Alot of older cars are still sought after. However not many are sought after when the goal is for big hp build w the stock driveline the terminator can Def say that. They can compete with today's cars with their stock driveline just modified and updated to modern blower and supporting mods etc. That is incredible imo. Very few cars from 03 can say that. Some can most can't.
Calling an 03/04 Cobra overrated is like calling a 1967 GT500 overrated; are there more advanced mustangs nowadays? Of course; does that negate the fact that the two cars mentioned were some of the best cars of their time? Nope. The Cobra was and still is one of the nastiest street brawlers to ever come out of Detroit and that can’t be denied.
Most people that hate on Terminators dont own or never have owned one. As an owner, I can tell you that for me they are an ultimate mustang and still amazing 20 years later. And those new edges that throw shade are often emulating the look and always comparing their power to cobra power to show how great they are.. that’s my 2 cents..
Adam SVT you are correct, most of these guys NEVER own or been in a Terminator so they have NO idea what really is… we are talking about the Terminator 21 years later and still relevant and important 😂 if that is not a huge statement well they have no idea what they are missing. And can’t like it or not the Terminator will always keep their value and a GT will be just a GT.
@@javysvtcars9915 right.. not that a GT is a bad car.. we have a GT too.. but it's not on the same level as the Terminator.. and like you said.. 20 years later and people still talk about the car with reverence.
I’m sorry but what? Terminators rarely ever get hate everyone loves them and respects them, also how would a new edge gt owner ever talk smack? They couldn’t afford a terminator and got a 20 year old gt a cobra is literally the top trim level this makes no sense they have the much worse version of the car why would they talk crap they wish they could have a cobra??
COBRO here, my advice is buy a good driver unless you're willing to pay the premium for low miles. Until you have driven one you truly do not know how special they are
@badmpg i assume it doesn't have an engine bro based on what he said. If it still had a good terminator engine you could get 800 wheel cheaper modifying that but if it doesn't already have an engine that isn't the case. Terminator engines are expensive because they're rare.
@AdamSVT I'm a purist but at the same time if the car was destined to be a parts car and was saved and likely doesn't have an engine or maybe even a driveline period then the coyote makes more sense. They made more of them and they're cheaper than terminator engines because of it. In that situation I understand it and get it is much rather see one with a coyote than one being parted out. props for saving it to op
700whp here with a 2.3vmp on E85. for me with wasn't about chasing HP. for me it was the car, its history, low production and what it meant to me. I was 16 when they came out and was my dream car.
The cool thing is that they can compete with modern cars once you upgrade to a modern blower and supporting mods and even with stock blower they can be a handful with the right setup. They are impressive. Very few 2003 model cars you can buy and do such few mods to and compete with modern modified cars as well as these cars do. It's very impressive. They're ideal for the guy who prefers the older cars but still want to compete with more modern cars without having to totally change the driveline or upgrade the entire driveline. I have a gen3r 07 gt500 I love that damn thing I always loved terminators too. Never understood the hate between gt500 and cobra guys I love em both. They're basically the same car in alot of ways...they're also very different but built in the same vein.
@SN95Power I think the 2.3 tvs is the perfect blower for a 4.6. You can make 700 rwhp like he did with the right setup and they make insane torque and match well with a 4.6 great power curve.
Something different than KB and whipple at the time. also they seem to make more torque. just preference, I knew i wanted to be around 700whp@@SN95Power
@@SN95PowerFAR FROM OVERRATED LOL ARE YOU ON DRUGS LOL WELL LETS SEE BACK IN 03 WHEN THE COBRA CAME OUT IT DESTROYED ALMOST EVERYTHING ON THE STREET THAT IT ALSO PUT THE CAMARO AND TRANS AM OUT OF PRODUCTION AND THE MOTOR CAN HANDLE AS MUCH AS 1000HP AND EVEN IN 2024 THERE STILL KICKING AS AND MY 04 COBRA WITH JUST A CAT BACK AND A TUNE MADE 400HP AT THE TIRE AND FOR 03 THAT WAS CRAZY AND I HAVE A 08 GT500 AND A 07 AND 10 SUPERSNAKE AND I WOULDNT EVEN PUSH THEM AS FAR AS I COULD PUSH MY 04 COBRA ON STOCK INTERNALS TOO BE SAFE LOL THATS CRAZY TOO THINK AND HONESTLY YOUR JUST BEING A COBRA HATER BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE A KIACIN YOUR GARAGE.
Not overrated at all. You gotta look at the whole package of the car, not just straight line performance. You can build anything to beat anything but at the end of the day it will still be viewed as what it started out as. There is a prestige to owning and driving a Terminator that you just have to experience to understand.
Those groups are so dang toxic. I'm impressed that Ford decided to make something as potent as the Terminator that still turns heads and moves fast 20 years later. It's not like if you bought a vette or a Lambo decades ago and today a Corolla is faster... a Corolla's probably never gonna be faster than a Terminator.
2.9 whipple, fore fuel system + ID1050x and I’m at 694rwhp. Stock block, never opened. Probably should’ve been about 750rwhp but the tuner I used laid off the timing
I own an 03 cobra vert. Bought with 66k for 18k in 2020. I'm currently at 505/542 with a 2.76 pulley, fore level 1, 60s, intake, AF TB, full bassani exhaust, stifflers fit, etc... Car has fully built rear (FTBR 5001 kit, trutrac) and I'm about 30k into it. Whipple 2.3 going on in fall so after tune will put me at about 35k. I'll be at 640/600 whp/tq on 93 pump (over 700 on race gas...no e85 here). Overrated??? I don't think so. Cheap??? Absolutely not. Great video regardless. Stay up homie
@SN95Power. Nope. I check in on SVTP forums but that's it. Not really into social media thing. Quick edit... if you want to check the car out let me know and I'll email you some pictures.
Overrated... No. Overpriced... Maybe. If you chasing hp, a gen 2 coyote with a blower can be bought cheaper and have the same hp limits. My opinion is most people buying a terminator today are not buying it to chase numbers.
@@SN95Powerthe engine can take alot of power. The Trans needs a 26 spline input and a good clutch and the irs needs attention for big power but the engine can take alot. 700-800 easy and can be pushed to 1000 on turbo setups like gen 2 and 3 coyotes...the rarity of them and now the age of them is driving up cost losing the bang for buck factor they once had. They don't reign supreme there anymore like they used to. Now there are other cars with better bang for the buck performance capabilities wise but that doesn't mean they're overrated its just how it worked out with a limited production car that isn't getting any younger.
I agree with you. They can compete with modern cars on stock driveline but the age and rarity drives up price so bang for buck is no longer in the terminators corner. In their day there was no better bang for the buck from the time they were new all the way till prices went nuts during covid. These cars rose and they aren't going back down. They're too old and too rare...there is a reason they hold such strong value though.
The rarity and the demand for them keeps prices high. At the price they cost today they don't make sense vs modifying a 97 cobra if that's what you already have. 10 years ago that wasn't the case. Bang for buck is no longer with the terminator. They've moved into collector car territory not good for the guy who just wants bang for buck performance.
I think the reason people have an issue with the Terminator is the price they are going for. In Canada they can go from 35k-50k which is nuts for a 20 year old car that cost less than that when it was new . I’ve seen rebuild title Terminators going for 28k
I own the 2003 Terminator. Bought it new with 15 miles on it. Had a 2001 GT before it. Believe me, it is not overrated. At 21 years old and only a few bolt on's it is still a beast. Ask the scag packs and hellcats that try me 😂
Would love to have a 03-04 Cobra, it's like you said it's a bucket list car, that being said they are way out of my price range, that is why I have a 04 GT. No they are not overrated just overpriced, they changed how bowties owners hate the all mustangs.
I don't think the 03-04 Cobra is overrated, it's a car that changed the game and it put the other manufacturers on notice. It made them get back to the R&D department and step their game up.
I had a 04 fire red. Got it with 89,000 miles on it mostly stock just intake, pulley , and exhaust made 456/445 on dyno. By the time I got rid of the vehicle, it had 135,000 miles completely stock motor. Never took a valve covers off making 706/664 with a 2.3 vmp tvs, 3lb lower I forgot the size of the upper pulley , return fuel system and id1000s from lethal performance on E85 , exhaust, intake, vmp throttle body inlet and that’s about it back in 2016. The car took the power like a champ never had an issue besides the stock alternator, but that’s another story lol I vouch for the terminator all day
Not overrated just a factory supercharged car worth collecting. You have to remember the Mustang was slacking in HP in comparison to the non-supercharged challengers and they only made these 2 years. What gets me is when people collect them and rag them out like its 2003 racing 2020's supercharged/turbo'd cars. ijs. Collect em.
Terminator’s are my dream cars because of there “underdog” story making 400hp outta factory is just the perk. These cars on a factory engine can make 600+ hp with the ported eaton combos which is just so cool in my opinion especially when you put into perspective its from 03-04 great video keep’em coming
Obviously, they are getting expensive. They were cheap once, and now they're coming very close to GT500s. But, the terminator beat everything on the market in the day. It deserves the credit. The first real fbo'd 1000hp motor. LS6s had NOTHING on em. Supra who? Firebird- what now? Terminator ate it up on the street. And, it was a good track weapon too.
@@SN95Power Yeah. Ironically, I'd say this thing jumpstarted the hp war. A lot of people say its the GT500 gen3, but I dont think the youngings were there when these cars pulled up at the car meets. All eyes on SVT. This thing would pull up next to a C5 Z06 and it would win the crowd.
Think about it, only 2 years and didn’t make a lot of them. They are far from underrated. Problem here is that many of them been wrecked and some exported. To us the Terminator is our Godzilla to Japan.
Want 800 wheel? Whipple, Return Style Fuel System, SCT MAF, Injectors, Clutch, Bigger Alternator, E85 will get you there. However, you better address that rear end before it goes kaboom.
I have 03 cobra,13 boss and 89 coupe. The coupe I drive often now. 03 cobra my favorite 8000 mile. The boss is just what it says the boss.38000 miles. I would not pick one over the other each one means something different to me. So I would just to each is own. I like the three pack. But now I want the Mach 1. Never had an auto. 10sp sounds good since I'm now in mid 50s. Nice video
I've driven the MT-82 and enjoyed it. Pretty sure the car would be a lot quicker if I didn't shift it. Their are a couple of s550 Mach1's in my area and they sound great.
I have the white delrin bushings, with maximum motorsports coilovers, and g force half shafts , and a in trunk stabilizer bar. She squats and goes with tire on.
Great and excellent unbiased and factual video. I love Cobras, SVT or Shelby and at the end of the day paying a premium price for these original cars is your choice, but you can definitely build a GT of the same era SN95 for far less expense than buying an SVT "Terminator" Cobra today. But it will never be a Cobra. Like anything in life, for the right deal I'll buy a 03-04 SVT Cobra, but not looking to over pay for them at all. Overrated?? Not at all, they are beautiful and powerful street beasts of their era and the best and last of the SVT Cobras.
@SN95Power definitely appreciated brother I'm very happy with my termi as a matter of fact coming home tonight from my family's house a cammed ctsv pulled along side me on the highway and asked to be walked lol 😆 and I gladly obliged 3rd gear 50mph ... 🐍 not bad for a pullied un ported 20+year old car wouldn't trade my sn95 for the world brother...
People that don’t have em usually want to say this, hale no they are not over rated they paved the way and are still relevant and whippin azz still, not hype
I love my Terminator. It's really apples to oranges to any other Mustang or car in my opinion. I definitely wouldn't buy one if all I was concerned about was hp per dollar. There are definitely better options if you want all out, straight line performance. Mine is sitting at 840 hp at the wheels. 3.0 whipple, Lethal fuel system, 25 psi on E85. Stock crank and rods in a Teksid block with 10:1 Wiseco pistons.
03/04 cobra was easily the best bang for you buck and the most superior mustang made until the Boss S197 and S550 came out. I still like 2v, pushrod, GT500, and gen1 coyotes mustangs but 03/04 cobra is imo the best out of all of them.
I paid 23k 6 years ago for mine 42k mile car . It has 78k now . Ported Eaton ,kenne bell bell or whipple , the older blowers and nitrous will get you real close if not more that 800 hp Me … I’m poor a/f my dream set up would be nitrous and a kb 2.6 . I want to pray mine more than get a bigger blower These cars are 20 years
@@SN95Power I wanted another 93 cobra , gt500 0r c5 all out of my budget . I did spend 4k going across the country to get mine so mine cost me 27k . I just love the 03-04 cobra and it is great platform to make 800-1k. Hp I may never get above 600 🤣🤣
15 years ago it was the car too have and people were racing them more than they are now. the high price and collectable nature most people dont wanna destroy them. Also the cheap turbo kits were not readily available back then like they are now. think about it most Z06 vettes or Zr1s are on collector duty and lower price models become more mod cars than the high end units. kinda like cobras and 2 valves.
04 Cobra Owner here.....started out with fox bodies....even had a REAL SALEEN 153 white on white with white wheels saleen fox with the vortech.....nasty and I was the shit with it....had a 04 Mystic Vert Cobra....sold it now have a STUPID 04 Silver Cobra lowered on chrome 17 x9 upfront and 17x10.5 outback borla stingers...x pipe, longtube.....as far as power that is PRIVATE lol.....I will say there is no other AMERICAN car named or called the AMERICAN SUPRA only the 0304 cobra has that name....what people dont know, this is the FIRST REAL HELLCAT....plz do your research you will see.....regarding 2v stangs etc, not being funny no 1 cares......if you have a 0304 you are simply the shit....does not matter what other stang you have, this car truly is the benchmark....this car is still kick n ass 20 years later...
Two things. The groups are ridiculous. You are right that more than half of the people are not helpful. But that's the internet.. Second. I had a 2002 roush and it was awesome. Side exhaust sounded great, fun car. I recently got an 03 cobra vert for a great price. South fl everything is expensive. The cobra is a completely different car. It literally makes me laugh when the boost comes in. Sounds awesome with the top down. I got one because I drooled over every magazine when they came out. I don't like the term cobro or termi haha if someone needs help, I'm more than happy to do so. When I post. I'm under the car, lost, hot and aggravating. I just want help and not from 20 year old forums haha it's sad when people answer with "hit it with your purse" or "tell me you're poor without..." Anyway, drive a terminator man and you won't care what people think 😂
@@R0ckGT390 Hit it with your purse is a new one😂. I believe in enjoying what you have. It's amazing that the Cobra is still a contender in this modern HP war. Congratulations to you on your purchasing.
@SN95Power someone asked about removing the ball joints, which uou know is tough. Someone said hit it with your purse 😅 ridiculous! And thank you!!! It's a modest cruiser, 444 to the wheels. Not fast but makes all the right noises!
If anything, based upon the video content that it CURRENTLY gets, it’s extremely underrated. More and more people want a modern luxury car experience that doesn’t require a lot of effort to drive. It’s no more overrated than a 1968 GT500.
Compared to the coyote and the cars being put out by dodge.. I think it is overrated. I am actually looking to buy a terminator soon but I will not pay 30-40k. Ive seen some as low as 17k still. I will pay the least amount because its an old ass car now. you have to expect that something is wrong or will go wrong. I would rather pay the least amount and use the rest of the money to build it my way.
E55AMG is cool to do burnouts and maybe some highway pulls but it’s not a platform that’s good for racing at all. Stock motor/blower cobras can run 9s for pennies on the dollar compared to the Benz.
Its the opppsite if anything its underrated. All the coyote guys look at it as "inferior" when the terminator has better rods than even the gen 2 and 3 coyotes do. The coyotes are sintered forged which isnt the same as forged. Terminators can hold as much as gen 3 coyotes at least if not more the stock bottom end record is like 1400 wheel or something insane like that ive seen guys racing them at the drag strip over 1100 rwhp w turbo setups before the gen 1 coyote even came out. Most people outside of the terminator fanboys dont give them nearly the credit they deserve. They started the modern hp wars and made it possible for cars like the hellcat, zr1, zl1, ctsv, etc to exist later on to today. Even the gt500 was the succesor of it. Basically the newer terminator. Gt500 also paved the way for all those cars. 07 gt500 owner chiming in.
The only thing that makes them really worth it in my humble opinion is the forged bottom end from factory other than that its just a new edge with Mark viii motor and irs diff 😂. I more in to mn12 Thunderbirds with similar irs diffs
@@SN95Power true that, enough motor from factory to remove the factory supercharger, slap on a turbo and have a 700hp beast, turnt up or combined with bolt-ons they can easily achieve 1xxxhp numbers. They were the hellcats of their day, and took the horsepower war to chevy's and dodge's doorstep
Overrated? IMO, no. Not now and definitely not when they came out. They are still relevant muscle cars…can make 800 + hp fairly easily with the stock motor and stock transmission , which even after all these years , in 2024 , is impressive. But I think a lot of new guys wanting to get into Cobras quickly realize they can go faster , easier with an A10 Coyote. which leads to this question a lot.
Overrated my ass! Stock engine to stock engine it will still out boost the Hellcat! And no the hellcat didn’t start this boost dynasty the Terminator did! And the Shelby of 07-14 were before the Hellcat also so all dodge did was TRY TO CATCHUP !!!
Very special car especially for the time and still can be a competitor today. I had one for a few years along with a couple gt's. They just don't compare to the feel of a real terminator. Steering feel, handling, and of course the power it makes. Lets not forget seats etc. Really make it feel special. To me it was the last of the lightweight fox chassis base cars and with so much power it was just insane to drive. The later gt500s were for sure amazing by far but much heavier so the weight difference was a big bummer for me. I like the more beer can feel of the new edge better myself 😂
@@SN95Power very similar feel with the power delivery but so different feeling due to the platform. Hope you can get experience one to compare. Especially since you are a sn owner I think you would be surprised at the differences.
Terminators ARE overrated! The last car show I went to, I am absolutely NOT exaggerating, there were over 60 Terminators! How freaking special is that? Had you shown up in your round body, I swear people would have been flocking to YOUR car instead!
Who spends $40k on a 20yo ford? There’s just something’s not right about that. Would you spend $40k on a 10yo ford? I mean, it’s not like it’s a Ford GT. It’s a mustang. And I think that’s the problem with some people. At the end of the day it’s just a mustang. At the end of the day, it’s just an old car that NEEDS to be driven.
Far from overrated. The Terminator was ahead of its time . The fact that the Terminator is still sought after after 20 plus years speaks volumes
Indeed
Alot of older cars are still sought after. However not many are sought after when the goal is for big hp build w the stock driveline the terminator can Def say that. They can compete with today's cars with their stock driveline just modified and updated to modern blower and supporting mods etc. That is incredible imo. Very few cars from 03 can say that. Some can most can't.
It’s one of the most Iconic Mustangs ever made. And a huge game changer. The 03-04 Cobra set the bar and everyone chased it. I would Love to have one.
It’s on my list also
Calling an 03/04 Cobra overrated is like calling a 1967 GT500 overrated; are there more advanced mustangs nowadays? Of course; does that negate the fact that the two cars mentioned were some of the best cars of their time? Nope. The Cobra was and still is one of the nastiest street brawlers to ever come out of Detroit and that can’t be denied.
I’ve owned two z06’s, two terminators, one s550 5.0 and multiple f bodies. No the 03/04 cobra is not overrated. They are awesome.
Most people that hate on Terminators dont own or never have owned one. As an owner, I can tell you that for me they are an ultimate mustang and still amazing 20 years later.
And those new edges that throw shade are often emulating the look and always comparing their power to cobra power to show how great they are.. that’s my 2 cents..
Definitely top of my Mustang list. I love the newer tech but something about a raw Mustang
Adam SVT you are correct, most of these guys NEVER own or been in a Terminator so they have NO idea what really is… we are talking about the Terminator 21 years later and still relevant and important 😂 if that is not a huge statement well they have no idea what they are missing. And can’t like it or not the Terminator will always keep their value and a GT will be just a GT.
@@javysvtcars9915 right.. not that a GT is a bad car.. we have a GT too.. but it's not on the same level as the Terminator.. and like you said.. 20 years later and people still talk about the car with reverence.
I have a built new edge and I wish to God I had a Terminator. Spec sheets don't do them justice but their status as legendary mustangs is legit
I’m sorry but what? Terminators rarely ever get hate everyone loves them and respects them, also how would a new edge gt owner ever talk smack? They couldn’t afford a terminator and got a 20 year old gt a cobra is literally the top trim level this makes no sense they have the much worse version of the car why would they talk crap they wish they could have a cobra??
The 03 and 04 Cobras started the modern horsepower wars, just like the GTO started the little car big engine craze in the 60's
Absolutely
The E55 did 😅
Exactly!
The Cobra is definitely a bucket list car for me as well. Great video and thank you very much for the plug!
COBRO here, my advice is buy a good driver unless you're willing to pay the premium for low miles. Until you have driven one you truly do not know how special they are
I’m going to reach out to a couple of people and see if I can do a review on one
@@SN95Power Hopefully it's one that's modded. I have just a little whipple 2.3, it's making 650/600
Saved an 03 Cobra from being a parts car. Putting a gen 2 coyote with a 2020 GT500 blower on it to hit that 800hp on E85. Dream car since high school.
Great job saving i! Even though some purists might be upset, I think that's a great combo. Going subscribe for when you get some vids of it up.
That’s it right there. A lot of us dreamed about this car when we were younger. Now that we are grown with money, it’s obtainable.
@badmpg i assume it doesn't have an engine bro based on what he said. If it still had a good terminator engine you could get 800 wheel cheaper modifying that but if it doesn't already have an engine that isn't the case. Terminator engines are expensive because they're rare.
@AdamSVT I'm a purist but at the same time if the car was destined to be a parts car and was saved and likely doesn't have an engine or maybe even a driveline period then the coyote makes more sense. They made more of them and they're cheaper than terminator engines because of it. In that situation I understand it and get it is much rather see one with a coyote than one being parted out. props for saving it to op
@@midnight347not really , teksid blocks are cheap and everywhere.
700whp here with a 2.3vmp on E85. for me with wasn't about chasing HP. for me it was the car, its history, low production and what it meant to me. I was 16 when they came out and was my dream car.
Why did you choose vmp over the others
The cool thing is that they can compete with modern cars once you upgrade to a modern blower and supporting mods and even with stock blower they can be a handful with the right setup. They are impressive. Very few 2003 model cars you can buy and do such few mods to and compete with modern modified cars as well as these cars do. It's very impressive. They're ideal for the guy who prefers the older cars but still want to compete with more modern cars without having to totally change the driveline or upgrade the entire driveline. I have a gen3r 07 gt500 I love that damn thing I always loved terminators too. Never understood the hate between gt500 and cobra guys I love em both. They're basically the same car in alot of ways...they're also very different but built in the same vein.
@SN95Power I think the 2.3 tvs is the perfect blower for a 4.6. You can make 700 rwhp like he did with the right setup and they make insane torque and match well with a 4.6 great power curve.
Something different than KB and whipple at the time. also they seem to make more torque. just preference, I knew i wanted to be around 700whp@@SN95Power
@@SN95PowerFAR FROM OVERRATED LOL ARE YOU ON DRUGS LOL WELL LETS SEE BACK IN 03 WHEN THE COBRA CAME OUT IT DESTROYED ALMOST EVERYTHING ON THE STREET THAT IT ALSO PUT THE CAMARO AND TRANS AM OUT OF PRODUCTION AND THE MOTOR CAN HANDLE AS MUCH AS 1000HP AND EVEN IN 2024 THERE STILL KICKING AS AND MY 04 COBRA WITH JUST A CAT BACK AND A TUNE MADE 400HP AT THE TIRE AND FOR 03 THAT WAS CRAZY AND I HAVE A 08 GT500 AND A 07 AND 10 SUPERSNAKE AND I WOULDNT EVEN PUSH THEM AS FAR AS I COULD PUSH MY 04 COBRA ON STOCK INTERNALS TOO BE SAFE LOL THATS CRAZY TOO THINK AND HONESTLY YOUR JUST BEING A COBRA HATER BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE A KIACIN YOUR GARAGE.
Not overrated at all. You gotta look at the whole package of the car, not just straight line performance. You can build anything to beat anything but at the end of the day it will still be viewed as what it started out as. There is a prestige to owning and driving a Terminator that you just have to experience to understand.
Those groups are so dang toxic.
I'm impressed that Ford decided to make something as potent as the Terminator that still turns heads and moves fast 20 years later. It's not like if you bought a vette or a Lambo decades ago and today a Corolla is faster... a Corolla's probably never gonna be faster than a Terminator.
I use to love C4 corvettes. Still like the cockpit design of interior.
Everyone loves the 03/04 termi
2.9 whipple, fore fuel system + ID1050x and I’m at 694rwhp. Stock block, never opened. Probably should’ve been about 750rwhp but the tuner I used laid off the timing
I own an 03 cobra vert. Bought with 66k for 18k in 2020. I'm currently at 505/542 with a 2.76 pulley, fore level 1, 60s, intake, AF TB, full bassani exhaust, stifflers fit, etc... Car has fully built rear (FTBR 5001 kit, trutrac) and I'm about 30k into it. Whipple 2.3 going on in fall so after tune will put me at about 35k. I'll be at 640/600 whp/tq on 93 pump (over 700 on race gas...no e85 here). Overrated??? I don't think so. Cheap??? Absolutely not. Great video regardless. Stay up homie
Are you on any of the FB groups
@SN95Power. Nope. I check in on SVTP forums but that's it. Not really into social media thing. Quick edit... if you want to check the car out let me know and I'll email you some pictures.
Overrated... No. Overpriced... Maybe. If you chasing hp, a gen 2 coyote with a blower can be bought cheaper and have the same hp limits. My opinion is most people buying a terminator today are not buying it to chase numbers.
I honestly think some people clout chase when buying a Terminator over the capabilities of the car
@@SN95Powerthe engine can take alot of power. The Trans needs a 26 spline input and a good clutch and the irs needs attention for big power but the engine can take alot. 700-800 easy and can be pushed to 1000 on turbo setups like gen 2 and 3 coyotes...the rarity of them and now the age of them is driving up cost losing the bang for buck factor they once had. They don't reign supreme there anymore like they used to. Now there are other cars with better bang for the buck performance capabilities wise but that doesn't mean they're overrated its just how it worked out with a limited production car that isn't getting any younger.
I agree with you. They can compete with modern cars on stock driveline but the age and rarity drives up price so bang for buck is no longer in the terminators corner. In their day there was no better bang for the buck from the time they were new all the way till prices went nuts during covid. These cars rose and they aren't going back down. They're too old and too rare...there is a reason they hold such strong value though.
@@SN95PowerI WILL ALSO SAY ASIDE FROM MY 93 COBRA LOL THE 0304 COBRAS ARE GOING TOO BE BIG BUCKS IN THE FUTURE AND I WILL PUT MY LIFE ON THAT.
@@anthonylaudano9435 No doubt
At this point I feel like dropping 30-40 for one is a lot for what I’m getting. I rather put that money on my 97 Cobra and keep enjoying it.
Can definitely build it to be better
The rarity and the demand for them keeps prices high. At the price they cost today they don't make sense vs modifying a 97 cobra if that's what you already have. 10 years ago that wasn't the case. Bang for buck is no longer with the terminator. They've moved into collector car territory not good for the guy who just wants bang for buck performance.
I think the reason people have an issue with the Terminator is the price they are going for.
In Canada they can go from 35k-50k which is nuts for a 20 year old car that cost less than that when it was new . I’ve seen rebuild title Terminators going for 28k
Far from overrated. If anything it’s one of the greats. It was the first production mustang to come from the factory with a supercharger.
It set the trend
I own the 2003 Terminator. Bought it new with 15 miles on it. Had a 2001 GT before it. Believe me, it is not overrated. At 21 years old and only a few bolt on's it is still a beast. Ask the scag packs and hellcats that try me 😂
Would love to have a 03-04 Cobra, it's like you said it's a bucket list car, that being said they are way out of my
price range, that is why I have a 04 GT. No they are not overrated just overpriced, they changed how bowties
owners hate the all mustangs.
I think 20’s are fair. 30’s and 40’s is too much for me
Not over priced tbh they are worth it
I don't think the 03-04 Cobra is overrated, it's a car that changed the game and it put the other manufacturers on notice. It made them get back to the R&D department and step their game up.
Definitely not over rated. Still a street menace till this day.
I had a 04 fire red. Got it with 89,000 miles on it mostly stock just intake, pulley , and exhaust made 456/445 on dyno.
By the time I got rid of the vehicle, it had 135,000 miles completely stock motor. Never took a valve covers off making 706/664 with a 2.3 vmp tvs, 3lb lower I forgot the size of the upper pulley , return fuel system and id1000s from lethal performance on E85 , exhaust, intake, vmp throttle body inlet and that’s about it back in 2016. The car took the power like a champ never had an issue besides the stock alternator, but that’s another story lol I vouch for the terminator all day
One of the greatest motors Ford build. Why did you choose VMP over Whipple
Not overrated at all, one of the best Mustangs ever made, ever.
Not overrated just a factory supercharged car worth collecting. You have to remember the Mustang was slacking in HP in comparison to the non-supercharged challengers and they only made these 2 years. What gets me is when people collect them and rag them out like its 2003 racing 2020's supercharged/turbo'd cars. ijs. Collect em.
Terminator’s are my dream cars because of there “underdog” story making 400hp outta factory is just the perk. These cars on a factory engine can make 600+ hp with the ported eaton combos which is just so cool in my opinion especially when you put into perspective its from 03-04 great video keep’em coming
Obviously, they are getting expensive. They were cheap once, and now they're coming very close to GT500s. But, the terminator beat everything on the market in the day. It deserves the credit. The first real fbo'd 1000hp motor. LS6s had NOTHING on em. Supra who? Firebird- what now? Terminator ate it up on the street. And, it was a good track weapon too.
Great multi purpose car
@@SN95Power Yeah. Ironically, I'd say this thing jumpstarted the hp war. A lot of people say its the GT500 gen3, but I dont think the youngings were there when these cars pulled up at the car meets. All eyes on SVT. This thing would pull up next to a C5 Z06 and it would win the crowd.
Think about it, only 2 years and didn’t make a lot of them. They are far from underrated. Problem here is that many of them been wrecked and some exported. To us the Terminator is our Godzilla to Japan.
It’s a bucket list car for me.
Fit to Finish the Terminator is the greatest mustang ever.
Can't knock that
stroker block, kb 2.8, headers, return fuel system...lots more but you get the gist
When you are ready to get one, hit me up. May be willing to part with mine. 65 years old, getting hard to get in and out of. 😂
Want 800 wheel? Whipple, Return Style Fuel System, SCT MAF, Injectors, Clutch, Bigger Alternator, E85 will get you there. However, you better address that rear end before it goes kaboom.
I have 03 cobra,13 boss and 89 coupe. The coupe I drive often
now. 03 cobra my favorite 8000 mile. The boss is just what it says the boss.38000 miles. I would not pick one over the other each one means something different to me. So I would just to each is own. I like the three pack. But now I want the Mach 1. Never had an auto. 10sp sounds good since I'm now in mid 50s. Nice video
I've driven the MT-82 and enjoyed it. Pretty sure the car would be a lot quicker if I didn't shift it. Their are a couple of s550 Mach1's in my area and they sound great.
U do great videos thank u for ur time n efforts. Much appreciated
I'm trying but I do appreciate you supporting.
Yeah not overrated. First mustang ever supercharged. Its our generation elenor. The Terminator.
712 hp here with a Gen 5 3.0 whipple , fore fuel system and exaust on 93 octane with boostane
That’s gotta be a blast
Any suspension work? My vert gets some decent wheel hop at 450.
I have the white delrin bushings, with maximum motorsports coilovers, and g force half shafts , and a in trunk stabilizer bar. She squats and goes with tire on.
Great and excellent unbiased and factual video. I love Cobras, SVT or Shelby and at the end of the day paying a premium price for these original cars is your choice, but you can definitely build a GT of the same era SN95 for far less expense than buying an SVT "Terminator" Cobra today. But it will never be a Cobra. Like anything in life, for the right deal I'll buy a 03-04 SVT Cobra, but not looking to over pay for them at all. Overrated?? Not at all, they are beautiful and powerful street beasts of their era and the best and last of the SVT Cobras.
Definitely checking this one out I'm here brother.. 🐍
You’re a subject matter expert in this. Went from a Mach1 to a Terminator
@SN95Power definitely appreciated brother I'm very happy with my termi as a matter of fact coming home tonight from my family's house a cammed ctsv pulled along side me on the highway and asked to be walked lol 😆 and I gladly obliged 3rd gear 50mph ... 🐍 not bad for a pullied un ported 20+year old car wouldn't trade my sn95 for the world brother...
People that don’t have em usually want to say this, hale no they are not over rated they paved the way and are still relevant and whippin azz still, not hype
I love my Terminator. It's really apples to oranges to any other Mustang or car in my opinion. I definitely wouldn't buy one if all I was concerned about was hp per dollar. There are definitely better options if you want all out, straight line performance. Mine is sitting at 840 hp at the wheels. 3.0 whipple, Lethal fuel system, 25 psi on E85. Stock crank and rods in a Teksid block with 10:1 Wiseco pistons.
03/04 cobra was easily the best bang for you buck and the most superior mustang made until the Boss S197 and S550 came out. I still like 2v, pushrod, GT500, and gen1 coyotes mustangs but 03/04 cobra is imo the best out of all of them.
They were 18" CCW rims. I think he's gone to a different setup now.
I paid 23k 6 years ago for mine 42k mile car . It has 78k now .
Ported Eaton ,kenne bell bell or whipple , the older blowers and nitrous will get you real close if not more that 800 hp
Me … I’m poor a/f my dream set up would be nitrous and a kb 2.6 .
I want to pray mine more than get a bigger blower
These cars are 20 years
You already ahead of the game. If prices keep going up, I doubt I'll have one. I really love them but 30k is too much imo.
@@SN95Power I wanted another 93 cobra , gt500 0r c5 all out of my budget .
I did spend 4k going across the country to get mine so mine cost me 27k .
I just love the 03-04 cobra and it is great platform to make 800-1k. Hp I may never get above 600 🤣🤣
Have had my 03 for 10 years making 500hp it is my every day car. The only thing to go wrong with it in that time is the fuel pressure sensor.
These mod motors are so reliable
Marauder owner here
I love all mustangs, I would own a 03-04 if given the opportunity!! I own an S197 Shelby!! That’s always gonna be a bucket list car!!❤️❤️❤️❤️
You already own one supercharged Cobra, grab another one.
@@SN95Power my wife ( Carla) is going to divorce me,, she’s already telling me I love that car more than her!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 No can do💀
15 years ago it was the car too have and people were racing them more than they are now. the high price and collectable nature most people dont wanna destroy them. Also the cheap turbo kits were not readily available back then like they are now. think about it most Z06 vettes or Zr1s are on collector duty and lower price models become more mod cars than the high end units. kinda like cobras and 2 valves.
04 Cobra Owner here.....started out with fox bodies....even had a REAL SALEEN 153 white on white with white wheels saleen fox with the vortech.....nasty and I was the shit with it....had a 04 Mystic Vert Cobra....sold it now have a STUPID 04 Silver Cobra lowered on chrome 17 x9 upfront and 17x10.5 outback borla stingers...x pipe, longtube.....as far as power that is PRIVATE lol.....I will say there is no other AMERICAN car named or called the AMERICAN SUPRA only the 0304 cobra has that name....what people dont know, this is the FIRST REAL HELLCAT....plz do your research you will see.....regarding 2v stangs etc, not being funny no 1 cares......if you have a 0304 you are simply the shit....does not matter what other stang you have, this car truly is the benchmark....this car is still kick n ass 20 years later...
No its a legendary mustang but people think its the only good new edge and its very annoying
Great stuff
Two things. The groups are ridiculous. You are right that more than half of the people are not helpful. But that's the internet..
Second. I had a 2002 roush and it was awesome. Side exhaust sounded great, fun car. I recently got an 03 cobra vert for a great price. South fl everything is expensive.
The cobra is a completely different car. It literally makes me laugh when the boost comes in. Sounds awesome with the top down. I got one because I drooled over every magazine when they came out.
I don't like the term cobro or termi haha if someone needs help, I'm more than happy to do so. When I post. I'm under the car, lost, hot and aggravating. I just want help and not from 20 year old forums haha it's sad when people answer with "hit it with your purse" or "tell me you're poor without..."
Anyway, drive a terminator man and you won't care what people think 😂
@@R0ckGT390 Hit it with your purse is a new one😂. I believe in enjoying what you have. It's amazing that the Cobra is still a contender in this modern HP war. Congratulations to you on your purchasing.
@SN95Power someone asked about removing the ball joints, which uou know is tough. Someone said hit it with your purse 😅 ridiculous!
And thank you!!! It's a modest cruiser, 444 to the wheels. Not fast but makes all the right noises!
If anything, based upon the video content that it CURRENTLY gets, it’s extremely underrated. More and more people want a modern luxury car experience that doesn’t require a lot of effort to drive.
It’s no more overrated than a 1968 GT500.
paid 15k for my cobra in 2012. 4k in used blower and parts it runs 10s.
Compared to the coyote and the cars being put out by dodge.. I think it is overrated. I am actually looking to buy a terminator soon but I will not pay 30-40k. Ive seen some as low as 17k still. I will pay the least amount because its an old ass car now. you have to expect that something is wrong or will go wrong. I would rather pay the least amount and use the rest of the money to build it my way.
30-40k is too much imo
Not overrated!!
No, supercharged V8 in the 2000's the only car you could not beat was a Mercedes-Benz E series V8 and I am not a mustang/Ford fan
Didn't know that. Thanks for dropping some knowledge
E55AMG is cool to do burnouts and maybe some highway pulls but it’s not a platform that’s good for racing at all. Stock motor/blower cobras can run 9s for pennies on the dollar compared to the Benz.
Its the opppsite if anything its underrated. All the coyote guys look at it as "inferior" when the terminator has better rods than even the gen 2 and 3 coyotes do. The coyotes are sintered forged which isnt the same as forged. Terminators can hold as much as gen 3 coyotes at least if not more the stock bottom end record is like 1400 wheel or something insane like that ive seen guys racing them at the drag strip over 1100 rwhp w turbo setups before the gen 1 coyote even came out. Most people outside of the terminator fanboys dont give them nearly the credit they deserve. They started the modern hp wars and made it possible for cars like the hellcat, zr1, zl1, ctsv, etc to exist later on to today. Even the gt500 was the succesor of it. Basically the newer terminator. Gt500 also paved the way for all those cars. 07 gt500 owner chiming in.
Every generation Mustang after the Termination had a supercharger option. You’re absolutely correct. Even made the other guys change their formula
Nah bruh. Still killing in the streets.
The only thing that makes them really worth it in my humble opinion is the forged bottom end from factory other than that its just a new edge with Mark viii motor and irs diff 😂. I more in to mn12 Thunderbirds with similar irs diffs
Can’t deny how overbuilt that motor was.
@@SN95Power true that, enough motor from factory to remove the factory supercharger, slap on a turbo and have a 700hp beast, turnt up or combined with bolt-ons they can easily achieve 1xxxhp numbers. They were the hellcats of their day, and took the horsepower war to chevy's and dodge's doorstep
Overrated? IMO, no. Not now and definitely not when they came out. They are still relevant muscle cars…can make 800 + hp fairly easily with the stock motor and stock transmission , which even after all these years , in 2024 , is impressive. But I think a lot of new guys wanting to get into Cobras quickly realize they can go faster , easier with an A10 Coyote. which leads to this question a lot.
I definitely don’t think they are overrated but like you said, you can coyote build if all you want is performance.
Overrated my ass! Stock engine to stock engine it will still out boost the Hellcat! And no the hellcat didn’t start this boost dynasty the Terminator did! And the Shelby of 07-14 were before the Hellcat also so all dodge did was TRY TO CATCHUP !!!
Every generation Mustang after the SN95 had a supercharged model. They set the trend
Everytime you see a video on a 2003 Mach 1 somebody has to bring up the fact that the Terminator was better. So, yeh it's definitely overrated.
Hey now, don't be hatin' on my SN95 and New Edge group!! Or my Terminators... lol
Best form of entertainment you can find😂
Just the title of this video is extremely disrespectful
Very special car especially for the time and still can be a competitor today. I had one for a few years along with a couple gt's. They just don't compare to the feel of a real terminator. Steering feel, handling, and of course the power it makes. Lets not forget seats etc. Really make it feel special. To me it was the last of the lightweight fox chassis base cars and with so much power it was just insane to drive. The later gt500s were for sure amazing by far but much heavier so the weight difference was a big bummer for me. I like the more beer can feel of the new edge better myself 😂
I’ve driven a GT500 but never a Terminator.
@@SN95Power very similar feel with the power delivery but so different feeling due to the platform. Hope you can get experience one to compare. Especially since you are a sn owner I think you would be surprised at the differences.
F bodies were running way fast than 13.9
I terminators for running faster than that
Terminators ARE overrated! The last car show I went to, I am absolutely NOT exaggerating, there were over 60 Terminators! How freaking special is that? Had you shown up in your round body, I swear people would have been flocking to YOUR car instead!
That’s just how popular those Terminators are.
I went to Fabulous Fords in California and it was the most Terminators I ever see in one spot.
Who spends $40k on a 20yo ford? There’s just something’s not right about that. Would you spend $40k on a 10yo ford? I mean, it’s not like it’s a Ford GT. It’s a mustang. And I think that’s the problem with some people. At the end of the day it’s just a mustang. At the end of the day, it’s just an old car that NEEDS to be driven.
That’s the only problem I have with some Cobra owners. They refuse to think their Cobra isn’t a mustang 😄
Hey bud, had to stop the video, your voice is low and your clips are incredibly loud
Appreciate the feedback, been struggling finding the right audio levels. Your feedback helps.
Clickbait at its finest
Swing and a miss.
😂😂😂. Gasss he gon
The title of this video, ALONE, is the reason not to watch it!!!!!
LMFAOOOO, no. 03/04 Cobra is legendary to this day.