Dangerous Music Analog Summing | Overview | Routing | Is it worth it?
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Newbie here... I'm wondering if I can sum more that once with D box plus... example summing drums/percussion then guitars etc then sum them again together? reason is D Box has 8 channels for summing-8 mono/4 stereo... what do you think about summing a couple different groups then summing those groups to final 2 track?
Nice! Great video. Thank you. 🔥
Of course.
Wow I have the 2Bus old school 16 channel before hitting it I have a 8 channel tube warmer box.. No mix knobs..😢 and the whole time I was just routing in into the 2Bus to 2 channel stereo out the whole time… with just other gear (2 api 512v etc) attached at the end of the stereo out signal path .. back into the apollo🤦🏽♂️ Beautiful 3D flavor this box provides though 😅
The plan now is to be able to wet/dry the tube box to get rid of too much Tube saturation via a ADAT FerroFish.. with digital control. I will have to get a new interface that host 16 channel because I have apollo 8 silver.. plus the converters are not that good on it…Thanks for this brothers
Check out my raw mix going in and out via 2Bus czcams.com/video/GaH-I2UysA4/video.html
@@LosFicosMusic you are welcome
Great info brother🙏🏻💯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you 🙏
Hello, I'm using a Dangerous 2bus+. I connected everything as it should be from/to my Orion Studio (it's pretty much a common sense setup). However, for some reason, I keep getting feedback when I go Main Outs from the 2Bus+ into any inputs on my interface. I'm sure it's something simple being overlooked. Any idea on what it could be?
I understand when returning your sum on an Apollo from the Dangerous you have to mute the return input track on the Apollo otherwise your hearing two... not sure if that helps.
But I love your vids. Your the reason I got the townsend l22.
That’s awesome. How do you like your L22 so far?
@@fadygergis it is absolutely amazing. I have heard and used a few of the mics it emulates and the l22 does a pretty good job emulating. But the beauty of the mic is that while it doesn't replace these tens of thousands of dollars in mics. It emulates them well enough that you can record your session and tweak the l22 app and make some truly unique and wonderful tones. And characteristics. Like the Sony c800. When you use that emulation is it spot on no. But the mic takes on the characteristics of that mic. So when you mess around around with the axis and proximity effects and such or pair it with another mic. You get a tone and sound with the soul of that Sony mic or the nuemann or whatever you choose to use. There is literally an infinite amount of different sounds and tones you can make with this mic to suit any session you throw at it. It was worth every penny. That's my humble opinion though
@@teddybeargram3 you absolutely nailed it. Couldn’t have said it better. Well said 👌
Great Video Fady! I have a similar apollo setup (x8p + 8p) and I use 2bus XT. I wanted to ask you, are your apollos daisy chained with thunderbolt cables? X8p is my main monitor setup and 8p is the slave, and i cant seem to access outputs of my 8p. Would you be able to help explain why? Thanks again for your video much appreciated!
Yeh they are chained via thunderbolt. That’s the only possible way to chain them. And you should be able to access all inputs and outputs of both without any issue.
You might wanna check your I/O in the console.
Or shoot me an email fady@heartbeatproductions.org
Hey which redco db25 splitter did you buy? Also, have you ever heard any audio degradation in audio by splitting it twice?
I personally haven’t had any issue with it. I did bought the one with 1 input and 3 outputs.
I honestly don’t use it now since I upgraded to the Antelope Orion I have
Enough I/O so I don’t use it anymore.
If you are Interested shoot me an email and I can arrange a sale with you.
Fady@heartbeatproductions.org
Good Day, Fady!
Would you be so kind as to share the difference between the "2-Bus LT" and the "2 Bus+"? Are they both intended for summing? If so, what differences would be expected of them?
I appreciate your patience, I promise that I am learning as quickly as I can.
They are both used for summing. The 2Bus+ has more features like harmonic distortion, etc. Both devices are great, but the 2 Bus+ is greater.
LOL... Back again.
I/O matrix finally "clicks" in my head. I think that I just needed to deal with enough routing between devices before circling back to the UAD I/O matrix in order for it to click.
BTW, 2 follow up questions:
1)Why does the 2 bus add the additional headroom?
2)Does going to any multichannel analog piece of hardware allow this take place, or is there something about these "Summing" units which do anything specific?
The analog summing is not for headroom. They are for adding back the analog color that you used to get from a board with small variations among channels which helps make your mix much warmer, wider and fuller.
@@fadygergis interesting. I was watching some Michael James videos which provided me the impression of added headroom within the analog segment of the chain. I'll have to "circle back" to him to gain a fuller understanding.
Thank you as always, Brother.
@@fadygergisHey man, I figured out the headroom improvement (and why). I laugh at myself so hard when I consider how difficult it was for me to deduce why... #ImStillaNOOB
when ever I do analogue summing with mixing + plugins i seem to get latency delay is there anything i can do please?
Send me an email for trouble shooting session. And I can help you.
Fady@heartbeatproductions.org
@@fadygergis thank you. its been resolved I was meant to send all tracks thru summing mixer instead i was sending some. amazing that you offered to help thanks again
@bachelorgamer8001 my pleasure.
Great Info, I need to know the experience you had using the 2Bus LT, pls share your feedbacks so far using in your mixes, does it really make changes in your mix and is it really worth buying. Thank you.
It’s absolutely amazing. It widens your mix and adds dimension to your mix. I absolutely love it.
@@fadygergis Thank you so much, planning to buy one.
I love the video bro. I literally just started My studio up again. I have an apollo 6x and an older apollo quad which was firewire but I bought the thunderbolt upgrade. My old set up I had the apollo quad 8. Into the dangerous d box I dont remember if the dangerous d box was 8 stereo channels or 8 mono channels. It's been over ten years. I can't remember. Sorry for telling you my life story. If I get a new dangerous dbox. How would I go about hooking it up to both my apollos.? And the second question. When I watched your video. I seen you send your stems into the dangerous bus. We're your stems mono or stereo. I hope the question makes sense. Thank you for rhe video. I subscribed to you
Thank you.
My stems are all In Stereo but you don’t have to create stereo stems you can do mono like for bass or single vocal track.
To answer your first question you would connect both interfaces together and literally follow exactly what I did in my video it would be pretty much exactly the same.
@@fadygergis o ok awesome. Im excited to get back into this music production again. When I graduated college 12 years ago. I came from an analog background. Reels and a mixing console. Outboard gear. And by the time I came out of full sail. People were transitioning more and more in the box. So I liked to keep my setup simple. I ran a nuemann 103 into a focusrite liquid channel. Cause that focusrite emulated so many good pres and compressors. And out to my apollo. Then the apollo out to the dbox back in stereo to the apollo. And out to my monitor station. I had the jbl lsr8s. I felt like that dbox gave my mixes that warmth that mixing in the box took away. I want to keep that same energy in my new setup.