[TF2] Why Demo is Hated
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2021
- Some guy decides to go on a drawn out discussion and debate about the Demo, deliberating and deciding that Demo...is dreadfully dull to duel against.
Ten Thousand Subscribers, wowie zowie.
Thanks to everyone who can stand by for several minutes on the sideline while I complain and talk bad about their favourite classes.
In all seriousness, I do thank you guys, I admittedly never really cared about the views or subs but I take pride in knowing the people think I'm entertaining enough to educate them about some aspects of their favourite game either through items they didn't know about, gamemodes or the lore of it.
Maybe I'll do something special to celebrate the occasion?
Never really planned to get this big so fast, maybe a cliche QnA? or playing with viewers? A Patreon for people who want to be in the video who can't find a monkey?
Feel free to comment whatever
Cheers mates.
On unrelated notes, I couldn't really get into the mojo for writing this video, with other classes like Sniper or Spy or Dustbowl, the issues are so blatantly obvious and clear that it takes me little time to actually get to work, with Demo it's really just spam. Which like I said in the video, is a cop out answer to why people could hate him as a class or his bigger problems in the game.
Spam affects every class and it's always going to be effective and annoying so I really tried to dig deep when thinking about Demo, he's a perfectly fine and one of the more balanced classes with Soldier and is in no way OP or in need of a buff or nerf but there are a few annoyances.
Also Poopy Joe; Very easy to spot this time.
Thanks to Three Cubed for finding him last time... and killing me.
Leave a comment with your loadout and a timestamp telling me where Poopy Joe is to have your loadout in the next video...
Which should be either Why People Hate Engineer or How Much Are The Mercs Worth. - Hry
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Jesus Christ, just now realizing how laggy the video is here and there.
Storms have been affecting the internet here daily but while editing I never saw a drastic problem within the playback.
Whoops.
I just thought it was my bad internet don’t worry
It's fine, it makes the gameplay more accurate to most of us.
Zoinks
@@uhmwhat2895 lol
So wait for reeee upload?
What makes me a good viewer? If I were a bad viewer, I wouldn't be here discussing it with ya now would I?
one crossed recommendation, one wayward pinch of notifications, one errant CLICK, and KABLOOIE
@@theansweris9 what makes me a good internet troll? I WOULDENT BE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH YE IF I WERNT NOW WOULD I?
I-I don’t even know where to start with you. Do you even know what a scunt is?
@@theansweris9 perfect
What makes me a good viewer? If I were a bad viewer, I wouldn't be here-
Correction
The loch n’ load and direct hit have a higher projectile speed not firing speed
dissection
Infection
Protection
Selection
Defecation
From my experience although demo may be easy to spam with, he is much easier to kill than a sniper. Hitting pipes is not easy and pipe gods are rare and demo is really fragile in melee range. Demoknight is a bit tricky to kill but it depends on the player and weapons mostly.
Personally I always see a competent demo who can aim a good portion of their shots. Even if they miss, it's difficult running away from their pipes/stickies in time before being blown up. Also, demoknights are somewhat hard to stop, although this is of course depending on how good the demoknight is.
I just see them as free kills as a main scout
@@yo_tengo_una_boca6764 unless demo gets the first hit, it's usually better to get close rather than run away because they take serious self-damage from their own pipes and shooting stickies is way too awkward + detonation time. that's why scouts (and even pyros) can be such a hard counter to demo
@@attilathepun7983 esp pyros. Airblast is good.
@@attilathepun7983 Normally when I encounter demos, they're not within normal walking distance to me. Even then, their teammates usually aid the demo in killing me anyway so I probably wouldn't get far lol
The Scottish resistance: How Valve wants you to play
The Quickiebomb launcher: How Players actually play
No
@@cats3822 absolutelly yes
Scottish resistance is boring.
@@eeeguba432 nah the quickie is used for long range harassment
@@mattzr1550 thats part of the problem
3:39 That totally calculated crit grenade bounce off of friendly heavy into direct hit on enemy spy
"That's a joke lads" - Demo
11:55
"Or both?!"
*JARATE!*
13:51 omg you just unlocked a memory for when I first played, I think it was 2011 I was on 3rd map of dustbowl as offense and my first weapon drop was the ullapool caber, I switched to demo and tried to get the taunt kill achievement for the rest of the game not realizing that swing doesn't kill but the normal swing does
If you hear "This ever happen to you?", it'll be a good video
@brick layer gavin *how dare you*
My favorite class of Group Castle Secondary, the Explosive Male and his counterpart, the Exploswarrior.
Teamed alongside
Speedster
War Criminal
Arsonist
Fatso
Inventor
Medicine Man
Long Distance Shooter
Infiltrator
I am both impressed and hate this
people really underestimate how much game sense you need for great sticky placement lol.
Great vid as always
Yeah, that why I never bother with sticky. Just pipes for damage and shield change for secure kill or get away.
Step 1: Find a prop that doesnt have collision
Step 2: magic time
Step 1: Find enemy
Step 2: Press m1
Step 3: Press m2
The amount of game sense required to learn how to do this properly is laughably low
@@terrypennington2519 you're a fool
@@frenchynoob This comeback would have more bite if I didn't see it happening literally every single day on Dustbowl and Barnblitz wiping entire teams nonstop
The heaven part was hilarious
"Why Sniper is hated"
"Why Spy is hated"
"Why Pyro is hated"
"Why Demoman Is Hated"
"Why Heavy is hated"
"why Medic is hated"
"why scout is hated"
"Why soldier is hated"
"Why Engineer Gaming Is Hated"
"Why Civilian is hated"
"Why Team Fortress 2 is hated"
Oh also, you forgot Engie
and "Why Engineer is Gaming"
As a demo main it's really interesting to see these perspectives, I always feel like most of my fights are fair fights and I get rewarded for my skill, like, a scout rushes me and I double pipe him and he's just like "damn" in chat, since players acknowledge how hard pipes are to hit, although I must say when fighting a demo it can get really overwhelming to keep track of all his explosives, for example, you might be trying to dodge his pipes while there's a sticky trap right behind you and you might inevitably run into it, apart from that I don't think there's really that much to hate about demo (except demoknight, fuck demoknight)
Demoknight should be taken as a less dmg heavy with faster move speed and less range, with the targe you have 400 to 470 effective health for fire, but pyros can airblast meaning the only pyro to totally stop a Demoknight is degreeser panic attack.
As a demo (and medic main) I agree, the most interesting fights happen when I play demo
@@Boldcheesecake1029 pyro, heavy, and sentries (even minis) shut down demoknights
As a pyro main, pipes and stickies are way too soft to hear and forces a reliance on visual queues when fighting demos. It just feels a bit unfair in that regard, considering upping the firing sound volume would buff reaction speed for reflects by ~200ms, something that I rely on for reflecting rockets. With flame particles covering my screen too, stickies are just harder to see and not fun to fight against.
Up close, the game encourages pyros to wm1 demos because missing a reflect at close range (~10m) means getting hit with two pipes before the pyro can do anything, stuck on cooldown. And if the demoman somehow misses (which is hard to do cuz pipes are somewhat easy to hit up close), airblasting a demo away just means u have to chase him down again while he spams u out with stickies.
So unless I have a panic attack when I'm up close on a demo, the game encourages wm1 while dodging pipes and heavily punishes pyro's for missing their reflects, which imo isn't that fun.
@@Junya01 I mean yeah, you are kinda playing with fire by shooting pills at a pyro as he could reflect you at anytime so stickies are my preferred way to deal with them, but if you manage to get close enough to me to w+m1 me well... You got me there, there's not much I can do except try to hit you with pills which will likely make me kill myself with self damage or pull out my melee in desperation, but I mean it's fair, demo's weakness is supposed to be close quarters combat
By now every class is hated... except for medic unless we're talking battle medic.
idk man losing a fight because someone's over healed is pretty obnoxious
So TF2 is a bad game because all classes suck, it's the vibe that I am getting.
@@trashbeast I’ve rushed in like an idiot and actually managed to kill the medic
Lots of dumb pockets fail to actually defend the medic, and just love doing damage.
I really like the sfm illustrations of points that you make. The video also ended up being more of a class analysis of Demo which touched on why he's hated. This doesn't really match up with the title but it really is a pleasant surprise, as your analysis was great
The Scottish resistance is actually one of my favorites, it makes it less tempting to sticky spam and actually forces me to figure out how to aim pills
For this reason I love the sticky jumper
The quickiebomb has to be the most misunderstood and underused weapon. I'm happy someone finally pointed out it's better at range, not spam
dude your videos rock, keep going like that im sure that 1 day u will be a big youtuber.
4:00 Wow, a player wearing Stahlhelm. This is the man of high culture
I wear it for my first Soldier loadout. It's a nice helmet replacement.
@@corrinvondrachen1097 yeah, it's simple but charming
"Why Demo is Hated" - Guy who uses a Sniper avatar
lol'd
quit worshipping demos and demoknights, they are probably the worst in both casual and community servers besides bots because they just press left click and right click
@@user-uo8ny1kj4c thats what every class does
@@pacothemajestic sniper
@@user-uo8ny1kj4c oh no a class has variety and a good defense capability woe is me
he did make a video on sniper lmao
YOOOOO what's the song in the beginning during the pipe talk? So familiar!
@BradynLee09 bro wtf
F f fire - mother 3
@BradynLee09 caught in 4k
Oh it’s the funny hololive person
That's Miror B's theme from Pokemon Coliseum.
"1:22"
Vorobey: haha pistol go bang bang
wow, u found him
what's the deal with vorobey? why is he treated like some dm god? his dm skills are mediocre at best
@@overlord3481 who tf is treating him as a god, it's just a funny meme in his channel bc he used pistol a couple of times.
@@weaboo8141 "who tf is treating him like a god", you say that while furiously defending him in some random yt comment section.
@@overlord3481 you see yourself as an overlord, I don’t think you have the right to talk.
I'm glad you addressed the high amount in skill and effort needed for the GL. It's my favorite weapon for demo
GL?
@@syweb2 grenade launcher
@@dankbuster2181 Gatorade Lemon
15:05 poopy joe in the background on the base of the building next to the fence =)
Edit: The eyelander was supposed to be poopy joe's before demo, idk if that counts too lol
That would be the equalizer or escape plan.
Not the eyelander.
Scottish resistance is criminally underrated a PsyOp tool to force enemy players into avoiding specific areas or to stop them from advancing.
i once had a medic run at me like a lunatic because i was trapping the payload in badwater first right after the tunnel
he succeeded, one angry man
1 demo somehow dominated half the server just by spamming with the loose canon he spam it in a way if you touched it you will get instantly deleted so you just there waiting the spam to end cuz even with uber the knokback will never let you in
That isn't how that weapon works.
was it on dustbowl because if it was ttv.zancter that was me
My brother in christ loose cannon is the least hateable pipe launcher, it takes skill and precision the only grenade launchet that is annoying as all hell is the iron bomber
@@vyor8837 he was spamming it so it explode at the door so if you walked you will get double donked instantly
@@Zancter no it was at power house
the loch n load's damage bonus would be practically useless now that damage spread's gone. gun mettle really didn't do that much to it.
also, the eyelander and skullcutter don't have their downsides negated by the bootlegger. the eyelander's downside is canceled out, and the skullcutter's downside is somewhat compensated for. and they're still major downsides for full demoknights.
and one more thing, the loose cannon's projectiles are actually the slowest out of all the grenade launchers due to its massive projectile size.
also, fun fact, the stickybomb launcher and grenade launcher were originally swapped in the loadout menu, so the stickybomb launcher actually was demo's primary for a while.
p.s. 11:32 claymore
5:38
At 5 minutes and 38 seconds, on the right Donkey Kong's shoulders is Poopy Joe?
Yep
@@SpaceGuyOnline Engineer: Wild west waistcoat, Bill's hat, Cuban bristle crisis
Basic but looks nice!
Dang, i saw that but thought it was too obvious.
oh well, next time i guess
DAMNIT LOL maybe next time I'll get it!
Nah the Lock and Load being nerfed was a good thing. Pre-nerf demo was good at all ranges. Image getting being a sniper and get crossed map by 1 pill. Honestly if they wanted to keep the damage the same then they should have given it a damage drop off.
Video is great as usual! With every new video you get better and better. I’m very happy to see that you’ve found your own tf2 video series, it can be hard these days.
i love how this video feels like its made in the early days of tf2
The Scottish Resistance feels like what the devs wanted Demo to be.
the devs wanted demo to be a dual offense / defense class with the sticky launcher. if they didnt want him to spam it they would have removed it a long time ago
@@pathulhu200 I'm glad they didn't remove it cause it's fun as the Demo to absolutely slaughter a whole crowd of people with a full stickie clip.
They actually attempted to remove sticky spam in the Love and War update and it took demo from arguably one of the best classes to arguably one of the worst classes. They reverted the nerf and then replaced it with the version of stickies we currently have.
@@carbon8ed What was the nerf?
@@wataname8693 a significant damage penalty for the first 2 seconds after firing, I don't remember exact numbers
0:26 it wasn't even stickies in this case; Demo literally two-tapped two heavies.
cool but are we gonna talk about how there are 5 demos in just one death screen?
@@jakman8515 it's class wars.
Just wanted to say that your TF2 videos are really damn good SpaceGuy, keep up the amazing work man
Me: Haha Caber go boom
In all seriousness, demo probably needs a rebalance, mostly because sticky spam is actually garbage. Which is the main reason why I hardly use sticky launchers
I mean it can be worse with a pocket medic with crits or Uber and he's weapons have a lot of ammo
As a demo main, just know that I love the quickie bomb launcher not for sticky spam. But for sticky sniping, nothing is more satisfying than giving a sniper a taste of their own explosive medicine
I really like the jokes that you do. Especially the ones about the chat.
5:37 Poopy Joe is on the shoulder of the Donkey Kong with the yellow tie when introducing The Loose Cannon
I love how to use music in relation to the moment, that brings a genuine smile to see how he applies the themes well and that I don't know much about music
"Why demo is hate"
Meanwhile a Sniper one-shots me from across the map in 0.1 seconds.
Demo is way too op he denies logic you can just watch his reload animation and see
The power of a drunk scot.
@@skeletonking2501 it can’t be beat he is to powerful
Drunk
@@Akunai_ very
How dare you say that demopan is a meme, the pan has a 100 percent crit rate
I main demo and I have to admit it’s never really occurred to me that almost all of his melee unlocks are specifically for demoknight. I wonder if something could be designed that boosts his capabilities with pills and/or stickies.
Just give him a gunboat equivalent
The skullcutter used to be the popular choice but I think the speed reduction got added, I also remember seeing ullapol caber being used when it was first released even in competitive games. Now the stock bottle is fine, I'm not sure what else they could do.
@@TheDuckyDino yeah I could definitely see him with the gunboats, but it would probably be more balanced as a Primary slot item.
@@I_love_Grant_Fisher what if he had Pyro’s Homewrecker? He could two-shot all buildings and one-shot mini sentries - all while close range without having to take self-damage. He could even become a “Dem-bro” to Engies by destroying sappers. And, while the following would be a ridiculous gimmick, I’d find great amusement in seeing demoknights charging towards sentries and smashing them.
The skull cuter, kinda? Like it’s almost a straight upgrade
can't believe i heard someone unironically say ''some poor sniper''
Iron bomber helps make people more consistent, but it's not going to turn you into a pipe god like people think. You still have to play your range smart and lead shots properly or you're going to miss all the same. The rollers being good or bad depends on the geography of the area you're shooting. If it's more closed in then having a stock roller is more controllable and controls space longer
It does help you hit easier pipes, but it's not a bigger difference than like 3-4 per game, people blow it out of proportion, yes it needs to be fixed but it's not that huge of a problem
you robo rolled me with the background music.
One positive of the quickie launcher that I guess it takes from the scottish resistance is that thing where it breaks other stickies, making it really helpful in shutting down sticky traps that you don't want to just blow away instead
so are we going to go through every class saying it's hated?
People get salty about anything that can instakill them even though it really isn't that huge of a deal and there are ways you can often counter the instakills by not putting yourself in the position to be instakilled.
"demomains are fucking annoying and need to die"
>walks into pipes and does no counter strategy at all
"Demomains are op"
*me watching my teammates consistently falling for the same sticky trap and getting mad i won't heal them as they go through said sticky trap*
"not putting yourself in the position to be instakilled"
Badwater first red spawn, upward first red spawn, Borneo first red spawn, Borneo third blu spawn, cp_steel's full health pack room at C point where demos can place stickies above to kill people upstairs, etc etc
None of the places mentioned above are things a player could react to unless someone died first to tell their team. And that first person to die literally can't do anything about it to counter. Spawn camping one-exit spawn rooms/abusing map exploits to get easy instakills feels cheap to die to, which is what most people get mad about I suppose
@@VonSnuggles1412 Medic main?
@@agent3689 yup
I just noticed the background music in one section is Miror B's theme LES GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I see what you did there with the Base Jumper. Fitting.
When you equip the Quicky bomb launcher: hey look, I'm an altillery cannon
I mean it work...but like all weapon u can be counter
But I love the quicky bomb so I can't crap on it
Edit: fixed some misspelled words because aoto corrects a thing
@@deyontemyers4109 I want the quicky bomb launcher
Demo is, at least IMO, the most balanced class in the game. He is capable of dealing the damage of an atom bomb at mid range, and thrives in chokepoints. Good demomen are capable of doing well even in relatively open areas, but he is very vulnerable to being rushed by scouts and pyros. Due to him taking self-damage, if you get up in his face and have done enough damage to him he'll probably be, if not dead, clinging on for dear life. Good demomen try to prevent this from happening, but once you have him, there's a 99% chance that he's dead. He is also countered by Sniper, due to him not having long range, and Spy, due to the fact that coordinating pipes and stickies to their maximum potential takes a lot of practice and concentration. He's also very hard to play to his full effectiveness. Sure, stickyspamming is easy, but making full use of the stickybomb launcher's area control in combination with the raw damage output of pipes is genuinely difficult and something that most people are absolutely not able to do. Demo also takes a very long time to fully reload his 12 projectiles, meaning that he is vulnerable during this time. A smart player can make use of that and rush him when they've calculated that he's out of ammo. Demo without overheal also isn't as mobile as he can be, so sometimes he can be caught as a sitting duck. Demo is immensely powerful if used correctly, but there are significant weaknesses to his kit that decent players can exploit to consistently kill good demomen.
Now, keep in mind that I am a demoman main, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
2:16 I like how the bottle that the Demo dropped is standing straight as if it's a random part of the map
classic bottle challenge
Use short circuit at the beginning of the round to clear some sticky and quickly switch back to the class you wanted to play
Just played for the first ever; half of my time was spent having a great time, and the other half was dying to demo spam at spawn
How well did you do?
don't play dustbowl as a noob
@@Boldcheesecake1029 horribly lol
The trick on dustbowl is the spamming the short circuit. After that, rush demos as scout or pyro to put yourself at a major advantage.
as a Pyro, my complaining is often: "this guy has 12 chances to deal over 100 damage each, and I gotta slooowly close the gap to reach him to kill him.
3:16 we should make “shoot glass” a thing
This channel, this one right here, a hidden gem.
Pretty funny to here sensei’s theme in these videos.
You can’t use Sensi’s theme and expect me to pay attention while jamming out
Yesterday I saw someone who named their Loose Cannon Coconut Gun... and now here! I didn't know it was so widely thought of that way
12:22 I can’t even be that, since we can’t get the dangeresque too anymore
It sounds like we got rickrolled in the first bit of the video, not the actual case but it sounds like it.
Just you wait
czcams.com/video/LkZIwD58VnA/video.html
@@SpaceGuyOnline oh god
Funni demolitions man from team defense too
I never met this man nor ever heard of him but i unconditionally agree with him
The Scottish Resistance is so underrated. You can literally become a sniper without the need for a sightline. Just place traps in good spots,and the moment someone calls them out, ka-boom,dead. One time I was on Upward defense,and I was locking the enemy out by just putting stickies on walls and putting them back up on the walls. The best part about the SR is by far how unpopular it is. People don't expect me to have more stickies after I det.
didnt even die by stickies in the beginning actually crying
In all seriousness, base jumper is amazing for ruining hightower servers. Float above the enemy spawn doors and rain down stickies, racks up very quick killstreaks until they realize there’s a terrorist outside.
Demo isn't really a big problem (However, they should nerf the ease of the sticky launcher's reload to make it harder to spam) - the real problem is old maps. They're extremely cramped and filled with chock points without real flank routes. This makes demo just dominate any server in 99% of the cases. I remember I was just furious because of the class when I was a newbie who played on 2fort, goldrush, and dustbowl. However, the problem instantly disappeared as soon as I realized these maps are outdated s**t, and went to play on the decent ones.
the short circuit is basically for me, it was very overpowered on chokey maps but on open maps it is less of a problem
@@asdasf8817 Exactly. A lot of balance problems are born on the old poorly designed maps so better map rotation is the actual solution to many of them.
the sticky reload takes forever, it's fine
@@afinnishfishnet7366 Nah, just replace its hitboxes with Loose Cannon and it'll be fine.
@@afinnishfishnet7366 If you're talking about people who just mindlessly shoot the ground around their target, I've never had much problems with it - even a heavy can dodge the limited explosion if they have good reaction (telling from my experience as heavy main). Thus, other classes must have even less problems with it.
sensei's theme for the base jumper and sticky spam, nice choice
5:40 Bottom right is your monkey boy, hiding behind donkey kong
At this point, every class is hated, even the game itself
I don’t get the hate for demo, he’s my secondary main so of course I’d defend it but my MAIN is pyro, and I can still see why people find it annoying, but I’ve never had problems with demo, and he’s super fun to play.
@@legoperson4161 wait but demo sucks at close range. Why does being able to close the distance matter?
@@captainnomekop5056 Ive found he's really good at close distance, swords and shields paired with a grenade launcher and he's pretty dangerous if you're in his sight line. I always rush enemies with a shield and then deal knockback damage + pipe damage.
@@legoperson4161 well yeah hybrid knight is quite devastating at close range, (and my preferred play style for messing around) but I’m talking about stock because that’s what everyone seems to complain about.
demoknight is freakin annoying like if he has 4 heads then he can vulture your teams spawn if hes good enough and if he gets in any trouble hes basically untouchable
@@jakman8515 yeah but demoknight has so many counters I really don’t think it’s a problem.
Is Poopy Joe at 15:04 ?
Background, lying on the ground, below Zephaniah?
9:58 is that the ghost in the top of the roof?
About the Iron Bomber: don't forget that due to a glitch, it has an 800% increased hitbox size, making it literally eight times easier to aim than stock with no downside.
Honestly I don't like the scottish resistance even in defense because detonating all bombs at once without looking at them comes in handy more than you'd think not just for spam
3:40 did that crit pipe just bounce off the heavy and hit the spy directly?
Great stuff man! Keep it up!
is he?
Yes! Now I just want to see "why engineer is hated" (More one the turtling side of engie players).
Mini sentries on Hightower.
Ninjaneers in your spawn with frontier justice and guranteed crits
Another thing I'd like to mention is I don't play ctf, I really hate seeing turtling engies on cp, koth, and pl maps. Ctf is a different story.
This was a cool vid :) i like that you were very thorough on his roster of death-inducing armaments. Could we get a Scout one sometime too?
6:30 sensei's theme is extremely fitting when talking about spam
I am totally not first, don't let them lie to you.
In my personal experience, most of the Demoman kills i've gotten, or killed by, always felt like unfair as fuck.
Sticky spamming is one of the most effective, yet annoying things to fight agaisnt, and every demo man acknowledges this, leading to some annoying motherfuckers to deal with, even with a Pocket.
People complain about how Sniper has options to totally nulify his biggest weakness, but despite Demo being suposed to have this same disadvantage, he has FAR more options than Sniper and more reliable ones to live.
Sniper has the Jarate or SMG (if skilled enough) to counter one of the most (Or few) effective ways to take him out.
Demo, on the other hand, has:
The Loose Cannon, as a "Get out of me" or "Sticky Jumper 2"
The Quickiebomb Launcher, as a faster way to spam...
Scotsman Skullcutter, to buff him in what's suposed to be one of his weakness
The Eyelander, to give him even more window of landing his melee hits on targets that are likely to be damaged and get oneshoted, + giving him a speed AND health boost
The Sticky Jumper, as a "Get out of jail free" card
And any of his shields, as basically the same as the Sticky Jumper, but a lot more versatile in my perspective.
Demo counters a lot of shit
Heavies, Engineers, Medics, and Soldiers, but this last one is specific to Chokepoints or really closed areas.
Sniper, on the other hand, while being able to insta-kill anything, the skill needed to pull these consistently, or properly enough to even be considered a threat, is not even near the FUCKING LOW skill ceiling Demoman needs.
If i get killed by a Pipe, I don't feel cheated, I admire the prediction and aim of the Demoman that kills me.
If i get killed by a sticky trap, I feel it was totally my fault for being clueless and not expecting the Demoman of seeing me coming.
However, if I get killed with a brainless amount of stickyspam, any of the Swords with their janky hitboxes (Or with a crit of any melee weapon but that is conversation for another day) when trying to do what i'm suposed to do to counter Demos (...or snipers), I do feel like I didn't even had a chance to do anything, mostly when playing Engineer or Medic.
Demo is less overwhelming than Sniper from my perspective, but he's far more exploitable with a lower skill ceiling required to be more effective than a decent Sniper.
Love to all Demoman mains here that know how to aim their pipes! Mad respect for all of you.
FYI with damage falloff on rockets is that it's calculated based on how far away you are from the target
Sensei's theme right as demo starts parachuting, nice.
I don't understand why you think people using skill, aim and good positioning in return being rewarded with High damage is somehow unfair
No like I seriously don't get how most of this stuff is annoying
(Yes sticky spam is annoying but after the first death ya know he's there)
(Also demoknight? Just go engie... Or pyro...)
Edit:
Ok thinking back maybe I interpreted the point of the video Incorrectly but like I still believe he's making demo seem way more frustrating then he actually is in game.
nobody is saying that its unfair, its just extemely annoying
yes an immediately detonated sticky does like 60 damage?, doesnt kill anyone but its still annoying
but still, i think demo should never be NOT annoying since its kinda the spirit of demoman at this point one of the things that make tf2 tf2
The thing is that he has too many ways to deal insane damage with little effort and little penalty. Even with bad aim and positioning, he can put out insane numbers
@Dark Bowserjust like literally every class in the godamm game demoman can utilize certain "strategies" of which requires little to no skill from the user while being moderately effective. ALSO like every class In the game this is easily countered after the first kill. This isnt a giant issue nor is it really mean demo is not frustrating at all. What I'm saying is that like 90% of what this guy is saying is not even effective and easily countered. But yes sticky spam is frustrating.
No like Im not kidding EVERY class has something like this . this does not make demo so op!plz nerf??!!? and like all the other classes after your first death to them they're very easily countered.
@@achicken410 stickys maybe but please show me how a f2p can do big damage with the grenade launcher. May I add stickys take forever to reload and deal self damage and take time to arm so a bad demo is easily punished if they're caught out of position.
poopy joe is at 10:00 on the blue spawn roof and behind where the demoman appears
THE BEGINNING CLIP IS ALL HEAVIES
Damn, wasn't expecting Miror B in the background.
Just imagine the person to find poopy Joe is a yeti heavy main and will only make monke sounds.
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What i hate about demoknight is that you cant turn unless your using the tide turner
I wonder how many rounds took to get a heavy vs demon classwar round
SPACE THIS ALLITERATION IS MAKING WANT TO REACH INTO MY SCREEN AND STRANGLE YOU
Keep it up 👍
Loving the content mean! Keep it up!
Have you tried the winger and the back scatter? Great for getting behind people.
For future reference to anyone reading, it's pronounced "Claymore."
(Or technically more like "clay-dah-more," but we already have the word claymore in English from the same root. And I just want all of us to be able to pronounce the weapon, so I'm willing to make a small sacrifice for """accuracy"""" for the sake of utility. We did okay with L'Etranger, I think we can all come to an agreement on the Claidheamh Mor)