HEAD TO HEAD - Mesa Boogie Badlander 50 vs Mesa Triple Crown 50
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Badlander 50 for me all the way!!! In fact, own one of these badboy's and the tones are heavenly!
Very nice comparison of two great amps. I am in love with my TC-50, which I find absolutely fantastic
Same here!
Yes. It was great yelling at each other at that show! Glad to have met you and Derrick.
Love all my Mesa/Boogie amps but if I had to choose between my Triple Crown 100 or my Badlander 50, I would choose the Badlander. Just more presence and sizzle and more of a rectifier tonal background.
If they made a 3-channel Badlander, I'd be all over it too! But for now, the options with the Triple Crown 100 that I also have trumps it all for me personally :)
@@deconstruction3397one thing to consider is : the amps in the video are dialed in to the tones HE likes. They will probably sound different to someone else who tweaks the eq and gain to their liking 😮
Triple Crown sounds way better than I expected!
8:14 am I hearing a Coheed and Cambria here?😊
12:01 those sounded lovely to me.
The Willie Adler video showing him playing the Triple Crown 100 on channel 3 is a badass tone. I got the TC100 for the power soak options and to crank out some Lamb of God riffage. Incredible amp. Have not been able to try a badlander but I do have a rectifier already so no rush. Thanks for shooting these out though. I think you would really like the TC100 w the power soaking options.
I read that Willie Adler is now touring with the Badlander to see if he likes it over the TC 100, I was thinking the same thing when I bought the Mark V 25, then bought the TC 100 and now it looks like I may need a Badlander lmao
In all seriousness I love the TC 100 if I was going to get another amp it'll either be the Omega Obsidian or the Bogner Ubershall, both amazing amps
@@chrisleguen2813 interesting, did not know that. Tone chasing is the best! I do believe Wes Hauch used a TC100 to record his latest Alluvial LP and it sounds massive. All abt how Mesas are dialed in and/or boosted. Love all things Mesa.
Any chance you gents are interested in selling your TC-100? I’m looking to purchase one of you are thinking about selling your TC(s).
The TC100 has much bigger tone and low end! :)
Awesome to hear... Considering one for my next Amp.... Thats what I figured bout the fuller tone and bigger low end... Probably has bigger transformers.
@@jroc6166 I often find that with most amps. Hope you enjoy it.
I agree it's more than likely the same scenario with both amps in the 100 watt versions. I really want the 100 watt TC and will trade a 100watt Engl Invader for 1
How does Kyle only have 4k followers.
Quick, everyone tell a friend!
The solo boost on the TC gives it some ooph also!
The Badlander sounds like what i really like about Mesa gain more than the TC50. It has more "fluff" or "loft" in the low mid and bass. It's like the spongy type of response. I really prefer that over being thinner and having more of a crackle like the TC50 has.
Badlander wins for me.
To me it just sounds harsh and ice picky. Like a tighter but worse dual recto.
Great explanation
I find if u put 6L6’s in the Triple Crown and leave the tight switches on it’s great! Def gotta run the bass up on that amp for sure I run the gain at about 130-2 o clock but 6L6’s def need it up some
MB 445 6L6 in the TC 100 gives it more aggression.
Badlander is a beast. Fuller and heavier! :3
Excellent demo!! Both sound great! The Badlander is more my taste, first Mesa I've owned when I could finally afford a good tube amp after playing 30+ years lol! Still thrilled with it 🤘
I'm right there with you man. Both amps are sick.
Agreed!
Great video. After watching this demo, I realized I don't want either of these amps. ( I'll take an EVH Stealth instead! )
@Gregory Magyar Which one did you play? Was it new or used? What was terrible about it?
would love to hear both together. with how the mids sound in both amps, the 2 of them would probably compliment each other perfectly. maybe not for thrash, but...
I bet they would sound great paired up
Dream amps right here. awesome video
Damn!!!!!!
Jason Bourne is making his own soundtrack??…
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Nice review. I have a TC-100 and have been considering the Badlander. Nice to see the comparison.
Thanks man, hope it helped!
Great comparison. Both on my soon to acquire list of possibilities. Lean towards the TC for the flexibility and variety of tones.
One of the difficulties of comparing even two amps that are exactly the same- Noon may be different even between 2 Badlanders, never mind between another amp-line; even from the same manufacturer.
Really appreciate the raw sound feed.
Sub'd
I had a Mesa roadster when I got my TC50 and sold the roadster the next week.
They both eventually got to great tones. Duality Dx could get a guerrilla amp to great tone! Haha seriously two good amps and they definitely came together with the Dx and the Explorer!! Badlander was so hyped does sound good here!!
Another qaulity video by Thrash Damon!!!!
I really liked the tc 50, which i didnt expect at all. Great video as always 🤘
Thank you~
A little too much sizzle on the rectifier for me, I prefer the TC but both sound great. Boosting the mids and treble on the TC does indeed increase the gain.
I have tried the badlander and found that it did nothing I could not get out of either my roadster or multi watt triple rectifier with a boost pedal. Does it sound good yes, nothing revolutionary. I also have the triple crown and unless you just insist on the rectifier sound I like my TC 50 over rectifiers for most things except maybe my seven string. I generally never need to boost the TC except with a compressor for more snap on leads. Thanks for another great vid Kyle.
I’m actually watching this for the TC, i think it sounds great but I play 8 string almost exclusively. You feel like the Dual Rec is better for extended range stuff? I’m in the market for a new amp so I’ve been trying to find people demo with extended range guitars but no dice so far
@@johnconte9625 obviously there are a lot of studio tricks, so it's not the same as the raw Recto. However, Car Bomb and Meshuggah make good use of Rectos in extended range tunings.
@@ABHORRANCE831 They definitely do, so does The Contortionist. I ended up getting the TC100 anyway, felt like the saturation was closer to what I wanted than the Dual Rec, although the variable wattage version of the Dual Rec was definitely a finalist.
The TC does have a rectifier in it. A solid state rectifier
Nice comparison…. The Triple Crown is more my thing but man that Badlander has some great tones.
I have the Badlander amp and I can say that having the mids all the way up doesn't make the cleans have a more Jazzy tone or a more classic rock sound on the distortion channels, it has a weird sound to me, but thankfully the Mids being at the 12 o'clock position is enough mids for my liking. I love how the Badlander can be plugged directly into a computer with some cab simulation settings, but I do have a 2x12 and Sennheiser mic for my Badlander which I could use too. I think the Badlander sounds better than the Triple Crown for modern metal tones and I think the Badlander looks better too.
I have a tc 100 and just ordered a badlander 50watt. Thanks for the videos Kyle. Thats why I got the tc 100
Hey mate, how do you feel about these two? which one is better?
Great review! Saving up for my first Mesa combo amp, still a long way to go. Still deciding between Badlander 50 and TC50.
Me too bro. The three independent channels on the tc-50 is what's putting me on that side of the fence. Tc-50 with 616's should freakin do it i believe. If the badlander's top channel was footswitchable between clean and crunch, that would definitely make me think about it more. It would be like three channels then👍🤟🤟🍻🍻
I'd go with the TC-100 if I were y'all. My preference was with 6V6s too. Ended up being my favorite amp of all time and I've owned quite a few. Cheers!
Ehi Kyle.. great video, as always... so... why not a comparison between these new Badlander and TC and the old Stiletto? They all have EL34 tubes and it could be interesting to hear the tonal differences and similarities between them... thx man!
TC and Stiletto is on the list. They're both supposed to be "British" style offerings from Mesa, so it makes sense
Great shootout vid. I personally love my TC50. I find that it does metal very well, even without a boost (have a very elaborate tube screamer that I never turn on while playing this amp). Plus, the TC50 scratches almost any itch you could have when it comes to tone.
What itch would you say it doesn't scratch? I play everything on it from jazz to metal and it does all that amazingly imo!
Good work dude!
Ahh..that hoarseness in the voice of
a musician...reminds me of napalm
in the morning..
Seriously though, I can hear in your guitar playing that you've been playing out.
Your hands are quicker and naturally dialed in.
Awesome dude, y'all are BRINGING IT.💪
When it comes to amps of that caliber it’s not so much which one is better it’s more of which do you like better,and that ones a hard call lol
You said it right 👍
Agreed
And then you buy them both and tweak knobs all day while chugging. This would not suck.
The TC50 will cut in the mix much better.
They sound badass! Awesome demo.
Thanks man!
Damn!!!!!!
Jason Jason Bourne is making his own soundtrack??…
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Great video comparing the two! I could actually discern the tonal differences between both channels of the amps. The articulation of the thinner notes seems better to me on the Triple Crown (on tight) without the front end boost, but the Badlander sounds better boosted. I have the TC-100 and honestly haven’t tried anything on the front end yet, but I’m no Willie Adler. Have you tried the Friedman BE-100 Deluxe yet? I’d be interested in your thoughts on how it compares to the Mezzabarba Trinity.
Great vid good playing definitely helped make my decision thanks 👍
Getting vibes of Municipal Waste!
Keep up the good riffs!
HELL YEAH!
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both are great. over all the TC 50 winds for me
Great comparison! Loving both sounds! At 8:16 are you playing Feather by Coheed and Cambria?
I was wondering the same lol, that's a great song! Just saw Coheed live last Sunday in Phoenix AZ, they never disappoint 🤘
I’m not sure if you are aware but many of mesas amps have certain eq knobs that also effect gain. Like the mark iv treble effects gain.
That explorer is awesome 👌
Little bit of Poison, Fallen Angel riffage?
Was waiting for that one! 👍
Great video Kyle. What amp do you prefer, TC50 or Badhander
Man, I gotta get me a Boogie
Get a Triple Crown, instead 😅
wish i knew when he was playing which amp. like, words on the screen indicating which one we're hearing, ya know.
So what's the deal with putting everything at noon?
waz up kyle!!! i waz pleasently surprised by the triple crown, sounded pretty good...been meaning to ask what you think of the new enforced album "kill grid"??? i've been wearing that shit out...remember, no cleans!!!
Kyle ,is there a peavey amp that can get real close to the lead channel of a mesa mk 4?If so that woul'd be a cool video series on trying to nail tones from other amp manufacturers.
Badlander for me !
Usually I like the British voiced amps more (except for the Mesa mk IV) but this time i prefer the badlander: sounds fuller/beefier and more saturated...I also think you can make it sound more British... The TC instead sounded weak, thinner and more confused in the upper-mids...this is weird since I really liked the TC in other demos a lot.
I honestly think you should get/borrow a Dual Dark 50 or 100 will shock u. I know u don’t like or have many Orange amps but out of all my amps, it surprised the hell out of me. Think it would be a great amp to demo if greedy people would stop jacking up the prices. I paid 1,500$ for mine and it is one of my favorites.
Maybe I had a funky one, but I had to crank the presence and treble on my Badlander to get even close to the tone you have with those one 1 o clock. Either of those knobs below 3 o clock on mine sounded like a heavy blanket got thrown over the amp. I ended up trading it for a Mark V and I’m much happier with that.
What cab were you using?
@@smalltownjon the same Mesa OS cab I’ve been using for the last 10 years. I actually have the Triple Crown 100 now and I love it
Kyle what happened to the Boogie Mark III video? I remember you mentioning it but I never saw you post it
yes, the mark III please!!!
Great demo video. Just tell your viewers which amp is on at the very time you are using it. Still I would like to own both heads. Because they both sound great. Btw I do own a 50 watt Rectoverb head.
I like both except I would get 100watt models ,these are kick ass for sure Kyle, excellent demo..🤘😈🍻
Great demo. Did you mention which power tubes you were using for each? Sorry if I missed it. Would have liked a 6L6 in each comparison and then also an EL34 comparison to see how it worked for you.
EL34's in both. Power tube swaps make a minimal difference in the grand scheme, so I don't think it's worth the effort to showcase.
@Deconstruction 33 "better" is 100% subj ctice and again, the differences will be minimal vs a cab/speaker, overdrive, pickup swap. Often not enough of a difference to even notice in a band setting, but each amp will react differently
Thanks for doing this Kyle!
I have a BFG Amplification modified Dual Rec that is my benchmark Dr. My only complaint about the Baflander is it seems to lack the fullness and overall huge tone a rectifier. When I had it, I couldn't shape it as well as my BFG Dr or even my 2001 Dr with an OD. It seemed to thin out more than the older Recs. I haven't enjoyed any newer rectifier as much as the older Recs, unfortunately. I also had the Multi Watt DR, but man, the older ones, including a Rectoverb, ate it alive. :(
The Triple Crown is a nice amp.
I would love to see you check out thr Mark V90 (not 23/35), as it can do a lot of what the TC can, but more badd ass, if that makes sense?!
Thanks bro. We really enjoy your videos. Very educational as well. :)
I like the 👑 👑👑
I would take either of these killer amps lol. They both sound great.
hey man can you do another one of these shootouts with the 100w models? I own the tc100, tryin to dial it in and having a hard time finding any love for it. Im very curious about the badlander 100.
Dude, where in the Northeast, Massachusetts area are you? Your accent isn’t super-screaming, but I swear I’m hearing that “clOck” Boston ‘o’ vs. the NY “clAWck” I’m saturated with.
Would you record a track/video with both amps going at the same time one panned left and one right?
Hey dude! Great video. Just curious, for your first show back what guitar amp combo did you use and why?
Hey dude, I'll be doing a video on my live rig soon
I will never understand why you leave an OD pedal on for these. I really have no idea what these amps really sound like.
I haven’t played a Badlander yet, I have a Mark V, a TC50, a Fillmore 50 and a mini rec 25. I used to have a multi watt too (recorded my bands ep with it check it out in Spotify or iTunes if ya want band name is Nightside District) love ur videos, I think from this video I would get a multi watt again instead of the badlander just because the multi watt is more different to the TC tone than the Badlander! Keep rockin!
Hey Mike. Does your Mk V compliment your TC 50 well? I just picked up a TC and was thinking a V 25 head would sit nice on top of that. Which one do you gravitate to more?
I can hear the differences but I feel it's the tubes EL 34 or 6L6. Perhaps change tubes in TC to 6L6 or vice versa on the BL?
Have you ever changed from 6L6 to EL34 in the same amp? The differences are very very samll. The differences here are in voicing, both amps have EL34 power tubes here.
@@belligerentamateur No, not in the same amp. I am looking at both amps to add one to my sounds and the being able to swap tubes in the same amp is a bonus! I play mainly leads and would like your opinion as to which might work better.? "hard rock and fusion metal mostly"
can you show somehow which amp you are playing, I never know which one you just playing
Mesa tc wins the crunch much tighter.
But for metal badlander
Are you related to Stuart Bull?
Nice video! I was wondering, what cabinet is being used in the video? Greetings!
What bridge pickup are you using in your Explorer?
I am very happy with the Mesa Triple Crown 50 head. I am not a fan of anything (Recto) by Mesa. I love a three channel amp and the Triple has so many options. I think they are both good choices. I think the people that really screw themselves are the people buying these single channel "Botique" amps like Dr. Z-I am sure they are fantastic. I have seen some of them fo for 3000.00+ with 1 channel, NO reverb and NO effects loop. What is that??-They are an extra 500.00 + if they are RED. That makes me say NO WAY. These are the same people who want more for what they paid on the used market. Like Hendrix recorded with it?? NOT.
Great shoot out. Have read somewhere that the triple crowns are noisy(the fans), is so with the Badlander?
I don't hear any fan noise on the TC-50, but the 100 might be louder?
I needed to chime back in.. there is some fan noise on the TC-50 but it’s a really quiet hum.
Still, it could present an issue with noise for recording, which may require separation of head & cab (if you’re after a super discreet sound with noise gates before verbs and delay.
Love your vids...... maybe try a MXR 10 band on some demos. Demoing amps without ever using a 10 band to tweak things to full potential leaves out many possibilities.
Because people want to hear just the amp,not the amp with…….
8:13
Is triple crown the best one 👶👑🎤🙏👶👑🎤🙏👹👑🎤🙏
My TC-50 desire just gets worse. No.1 mesa eq rule...the pots are always interactive.
Shame they are horrendously expensive in the UK, especially with a two notes torpedo to really push it. US$2500 for a head alone is no joke.
PRS MT15 vs EVH STEALTH 50!
Kyle dont know if I missed you saying did you have el34 or 6l6 in the TC50 ?
EL34 here
@@belligerentamateur same in mine, and it sounds great. Thanks for taking the time to do these comparisons.
Man, the TC sounded waaaay better on this demo; Badlander sounded too fizzy
Love that you put these two against each other for a high gain shootout.
Personally, I bought the TC because it has three channels.
My only complaint, is one I have for just about everybody doing amp reviews.
Do a full run-through with no pedals.
Every single person watching knows what driving the front of an amp sounds like, they want to hear the amp, not your preferred set-up of the amp.
Also, what is with controls at noon?
You don't compare cars, by pushing each gas pedal down half way, and then use that as a metric for measuring performance.
If you were testing different revisions of the same amp, that might be a relevant factor, maybe.
Cant seem to wrap my head around what it is trying to demonstrate- especially on a Boogie, who's tone controls are notoriously unfriendly to noobs, because of their frequency shifting in relation to the gain stages, and the rest of the tone stack.
All in all, still a pretty solid review.
The amps get played plenty wthout pedals in my videos, so I see no reason to do a full video without them, especially when my audeince is using overdrives in pretty much every scenario. I aim at my crowd, that's all. 2 separate videos would be a waste.
The point is starting with the controls at noon to see how they differ in a neutral setting. It's pretty easy to understand. I don't leave them at noon. If I did, then you'd have a reason to write what you wrote. Sounds like you know what you want and should make your own videos, I wish you luck!
Also going to throw out there that it’s the Mesa Mark series which really don’t play nicely with controls at noon and don’t make a fair comparison there. The Badlander and TC are both as fine to run at noon as any other setting.
MKIII
Wheres the wgs speaker audition???
It's coming man! I have lots of videos already in the pipeline before those ones.
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A truly good amp doesnt need to be boosted.
That is 100% a matter of opinion, and up to the individual user.
@@belligerentamateur I stand by statement. I will add a nice eq pedal in the loop to me is more transparent and has a very similar effect.
@@paisteplayer1040 a truly great amp doesn't need an EQ Pedal.
@@belligerentamateur No they dont.
@@belligerentamateur Do you use the built in eq on a mark series amp ?
Jason Bourne
Triple Crown wins
If your into deathmetal grind core then your in the right place cuz imma dial in these amps like your going to an Aerosmith concert then play like deathmetal to trick you into think this pos is good, if I were to spend as much on a amp as I did on my car and it sounded this bad I’d throw it against a wall. All you CZcams guitarists dial your amps in sounding so bad 😂🎉😢
Sorry he let you down again guys time to spend the extra money and get you a Diezel but keep in mind that if CZcams does a demo they will dial in a Cheap Trick rock n roll tone and disapoint you no matter what amp they demo
Potatobrain supreme!