Train Simulator | Feather River Canyon ""Enhanced"" |
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2024
- High Iron Simulations have now gone from building whole routes for North American Train Sim complete with bottom of the barrel rolling stock to "enhancing" old routes built by Dovetail Games almost a decade ago - complete with bottom of the barrel rolling stock! And charging full price!
It sucks.
Let's go have a look.
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Things like this are a spit in the face to creators who make routes from scratch with high detail and historical accuracy for free.
I got hated on in a forum by fanboys for saying something like this a while ago. Someone replied "no one cares about amateurish freeware routes". 🤣
@@MrSit87 That quote made me laugh. Just because something is not on Steam doesn’t mean that it’s not quality content. What small minds those fanboys have.
@@MrSit87 Haha yeah I had a DTG shill on steam tell me since no real work is put into freeware routes, it's not worth any money that's why they are free and that you should just buy everything DTG puts out without question. I said sarcastically, yeah, Minerman should just go fuck himself then. Like are these people foreal on this game? Happy with the same shit we have been paying for over and over again for years.
@@MrSit87 Yeah, you kinda get used to those assholes doing everything possible to defend trash. They're the kind of folks who would rate the worst product on Amazon 5 stars and attack people who rate it 1 star.
What sucks is I’m enjoying it, and I think it looks fine. But that’s not because of HIS.
It’s because RWEnhancer is making the shadows and graphics look better.
It’s because AP Weather is making the sky and sun look stunning.
It’s because the Mikado from MachineRail fits in great.
It’s because UTS F7 enhancements is making the original F7’s from 2016 look and sound better.
It’s because years of apathy has made me immune to bad trees.
All these additions which each cost a fraction of the price are doing the heavy lifting. But this costs more than any of them. I still can’t escape that I paid $36 for this slop.
I 100% agree the route on no enhancements is pretty bad, with all the things you mentioned it makes it top tier.
Do you know where I can get the UTS enhancement? Their website is gone.
@@LonesomeTroubadour What the hell happened to UTS Creations?
@@colbylawson5331That I don't know.
Hear ye hear ye, how dare ye speak against HIS and their greatness? Lol But seriously, you can't even speak out against the noticeably bad directly to HIS, as they'll just delete your comment. They're as bad as DTG when it comes to the cash grabbing, but at least DTG let's you voice your issues. HIS deletes anything and everything thats even remotely negative to their work.
So glad you did a review on this. I have the original FRC route; got it when I started my foray into what was then TS2017 and FRC was one of the 3 routes included with my purchase. While I think it is a very good route, I mainly stuck to operating in the area where Quincy Jct is located. In 2020 I stepped away from TS and bought T:ANE and have been exclusively playing it (recently bought TRS22, but haven't gotten into it yet). When I saw the news of an updated FRC coming out, I thought "maybe this is the thing to get me back into TSC", but when I saw the price upon release and the weak 'discount' offered to those who have the original FRC I decided it was a no-go. Funny you mention that it's worth $20-25 because this is what I posted in the steam forum:
"While I don't think it should be free, a 15% discount for those who own the original is a bit of a slap in the face, especially since this 'new' FRC is a just re-vamp with 30ish new track miles with an asking price of a new/fresh/non-revamped route/DLC offering.
If the price was lower or if the discount was bigger, I'd consider getting it. Heck, if there was a way to get just the new track mileage and add it on to my already existing FRC route, I'd pay $20 for that."
I swear that log car looks exactly like the one from the 3Dtrains feather river route for MSTS. I wouldn't be surprised if it was ripped from there just to get something together really quickly. Same can be said for the crane and the accompanying gondola they just look like old MSTS models.
I’m quite certain you’re right. Ironically, I think they hold up better than some of DTG’s *new* products…
Taking a note from RRmod's book, nice.
And by nice, I mean that's a quick way to find yourself ostracized by half the sim community.
@@trainknut I remember RRmods from back in the day, but I didn’t know they were involved in any controversy. What’s the scoop?
@@Yarf.McBarf Keep in mind we're talking about controversy from a decade ago.
But they became infamous in the Trainz community for stealing meshes, textures, etc, and using them in his(Joram24's) content without credit or permission.
Including payware, which is the Trainz version of an unforgivable crime:
To charge someone for content you didn't make yourself, or have permission to use.
Gonna be honest, I really don't care that much, I genuinely believe videogame piracy is a good thing, so it's gonna be a hard sell to convince me that a mesh you whipped up in blender 14 years ago is worth all this effort and drama.
But that's the 30,000ft version of what happened from an outsider's perspective.
People were so upset you could get called out just for having Joram content in your screenshots, people would get genuinely angry if they found out you gave him money, or even gave traffic to his site.
@@trainknut Gotcha, thanks for the summary. I largely agree with you on piracy, although I would argue the stakes are a bit different when we’re talking niche creators rather than giant corporate game studios.
In this case, though, I wouldn’t necessarily jump to conclusions-iirc High Iron includes Rick Grout, who has connections going all the way back to the 3Dtrains days. I think it’s possible the offense here is merely the serial reuse of tires old assets, rather than copying them without permission.
The $30 route was Boston & Albany by G-TraX, and then they jacked the MSRP price up to $40 without notice the next week
There's a reason I wait for Steam sales to *consider* buying Train Sim DLC....
Right
I’ve been so excited since this got announced. I live about 40 minutes from FR Canyon and love the scenery there. I wish there was still passenger traffic there. Disappointed to see how cheap the rolling stock is. Hopefully we get a mod…
Love the content bud! I live in that area and just short of the Quincy Jct. bridges it really doesnt look the area. You're right about the "New" stuff being off. The PG&E dams are a major part of the route, Sierra Pacific Mill in Quincy is a joke, the timber and gold rush heritage of the area was completely missed, etc. etc. Without dropping paragraphs of details, it's very disappointing to
see the lack research and detail that was lost, or was better with the first revision. Keep up the good work bud!
I was born in Quincy and spent most of my young life, I remember watching trains in the canyon with my uncle who worked for Union Pacific, I walked to school past the big sierra pacific lumber mill my dad worked in portola California so the feather river canyon has a special place in my heart
I’ve been waiting for this. Haven’t watched the full video but I’m excited.
Thanks for the video. You definitely saved me spending $40 on this garbage. IMO, the original route looks as good, if not better, than this " Enhanced " version. I used to respect High Iron Simulations for what they produced, but that is gradually waning.
Thanks again SP, for another great review that saves me 40 bucks. I am so disappointed that his enhanced cash grab is the same garbage DTG wants us to sucker into buying. What a shame that this route, which IMO is one of the most scenic and beautiful in N.America, hasn't been given the level of detail it deserves. take care SP. 🤨
Good review as usual... 👍
But as you said in the beginning, for 40$, 35€ pointless and cash grab... 😞
Thank you for the video. I was also interested in this route but as you point out it does not really offer much more then the original for the asking price. Your video effectively settled my question on to buy or not. :)
For this rout I’d give it 4.7/10. I also thought they would have new horns on the loco, boy was I wrong. I kinda like the new rolling stock and the expansion, now as for the GP40-2, to me is a huge disappointment, now as for the other locos they are ok in my book, except what they did with the GP9 crew figures, I hate what they did with the interior crew mode in the GP9 , at least have them face the same direction. But still love hearing your opinions schnaz, wished I waited for your review, like I normally do but was to excited and impatient. But seriously fokes if your unsure about a train simulator DLC, look for this guy’s review, he is a life and money saver.
I'm 100% with you, Schnauzah. I had a shock yesterday when I saw the price. Alarm bells rang. Then I looked at all the other US route prices. Absolutely shameless cash grab.
Then I took a long and hard look at the rolling stock, locos, etc, and saw the obvious which you just confirmed.
Very disappointing. Hard pass for now. Maybe on sale at 50%, maybe.
Thank you for saving us the disappointment.
Btw, no ears flapping today? Say hello for me. I love dogs more than I love trains.
it's a given though that you were never paying for the stock, just the route, but the full price, even for those who already own the route, is criminal
I still have never been happier than with Searchlight simulations AC4400 as well as Jointed rails rolling stock packs. I'd like to get some more SS locomotives, but they are a bit of money. But you most definitely are paying for the realism.
In all fairness, it's a pretty decent route for new buyers (those who don't have the original), not so much for previous owners.
Yeah but if that's the case then go buy the original as it's cheaper.
Yup, $15 cheaper and you get better freeware rolling stock
Quality aside, there are a huge number of various inaccuracies on this route, from the silver Clio trestle to the Rio Grande No Trespassing signs, Portola yard being the 1955 track arrangement, included locomotives are more apt for a early 60s WP, scenarios are Gary's patented "research," which means every single train is completely fake besides the symbol, and the power is just random eras of the WP thrown together, and then there's that Oroville-James looked more like that section of track on the original.
The California Zephyr set for the original route was great. 3D Trains did some nice work.
Thank you for saving me money. I was lookin forward to this as Feather River Canyon is probably one of my favorite routes, but this is just laughable for what is being charged.
Well, sir, you certainly helped me save $56.99 (NZD). I still have the original FRC route, and I wouldn't dare buy this supposedly enhanced version, unless it's ever on a REALLY steep discount. It's borderline evil for the devs to charge so much money for barely any new content, not to mention the lazily reused rolling stock as well
if this was an update to the existing route it may be worth it but as a separate route no
If you are Canadian, this route costs FIFTY dollars IF you owned the original.
I paid thirty for the original.
HOW IS THIS A DISCOUNT??
Have you seen the new freeware Strasburg railroad for Trainz?
DTM TANKER MY LOVE 😭😭
You got some more info on that AI route builder you mentioned? Would be interesting to learn a bit about it
Its Wayne Campbells IP. Called "TreeGen" they basically pay him to use it ea time. Have a look on DTG forums and TSC discord.
I'll get it on sale. STEAM has such big sales for TSC I usually get 3-6 routes for around $20 with package deals. Railbeds not meeting the map is on a lot of these routes. Canadian Rockies does it in several spots really bad. All TSC routes should be $20 at most.
I think the F7 is the one DTM made for the HIS vintage sou pack
Ouch, $40.00 totally expensive route, in the future they should cut down extremely price.
P.S.: "I hope they add an Inside Gateway (Keddie, CA to Klamath Falls, OR) route in the long future.
$51.99 Canuck dollars. Thanks Sean, keep it in my pocket. Great review as always For those that buy, shame shame on ya for supporting these dishonest bastards, all of them. $$$$$$... F-y'all.
And just like Saluda you cant put AP weather on this. Fantastic.
doesn't he have AP running ?
@@berkshiredave9766 its a pita to do be they wont include the newer TOD seasonals which can easily be changed. Its like they dont want ppl using a better looking skybox. Theres a way around it but i had to be spoon fed on how to. Look on the ts American dlc section on train sim community discord
@@schnauzahpowahz Indeed. I noticed with routes like this with the sky box the use the framerate tanks
Come on, Roblox is… uh… ok kinda
i did this route 100% LIVE and in 1440p 60FPS HD
Completely new rails would go a long way, but i agree the new textures are trashed.
Compare this to the AP Wherry Line enhancement, one did it well, this? Not so :c
Where I live it's US$ 50.53 thanks to regional pricing bs
What i don't understand is why they didn't just update the 2016 release instead of of basically a copy for full price.
DTG has been losing my interest as a customer with the Train Sim World releases.
They went from a company releasing products for a single game to making copy paste cash grabs.
The part i truly don't understand is, was this a choice by HIS or DTG to release a copy at full price instead of updating what they already had as a free update to existing owners of the FRC 2016 release.
And yes i am an existing owner of the 2016 release which i probably got in 2017 on sale.
You're probably gonna hate the route I'm doing when I eventually get it done. I'm focusing on train operations more than the route itself, but that doesn't mean I'm half assing the scenery.
love the emotion here
I love that you love it
You would think the money they charge for these shitty routes, they could invest in creating new trees, bushes, locomotives and rolling stock! It’s pathetic how they never create anything new. It’s the same recycled garbage.
Lol i work for sierra pacific.
If you already have the route the loyalty discount is 15% off and runs to February 29, 2024; Original $39.99, 15% off 33.99. I rather spend the money on a route that I don't have. What a joke!!
If it was $15 for a loyalty discount , then maybe.
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My opinion: the previous owners discount is a joke. Even with these days of higher becoming prices (because of incompetent politicions and governments), previous owners especially those buying the old one on first days should pay maximum around 25 Euros [dont know how much dollars they are]. Is the actual discount really only for users visible that owned the original route? [I have it, so I cant say]. Even with the announcement of the route people could by the original one to get the (little) discount [would be interesting how dissapointed they are now are that it is so low]. Perhaps the pricing-discount should have been stuttered, for exmple: buyed on first days/first year 40%, some years later 30-10%. Buyers who buyed the original since announcement: zero% [they can buy instead the new "better" one with more length for only little bucks more]. So my only conclusion: best thing is to wait some months. Then they will kick it out for up to 50% discount as with lot of other DLCs, to be sure
This pack not only is a route from HIS but it's a "enhanced" version of a pre existing route (that in my opinion was not that bad) with a ton of old assets and rolling stock. It's so sad that for the most part dlcs are made this way, without putting effort and passion, just made for a quick buck. The only things that are actualy well done, are the mods made by 3rd party developers, like SS, DW/MR and other minor developers that put a lot of effort to produce either free stuff that requires just a few dlcs from the stem store or payware products that sometimes are cheaper than some dlcs from HIS or dovetail. I personaly hope that someone will create some good, not absolutly exelent like SS, content that feels like it's been made in 2024.
Personally i don't mind the route it self just the face that some of the rolling stock is just meh
im sorry if this come off as a little rude but i have had the game since 2012 i think but paying for mods is a little wrong and he is using alot of them for this when the video is only to be about the route and what comes with it i wonder why dovetail hasnt banned youtubers who give things a chance to see if its worth it and dont just jump to conclusions
Did you at least get ur refund?
No 🥲
I was like 5 hrs deep
@@schnauzahpowahzOof
"Feather River Canyon Enhanced? Maybe this will tear me away from OpenRails for a bit so I can get back to TSC..."
*Watches video*
"Welp, that figures. Typical High Iron and DTG low-quality cash grab garbage."
Speaking of Railworks America though, I at least have to give it some credit just for hosting FanRailer’s physics mods. If not for that, I’d never even look at TSC anymore.
From what i see it would be better to just run trains in GTA SA
i think this review is a bit unfair where as comments are concerned, i mean no disrespect or anything above, the original route had just 2 engines like the F7 & U30B and you had to pay seperate for other DLCS for the original, and i follow High Iron Simulations quite closely and to give credit to them they did quite a good job refurbishing the route it badly needed and given the route new locomotives & rolling stock instead of the original 2 locomotives & rolling stock that came with the original route although re-used to give it a bit of choice, but the original route had nothing if not little diverse resemblance to it's exchange railroad the Burlington Northern in terms of rolling stock & locomotives, and yea i do admit the crane is very old and 2D and should be upgraded to a fully rendered 3D model of it to make it like new than it's predecessor did when it first came out, and should be made & tailored for other railroads that had the same crane like the irl crane did in it's time as well.
Again this is my opinion and i will say again i meant no disrespect at all, i just think this review of the route and comments made were a bit unfair when deep in though HIS did a good job with the refurbishment, i am just being honest in my opinion and just telling the truth from what it is.
And to point out even tho i might get my ass chewed for this view and i am probably not alone in this opinion. I do have High Iron Simulation products such as the Western Maryland, Penn Central, & Santa Fe packs from them, and i know they look cheap but looking at them, they are better than you think, and it's a lot better than making mods of them and selling them on websites that people are gonna steal from or buggy in general, well as High Iron Simulations i think they deserve a chance and some of it's products had evolved a little but not much i do agree, but i think it's a good value for money in general and again i do follow them on Facebook quite closely and i get updates on developments that they do and i think it's pretty good than most other DLC's out of them all, so i think Schnauzahpowahz is being a bit unfair with the locomotive's & rolling stock in general from my point of view,
I don't think he is. For $40 you get a arguably worst route than the original, and definitely not better. And you can get better rolling stock for free if. So your paying $40 bucks for what, a 30 mile extension?
i can see ur argument and understand why, but however i go back to what i said before.
No matter if you find better mods or ask someone for commissions that end up being either expensive or buggy on arrival, sure the horns can be updated slightly and engine sounds but you can get any better than that, sure as i said it looks cheap but if look at it a bit harder, i think you begin to appreciate the effort put in even tho it is $40. You can trust me on that as i'd been playing TS: Classic for years since 2012 and out of all the routes i'd played on and Donner pass was one of them and it is the worst one ever made, and i think same goes to the older routes before or after Donner pass, i meant no disrespect to you or your opinion @@aquaspire7671
Dear god this is awful. I've been around since MSTS and have purchased every North American route and most rolling stock. I work too hard for my money and I'd rather wait for Sim Rail to put out content. Every route from these guys has the same feel and smell, I'm done.....
Cash grab 100%
Saved the 40$ and bought Helldivers 2 instead. I see Buzz is still knob gobbling trying to play it off that the rollingstock is still acceptable. The woodcar doesnt even have an actual break wheel and the paper thing excuse isnt even attached to the car. FoR tHe NeW pLaYeRs. such a shit excuse.
Amen. Been playing HD2 btw as well, kickass game (when the matchmaking works) and worth the pricetag it has
1000-times recycled loco sounds and cab. Nothing new
Y'know there's plenty of freeware detailed Trainz routes available that are better than this "enhanced" garbage...
How is this pile of crap enhanced? Extend the track a bit and swap some old ground textures and assets for more old textures and assets 😆 The selection of American developers worth buying from is definitely slim nowadays.
This is why Ive lost interest in railworks.
One of the worse, most unfair reviews you have given. Taking this to a personal level as you have is unconscionable. Done, unfollowed.
So self absorbed that you feel the need to announce your departure?
A) noone cares
B) enjoy continually being spoon fed bottom barrel content - thanks in part to people like you
C) again, noone cares
There aren't ANY 20 dollar routes...get your facts CORRECT... this is worth the money! You need to stop being a COMPLAINER!....then maybe you'll get more subscribers.
Lol ok smartguy. Then im just another dtg community shill. I dont give a flying rat shit if you, or anyone doesn't agree 😘
stop being so OBEDIENT and dont buy shitty products, maybe things will IMPROVE
Sherman Hill is $19.99. Get YOUR facts correct.