Appreciate the commentary, gentlemen! Mauhur and the boys will go back on the bench. Will have to look into picking up some Crebain and playing around with Grima/zerker swap. Cheers!
I ran a list similar to Ian's list at 700pts - the biggest benefit to taking Berserkers is to engage Terror. I ran Mauhur with 6 Marauders as my fast troops (no Warg Riders) because they're fast and don't test for breaking as soon, travel through woods better, and wrap flanks quickly. I made the points for Grima by not taking Warg Riders and relying on Uruk-Hai bows instead of crossbows . . .
Great podcast again guys, I’m really enjoying the series especially for armies I don’t usually play with or against. Following the recent preorders and upcoming MTO I’m considering starting an angmar army. No particular lore theme but I want it to play differently to a typical army and focus on the varying debuffs available. Also no Gulavhar as he’s not available but happy to consider a shade as it should be easy to convert. Here’s the 650 list I’ve made up: Witch King (leader) 3/15/3 crown + horse 2 orcs w/ shield 2 orcs w/ spear 1 orc 2handed 1 orc w/ bow 1 warg rider shield + throwing spear 1 cave troll, troll chain + hammer 2 wild wargs 1 orc captain w/ shield + warg 2 orcs w/ shield 2 orcs w/ spear 1 orc 2 handed 1 orc w/ bow 1 warg rider throwing spear + shield 1 wild warg 1 spectre Then 2 of the following identical warbands: Barrow-wight 2 orcs w/ shield 2 orcs w/ spear 1 orc 2 handed 1 orc w/ bow 1 wild warg 1 spectre 39 models. 4 bows 5 might My initial thoughts are to find a few more points to replace the cave troll with either a shade or burhdur. Warg riders and wild wargs are there for mobility in addition to the captains march. Then with plenty of spirit heroes to take advantage of the army bonus. Then relying on the spectres and magic from the WK and wights to neutralise enemy heavy hitters and the captain on warg can take out troops and the cave troll some average lvl heroes and tougher ones when transfixed/paralysed. Thanks
Thanks for doing these podcasts, I am new to the game and learn so much from listening. I put together an 800 point Mordor list insipired by a list you guys reviewed in a previous episode and wanted to hear your thoughts on it: Warband 1 - 16 Warriors Leader: Witch King - 3M 14W 2F -Crown of Morgul -Armored Fell Beast 8 Mordor Orcs w/Shield 7 Mordor Orcs w/Spear 1 Mordor Orc w/Banner Warband 2 - 12 Warriors Goroth Captain of the Morannon 6 Mordor Orcs w/Shield 5 Mordor Orcs w/Spear Mordor Orc Drummer Warband 3 - 12 Warriors Kardush the Firecaller 4 Orc Trackers 4 Orc Warriors w/Shield 4 Orc Warriors w/Spear Warband 4 - 2 Warriors Mordor Troll Chieftain 2 Warg riders with throwing spears and shield Totals Models: 46 Might: 9 Has Banner and Drum. I wanted the list to be designed around letting my heros do the killing with plenty of orcs around to support them by tying up enemy troops. I also wanted to take advantage of the ability to sacrifice cheap orcs with Kardush and Goroth and use Kardush to supply the WK if I start to run low on will. Witch King needs no explanation, Harbinger of Evil, great caster, 4 attacks with monstrous charge on Fell Beast. Goroth has the drummer and will be used to pile in with his orcs and cut through enemy troops using his S5 with +1 to wound which allows him to take down even D7 enemy troops on a 4+. Another bonus with bringing him is if he is ever the target in one of the assassination scenarios he can sacrifice his orcs to stay alive on a +2 each time. Kardush brings fury to mitigate the orcs courage issues and can cast pretty much at will with his special rule. Troll Chieftain is here to bring some real hero killing power outside of the WK himself. I am concerned about the lack of mobility in this list but I am counting on numbers and the WK on Fell beast to be enough to deal with this. Please let me know what you think and if you would make any changes.
I think mobility is fine given the drummer. The issue will be the chieftain, who is powerful, but slow. Have you considered a Great Beast for this list? He could replace the chieftain, give you another 10 models, and some mobile shooting. You could put the wargs in the WKs WB, and drop a couple of trackers to make up the points. Kardush can kill the great beast archers to get will hen needed.
If you're willing to give my list a review I'd appreciate it. The only real requirement is that the list is Umbar/Serpent Horde combined into one list. 800pts, mixed Umbar/Harad green allies Warband 1 253 Suladan+Armoured Horse 115 9 Harad Archers 63 2 Serpent Rider 26 7 Harad Warrior+Spear 49 Warband 2 245 Dalamyr 90 (general) 4 Arbalest 40 11 Corsairs+Shield 88 3 Black Numenoreans 27 Warband 3 159 Corsair Captain+shield 55 4 Arbalest 40 8 Corsairs+shield 64 Warband 4 143 Corsair Bo’sun+Shield 50 3 Arbalest 30 4 Reavers 36 3 Black Numenoreans 27 8 Might, 58 warriors, 4 heroes, 9 poisoned archers (9/18 warriors due to 1/2 allowance), 11 crossbows (11 out of 40 due to 1/3 allowance) 1/2: 32 dead 1/4: 47 dead
What do you think of this fun army list I made for a 700 points TTS game against my brother? Probably not very competitive, but it will be a fun game. Warband 1 (Leader) Witch King - 3/20/3; Fellbeast, Crown 2 Mordor Orcs - Shield 2 Mordor Orcs - Spear, Shield 3 Mordor Orcs - Spear Warband 2 Kardush 4 Mordor Orcs - Spear, Shield 2 Mordor Orcs - Shield Warband 3 Great Beast of Gorgoroth Warband 4 Great Beast of Gorgoroth
I guess I’ll try to see if I’ve been really listening to you and learning. I have been collecting and painting since the inception in 2002. First army on the table in 15 years... hope I listened...
Lothlorien (green ally with Rivendell) 800pt list Warband 1 Celeborn with armor, sword, shield Galadhrim standard bearer 6x Galadhrim with sword and shield 4x Galadhrim with bow and spear 3x Galadhrim court guard Warband 2 Haldir with heavy armor and bow 5x Galadhrim with sword and shield 4x Galadhrim with bow and spear 3x Galadhrim court guard Warband 3 Gildor Inglorian 3x Noldor exiles with bow Warband 4 Orophin (Galadhrim captain) on horse with sword and shield 3x Galadhrim knights with shield 800 points. 36 models. 11 bows (plus Haldir). The goal here is a “come and get me” with two bigger phalanxes and 2 static flanking forces that can move fast for hit and run or objective capturing. Gildor is kinda squishy but is intended to move and distract and can maybe immobilize a wandering hero or small band. Knights are for same purpose but mostly move, distract, and possibly capture. I have watched your Lothlorien podcast over 10 times (no joke) and tried to do my best. Haldir can be exchanged for Rumil without a hitch if you guys think he’d be more affective in this configuration. Thanks for all the entertainment and god bless Matt for all his help... hopefully this student will do well in my upcoming 800pt random matches ply scenario tourney.
Usually you give alfrids might to one of the Girls. They have 0 might and alfrid does not "steal" the might- he gets a might even if he rolls a 1 and the Target has no might. Girls call the heroic movement then.... this sucker Alfrid lost me the final of the german championship in 2019, because of getting darted in moonlight.....
I like that idea, although that's assuming you'll want the Might on girls more than on someone who goes into combat. Moonlight suuuuuuucks for this army :D
On a similar note, Gil-Galad feels excluded from your discussion of Bilbo Striking to F5 (and even more so because he has an Elven-made weapon for a 50/50 roll-off, while Sauron and the Balrog are rolling off at a disadvantage).
Appreciate the commentary, gentlemen! Mauhur and the boys will go back on the bench. Will have to look into picking up some Crebain and playing around with Grima/zerker swap. Cheers!
I ran a list similar to Ian's list at 700pts - the biggest benefit to taking Berserkers is to engage Terror. I ran Mauhur with 6 Marauders as my fast troops (no Warg Riders) because they're fast and don't test for breaking as soon, travel through woods better, and wrap flanks quickly. I made the points for Grima by not taking Warg Riders and relying on Uruk-Hai bows instead of crossbows . . .
Great podcast again guys, I’m really enjoying the series especially for armies I don’t usually play with or against.
Following the recent preorders and upcoming MTO I’m considering starting an angmar army. No particular lore theme but I want it to play differently to a typical army and focus on the varying debuffs available. Also no Gulavhar as he’s not available but happy to consider a shade as it should be easy to convert.
Here’s the 650 list I’ve made up:
Witch King (leader) 3/15/3 crown + horse
2 orcs w/ shield
2 orcs w/ spear
1 orc 2handed
1 orc w/ bow
1 warg rider shield + throwing spear
1 cave troll, troll chain + hammer
2 wild wargs
1 orc captain w/ shield + warg
2 orcs w/ shield
2 orcs w/ spear
1 orc 2 handed
1 orc w/ bow
1 warg rider throwing spear + shield
1 wild warg
1 spectre
Then 2 of the following identical warbands:
Barrow-wight
2 orcs w/ shield
2 orcs w/ spear
1 orc 2 handed
1 orc w/ bow
1 wild warg
1 spectre
39 models. 4 bows 5 might
My initial thoughts are to find a few more points to replace the cave troll with either a shade or burhdur.
Warg riders and wild wargs are there for mobility in addition to the captains march. Then with plenty of spirit heroes to take advantage of the army bonus. Then relying on the spectres and magic from the WK and wights to neutralise enemy heavy hitters and the captain on warg can take out troops and the cave troll some average lvl heroes and tougher ones when transfixed/paralysed.
Thanks
Minor note: Thorin, KUTM can't shield if he loses his goat and is surrounded - of course, he's still D8, so maybe it doesn't matter?
Thanks for doing these podcasts, I am new to the game and learn so much from listening.
I put together an 800 point Mordor list insipired by a list you guys reviewed in a previous episode and wanted to hear your thoughts on it:
Warband 1 - 16 Warriors
Leader: Witch King - 3M 14W 2F
-Crown of Morgul
-Armored Fell Beast
8 Mordor Orcs w/Shield
7 Mordor Orcs w/Spear
1 Mordor Orc w/Banner
Warband 2 - 12 Warriors
Goroth Captain of the Morannon
6 Mordor Orcs w/Shield
5 Mordor Orcs w/Spear
Mordor Orc Drummer
Warband 3 - 12 Warriors
Kardush the Firecaller
4 Orc Trackers
4 Orc Warriors w/Shield
4 Orc Warriors w/Spear
Warband 4 - 2 Warriors
Mordor Troll Chieftain
2 Warg riders with throwing spears and shield
Totals
Models: 46
Might: 9
Has Banner and Drum.
I wanted the list to be designed around letting my heros do the killing with plenty of orcs around to support them by tying up enemy troops. I also wanted to take advantage of the ability to sacrifice cheap orcs with Kardush and Goroth and use Kardush to supply the WK if I start to run low on will.
Witch King needs no explanation, Harbinger of Evil, great caster, 4 attacks with monstrous charge on Fell Beast.
Goroth has the drummer and will be used to pile in with his orcs and cut through enemy troops using his S5 with +1 to wound which allows him to take down even D7 enemy troops on a 4+. Another bonus with bringing him is if he is ever the target in one of the assassination scenarios he can sacrifice his orcs to stay alive on a +2 each time.
Kardush brings fury to mitigate the orcs courage issues and can cast pretty much at will with his special rule.
Troll Chieftain is here to bring some real hero killing power outside of the WK himself.
I am concerned about the lack of mobility in this list but I am counting on numbers and the WK on Fell beast to be enough to deal with this. Please let me know what you think and if you would make any changes.
I think mobility is fine given the drummer. The issue will be the chieftain, who is powerful, but slow. Have you considered a Great Beast for this list? He could replace the chieftain, give you another 10 models, and some mobile shooting. You could put the wargs in the WKs WB, and drop a couple of trackers to make up the points. Kardush can kill the great beast archers to get will hen needed.
@@jenniferiverson918 thats a good point, I didn't consider that the troll chieftan doesn't move with the drum
Hey, guys. Love the videos. Been watching for a while and have enjoyed all the content. Just started a Moria army and was wondering what you guys thought of the 750pt list below. I wanted to avoid using the Balrog and explore the other monster options as well as the goblin synergy with Durburz, Groblog and the Shaman.
Moria [50 Warriors, 750 Points, 16 Bow]
Warband 1: [15 Warriors, 215 Points, 11 Bow]
Durbûrz, The Goblin King of Moria [70 Points, Leader of Valour]
Wargear: Heavy Armour, Sword
Dweller in the Dark [1 Warriors, 75 Points]
Wargear: Claws and Teeth, Warrior: Dweller in the Dark
Moria Goblin Warrior [11 Warriors, 55 Points, 11 Bow]
Moria Goblin Warrior (Sword and Shield) [3 Warriors, 15 Points]
Warband 2: [12 Warriors, 110 Points]
Grôblog [50 Points, Leader of Fortitude] Wargear: Armour, Mithril Crown, Sword
Moria Goblin Warrior {Sword and Shield} [6 Warriors, 30 Points]
Moria Goblin Warrior {Spear} [6 Warriors, 30 Points]
Warband 3: [12 Warriors, 100 Points, 5 Bow]
Moria Goblin Captain [40 Points, Leader of Fortitude] Wargear: Armour, Shield, Sword
Moria Goblin Warrior [5 Warriors, 25 Points, 5 Bow]
Moria Goblin Warrior (Sword and Shield) [4 Warriors, 20 Points]
Moria Goblin Warrior (Spear) [3 Warriors, 15 Points]
Warband 4: [5 Warriors, 245 Points]
Cave Drake [150 Points, Minor Hero] Wargear: Claws and Teeth
Cave Troll [1 Warriors, 75 Points] Shooting Weapon: Throw Stones, Wargear: Spear, Warrior: Cave Troll
Moria Goblin Warrior (Sword and Shield) [4 Warriors, 20 Points]
Warband 5: [6 Warriors, 80 Points]
Moria Blackshield Shaman [50 Points, Minor Hero] Magical Power: Shatter, Tremor, Wargear: Armour, Staff
Moria Goblin Warrior (Sword and Shield) [3 Warriors, 15 Points]
Moria Goblin Warrior (Spear) [3 Warriors, 15 Points]
If you're willing to give my list a review I'd appreciate it.
The only real requirement is that the list is Umbar/Serpent Horde combined into one list.
800pts, mixed Umbar/Harad green allies
Warband 1 253
Suladan+Armoured Horse 115
9 Harad Archers 63
2 Serpent Rider 26
7 Harad Warrior+Spear 49
Warband 2 245
Dalamyr 90 (general)
4 Arbalest 40
11 Corsairs+Shield 88
3 Black Numenoreans 27
Warband 3 159
Corsair Captain+shield 55
4 Arbalest 40
8 Corsairs+shield 64
Warband 4 143
Corsair Bo’sun+Shield 50
3 Arbalest 30
4 Reavers 36
3 Black Numenoreans 27
8 Might, 58 warriors, 4 heroes, 9 poisoned archers (9/18 warriors due to 1/2 allowance), 11 crossbows (11 out of 40 due to 1/3 allowance)
1/2: 32 dead
1/4: 47 dead
S tier army for sure.
What do you think of this fun army list I made for a 700 points TTS game against my brother?
Probably not very competitive, but it will be a fun game.
Warband 1 (Leader)
Witch King - 3/20/3; Fellbeast, Crown
2 Mordor Orcs - Shield
2 Mordor Orcs - Spear, Shield
3 Mordor Orcs - Spear
Warband 2
Kardush
4 Mordor Orcs - Spear, Shield
2 Mordor Orcs - Shield
Warband 3
Great Beast of Gorgoroth
Warband 4
Great Beast of Gorgoroth
hey can you make podcast about corasirs of umbar?
I'm sure we could :)
Did your website domain expire? I was just trying to get the ‘Gondor Calls for Aid!’ Pdf but the site looks like its down
I guess I’ll try to see if I’ve been really listening to you and learning. I have been collecting and painting since the inception in 2002. First army on the table in 15 years... hope I listened...
Lothlorien (green ally with Rivendell) 800pt list
Warband 1
Celeborn with armor, sword, shield
Galadhrim standard bearer
6x Galadhrim with sword and shield
4x Galadhrim with bow and spear
3x Galadhrim court guard
Warband 2
Haldir with heavy armor and bow
5x Galadhrim with sword and shield
4x Galadhrim with bow and spear
3x Galadhrim court guard
Warband 3
Gildor Inglorian
3x Noldor exiles with bow
Warband 4
Orophin (Galadhrim captain) on horse with sword and shield
3x Galadhrim knights with shield
800 points. 36 models. 11 bows (plus Haldir). The goal here is a “come and get me” with two bigger phalanxes and 2 static flanking forces that can move fast for hit and run or objective capturing. Gildor is kinda squishy but is intended to move and distract and can maybe immobilize a wandering hero or small band. Knights are for same purpose but mostly move, distract, and possibly capture. I have watched your Lothlorien podcast over 10 times (no joke) and tried to do my best. Haldir can be exchanged for Rumil without a hitch if you guys think he’d be more affective in this configuration.
Thanks for all the entertainment and god bless Matt for all his help... hopefully this student will do well in my upcoming 800pt random matches ply scenario tourney.
@@vulkan1013 Um . . . too many bows on your Noldorin Exiles (bow limit is by contingent), not enough bows on your Knights. :-)
I guess Shelob from the Cirith ungol LL also isn’t interested in eating women 😂
Usually you give alfrids might to one of the Girls. They have 0 might and alfrid does not "steal" the might- he gets a might even if he rolls a 1 and the Target has no might. Girls call the heroic movement then.... this sucker Alfrid lost me the final of the german championship in 2019, because of getting darted in moonlight.....
I like that idea, although that's assuming you'll want the Might on girls more than on someone who goes into combat. Moonlight suuuuuuucks for this army :D
On the topic of women: Frida Tallspear feels left out from your list . . .
On a similar note, Gil-Galad feels excluded from your discussion of Bilbo Striking to F5 (and even more so because he has an Elven-made weapon for a 50/50 roll-off, while Sauron and the Balrog are rolling off at a disadvantage).
I put my army list in the comment of my last comment.... I’m kind of a big dumb animal...