpress, the only thing is please reference your sources for some claims or run tests
Dude, this video is misinformation. Everything you're talking about is comparing a *BAD* WordPress site to WebFlow. That's really, really dishonest. WebFlow is an AWESOME tool, but the things you're saying about WordPress are JUST WRONG!
- You can build a 100% custom design, FAR MORE SO THAN WITH WEBFLOW... Yes it requires code, but you also have 100% control. Or you can just design in your graphic software of choice and pay someone like a few hundred dollars to code it if you're that averse to learning a new skill.
- You *can* manage all your sites from one place, quite easily. There's a whole bunch of options for this, but the standard go-to that exists on almost everyone's cpanel is softaculous. There are also options that work even if you're hosting in multiple places (which isn't even a choice you get with Webflow).
- Wordpress doesn't generate any bloated code. You're using a shitty theme. That's 10000000% your fault and not WordPress's.
That's just 5 min in, and I'm actually stopping the video there. You clearly don't have any experience working properly with WordPress. Also, you're comparing apples to oranges, because as long as Webflow insists on being a closed-source, proprietary, cloud-only platform, they won't be a serious option for most businesses. Most serious businesses that do not have the capital to do a massive new web project every few years REQUIRE full control over their own properties and need to know that their site will still work if trends change and Rando Web Company # 152344888230 happens to go under. (I know you can export the raw HTML, you can also design a picture in Photoshop and export a PNG and publish that if you consider that a working website, it's useless without a backend)
This is so similar to Elementor if you ask me and damn costly too, but I do like the fully custom design stuff...enables you to be a bit more crazy haha. I do like to explore new options. First time am hearing about it though and I look forward to understanding it better.
Now a question, whereas you can export designs from here to other hosts and servers and all that. Can you import a site already functional in WordPress for example and transfer them to webflow?
How can I edit my customers website with webflow, not just using the cms editor? Like deeper past cms?
since webflow is based on boostrap, if you have a small budget Boostrap Studio is a great solution (for static sites)
Do you think it’s better because you have an affiliate link?
Or possibly because he worked with the program the last 5-10 years and built a huge freelancing business... like seven figures a year... But sure, that affiliate link brings the money :)
I think wordpress in a far far far powerful tool than webflow. i have a wordpress woo commerce site having multiple pages with cart and payment gateways etc. Secondly i also host a small forum website on word press and i can monitor users signup,posts etc from my dashboard
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but if you want a single landing page or any 2-3 page website, its a hassle to do with a wordpress with all the setups and etc. so i agree with you on that point.
I really dont know what I want to do..do I work on my html css js skills or should I just work on adobe xd and figma and learn to "make" it dynamic with web flow???
I had a job in HTML and CSS and I'm wondering the exact same thing, or if I should just learn to integrate both
@@jordaborodo6626 update: I actually started working on both, but eventually I realized that I like designing better than developing, so I went with that. My "advice" will definitely be to try both and find what you love to do.
Fully custom design (Without code) -> ok
No setup -> ok
Clean Code -> no, just look at google page speed and you will see that webflow is very bad
Super Fast, Secure ... -> I'm not sure if it's scalable
Fully customizable CMS -> there is no fully customizable CMS
Native SEO -> support google seo ok but native seo it doesn't make any sense
before saying nonsense look for the information yourself rather than giving marketing arguments.
Webflow using the best hosting technology out there (amazon) + the css minify is tiny (vs bootstrap + 5-6 wp plugins css or sometimes 40). In other words - its really hard to create slow sites on Webflow = less time to maintain (on wp to create really fast site it's more tricky and depended on a lot of choices you made on the way (hosting. Setting. Theme. Css frameworks. Plugins & plugins versions. Builders and so on).
Nice job Ran
Webflow lacks the ability to build websites with functionalities. What if you wanted a booking system? Or if you wanted to display an interactive map? When using Wordpress + Oxygen Builder, my possibility are limitless, and the code output is lean. I've created websites with self-hosted videos, store locator, plenty of external JS resources that loads 90+ on mobile Google Pagespeed. Webflow looks cool but is nowhere near Wordpress, especially if you know how to code.
*Webflow is not open-source whereas WordPress is and that single point changes everything. You actually OWN the entire website when you build it on WordPress.*
How does Webflow handle all of the backend server side stuff? Authentication, shopping carts, logins, database interaction, etc.
Next stop: Webflow University! Seriously Dwayne, Google it...
I think with a lot of solutions, people want something that's in between growing your own food on a farm and a convenience store. Hence the grocery store. Yes I want to bake "from scratch" but do I really want to grow and harvest my own wheat? Well maybe I do! But in the meantime .... And the convenience store was great for getting me from point A to B but I really don't want to keep paying 2 dollars for a bottle of water
Been using WP for 5 years and I have never liked it. Thanks for this overview. Convinced me to at least check out a simpler alternative.
I believe what you say. Checkout Divi Page Builder as that has revolutionised the WordPress experience for me. Good luck with WordPress vs Webflow.
@@officialtechin5 use oxygen. It's better than divi
6:55-6:59, ... literally uncrackable security, that’s one big fat lie!
whats your proof sir? Not saying your wrong, but do u know of it being breached? Have u asked the guy who made this video about this specifically ? Im super curious
That's a bit one-sided agreed, but hey!
I don't agree with the point that WordPress only works in templates. There is elementor and it allows to build from scratch.
I watched your video about website design before I got into this one, I am a WordPress + Divi designer and developer. While watching the video I almost signed up for Webflow, till I saw the daily robbery of hosting webflow charges. I signed up for the free version to see what's the hype with webflow, to be honest, I'll stick with my tools now as I have been using them for a while and now I am closed to master them. It's untrue what you saying about WordPress, it's clear on this video you've been paid or never used WordPress Divi or elementor. Your academy site it's average for teaching design.
How much did Webflow pay you to make this?
Spencer H While I think his channels is partly sponsored by Webflow I don’t think they paid him to do this particular video to talk about the his view on Webflow/Wordpress pros and cons. Ran is as far as I’m aware a passionate Webflow user, used the tool extensively in his freelance design business and sells an online course regarding this topic.
for this video - nothing.
@@FluxAcademy Don't take the bait Ran..
I've been bound to WP so hard that I would swear there is nothing better or even close. After finally opening my ming and using the Webflow for a while I have to admit this is the best web designer tool out there. After that Elementor appers to be like brain after lobotomy.
Wp is made by hordes of people with GPL, Webflow is a made by privately owned company, people sometimes mixing up the terms; "Building" a website with "designing" a website...
do you know things like javascript? or is that more for a straight up developer to know? I really want to do what you do, but not sure what scope of things to start learning. i am mostly focused on mastering webflow at the moment, but should i also be learning things like illustrator? thanks lol