The End Of Liberalism With Carl Benjamin, Connor Tomlinson | The Culture War With Tim Pool
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Carl Benjamins ability to explain his thoughts pulled me out of being a lifelong radical leftist back in 2017.
Welcome the the life of living, brother.
That's fantastic news. I wish to be as calm and considered as him.
He and Douglas Murray always amaze me with their eloquence.
Me too. He was the first of his ilk who really changed me, and I've found a LOT of people I've greatly admired since.
But what's amazing is that he is still the best. THE best. I got distracted for a few years by other people he opened the door for, but then when I hear him again he is just in this philosopher-king league that is above the rest.
I dont know whether to be joyful about this or worried. The fact that it takes a heavyweight like Sargon to convince leftists bodes a tremendous burden for us all.
Too bad he constantly lies about what Classical Liberalism is using Neo Conservative sources from 2006 and later based on his Menshevist fee fees. Dude is controlled opo, like all other "independent media" they all get paid using Social Media Embezzlement.
The only reason I am upset about this episode is because it is over.
2 hours is waay too short.
I agree
Same. Great episode.
I could go full Rogan on this
Agreed! Would love to see more of these guests.
I just listened to this and the irl episode. Absolutely the best of Timcast and Lotus Eaters. Genuine thank you to all.of you.
*These are the kind of people CZcams literally ban.*
Indeed, largely because they've moved out of the center or center right to further advanced political theory. Another is a guy name aristocratic utensil, who is a monarchists. Any advanced political based on rightist theory ends up banned, because it makes logical sense based on what we know right now.
@DawgHouseVideo not everything is about isreal and jews. They're shadow banned because they're nationalists and moving further rigjt.
@@DawgHouseVideo you'd think so but no, youtube bans the shit out of them
Oh please. These people are as mainstream as it gets. Tim didn’t get the number 1 CZcams show by being a rebel. He got it by saying what he is supposed to
@@futurereflections4097 Sargon and his cohost from the UK is who I was speaking about, specifically.
Tim has always adopted the official narrative when it was something CZcams would otherwise punish. (And he would steal other people's stances, then act like he never held the opposite belief, then pretend he came up with it lol)
I'd give anything for these 4 to do regular shows together. 😢
Tim/ Carl... build a transatlantic tunnel!
Made of GRAPHINE
@@TimmysFriendSimulator
😂 Ian seems to have a visceral detest of everything and everyone British. Despite his ancestry being from Crossland, Yorkshire... so I *definitely* want graphene involved! 😂
@@realMaverickBuckley i think what he has a problem with specifically is the British empire, not "everything British."
I feel like Dwight from the Office
Elon!!!! 🏃♂🏃♂🏃♂🤣 we gotta do it!
Plate tectonics makes this difficult. Scotland and Appalachia used to be the same mountain range
This is not a debate. This is a discussion. We don't see this very much anymore as the participants are trying to score points or otherwise play to audience capture. I truly appreciate Phils self awareness, I agree with the guys on this this and this, and Connors manners of going thank you rather than 'gotcha'. this is the type of content that will feed your soul. You have captured something special here, Tim and Crew
Felt a bit like the discussion became a little too abstract and they talked past each other even though they mostly agree. Or maybe these are the conversations people like
Indeed my soul felt nourished 😄
Phenomenal guests.
Carl is truly insightful and eloquent, and Connor has proven surprisingly erudite for someone my own age, both are huge inspirations to me in many ways.
They are also both quintessentially British, true Englishmen through and through.
I have immense respect for these men.
Carl is so Fing gay
Agreed. I've been an OG fan of Carl's watching his content ever since the dreaded, infamous, *_GamerGate_* lol.
Harry is my favorite Lotus Eater, as a fellow musician, and he's also got the best sense of humor of all of them IMO.
But Connor is a close 2nd, a very sharp young lad.
Eh, I disagree with Connor. When you watch him on the Lotus Eaters he is a lot more bombastic and disagreeable. I think the issue which defines him was the one where he supported legally mandated showing of ID's in order to visit porn websites, and then claimed anyone who disagreed with him just wanted child porn. After such a horrible strawman, I have a hard time considering anything he says to be in good faith.
@@bewawolf19 He is a very convicted Catholic, which I am not either. (I don't assume you are either, but I guess I could be wrong lol)
Nobody's perfect, and I can agree that is a strawman, but I personally wouldn't dismiss him entirely based on 1 outlier opinion like that.
I don't agree with it either, but degeneracy isn't exactly doing our civilization any favors atm.
I certainly wouldn't personally say that 1 issue is what "defines him" lol.
I think we need more bombastic, disagreeable public figures on the right, they just need to go about it in the right way.
But because they typically don't go about it in *_much of any way whatsoever,_* we have this woke mind virus nonsense taking over the West.
What WhatIfAltHist describes as the dumbest ideology throughout all of human history, which I agree with lol.
We're losing the most prosperous and successful civilization in all of human history, to the dumbest cult ideology in all of human history lmao...
I would gladly sacrifice porn, of all things, to reclaim it.
But whatever, to each their own.
@@bewawolf19I don't necessarily agree with either of them on everything, but I do think both of them are earnest and sincere.
Even Connor, who seems more disagreeable, a lot of that is just because his brain moves a mile a minute, he's reasoned out his beliefs, he understands his value judgements, and puts them forth unapologetically.
If you understand his reasoning and can keep up with him, while he may be disagreeable, he's never in bad faith, just passionate.
Which does sometimes lead him to frame things bombastically or caustically, but I do the same and take great humor in it, so i don't mind. Even if i disagree with him. :p
That issue for example, he's framing it in terms of taking full responsibility for your beliefs/actions, and the conditions that enable your choices.
If you are in favor of thing A that results in a bad thing B, that doesn't mean you're in favor of B, no one is saying you actively _want_ a bad thing to happen.
but if there is alternative C that does not result in bad thing B, and you still choose A, logically that _does_ mean you value being able to choose A more than you value B _not_ happening.
And he knows that would be a logical leap to presume that.
If I recall correctly, he framed it in that bombastic way first, but then modified it by following with "or you are at least okay with it happening."
or something to that effect.
Well... I've been avoiding lotus eaters every single time youtube tosses them at me. Mistakes were made... will correct.
Same. Mistakes were made. I will also adjust and correct my viewing goals. 😂
Why did you resist it in the first place though?
I think it was earned. I haven't seen lotus eaters in a long while, but for the long time it was them just commenting on the most ragebait topics and smugly chuckling among themselves "those stupid soyboy lefties, am i right guys?". Here, Tim pushing back on their ideas actually makes them explain their position.
You’re better off going to their website, they have to censor certain things on youtube
Or Rumble!
This is a rare quality on the internet.
While Tim is mostly framing things in the context of criminals, something to keep in mind is that you can’t get a man to storm a beach head with artillery and machine gun fire raining upon him with hate of what’s in front of him. He only can build the moral fortitude to do so with love of what’s behind him, the family he defends, the brothers he reinforces, the country that sustains him.
Yeah and conscription......
Interesting tidbit. One of the most disproportionate groups represented in Victoria Cross winners (as in people who are the most brave soldiers we have) are young men who had to take care of family back home. They had an instinct to protect and care for family that was transferred to their fellow soldiers and so would act with supreme bravery.
There's some hate there too, though. Read or talk to someone who's seen combat and you'll be surprised at what they think of the people on the other side of the fight.
You sure bout that?
@@RealRoknRollr3108 Yes. 🗿
I love when Carl & Tim get together. Always incredible conversations.
The Culture War has quickly become my favorite thing Tenet Media puts out and that Timcast is a part of. Great topics, great guests, awesome conversations.
I usually save culture war for Saturday which is kind of a podcast dead zone but I couldn't wait to catch this particular episode. Well done.
@@teemoney9443 I'm not a daily listener to Timcast but my husband is and I'll catch-up on "need to hear" episodes on Saturday, this week I'll definitely be listening to last night's (07/11/2024) tomorrow. I have been really liking Inverted World too with Shane Cashman. It has been the start to the week for me the last few weeks.
Matt Christiansen is yhe Tenant staple for me
@@beishtkione24 I'll look into him, thank.
Haven't tuned in months but had to Carl. Hes a legend in the anti woke space
You think Connor is based, but he's actually more based than you think possible.
Cheers Carl and Connor. Wish we could assist you across the pond. As an American it pains me to see whats happening in the UK. Its like watching our Grandfather get beat and not being able to jump in. Pari Passu, Para Bellum.
Do you mean 'si vis pacem, para bellum'?.
@@17crescentGuess it depends on his intentions, he might be making a different point.
Worry about US lmao, your country is cooked
You guys can definitely help and many are.
Follow some of the Payriotic channels, be a Lotus Eaters member, as we Brits do with Americans and Aussies.
And give ideas in how to make or aquire arms for freedom. As Americans did 90 years ago. It could get to a point where it's our only hope.
Thanks brothers. 💙
@exxeter9721 Fair point, but nowhere near as cooked as the Motherland.
These two guys are the most British thing I have experienced all week.
yeah, and I live here
Watch the Jolly Heretic.
This was the best ever episode of 'The Culture War'. Cheers boys.
End of liberals, It’s just moderates and communists
Libertarians vs communists.
@@jessesimmons4503 Libertarianism is meaningless. We need full control of the government.
@@jessesimmons4503 "My way is righteous" will always trump the "just leave me alone" crowd.
I agree with Carl on flogging.
Fckn hell, the only way this discussion could improve is Thomas Sowell and Victor Davis Hansen in the mix. Truly amazing!
Sowell would have shut up these philosophers with logic, though.
Agreed
I’ve been watching Sargon since the Kathy Neumann interview. Glad he’s gotten more professional and is doing what he can to actually change politics for the better
I've been watching Sargon since he showed a video explaining the progressive stack and showing the college students intentionally deciding who could speak based on their identity. Prob 2013 or 14 what a fcking ride.
@@FlawlessP401 who woulda thought we would end up here
Been watching since Kekistan. Hell of a ride indeed.
I don't even remember the first video I saw. Linked from thunderfoot back then
2016 here. Still remember his shitpost gamer attitude.
I could tell from the outset that this would be a great episode.
Lotus Eaters has so many smart, well read, well researched, insightful speakers... Timcast has Ian and Lydia.
Lydia hasn't been there for a long while. But point taken.
Carl & Connor did great! Thanks!
Honestly my favorite conversation in a while. Very interesting
Love the open discussion format versus a debate. Good talk, thank you!
Interesting discussion until Tim reduced it to yet another discussion about superheroes, so he could dominate it - clearly unaware that Connor is actually the real alpha nerd in the room.
Perfect summary
You gunna challenge a dude like that to comic lore? Fools errand. Wouldnt even roll on that one.
@@jameswallace4794 Tim wouldn't have brought it up if he knew Connors comic knowledge
Always several M(she)U references
Almost every discussion in this age cohort is either about superheroes or becomes about superheroes. My generation quoted Shakespeare and the Bible and Mill to each other. This cohort refers to the words spoken by ... action figures ... plastic figures, flickering pixels, speaking dialogue written by teenagers ...
Hmmm ... What can we possibly learn or draw from this observation?
This is genuinely one of the best, possibly the best, pieces of content you have ever released.
Carl, I love the suit. Button the collar though! Long live three-piece suits!
Nah. People can wear suits and be a bit of a rebel at the same time :D
#CasualSuitFashion 👌
That's an Oxford collar. I know what you mean, but it has a touch of 'dark academia' to it, which I approve of.
Really cool to see someone like Philip having a discussion with Carl and Connor. These are the kinds of videos that the world needs to see right now. Amazing segment.
In primitive societies, running someone out of town WAS a death sentence. Few such deadly interstices exist between complex societies today. Interestingly, Socrates chose death rather than ostracism imposed on him. This was a powerful statement precisely because of the practice of ostracism in classical Greek society. He was saying I'd rather physically die, than to be separated from my spiritual life in the community of men.
Don't forget the ketchup packets with my fries
I think the likelihood of death was pretty high, but there are many examples of people not dying from exile, usually because they simply found a way to start over somewhere else far away. I can't remember names off the top of my head, but at certain points in Christian history, there were good Christians and heretics alike who would be exiled and eventually found their way back into historical recognition. The punishment was being cut off from the psychological life blood of your community with the likelihood of physical death in the wilderness, not the guarantee of death and never finding somewhere else to call home. It's both an extremely harsh judgment that maintains a possibility of mercy for the strong and resilient.
@@Tyler_W I was going to mention this in the Bible when Jesus visits the people "outside the gates of the city" it's talking about criminal exiles not wildings and frontiersmen but exiles.
Exile cities would set up outside of grand cities usually shanty towns and they would be first to get conscripted into regional wars.
Where do you think all the bandit camps come from in video games? Haha
Really though, modern people have trouble understanding that exile was death or joining an exile community where you lived in materially and spiritually rough spaces.
Greek society wasn’t primitive. Primitive means going back to hunter gatherer and prehistory. Antiquity wasn’t primitive at all. People were settled in cities
I generally only half listen to Tim Pool shows, background noise while I work. I found this episode super interesting and listened to every word.
same
Easily the best episode you have done. This should be required watching for anyone interested in this topic.
The safety net of the State has moved from underneath us, to above us.
Always was. The idea you can impose a floor without also imposing a ceiling is fanciful. The state does not protect, it regulates. And regulation, by definition, brings things towards a standard mean.
I didn't want this one to end. Such a fun conversation!
I LOVE Phil and Carl hashing it out. It's an education. They respect and admire each other very much.
Who remembers when Carl proudly proclaimed he was a classical liberal.
Taking the red pill will inevitable turn a person to the right.
Red pill is just Islamic fundamentalism without the worship of the pedo caravan robber (peace be upon you O prophet)
It's after understanding it doesn't mean what one think it means
Classical liberals are on the right today. SMH.
Is he not still a classical liberal though 😂? Last I remembered he does not want an absolute monarch back.
@@Bahamut998I think he’d take an absolute monarch over a Labour government
I love watching Phil squirm over this one. God damn Libertarians.
😂🤣😂
Those other guys sound smart but he is very wrong about freedom. Freedom produced most of societies innovations. Freedom does not only lead to negatives, that's ridiculous English babble.
I think he did a great job trying to grapple with the ideas and see where they were coming from.
@@puertogreekn8675I think you’re getting mixed up with negative and positive rights. Which the idea of freedom comes from in society.
It is entirely unfair to say he is squirming when he is trying to understand their position and has not spent hours and hours reading philosophy.
I agree with phil. Though not because I am a modern illiberal but because i value classical liberalism which sets out that in nature man has natural rights however what is missing from the context is that you only have a right to that which you can defend. If you can't protect or defend it it is not yours.
1:50:20 Thanks for the shout out, Carl!
Ah, there you are. Subscribed!
What an amazing conversation - getting a sub from me! Carl 's journey has been something to behold. Very analogous to my own.
"They had handed out that it is evil to be a Patriot, White, American, Religious and to be able to hold down a job...That there had ended any to all discussions, Period!"
-- Tripwire
The Culture War won its redemption arc with this episode 100%
Yes, Phil.....THANK YOU!!!! KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH!!!
Awesome conversation. Love hearing an intelligent group of respectful gentleman have a philosophical conversation.
Carl and Connor looking sharp! 👌
This was a great discussion. I liked the guests and the 'debate' was great.
Such a good Friday! 2 hrs on IRL and 3 hrs on tenet. 5 hrs of good conversation
It can almost guarantee, any person that claims life would be better if we just lived in nature, free from society, hasn't spent time any time in nature.
I have coworkers who talk about how great it'd be and how they'd never have to work again 🙄
They mistake rural or small living for living in nature. They are not thinking I'll be alone in the woods. They are thinking of it like camping or those desert communities.
They are very different situations. Main difference is the people in desert communities and camping...have lived in society and have society around them.
@@RisingUnderdog It turns out not working is a lot of hard work.
Phenomenal discussion! Guests were spectacular.
This actually changed my opinion.
This didn't for me. They sort of dodged the question, or more accurately, phil never asked them, if not liberalism, which root did judging people by objective reality, and applying it with a cadence of judeo christian principles come from. If you don't want to call it Liberalism, what would you call it?
@@sirellyn Arguably the first layer is a closely-knit network of allied people that is tribal, familial, sentimental, and communal, as Carl was describing. The second layer is a set of shared spirituality, morality, rules, norms, and cultural traditions that stratifies and binds the first layer together and provides it with a sense of direction and aspiration (who are we, what should we do, what is good, how should we relate to our fellow man). Liberalism is the child of wasp societies, and was articulated by thinkers and philosophers who hailed from those societies and a few neighboring societies with significant overlap. The societies that birthed Liberalism already believed it and acted it out socially long before it was formalized. The American revolutionaries successfully exported it from England because they were predominantly Englishmen themselves and thus inherited it organically.
In modern times, after centuries of cultural assault on the underlying structure of the first two layers, the third layer of Liberalism breaks down and ceases to function as intended. The people themselves don't believe it or live it out in their daily lives. It has been reduced to a few old scraps of parchment written by people we have nothing in common with centuries ago who would have regarded us and our societies as crazy, radical, degenerate aliens. If you (as I do) fancy the best parts of Liberalism, then you must secure the first two layers and protect them from assault by those who hate all 3 layers.
To claim that the elderly lost value because they could not perform labour in the ancient times isto not understand humanity. The elderly, when they could no longer "work" became the story tellers, the passers on of morals, teachers of empathy, caring and in fact the teachers in general.
And they assisted the "nuclear families" formed by their children, nieces, and nephews with proper, healthy child rearing, offering to care for their grandchildren while their kids take a break, get some sleep, etc. When their kids run into new challenges in parenting, they can touch base with their elderly parents who can act as wise, experienced advisors, passing down the fundamentals of parenthood that they inherited from their ancestors, so that when they are gone, their kids will be capable of doing the same.
Not all elderly do so today so why asume they all did then?
Thoroughly valuable conversation, thanks for sharing it very grateful 🍻
Finally someone who is unapologetically, rationally expressing why flogging ought to be a part of the legal punishment system!
I'm giving this comment about 20% odds of not being censored by YT.
Sargon was the first channel that I subscribed to on yt. This was back in 2015. His research, readings, and persecution are what brought me from a veteran rino genxer to a politically educated conservative libertarian. This was a great episode, Carl and Tim. It took forever to finally happen! 🐸🇺🇸
The idea that we can eliminate evil from the entirety of man is a fools errand. You will always have to defend against violence, either from the citizenry or a tyrannical state
Christian Nationalists are always chasing the dragon
An amazing podcast and meeting of minds. Carl is the man
only 15 mins in and I think this is the best culture war episode so far (that I have seen)
Phil's issue is that he basically needs to throw out any and all information he's received from James Lindsay re liberalism, philosophy, hermeticism, etc. It's contaminated by a delusional liar.
These are some of the most intelligent men I have heard speaking in a very long time.
if you like this line of thought i recommend channels :
The distributist
The prudentialist
Old glory club
J Burden
Alex Kushuda (prob spelt that wrong)
Dark enlightenment
Ed Dutton
Auron Mcintyre
Pete Quinones
Academic agent
Morgoths review
Millennial woes
Scrump and Evelyn
probably loads i've forgotten
Brilliant guests! 👏🏼
GREAT CONVERSATION ! ! !
one of the best episodes yet...
More like this please...
Please do more of these, it feels like we just finished Fellowship of the Ring. I want the other 2.
"[Social contract theories] are the views of childless men who must've forgotten their childhood." Bertrand de Jouvenel
Exile to the Sea. i've been advocating for this for years.
Shout out to Phil for being an honest guy who can put his ego aside
I'm impressed by how civil and intelligent this conversation is. Gives you a lot to think about
I loved this entire discussion!
I work at a small town bbq restaurant in North Carolina, I asked a fellow employee "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?" They replied "I don't know"
I still don't get this question.
@GarthKlaus it's just an extreme example of a hypothetical meant to demonstrate the point that some people are literally incapable of engaging in hypotheticals because they have such low iqs.
That's such a stupid question 😂
@@GarthKlausthe question is a test, and also an assertion that the other person is stupid.
If you were to ask someone "how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?" and they reply with "I don't know" or "But I did," then the assertion behind the question is that they are not smart enough to generate hypotheticals.
@@GarthKlaus There's an offensive article called "Morality and Abstract Thinking: How Africans May Differ From Westerners" that may explain this further
Time to reject Tolerance.
I think there’s a clear difference between Tolerance & Incompetence.
Based also reject equality
Great episode!
Didn't catch it live but damn, gonna enjoy this one.
illegal dilemma:
“Build them a "F" golden bridge for them to retreat over.”
-- Sun Tzu
One of the best conversations on CZcams
Black Panther was a cringing out of touched movie. They put a reference that no new generation will remember. “ what are those?”
Wasn't that a freaking Vine anyhow? It was a dead meme when they first wrote it! 🙄🙄🤦🏼♂️🙇🏼♂️
@@MeanBeanComedy yes it was.
I remember the biggest problem with black panther. “Vibrant and the technology made from it.”
I think black panther is interesting because the villains position is basically the blm position
Speaking of superheroes, I recall a two part episode of Superman The Animated series. The main bad guy was Darkseid. His planet is basically a living he ll. He has an army of parademons and hosts of slaves who get whipped if they work too slow.
Superman defends Earth and now takes the battle to Darkseid on his own world. Darkseid gets beaten and is lying on the ground because of the wounds he sustained from Superman. Superman now declares freedom and calls for the slaves to run free.
The slaves are confused. Not knowing freedom, the slaves pick up Darkseid 's limp form and attend to their master. Superman scratching his head is confused. Superman grew up in America. A culture based on freedom.
The culture from Darkseid's world is based on tyranny. It's all they know. And when America fights tyranny in Iraq and declares freedom to its people, we are ignorantly overstepping to a culture that likely did not feel they needed saving.
The writers to this Superman series were brilliant. I think it's a lesson we can all learn from. Especially our own politicians in government. -OG
Iraq replaced sunni tyranny with shia tyranny.
That was one of the best episodes.
@@teemoney9443 Agreed! 👍 -OG
Equality does not fight liberty .Unless you mean equality of outcome .Thats where we get into problems.
High level discussion right here - I could listen all day. 👌
Really, really, really, really great episode.
Thank you for the collab, boys
More of this please.
Hell yeah, this is exactly what I’m looking for
What a great conversation! I found myself agreeing with all of them on different points. Well done, gentlemen. 😉👍
This was a fantastic interview, I absolutely love it.
I’m an Aussie, outsider perspective. The UK CZcams politics knowledge is worlds ahead of Americans
Such a great episode!
"The first time Batman killed someone was *in his very first appearance* in Detective Comics #27, published in 1939." says PerplexityAI
Seems like his "no-kill" rule was a more modern invention.
You can blame conservative pearl clutching about children and violence same as the violence in video games argument. Then they created the comics code to avoid the backlash and Batman cucked out and became a statist who will always take joker back to the prison of the corrupt state. A prison that he always gets out of to kill hundreds of people again. Oh and by the way the canon reason these villains don't get the death penalty is the state keeps them around as a weapon against the heroes because they fear being overthrown by suoerhumans. Gotham is also in new Jersey and they banned the death penalty.
@@wingsoffreedom3589 And yet the city doesn't require Batman to put joker in the electric chair and throw the switch. Aside the benefit of having Joker repeatedly in the story I'm not sure why some people feel the onus is on the hero and not the society. It isn't Batman's job to kill the Joker. I'd be way more pissed off at the Gotham not having the death penalty than the fact Batman refuses to become an executioner.
"In 248 years, I envision America as a beacon of liberty and justice, where democracy thrives, and every citizen enjoys equal opportunities in a land of prosperity." - Thomas Jefferson
Tim didn't completely ruin it! Cheers! 🍻
Any chance we can make this a weekly show? What a great conversation.
Agreed. Best episode ever.
That would be amazing but these guys live very far away.
What's funny is this is literally a far right conversation it's so far right it's no longer left vs right on the Overton window of liberal philosophy it throws the whole thing out to build something new without the oppression of the over ton window. This is what I call the good kind of extremism.
No child understands anything purely through observation, they must be instructed in a narrative
This is so true. They can interpret things many way so they need explicit commentart/instructions
Exactly, all information is theory laden, there's no such thing as self evident truths.
You don't have kids I'm guessing? They watch and copy almost immediately lol
@@dmsteele92831 That's literally the point. Monkey see, monkey do isn't "understanding." A more developed framework is Girard's mimetic desire.
So a musician, a gamer, a skater, and Connor (who despite being the youngest ironically has a legit origin story for this sort of thing), have a deeper and more erudite conversation on the history and philosophy of the core of our political system than most academic discourse. Nice.
The worst thing about absolute freedom alone in the woods, and it's probably killed more people than anything else throughout history, is them pesky mosquitoes.
Great idea for a show tim. Great guests also. I hope you keep on truckin brother
Very interesting arguments here. A specification to non British: when Carl said "Asian grandmother" he means someone from the Indian subcontinent. It is not the "Asian" of the rest of the world, that would be "Oriental" in the UK.
1:26:17 Carl’s entire argument here really hit home for me.
I’ve been struggling with addiction that has alienated me from my family and friends in a lot of ways. I’ve been trying to understand why, and ultimately it’s because I’ve changed for the worst.
Thank you guys for what you do. I’m going to try and live in accordance to the traditional principles that made my family and childhood so great.
What a fool I was to forsake them.
😄 Tim trying to use DC heroes against Connor "I am working on a complete DC timeline" Tomlinson looked like a child taking a swing on an adult 😄
Great show.
Once again Tim just makes it all about himself halfway through and derails..
great show. Carl is brilliant
Tim, don't be soft on the death penalty. When there is video footage, an eye for an eye. This episode is phenomenal, brilliant, and so informative. Thank you
I’m sorry, but I hate the “just stop the threat” narrative. That person is the threat and they will be a threat until they no longer inhabit this plane.
Agree to disagree with that. I think that it really depends on the situation.
@@inteqtipz6291 on paper, that’s true, but in reality it leaves you wondering if there will be payback from the person you defended yourself from. Shouldn’t have to gamble or wonder. They messed up and presented the threat.
@@shanejarry1978 not saying that your opinion is wrong, but i think it falls into that morally grey area. I think it comes back to individual’s morals vs Law argument.
@@inteqtipz6291 I think the best way to frame this debate is that there is a virtue in immediate, severe, and uncompromising retribution at even the slightest hint of malfeasance: finality. It ensures that the threat is thoroughly dealt with. But there is also an injustice involved, namely disproportionality. The question is how to balance these two realities, do we allow the injustice of protracted thread, or the injustice of disproportionate punishment?
@@insearchofprometheus hmm 🤔 definitely something to think about
I would recommend everyone read Aristotle.
Especially his book "Politics". It's not very long and is simply written because the man wanted to be understood and has no need for pretentiousness like his predecessors and colleagues, and gives you a very clear foundation from which to understand governmental forms, how to keep them, how to get rid of them, and thus see clearly what's going on right now. Because it's same as 2300 years ago. Then work from there.
It's also not very long.
Worth to take notes and share with your friends and pass down to your children.
Do not remain philosophically illiterate.
Is it very long?
25:00 As an adult for whom kids just weren't in the cards... I love seeing/hearing kids at play.