PASSENGER FATALITY & Risk Mitigation During Tandem Paramotor Operations
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2023
- When taking up a passenger on a paramotor, you must use a different type of flying mindset than a typical part 103 operation. There was a passenger death recently that I feel could have been avoided by following some simple rules. Fatalities and crashes are part of the game we play, but the bigger game here is risk mitigation. And that game must be played to the highest level when another soul is on board. Condolences.
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Thanks for doing some adulting. The community needs to hear it.
Kyle, back in the '80s fixed-wing ultralights went through this period where two seat ultralights were developed. They were supposed to be used for training. The pilots were giving rides instead. The FAA clamped down and is the reason why we have Sport Pilot today. I can see the same thing happening with trikes. It's just a matter of time before FAA forces trike pilots to be licensed and the trikes registered.
Much needed reminders. Hope "Murphy" stops picking on you.
Wise words brother. Sadly, I feel the numbers of 'joy ride' tandem pilots are growing much too quickly. As a result, I'm afraid that we're gonna see more of this.
Word. Not as egregious, but I think the same about making paramotor "mods", like lights and smoke. Like, if you've got 100s of hours and an in-flight failure or two under your belt, possibly an emergency, then feel free to add additional points of failure, otherwise, concentrate on technique and not smoke trails.
You are so right. Most tandems now are just people flying family and friends from pilots with no SIV, and very little safety training.
Words of wisdom!
well said Sir!
Thank you Kyle O
So good to see you mate. Great advice as per usual.
Great video man 100% truth here!
Thanks for sharing your wisdom!
Thank you Kyle really good advice.
thanks for your voice of reason!
You are very good for our community. Thank you for sharing.
Good to see your face again! As usual excellent content with sage advice!
Amen brother. I know what your are talking about. You made some good points. Thank you and thank you for posting.
Such very wise words. You always offer a teaching point in all you do. I have always valued your channel for this very reason. Thanks for being such a great ambassador to the sport!
Miss you and all your good content
I absolutely agree with 100% of everything you said!!!!
Totally feel this broken stuff issue. That garbage comes in waves just like you said. Good message. Good vibes and good luck your way.
Great video thanks for sharing this with the community. Honestly whether I am doing a tandem, giving a ride on my motorcycle, or even have passengers in my car I'm extra vigilant on what's going on around me. These are all situations where our passengers life is in our hands, we need to take that seriously.
You rock! Stay true to the flying spirit! Be the best you can with thoughts, actions, and persist at improving everyday. Love Laugh Live!!!
Well said Kyle.
More stuff= more maintenance.Keeps you out of mischief. Never a dull day for you.
I totally agree Kyle.
This is good content 👌 😂
Hi Kyle, i know it's not the best video comment and ask for a video that includes self training tips but it would be a lot helpful for the people who does not have access to any formal training (just as myself). It would be so helpful for the beginner pilots that are going to self train anyway. You have the best educational content in YT for paramotors and would be so nice to get a video on this subject.
Happy 4th Kyle! Cheers!
I feel ya brother. I think I've figured it out. When one car gets new tires, the rest get jealous and decide they need some love too. The mower gets pissy and wants new bearings. The tractor r throws a fit and spits out it's alternator... They're worse than kids...
You're not the only one. Everything is broken or doesn't work, as intended. I don't know what is going on but it's harder to deal with as I get older.
Pilots with tandem privileges should also remember they are putting themselves and everything they have at risk if they do something stupid. Good injury lawyers can get past those papers passengers signed before taking a flight with them. Thanks for posting.
I hear it everyday - I wanna fly my wife, kids or friends. Generally from someone just entering the sport - they don’t know better. Or from a pilot with a few months to a year - they should know better.
Tandems are a different animal, minimums increase, decisions need to be far better and the brain needs to be in a place of passenger safety. Not many truely get that or are able to keep within ultra razor thin self imposed rules to ensure a motor out or equipment failure results in nothing more than a safe landing and inconvenience of a walk.
Yup I'm only working towards only using a tandem to make person pan pizza* like a true moron...
Gonna take you up on a tandem for educational reasons Kyle!
Very well said ,Kyle. After 50 years of building ,flying and training and totally enjoying the experience and community I can tell you a Passenger is not what you want 90 percent of the time. Sharing is great but do you usually double on a snowmobile, bike or watercraft? Performance is poorer and risk can not be justified ! Thanks for sharing your well earned wisdom , Kyle. ❤🇨🇦
Thanks for your thoughts Kyle. I would train with you if you weren't 1600 miles away. I'll watch your videos.
And that's why I'm not ever doing tandem.
Good to hear from you, even if it's shitty news bringing us together. Well, I've decided to do this paramotor activity, yep, add it to my reportoire of many other fun and dangerous activities I've partaken in. But I'm gonna be a selfish bastard about it... No tandems here! I seriously am contemplating contacting you Kyle for some instruction- it's between you or Dell, nah, kidding, his vids are awful and it's obvious why he's never made a friend in his life. You though, you make me kinda laugh, more importantly, you are honest and seem like the kinda guy that could get the job done with a special needs student such as myself. I'll get in touch to see if you are interested in taking on the challenge, until then, keep plugging along and I'll do the same. Thanks for all the great content and hope to talk to you sooner than later, peace ✌️
well said Kyle. sorry you got hammered with the wx. We been feeling the heat down here too. Folks up north have no Idea. My fav was in basic doing 5am laps with that san antone wanna be heat and humidity.....was mild compared to what I was used to. They f-ed up and made me 3rd element leader, so I set the pace. I had them northern boys passin out and droping like flies on the first mile around the track. They were dying from heat stroke/exhaustion at 5am.....and I was like dudes...it's barely 82 out here what's the problem?
Can’t imagine what the pilot has too live with 😢
Good litmus test re: tandem, i.e., grandchildren and responsibility for another untrained soul. Use tandem for education not acro/over water/risky biscuits flying (NOT dishing on Gott). I was thinking tandem arrangement for carrying doodads for camping, etc. vs passenger. The only thing to do with broke shit is to attack 'em until they're fixed or disposed of. If stuff not addressed their existence tends to turn into a form of water drip torture. Maybe farm out some of the fix it stuff but the independent spirit makes that difficult and having to oversee someone else is just another problem/time consumer. Maybe summer is telling you to take a vacation or get to the 'honey do', typically around the house, stuff. Good vid. Thanks Kyle O.
Unfortunately we can't do tandem trike flying in the UK. It would be a perfect training tool but unfortunately you need a licence for dual wheeled trike. The trike would need to be certified. Good content.
Till next time 👍
I'd flown a few passengers (hundreds of thousands) in my time "dabbling" in aviation, but have ZERO interest in getting a tandem certification. At least until my grand kids might want to learn to fly...but even then, I'll have them enroll in a well developed curriculum, administrated by a well established school, with a long proven track record built on discipline and statistical success.
So what are your thoughts on the new USPPA Introductory Tandem Instructor (ITI) rating?
The Introductory Tandem Instructor (ITI) rating is for highly qualified wheel launch pilots who want to introduce others to PPG through tandem flights but aren't interested in teaching the complete PPG 1-3 syllabus.
Im my opinion, this is going to allow more tandem "instructors", that don't really care about teaching or aren't serious about providing instruction. So we'll probobly see more tandem accidents like this in the future.
The first 200 hours for a new GA pilot are the safest . After that complacency sets in and more risks are taken. I wonder how long this pilot has been flying.
I got a pilot license in my early 20’s. Before long I got bored with it and started flying closer to the ground. I realized that I lacked the mature judgement necessary to be a safe pilot so I stopped flying. That was over 40 years ago and I honestly don’t regret the decision. Now I’m thinking about PPG. I think I might enjoy it and my judgement has certainly matured. Unfortunately my wife’s dad died in an airplane crash when she was 10. He was the pilot and only occupant. The airplane was out of annual and had a mechanical failure on an airworthiness directive. It would have been checked during the inspection. I probably shouldn’t cause my wife that kind of worry.
Lord I hope not. My frst cpla hundred have been dangerous enough. YOu're telling me its going to get worse. Whew, Im in for a wild ride! All joking aside, I totally get your point.
@@shanesplanetshane3795 That was one thing I remember my CFII telling me when I had asked about taking passengers at some point. My nephew is now in flight school and I told him the same thing, that CFI is still fresh in your ear for sometime but eventually we all get a little complacent. My flying dwindled after my kidos arrived, I was the main bread winner so I had to take it easy. I have not flown fixed wing in nearly 15 years now. May get back into at some point but for now paramotors have my interest.
I heard your safety talk & good of you! But when you finished, you got up & what do I see? A skull & crossbones 😅
I'm happy to hear that if I ever get a paramotor I'm going to single wire the springs and then I'm going to go ahead and double wire him because I don't want something come through that prop flying off of there going who-knows-where and hitting one of the people on the ground you know those people that didn't have anything to do with it but could get hit with a flying piece off the prop
We're not allowed to fly over congested areas, or open air gatherings of people.
@@kyleoglee yes sir I agree with you 100% And I don't think you ever broke a single regulation as a professional courtesy to the sport and the people who are not in the sport. One other thing I think you have that I have to self respect. We've got people in your sport with the power paragliders that are trying to get them outlawed and banned from almost everywhere. Some of the content creators on this channel are very very popular and a lot of them have no respect for the regulations or the intent of the regulations. One power paraglider guy on this very telephone on talking on brag that he was going to set the world record for the most offenses against the FAA. He had about 20 different letters were they had written to him and said this isn't a safe practice that isn't this and he knows everything and he doesn't have to follow any of the suggestions the FAA makes so we can all share the airspace. The idea that somehow some sixty-year-old guy that owns the great big farm and has a tandem powered paraglider that's in good condition he pays good money to keep it maintained to the book and flies by the rules, it's some kind of a greater safety risk because he's not trying to teach other pilots, seems downright ridiculous to me. You are on the content creators gravy train and it is a completely the opposite of the past economic forces. You have enough self-respect to stand head-and-shoulders above these other people. Let's look at a distilled example of what I'm talkin about let's just call him Joe cocky hot shot. Joe goes up and flies in and out of the Willamette River canyon. Nobody can see which way the wind's blowing in the video and they don't care if they can't see it it doesn't exist all they can see is Joe. If Joe has a 1% chance of wrecking there because he's got the skills to pay the bills and he gets in and out okay, on tape, everybody watches the tape 100,000 times and there's no accident so the odds must be better than one in 100,000 against a crash. Then the pilot who just lost a friend comes down on the same problem Joe had the winds from the other direction and he whines up hitting the river drowned his friend. It's not your fault it's not my fault but somebody is getting paid to get people to watch them do something tricky and make it look easy. Then of course you turned around and tell everybody your self-serving you too content producer of you and you think that people like me that bought a tandem if I did got a license should either get to the point of being an instructor and only haul a student to make a buck or they should just never take anybody for a ride. I guess you're right you guys got to stick together like a bunch of Union people so you make sure that all of those guys who were up there creating content that distort the safety of some of these things do not get the light shined on them absolutely not. I work on boats down there a long time ago in the metal lot of good people from Louisiana and the best people in the whole damn world are the Cajun Navy. There is absolutely no stupid or place to go in a boat than a place it's recently flooded with cars and stuff and you've never seen it before it's never been wet before it's in a constant state of flux flux not one place are you likelier to die steering a boat that you bought and paid for and filled up with fuel than flood waters. I don't see many videos of Cajun Navy people making rescues and putting it online and bagging up how good it is to drive a boat well luring people down there to drown in flip a boat because they just don't know what they're doing. No matter who it is where it is when the flood-hit from the hurricane up shows the Cajun Navy and they get in their in their own boat with their own money. Those guys mostly aren't Rich they work hard for that money they work hard to buy that boat. None of them's whining about the idea that they're unlikely to come back compared to a regular boat trip on a lake. None of them is bragging about the idea that they're going to fly down in there blind on their own boat their own money just in case there's somebody stuck in a house or on a roof they can get out of hell. So instead of falling in with all the CZcams content creators that are crashing airplanes intentionally hoping nobody is in the way so they can make a buck, why don't you grow some balls and become the Cajun air force? When the sky clears up get the best people you know the best man that ever pilot a power paraglider because they're going to need the skills and have them fly over that flood and tell them quiet Cajun Navy guys where you're seeing somebody on a roof so they don't have to travel around a lot of extra miles and drown one of them for nothing? There's two good reasons to do this one there are people back in that flood who will die if you can't spot them and get the boat to them quicker than the boat can find them.our sport of paragliding particularly power paragliding needs some good press we need some videos that catch people's attention because every jackass with a power paraglider is getting 10 times of you as you are and they are going to stop power paragliding for us.
Totally right. Question is can you live with yourself if you hurt someone? And face the consequences?
Even solo flying, you fly low and hit someone your facing potentially jail time.
This sport will deffo get regated , we have new bylaws in our area now and only 2 of us !!
It takes 1% to spoil it for everyone. We also fly rc planes , there is more regulations to fly a model plane!!!!
I want jet training on paramotor. Where located
I remember being told when I was young....If you don't want to get bit by a gator, stay out of the swamp. Just another way of saying that you have to always consider and prepare for worst case scenarios.
Personally,,, two seaters belong to the fixedwing aircraft...
Curious, was this a PPC or PPG?.
There are lots of PPC's that are more dedicated to 2 seats. But I'm sure they are not part 103. Heck, they're close to 103 weight limit, just standing there without any in a seat!!!
Football practice... not for another month or 2 yet... we're nowhere near labor day yet!
no floatation
Also even if solo... flotation flotation flotation..
just don't fly over water. flotation probably will not save you.
@@12vibaba silly comment. And flotation does save you, been there done that.
Yeah Kyle, come North with us! F!@# Buckets of heat
I'm coming
Sweet!
@@kyleoglee screw those hobos, come to Oregon
I often hear people who are interested in getting to PPG because the would like to fly their family and friends. My response is they should look into a sport pilot license and aircraft (like PPC) or General Aviation. Passengers are not generally not permitted in PPG. The only exception to allow passengers in PPG is for training purposes under an instructor exemption.
I am surprised how many PPG pilots suggest tell the newbie, "no problem, you just need a trike, and an exception rating to take your family for rides".
right on Ben.
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Ironically didn't they just lower the requirements to take passengers.....
The passenger takes a risk by deciding to fly but does not have the knowledge to know if the pilot has proper training and hours.
the rules are actually quite clear and simple. The "complexity" comes with people try to make grey area, where it doesn't exist. Same with PP and Part 107 drone.
Gloom, despair and agony on me.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery!
Some sermons, need preached.
You mean people flying their buddies up to do a skydive isn't training? 🤣
Nonsense, passengers should have the freedom to risk their lives.
the passenger got the tandem as a gift from his wife and had no idea that flying low over a river with no out was inherently dangerous nor understood how to un-clip his harness once in the water. There should be some responsibility on the pilot to avoid those situations but also plan for the event of a water landing.
The passenger DOES have the right to do something stupid, but that does not obligate the pilot, who has the responsibility for what happens in the air, to take up anyone but himself or herself and it doesn’t lift any of the responsibility of the pilot for anyone she/he does decide to take up. What part exactly do you think is nonsense?
Flying always has a risk. Flying over water without a bailout with an untrained passenger is gross negligence.
I agree, but the passenger assumes the pilot is qualified and will mitigate danger. Just as we riders expect our airline pilots, to do their best. We accept that flying can be dangerous, we arent accepting that the pilot can be on drugs or unqualified. Not aying this pilot was either of those, but they obviosuly were flying in an area they shouldnt have been.